/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8266436
I never finished it. I like the music though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5AZERT4UmU

I like all 3 games in the series a lot, it's hard to pick a favorite, especially since anyway it's not a series with a billion games like dragon quest or final fantasy.
Mother 1 is the most basic, actual Dragon Quest clone (Mother 2 and 3 implemented more unique things like the rolling HP meter and the combo system), but it does have something unique too, which is the giant interconnected world map. There is no "overworld map" and then sub-maps with the towns, like most other RPGs, Mother 1 goes all out and you seamlessly go from one town to another, traversing large fields, all in the same map for the majority of the game. That's fucking impressive, especially considering it's an 8-bit RPG.
Also don't forget to give a listen to the Mother Music Revisited album released earlier this year by Keiichi Suzuki, it's amazing.

Mother 1 is OK by the standards of NES RPGs. It's primitive and frustrating, but it has worthwhile elements. But Mother 2 is almost a complete upgrade and improved basically everything about it.

Also, I'm interested in knowing how they pulled off the overworld on the NES hardware? Does it have transitions somewhere?

>>8266462
>Does it have transitions somewhere?
as far as i know the entire overworld is connected barring dungeons/magicant/mt.itoi

This shit filtered me. Save file's probably long gone (stopped a little after Magicant ), so I'll have to do another run sometime

>>8266474
That mad truck really is mad. You can use ninten's asthma-curing item anyway, or, at level 14 Ninten learns 4th D Slip, which lets you escape any battle 100% at the cost of 16PP.
The game really does give you all the tools you need in order to overcome anything.

>>8266436
Is the 25th Anniversary Restoration Hack good? Sounds pretty good to me at least.

>>8266672
>rapes the Peanuts-esque character design
No.

>>8266462
>But Mother 2 is almost a complete upgrade and improved basically everything about it.
except story, setting, characters, difficulty

>>8266436
Best game in the series

Very charming. Also the only Mother game I've completed multiple times.
Recently played it with the recent Mother Restored hack, which overall might be the definitive version of it.

>>8266436
Story-wise, it's my favorite game of the trilogy. I like the game's somewhat unsettling and retro-futuristic atmosphere. Playing it feels like a trip back to my childhood, when I imagined about going on an adventure with other kids in town, searching for UFOs, meeting aliens and so on. That atmosphere is probably because of the game's monochrome textboxes and battle screen, as well as the tiny, comic-like characters sprites in a vast, seamlessly connected world map. It has a number of flaws though, such as the high encounter rate, insane difficulty, stupid fast travel method and limited inventory.
It's an dated and frustrating game, replaying it is a pain in the ass, but if someone is really in retro RPGs, I'd recommend him to try it.

>>8266672
nah, i'd say only play it if you want to replay M1 but want a slightly different experience

>>8266774
i like using the motherbound version since the colored text boxes look pretty and keeps some of the localized names but restores everything else

>>8266797
holy shit that looks fucking horrible

>>8266797
SOVL/SOVLESS

I like the game, it's awesome. It's not the best NES/FC RPG for me but it's still pretty unique and even mysterious in a way

>>8266436
I complained about it a lot while playing for the first time, mostly re: the encounter rates, the size of the characters relative to the screen, and the fact that there are a lot of open places on the map that really lead nowhere and that you're not "supposed to" go to but can easily waste time in because it initially seems like you should (ex. the hills or whatever that span literally the whole game if you end up getting on top of them and following the path). But I still had a lot of fun throughout, and especially once I got to the climax and it felt like everything was falling into place.

The music was great and the story's intriguing. Ana's abilities were fun. Something about the atmosphere just really grabbed me right from the beginning and I played through it all blind over a few days.

I think I'd also like EarthBound but haven't tried it yet beyond the first major town a while ago. I know too much about the ending etc. just through osmosis, but it still seems cool. I think the first game just felt more accessible to me somehow from the beginning, maybe because they don't throw as much story at you at first and you slowly figure things out as you progress. What I've played of Mother 3 is way worse about this.

I want to replay the first game soon because I think I might actually have more fun with it now that I know what to do + to prepare myself for attempting EarthBound for real.

>>8266797
The map is nice but holy fuck did they ruin everything else.

>>8266436
The beginning was incredible. The music, the atmosphere, the enemies, the writing. Then you do the whole factory and it's a pain. The encounter rate and difficulty starts to become way, way too much to put up with.
All in all it has some terrific aspects, but the negative sides unfortunately outweighs its brilliance to the point it's barely playable.

>>8269085
Agree on the Duncan Factory being a boring pain and 100% being the dungeon most drop the game over. Also I missed hearing Pollyanna on the overworld.

Best atmosphere of the series by far

>>8266436
I finished it a couple years back. It's definitely aged, but it's still a pretty comfy game.

i wish Giegue got a clay model like everyone else

>>8266436
25th Anniversary Edition ROM Hack makes it far more tolerable, but there's barely a reason to play it anyways. A lot of the roots of what made EarthBound and Mother 3 so great are there, but the game itself just isn't nearly as fun or exciting as either of them. It's okay for NES RPG standards, and I respect the Hell out of it for starting a great series, but it's not much to go back to nowadays.

