/vr/ - Retro Games

last thread link broke, fixed one here
>>8254141

Why is finding the last few racers in TXR:D2 so fucking painful lads.
Any tricks to get the "only appears 1 day a month" guys to show up?

>>8275361
crashday good game

I don't understand what makes it bad.

A link/webpage/whatever that explains what to expect from every NFS game on every platform? The same title (undercover, carbon, etc.) seems to be different games depending on the platform.
I need a table to know if the game has free-roaming/open-world, speed circuits, road racing, tuning, story, etc.
This franchise is a real mess!

>>8275921
>free-roaming/open-world
>NFS on retro
i wouldn't get your hopes up friendo, lel.

https://twitter.com/HilltopWorks/status/1453400568731291652

>>8275361
A kid once exclaimed "it's the one from Need for Speed!" when he saw my S2000.
It was the time of the first Underground and Fast and Furious.
Thank you for reading my blog.

repost from last thread.

Can somebody help me to identify the best racing wheel for original Xbox? Trying to search for anything xbox-related for the original system is a fucking nightmare thanks to microsoft's awful naming conventions, and beyond that I struggle to find results detailing the different racing wheels which were made, likewise for the quality of said wheels. Save me from dumpster diving in 20 year old IGN reviews or the like

>>8275779
it has "bad physics" and shit car models(this is true though) but i think it gives it charm especially since its not as bad as td4 and the soundtrack is very uhhh YOU'RE A RACIST YOU DONT KNOW WHY, overall its a fun little game desu

>>8276418
>and the soundtrack is very uhhh YOU'RE A RACIST YOU DONT KNOW WHY,
What does that even mean?

>>8276165
>A kid once exclaimed "it's the one from Need for Speed!" when he saw my S2000.

It's obviously from 2 Fast 2 Furious, though.

>>8276423
its just one of the songs from the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFM4Rg6ta-o
these are some of the dumbest lyrics ive ever heard but i think its way funnier than any of the fucking emo shit garbage you would hear in 2000s racing games lmao

>>8276418
>bad physics = charm
No, that just equals a shit game.

>>8276430
Has there ever been a game that let you detail it like that? Hate Fast and the Furious, but have big nostalgia for those first two movies. Would love a pink S2000

>>8276489
true but by bad physics i mean cars flying at 75934758403kilomilesperyermumshagged when colliding its hilarious

>>8276703
That still sounds shit and like something which would only entertain the mentally disabled. Like you, for instance.

>>8276720
Go back to your simdad retard pen, /o/.

>>8276741
Anyone who uses the phrase "kilomilesperyermumshagged" is clearly brain damaged. That isn't even funny, that's just moronic.

>>8276489
Bad physics games can still be great games, it really depends on the WAY the physics are bad.

>>8276754
Yes he is a moron with cringeworthy conveyance but crazy shit happening in retro games is still fun.

>>8276757
So Big Rigs v Flatout 3 for instance?

>>8276763
Sorry, his clear immaturity threw me.

>>8276430
In fact I remember exactly because he referred to Need for Speed instead of Fast & Furious.
The S2000 from the first one is as legendary, except that he was racing with the top up like a faggot.
>>8276681
You could do a lot Need for Speed Underground, see pic related.

>>8276812
Heard there's a vinyl mod for it in Underground 2. Will admit though, no clue if those games are good, since I've stuck to 5th gen racing and below for the most part. Guess it's worth getting out of my comfort zone.

>>8276821
6th gen is an easy enough leap from 5th IMO

>>8276821
I don't recall if I played Underground 2, but the first one was an absolute blast.

>>8276827
>>8276837
Here's hoping modding it ain't too hard, then. Will play, thanks

I'm currently filling my PS2 hard drive with random games I've never played and I'm in the mood for some Formula 1 action. Which open-wheel racing games for that console would you recommend? Quick search shows that many people like Grand Prix Challenge from Atari-Infogrames. Any other recommendations?

>>8275361
Tokyo Extreme racer zero will always be my favorite. It didn't even have licensed cars, but it had soul

Did you know that you can play NFS 3 with a second person view

>>8277034
I think high stakes supports it as well. I need to find out if 2 does.

>>8276418
5 is a shit version of 4 and 4 is already a bad game.

>>8277114
I still have fond nostalgia of the Keswick level because it was a demo I regularly played as a kid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqfnnSFDPg

>>8277130
I do too (that is the best stage in the game after all) but actually playing the game to completion is a real chore.