>>8266474
The fucking truck filtered me too. I think I save scummed my way through it, and still ended up giving up some time after Magicant. I’ll put it on my list of shit to get back to that I will never, ever get back to.

>>8266436
It's personally my favorite as well but I love all 3 Mother games.

Also, the composer of the Mother 1 vocal album did a remix album a while back where he sung all of the songs himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9Duqi-F4s

>>8266797
Whew... that, I daresay, is LOOKIN' MOTHERFUDGIN GOOD.

>>8271570
Good lord that is a huge step down from the original album.

>>8271584
>getting filtered by SOUL engrish

>>8271592
Okay man you can pretend that if you want.

>>8266760
Yes

>>8266436
Its got a huge amount of soul
https://youtu.be/yQUN7QAnMp0

>>8266797
Why the fuck would someone make this? if you're going to remake the graphics wouldn't you use 16bit at least? What were they thinking?

Was Teddy a pedophile?

Played this in superior nihongo recently. It's a great game with some slogs here and there.

Great NES RPG with lots of charm. Some of the dungeons are real mazes though like the Duncan Factory, the haunted house in Halloween and Mt. Holy Loly.
Best part is when you get to Easter and get the teleport PSI so you can just Onyx Hook back and forth to heal/store and such super efficiently.

>>8271862
t. seething loidcuck

>>8271862
No.
Projecting?

>>8271039
i find it way more comfy compared to the other two personally

>>8266436
It allows more sequence breaking, is more difficult, and restrains its presentation and story so that it still has that unique atmosphere, but doesn't reach the pretentious levels of Earthbound.

Reminder that the second official Pollyanna collaboration manga is out, japanese only though AND THE FIRST ONE STILL ISN'T SCANNED ANYWHERE REEEEEEEE
https://www.1101.com/mother_project/items/book_pollyanna2.html

Also there was a japanese poll asking questions about the Mother games but I can't read jap so I don't know what most of these are
https://www.1101.com/n/s/mother_enquete2021/2021-10-05.html

>>8272315
Didn't LLoyd's decedents save the world of Mother 2 and 3?

>>8272548
We're on 4chan how am I projecting? Its already a given

>>8266436
It nails the contemporary American setting way better than its sequels

>>8266436

>game about childhood
>doesn't have gay sex

dropped

>>8275406
How'd the transition going?

>>8274813
There's no canonical proof that anyone in Mother 2 and 3 is connected to the characters of the first game. (the obvious exception being Giygas, who, in Mother 2/Earthbound is the same Giygas from the first Mother.) This means Ninten, Lloyd, Ana and Teddy. Ness, Jeff, and Paula have no connection to them. Really the only link is antagonists: Giygas returns in Mother 2, but not in Mother 3, where Porky returns from Mother 2. The games really don't have much connection besides this between them, in spite of the tribute to the first two games present at one point in Mother 3.

>>8274813
Mother 1 takes place only ten years before earthbound. The games would be entirely separate if not for the clumsy giygas connection

>>8266436
It's unplayable without an improvement patch (NOT this >>8266797).

Overall, I think it's insane to prefer it over Earthbound, which is more full, varied, and sincere on every level. That doesn't make Mother bad, and 8-bit games have their own appeal, but it's obvious we got Itoi's true vision on the SNES.

>>8276032
Yeah I think it's pointless and autistic to try and timeline these games together. Itoi wasn't trying to create a shared universe, he's just making a gesture to his previous works.

>>8271039
That's a lot of shitty opinions.
>recommends bad hack when there are multiple hacks which undo its mistakes while keeping the improvements
>needs "a reason" to play a game
>better games exist, so don't play this one

>>8276169
>muh improvement patch
It's perfectly playable without the easy ring, you barely need to do any grinding anyway.

>>8276205
>>8276169
Earthbound fans really fucking hate Mother for some reason. Like pathological hatred.

>>8277618
The easy ring patch isn't fucking needed at all since the game has barely any grinding as long as you play smart and use your PSI right. Buffs make you invincible and you can run away from any fight that would be a problem pretty early on.

>>8266436
always found it to be real comfy, even the grinding. just somethin ya can put on and zone out to. plus, bein able to sequence break makes it stand out imo. though i do tend to use a map for some of the dungeons.

>>8272315
based
fuck lloyd
weak sissy white boy
pic related just finished the game with him being told to fuck off

>>8277691
>not beating the game with pippi
ngmi
I wish there was a way to do that without hacks, if we ever get a remake I hope it adds MORE sequence breaking unlike the shitty fan remake that's removing all of the sequence breaking

>>8276191
Agreed, but I don't think Giygas returning as the villain from 1 to 2, nor Porky returning as the villain from 2 to 3, can be merely called a "gesture." The gesture would be the tribute of Mother 1 and 2 in Mother 3.

But the main villains returning meant he wanted gamers in Japan to feel a sense of continuity. It absolutely is the same universe, it's just that we don't know how Porky got from the world of Mother 2 to Mother 3. (and it's not actually important, as you said.) For Mother 2 it's more clear that Giygas simply returned and wasn't defeated yet.

I think trying to go more in-depth and connect the games beyond what they already give people is where it gets autistic, but I understand some speculation to an extent. (for instance, I agree with the theory that at one point Giygas was going to actually make an appearance in Mother 3. There's unused backgrounds for the final battle with Claus where he's all distorted in much the same manner Giygas was in 2. It's guess-work to say they planned Giygas to be the final battle with him or something, but there's evidence to substantiate that this was a scrapped idea.)

>>8270940
We know it would've ruined things a bit.
The point of the Mother games was that the aliens were rarely, if ever, taken as a joke. They were always the serious component. Only "joke" example I could think of is maybe the department store mook.

>>8277668
Just be glad the western version made some of the dungeons shorter and less of a pain like the magicant one

>>8278508
I wonder if the Pippibro who was training her to reach level 99 is still around.

I wish lloyd's flamethrower didn't have a chance of breaking. laser and plasma beams are fine since you can buy them, but grinding BB gang members sucks.

Even if the games are loosely connected I still wonder when itoi was making the sequel why Ninten wasn't reused as the mc in mother 2/earthbound instead of creating an entirely new character. Was it because itoi wanted to start fresh since EB is basically a reskin of mother 1 (with some tweaks of course) and dumped the MCs of the latter? I don't see what was necessarily wrong with Ninten as a character, and of course there's little to no mention of him in the sequels, even though giegue said he and Ninten would meet again in the first game. Maybe I'm overthinking it but it always puzzled me.

>>8280971
I have strong suspicion/head canon that Ninten is an older Buzzbuzz. Starman Jr even claims he is "no longer a hero".

20 years after M1 (10 after M2), Giygas invades again by corrupting the minds of humans via its psychic abilities and the evil in mankinds hearts. Not wanting to be weakened by emotions like he was in M1, he traveled into the anchient past before humans existed to fufill this task. Shit goes bad in 200X, the survivors learn of the prophecy from the past of those who can defeat Giygas (because time loop nonsense since by going in the past to defeat Giygas, the M2 kids started the legend). Andonuts transfers Nintens mind to a machine body (buzzbuzz), so he can go back in time and find the kid this prophecy is about (who is maybe already dead during this 2nd invasion)

And then obviously M3 takes place during/after this bad future where the last uncorrupted humans wiped their minds of the old world and started a new society, until time traveling dick bag fattie used alien tech to not only come to the future, but the original "bad" future.

>>8280967
You can grind for them before you recruit Teddy to get so many that they'll last most of the ending section.
>>8280971
Itoi wanted the game to stand on its own so that those hadn't played the previous game would be able to still understand the story. He has said before that one interpretation is that it's even the same characters from the first game, which feels strange now but I imagine some people in Japan may have interpreted it like that.

>>8280990
Hmm interesting, I always assumed/had a headcanon that after giegue left earth and got more powerful he came back and killed Ninten and the others because he thought the apple of enlightenment's prophecy was about them, but it turns out it wasn't

>>8266436
I finished mother 1 in English summer of 2000 after I graduated HS. I've still yet to finish mother 2.

Someone inserted tomato translation of mother gba to the nes version. Might replay it for the better music and higher resolution

>>8283662
I think this is probably the best way to play it.

>>8281550
This is crazy good, although I wish the Ninten sprite looked more like the actual sprite in the game. Still, amazing.
Also Pippi <3

>>8283662
Yeah, that's Mother Restored. Pretty much the best of all worlds when it comes to playing Mother now.

Thoughts on this fangame? I remember reading they were gonna add extra content/change the story but I wonder how much that'll affect the overall original plot.

>>8285473
I'm pretty interested in it. Same with Mother Squared whenever that comes out, along with Oddity.

>>8266436
It's not as good outside of its original compositions, which go on to be some of the best in the 2nd game too. Anyone saying Mother 1 is better is purely contrarian.

>>8285473
Nice idea but reeks of schizo gender-thing infighting, 3 flavors of development creep, and never-ever like all the other Earthbound fandom projects. Based and Chad Tobyfox for actually making something.

>>8285635
>Mother 4/Oddity

>>8285473
looks pretty nice, honestly im just happy ppl are actually making mother fangames after so many years of Cogdis and the Halloween Hack being the only complete ones
stuff like Mother Russia, Beyond Bounds (or its old name Porkys Galactic Strike) looks fuckin great, i just hope they all dont die off like every other oen

>>8285473
Apparently they're removing sequence breaking and the non-linearity which is one of the main reasons to like Mother 1.

>>8285780
Mother Russia dev posted on /v/ a few times, he's based

>>8285780
I hope Mother Russia gets finished.

>>8286119
really now? that's good to hear cuz the games discord is gone and the mother forever forums got nuked so i had no idea if it was even alive anymore

>>8266436
When I was furloughed due to COVID, I finally had all the free time in the world and self loathing needed to complete the game. I'm very happy to be able to say I've played the entire Mother trilogy, but the first game is shit. Earthbound had enough combat gimmicks to be its own thing, but Mother 1 is literally "Haha, Dragon Quest, but Peanuts characters". Even the script doesn't quite have the charm of Earthbound and Mother 3, not to mention all the sneezing NPCs outright disincentivize you from talking to people

>>8285652
>>8285780
What is it about mother fangames that makes them rarely if ever be completed and released in a timely fashion?>>8271570
>>8266470
That outfit is my favorite for ninten, I'm a big sucker for the bandana too.
Which one is your favorite?

>>8286663
>all the sneezing NPCs outright disincentivize you from talking to people
thats only in one town in the entire game though

>>8286653
>discord gone
probably a good thing since those always end up becoming shit. Never heard of the Mother Forever forums, what happened there?

>>8286746
one of the main runners of mother forever had a mental breakdown and deleted the the forums completely,
this happened out of the blue so there's no archive of them and they currently cant afford to set up a new forum, sucks cuz there was some fun conversations on there

>>8266436
It's a fun game and I enjoyed playing it but it's not the best game in the series. It's not a bad game by any means though.

>>8286663
>charm of Earthbound and Mother 3
I never saw the charm of mother 3. The whole appeal of the first two games is that it takes place in a modern American style setting, and mother 3 throws that out the window by making it take place on some fantasy island instead. I couldn't give a shit about the new characters since it lost the appeal of being about four kids going on a grand adventure and just became 2 adults, a kid, and a dog. Also you can't just fucking unceremoniously kill off the main cast of the last game who we grew to know and love and expect us to suddenly care about these new characters. Lastly if you take away the Franklin badge, Mr Saturns, and Dr a donuts, you just have a completely unrelated "overthrowing a totalitarian dictator" story, which has no connection to the first 2 mother games.
Long story short it's shit and doesn't deserve to be fellated to the extent that it is

>>8288061
>you just have a completely unrelated "overthrowing a totalitarian dictator" story, which has no connection to the first 2 mother games.
It doesn't need to have a connection (even though it clearly has a connection with Mother 2, and has references and enemies from Mother 1 that Mother 2 didn't have), that's just you imposing some made-up standard of what makes a good game or not. Itoi never cared about if Mother 3 had the same themes or setting as the first 2 games or not. But they clearly do because it's the man behind the first 2 games anyway, so the theme is still very similar (invasion, this time it's not aliens but that doesn't matter, it doesn't need to be about aliens).
>it's shit
Meh opinion.

>>8266436
Best atmosphere, music and soul.

If there was one aspect/plotline you wish the game could've expanded upon what would it be? Since now that I think about it mother 1 is pretty short compared to it's sequels

>>8288556
Pippi and Teddy are my fav Mother characters, so I'd like more of both.

I've never played any Mother game and I want to play the original.

>>8288627
do it man, it's a great game.

playing it for the first time now
it's pretty cool, i always liked Japanese takes on Americana
the encounter rate is weird and feels glitched, often you'll get a whole bunch at once and then none for a while
pretty challenging right out of the gate but if you train a bunch outside your house before adventuring you'll be ok

>>8288556
The Garrickson's baby, he has the significance of a major plot character but he only really exists to teach you how to warp. And who the hell did he grow up to be?

>>8288664
I never got why they changed the cross gravestones into whatever those things are. Would people really be that pissed at Christian symbols that are all over the place and common in western society being used in a game that's meant to take place in the west?

>>8288894
>satan in kid's media BAD
>showing kids religious themes and morals through their media... also BAD
Don't even try to understand murricans.

>>8288929
Christian soccer moms scared the shit out of big companies back then so they just removed anything referencing religion so they couldn't find anything to get mad about. I don't remember if Mother 2 had any crosses removed from its western version, pic related is probably the biggest piece of censorship from 2.

>>8288929
>>8288941
In Japan, americans are stereotyped as people who will sue you for anything they can. One of the guys who designed Final Fight explained on Twitter that Poison and Roxy were originally designed as women and that's how he thought of them, but they decided to back up by stating that they were newhalves because they'd heard rumours about american feminists potentially sueing them for violence against women, this was when Final Fight was released on arcades in USA.

>>8288061
I THINK, the idea of M3, intentional or not, only works if you played the first two games or at least Earthbound. The way that the story progresses and the Nowhere Islands forcibly become recreated/modernized into a suburban setting of M1 and M2 by Porky trying to recreate the world he is familiar with in a place and time that tried to distance itself from the old world (more so if we believe the likely scenario that M3 takes place after the bad future of EarthBound which Leder seems to imply with humanity looking for a fresh reset to materialism and the things of modern human living that generated the evil inside of people that Giygas was able to manipulate)

The idea is this is a completely separate setting and world view, but its forcibly being transformed into the familiar setting of Earthbound, even if done in a distorted, fucked up way. I think there is a bit of theming of not wanting to let go of the past, as visibly seen through Porky with his modernization efforts, his museum of EB crap and the movie theater and maybe even reflected in Lucas/Flint with the loss of their mother/wife and brother/son.

tl,dr: M3 doesnt really stand up to the style of game as the first 2, but it kinda works as a sequel if you are familiar with those games, but doesn't "feel" like what you think a Mother game to be.

>>8266462
>Also, I'm interested in knowing how they pulled off the overworld on the NES hardware? Does it have transitions somewhere?

The only thing that's amazing about it is the fact that it has diagonal scrolling, something that is quite a feat to pull on NES especially this smoothly, and in 1989 too. Otherwise it looks just like any overworld in any RPG. It's just scrolling, graphical data is loaded as required. You don't need transitions, because you don't need to load the entire world in the RAM for it to work, you just load the next piece, piece by piece. If they have a big world if it just means they allocated a big part of the ROM for that.

I tried Earthbound twice and I couldn't get into it. I found it extremely boring.

Should I give the original a chance? I do like the NES more than the SNES.

>>8289169
>Otherwise it looks just like any overworld in any RPG.
Most if not all other RPGs have the overworld map, and the characters are giant in relation to the other things on the map (for example in DQ, the size of the character sprites on the map are the same size as mountains or trees.)
You also have a small graphical representation of the towns, castles or dungeons/caves, and then you enter the individual town or whatever map with the scaling be more accurate in relation to the character sprite sizes.
Mother 1 is a seamless giant map for about 70% or so of the game, the character sprites are more or less in proportion with everything around them so it feels bigger than other RPGs.
Mother 2 and 3 used interconnected smaller maps instead, no real overworld map.

>>8289176
>Mother 1 is a seamless giant map for about 70% or so of the game

Yeah but that's just art direction, wether the perspective is correct or not doesn't have a huge impact on how they would store and load the graphical data. Once you got the scrolling down Super Mario Bros 3 could very well be one giant continuous game, cutting it in levels is due to conventions and convienence, not technical restraints

Mother having a perspective correct overworld rather than sticking with RPG standards was a smart move on their part though, it does make the world feel bigger and more real

>>8289209
The main thing is that the game doesn't load different maps for the town, so it really is bigger than other RPG overworld maps, because it includes the towns altogether in it.

>>8289173
both games are pretty good but i prefer 1 more then 2 so yea play it. but do what >>8266804 said and use the motherbound hack, thats the best version of the game

>>8288664
>often you'll get a whole bunch at once and then none for a while
thats how i felt too, i didnt mind it though since i liked exploring around

>>8288632
i wonder where all these models are now

>>8288556
i wouldve loved to see more of Giegue and Maria honestly, that and Teddy

>>8289238
Itoi tried sticking most up his own ass.

>>8288061
>Also you can't just fucking unceremoniously kill off the main cast of the last game who we grew to know and love and expect us to suddenly care about these new characters.
i love mother 3 but this was honestly the only part of it that bugged me, the fact that it implies that Ninten/NEss' work was all for nothing because humans fucked up everything was complete dogshit, if anything the whole charm of the other games was how humans where coming together to help. hell even the ending of earthbound literally had everyone you know praying for your safety
honestly i just like to imagine that M3 takes place in an alternate universe separate from 1/2

>>8289245
There's a shitload of them though, as soon as he'd open his mouth one would fall out like a pez candy from a dispenser

>>8288941
>I don't remember if Mother 2 had any crosses removed from its western version
funnily enough, it did, but it was the red cross. just didn't wanna get sued ig but they left johnny b goode in so yeah idk

>>8288941
We almost had naked Ness but we were robbed anyway

>>8289587
I like how he's happy in the US proto.

>>8289257
it does, its in the original timeline buzzbuzz came from to the past to warn ness. the games outright imply this between eb and m3- giygas manipulated the evil in humanity which weakened the world for the starmens invasion- unless Tomato fucked up the translation, Leder in m3 says how the world was fucked up by humanity and the survivors left for the last safe place in the world and wiped their memories of the old world. if thats all just some coincidence that none of those plot points were intended to line up, then itoi is a genius retard.

>>8289639
They are 100% unrelated. You have clearly missed the entirety of M3's message

>>8289641
explain it then. literally this is stuff said/heavily implied in the games, unless the localizations are completely fucked. (no idea what Eb64 plot was)

>>8289646
Nothing to do with giygas/aliens or their influence are mentioned, referenced or implied in M3 in any way, in either the Japanese original or Mato's translation.

>>8289639
>>8289646
based schizoposter

>>8266450
DQ is based on Hydlide and it had a giant interconnected map with dungeons. People in to "retro" who don't know Hydlide is what needs to be referenced when it came to the OG JRPG template need to be fucking shot. That means you, bub.

>>8289680
>turn-based rpg is based on action rpg

>>8289658
Not talking about M3, i meant it in EarthBound, it is 100% confirmed that Giygas is manipulating humanity from the past via the evil inside them.

In Mother 3, Leder says something along the lines of humanity going bad or some shit which heavily sounds exactly like what Giygas was causing in EarthBound and you already saw the start of with the crazy shit people were doing in that game and the very intro of EB shows it eventually ended with an alien invasion.

There were survivors of this madness that went and relocated to the Nowhere Islands and wiped their memories of the old world and restarted in a peaceful, simple life with nature until Porky showed up and started reintroducing the modern world back to them and the emotional burden modern living brings with it (the shit that caused humans to have lingering hate in them in the first place).

M3's own freaking logo with the wood and metal shows this contrast between the two ways of life, you see how the npcs change as modern living is introduced to the once simple farm people, you have the removed final boss fight with the heavy Giygas undertones implying it was because of Porky's actions that it reintroduced some type of evil in at least one person that it could manipulate in some way, even more so if this is the same timeline where Giygas already fucked up the world from the distant past.

>>8289693
Yeah, it never outright says "ALIENS DID IT", but all the pieces are there that if you played all 3 games, there is a clear series of events that make sense when connected to each other, unless like i said it was an absolute complete coincidence that so much of the games refer to each other, but was never intentional and it really is some retarded thing where it actually does take place after the "good" ending of Earthbound rather then the future Buzzbuzz mentions, but that seems too retarded of a decision on Itoi's part when he already clearly established in the game prior to M3 time-travel and being able to change the future and there existing a fucked up version of the world.

>>8270940
Here's your giegue model

>>8289693
Thematically this has always been one of my favorite concepts of the series. After preserving the human race in the first two games it is ultimately humanity that destroys itself as badly, or even possibly worse, then the aliens. While the corrupt nature of many of the adults in the first two games is obviously very comical it also represents what will ultimately destroy us. Despite that it also doesn't have a pessimistic message, but that while we may very well destroy ourselves it's still worth trying to preserve as best as we can for those that matter us.

Excuse the autism. I haven't been as crazy into the series as I've become older but going through these threads every so often and I remember just how sincere these games feel, and why I think the series has such a strong appeal.

>>8266689
This.

>>8289690

>>8289872
>Ghibli edit pic
This whole post reminded me of when I was reading the end of the nausicaä manga, and if anything Lucas pulling the final needle reminded me of nausicaä destroying the crypt.
Except that Lucas didn't commit genocide in the process like she did

>>8289587
us is better

>>8289938
Yeah US proto is better. Final is shit though, didn't even make a custom sprite they just re-used the pajama one which doesn't even have his hat which ruins the joke

>>8289918
Itoi knew Miyazaki personally, befote the Mother series he was known for riding the tag lines to several of his films.

>>8290230
He also played the dad in my neighbor totoro

>>8289680
>DQ is based on Hydlide
You're a dumb nigger. DQ's own creator has said time and time again that it started out as condensed Wizardry + Ultima designed for a home console.

>>8289906

>>8286669
for me its the novel design "Ken"

>>8289587
they stole his smile bros...

DRUGS IN MY VIDEOS GAMES????
BAN THIS SICK FILTH!!!

>>8291153
He was originally gonna get a massage, I wonder why they changed that

>>8291259
Probably didn't want to bother animating it

>>8291127
Oh yeah I was reading about that version of Ninten in another thread, the novel adaptations of the games seemed pretty out there from what I've read about them

>>8292658
I wonder if they'll ever get translated

>>8293598
Funnily enough the person who did the art in >>8291127 is translating them, but I dunno when she'll release it

>>8290183
no hat + messy hair is kino

>>8281550
comfort levels are through the roof with this one

>>8288992
That shit always gets me because these days it would drive feminists even more crazy that you're being violent to trans women.

>>8286669
>What is it about mother fangames that makes them rarely if ever be completed and released in a timely fashion
I mean these are just people with ambitious ideas throwing things out there, I don't typically expect fans to endevoar to complete polished games to completion completely for free. We have Oddity and a handful of remake projects that were never really that needed or necessary to begin with. It's good that Oddity is not going to be a Mother game at this point, it's ideal that it's just inspired and doing its own thing more now. I get how much fans love the games but I think the first three games can be left well enough alone, barring the translation of Mother 3, the translation patch from Tomato that improves Mother 1, and the patch that removes censorship from Mother 2. (known as "Maternalbound," this patch wasn't made by Tomato but actually uses his translation guide from "Legends of Localization" to optimize the uncensored and more accurately translated text.)

I don't see myself actually playing a total fan remake all the way through. It seems to defeat the point. Being inspired by the games is another matter; which is why I think indie developers like the people who made Lisa have the right idea. Isn't an entirely new game so much more interesting than a romhack or another remake?

>>8296076
Yes to all this. Also why use someone elses work instead of your own ip that could become its own popular thing?

Plus not having to deal with Nintendo lawyers.

>>8296083
>that could become its own popular thing?
I have a feeling that's all down to a stroke of luck

https://youtu.be/HvfsPzldsO0
https://youtu.be/8N7wWckPR5s
https://youtu.be/Z1WRhcvSPzY
I always enjoyed this guy's mother animations/art, too bad he's abandoned them and just does deltashit now

>>8296134
Probably because western twitter trannies got mad at him because he drew some slightly lewd lucas art on pixiv (wasn't even NSFW)

>>8288894
>>8288929
>>8288941
>christians don't want their faith trivialized for the sake of an electronic toy
wow i'm so mad

>>8289872
itoi is a commie lol

>>8289680
The poster you replied to never said Mother was the only game to do it, though.
Maybe stop avatarfagging, or go back to your home board instead of trying to fit in on /vr/.

>>8296780
But Mother 3 is explicitly anti-authoritarian.
Not even sure if Itoi ever stated what his political views are, but he sure isn't a commie, a nazi, or anything like that.

>>8287217
trust me, it wasn't just a mental breakdown, more an entire fucking seasons worth of just orangeisborange turning himself into the mother fandom's biggest lolcow in recent history

Cool NES RPG but Duncan factory can eat my ass, they went overboard, definitely. Fuck playing that dungeon without a map.

>>8297159
I got every single present without a map. Acquire proficiency.

>>8297250
I did too it only took me a whole fucking gaming session, never again will I engage with this maddening padding, if I replay, I will follow a map.

>>8297082
shouldnt you be in your safespace?

>>8296393
No that was a year ago or so, he abandoned mother once deltarune ch.2 came out.
But still he shouldn't have apologized for liking shotas, it's none of their business what he likes

>>8266436
Is there a translation for this game and if so which one should I get, or should I play the US prototype? or is there a ROM of the virtual console one that can be used on NES emulators?

>>8288664
doesn't running increase the encounter rate?

>>8297546
Just play the GBA version with the prototype translation

>>8297546
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5923/

This is the NES version with Tomato's more accurate script, this is absolutely the definitive way to play the game.
>>8297652
No.

>>8297546
>>8298594
with mato's translation*

>>8266436
It's one of the games that left the deepest impact on me. I retardedly played Mother 3 first, then went on to Mother 1 and Earthbound, so it was a big step back in terms of mechanics.
Despite that, Mother just felt more special than the others, and it's hard to explain why. It's just the vibe of it. Despite the bullshit mechanics, the story and characters feel more grounded, and the music is the best in the series. Some of the best in vidya history, even

>>8296076
So you're saying that people should give up on making mother fangames?

So what's your favorite song from the mother soundtrack? For me it's Bein' Friends
https://youtu.be/YSshQu9rQLc

>>8300437
Has to be Pollyanna.

>>8300437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y36t1LOEdM

>find teammate at the school
>grind him to lvl 11-12
>go back to the big factory up north
>he's still just dead weight, only used to Guard and get himself healed by the main character
>keeps fainting anyway

am I doing something wrong or this how the game is? am I supposed to have another character at this point? Do I need this useless shit alive to see the blue rocket I found in the factory before I got him?

>>8297652
running isn't actually running
it just runs the game at a faster speed
NPC animations speeding up is the giveaway

>>8291259
Maybe because inducing a trippy dream/hallucination via massage makes no fucking sense.

>>8300880
Lloyd is pretty shit yeah, I forget how early you can get Ana but I think you need to get past Duncan's factory first.

>>8301051
I figured what I was doing wrong. When I first got to Duncan I had no money so I didn't buy any armor; and then completely forgot about it and didn't want to backtrack.

When back there and I had enough money to buy the best coins, rings, and a pendant each. Now the game's a joke!

>>8297043
He clearly finds coastal libtards insufferable.

>>8301061
>Duncan

I mean Magicant.

>>8301061
>>8301067
Yeah equipment is strong in Mother 1. Be sure to abuse PSI as well since it's stupidly strong, buffs DOUBLE the stat you buff so using defense up once is enough to make you invincible most fights. If you end up against a really hard random encounter use 4th d-slip to get the fuck out.

>>8266436
I think that the sequel was inferior in some aspects like lowering the difficulty too much and making the game too linear. Aside from those issues earthbound is a better game than mother.

>>8301172
>Mother 1
>difficult
At the start yeah, after you get the good PSI moves the difficulty is gone.

>>8299083
Agreed strongly anon.

>>8301051
If you're willing to travel to Snowman by foot, you can get Ana as soon as you leave Magicant, but you have to fight strong enemies on your way so it's not really worth it

>>8301382
I know they were too young for it to be genuine love but man I love this couple so much, that scene of them together was so sweet

>>8301695
Forgot about that, I really enjoy how non-linear 1 is and wish the later games were less linear like it.

>>8302414
I would call it genuine love. Even if what tbe emotions means to you changes you still felt it.

I haven't loved anyone since my childhood crush, still have her in my thoughts qyite often.

>>8302414
>Ness and Paula didn't get a dancing scene together
>Lucas doesn't even get an implied love interest don't say Kumatora because the official artist ships her with Duster
Ninten's a chad

>start up NES game without knowing anything about it
>asked to give names to characters
>call the girl Anna

I too have psychic powers. Anyway I could never get into the SNES game but I'm hooked on the NES one. I drew my own map for the dungeon in the mountains, trying to use guides as little as possible

>>8304287
Based

This is how I make Lloyd not shit, this BB Gang member seems to drop Flame Throwers pretty easily

>>8306437
by ditching him for Teddy

>>8307212
Can you get him back after the tank blows him up?

>>8307285
No but it is possible to beat the game with Teddy in your party.

It's also possible to beat it as only Ninten if you use the onxy hook right before the dance scene with Ana.

>>8288556
Giygas' race
they ooze mystery like how we didn't know that a clan of warmongering chozo existed in Metroid

>>8289680
lmao Hydildos still dumb as shit

>>8297159
use bread crumbs

>>8266436
Every Mother game becomes a slog after a while

>>8308235
Maybe if you never played any RPG and aren't used to them. Mother games are on the short side and well paced, and you never need to grind.

>>8297159
I drew my own map.

>>8309151
I drew my own map in another dungeon and I regret not doing it in that one. There were less dungeons than I had hoped

>>8266774
>Mother Restored hack
>The game’s script has been completely replaced with the more accurate translation done by Tomato for MOTHER1+2. This includes every line of dialogue, battle text, item and enemy descriptions, and other miscellaneous text.

Sounds based. Hated the butchered and lazy localization and all the censored enemy sprites but the gba version has shittier audio and colors. It’s nice to finally have the definitive version playable on the nes.

I’ll give it a run on a flashcart.

>>8308184
my personal head bullshit has always been that the race Giygas is a part of is the "Starmen", who conquer and integrate other alien species as a part of their own (Mooks, Shamblers)

I feel like how we see Giegue/Giygas in M1 is what their species naturally looks like, a biologically extremely telepathic species, however possibly they are fragile to physical force/other planets enviorments, so their species when going off-world go through a type of cybernetic surgery that entraps them inside the Starmen body suits. However, the most powerfull psychic individuals are given positions of command, Giygas being one, and so because the suits do allow for greater protection, it does dillute the effectiveness of their PSI, so their leaders are instead put inside that weird kind of stasis pod thing you see when you fight it in M1, which allows it full access to its abilities and maybe even heightening them and being able to send commands to the other Starmen in a type of shared psychic network.

I also always felt like their species doesnt have a true leader and is instead a collective of linked minds and if there is any "guiding force" of their race, its the Apple of Enlightenment, which I always assumed to be some kind of super computer that contains a collective conscious of their species.

My retarded idea for a Mother 4 always involved the Apple of Enlightenment judging humanity not fit for conquest and instead are seen as an extremely dangerous and destructive race seeing as what their latent lingering dark emotions did to Giygas when it tried to use its power to manipulate their minds. So the Apple would judge Earth to be destroyed outright to protect the rest of the galaxy from it and the 2nd half of the game would involve visiting a bunch of weird as shit planets before a final confrontation on the Starmen homeworld to destroy or rather attempt to reason with the Apple of Enlightenment.

Finally beat the game now.

I spent at least 1h30 in the fight against Giegue before realizing about the sing command, I can not believe I missed it all this time. I used 7 PSI Stones, probably a dozen LifeCreamUPs (after using PSI Shield, Quick Up and Offense Up); and I only had Ninten left alive with a half used PSI Stone when I realized. I guess the fact that it doesn't appear until a few turns in doesn't help.

Anyway great game but I wish there were more real dungeons and more real boss fights. There wasn't a single boss fight in the last half of the game that wasn't given a freebie one way or another.

Something weird happened in my playthrough. The last note I got was the third one, because I missed checking the sign with the singing monkey (I think I had checked the sign but before beating the boss of the zoo which did nothing and afterwards I just left); and when I got to the plane guy in the desert, he wouldn't offer me the flights at first. I had to come back after getting another note somewhere.
What's weird is that checking on guides, it is supposed to offer the flights as soon as you get there; and I'm pretty sure I had Llyod with me as well; so I think it only offers them after the player has found a set ammount of notes and since I had missed the third one it didn't work?

>>8308509
>and you never need to grind
That's because you're running into enemies every few steps. So far just beat the zoo (I think I missed the 2nd melody somewhere, but the 3rd was easy to find) and it's mostly just been a slog of fighting mook enemies, outside of the zoo itself. I'm impressed at how effective the buffs/debuffs are. Granted, once you're out of PP, you're essentially fucked since there doesn't seem to be a way to recover it outside of hotels or yo momma.
Personally I like how Earthbound and Mother 3 had enemies on the overworld over the constant random encounters.

>>8309353
The thing with old RPGs like Mother and random encounters is that battles go by really quickly. If you're fast with your fingers on the menu you can get them done in seconds. It doesn't have any loading times or long, elaborated attack animations like on later, more modern RPGs.
Mother 2 and 3 already implemented the enemies on map, though.
Still, grinding (proper grinding) isn't necessary on any of the Mother games.

>>8309353
>Granted, once you're out of PP, you're essentially fucked since there doesn't seem to be a way to recover it outside of hotels or yo momma.
oh yeah and about this, PSI Magnet!

>>8297159
weird how they didn't change this dungeon in the US version when they changed magicant to be less painful

If the mother series ever got an anime adaptation what studio do you think would handle it best?