>>8277140
I watched a play through a while ago and I managed to get bored with it. It's the same thing over and over again.

Why was NFS High Stakes called Road Challenge in Europe?

>>8277114
No one FUCKING cares. "Bad physics" refers to cars that can barely be restrained and just do whatever the fuck they want.

See: FlatOut 2.

Rage Racer is the mascot of the thread so if you want to give it a try, here are some tips ver. 2.0:

1. Different cars manufacturers suit different tracks. Mythical Coast has medium elevations and medium turns, Gnade Esperanza is good there. Over Pass city has steep elevations, so it's better to use Lizard cars which have high torque. Lakeside Gate has steep corners - Age cars are the best at cornering. Extreme Oval (actually tri-oval) has neither, so Assoluto cars with their top speed are the best.

2. It is possible to complete the game using cars less suitable for the tracks, but it's harder to do so. Except Oval track and Assoluto. You won't beat rival Assoluto car there without using Assoluto and you will struggle with an Assoluto car on other tracks due to its mediocre cornering and torque.

3. Many seemingly steep turns, like the one after the cobbled road and another one right before the finish line, don't require drifting. Approach them from the outer edge and aim to the inner edge - this is a basic cornering technique in every racing game. Sometimes a little brake tap is also better than drifting.

4. Mastering manual transmission is a must if you want to be faster on ascents/descents and exiting drifts. MT is essential here, unlike other RR games. For the best effect, you may memorize rough maximum speed value for every gear and then downshift to this gear from a higher one once the speed falls below that number. For upshifting make sure to push that rpm needle to the max before switching to the next gear. This is especially important for Assoluto cars on a highest gear - you'll have very slow acceleration otherwise.

5. Never use third person camera unless you wish to hate the game. Use rear view mirror to your advantage - block rival cars if they try to overtake you. You will gain a little speed boost if they bump into your car from behind.

6. Deep Drive is a fucking masterpiece:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bo20Vr7DhOw

DRIVERS, START YOUR ENGINES!

>>8277962
Rage Racer Reiko is a tomboy

>>8277528
> "Bad physics" refers to cars that can barely be restrained and just do whatever the fuck they want.
No it doesn't. The physics in the game are unfun and the track design exists to make sure you have to fight them every time you want to do more than go in a straight line. Honestly one must be a special kind of stupid to defend the game but fuck me /vroom/ we've done it!

>>8277528
>comparing Flatout 2 with TD4 & TD5
lmao what

>>8275361
I miss my Del Sol, S2000 bros...

>>8277528
>See: FlatOut 2.
Wow, so you don't just have shit taste, you have broken hands as well.

>>8277528
Burnout baby spotted
Flatout has great physics

>>8277528
how are flatout 2's physics bad, they are pretty great i think, they capture the middle ground of realism and arcade perfectly, or are you talking about the object physics

>>8278042
You are free to wallow in your shit taste, I will not judge nor will I be insulting.

>>8278759
>thinks TD4/TD5 and Flatout 2 have identically bad physics
>calls anyone else's opinions as shit taste
You're mentally disabled, go see a doctor.

>>8277528
flatout 2 has great physics you dildo wagon, go smoke a pungent queef.

I just started playing Side by Side Special 2000 on PS1 after seeing it mentioned here, and it's such a fun game. Really happy that I gave it a go!

However, I'm stuck trying to win the first Special track on Arcade mode in Normal difficulty. I just cannot get better than 3rd no matter which car I use. Any Side by Side experts here that might know some tricks? I won the first 4 races easily enough, but the Special track is super tough

Daily reminder that PC port of High Stakes has no soul (and also plays like shit).

>>8281127
Downside is if you are a purist the PSX version runs sloooow. I'm not so rather than use my actual OSX I also the disc into my PC and run a 200% overclock.

what games does /vroom/ have pirated? lets do a little mega share yeah?

>>8281509
GTE overclock should be used specifically. CPU ovetclock makes the game too fast.

>>8281509
PSX version with traffic is incredibly hard to play. you don't see traffic until it's right on you and they're just colored blocks that you can occasionally mix with the oppnents.

>>8282190
Emulation solves that but again the purists are the ones having a bad time with the severe limitations the PSX has. Shame you can't (at least as far as I can tell) fix either the wobbling or the geometry correction.

>>8282202
yeah emulation solves it, but as a kid with how strict the money is in the game you really have no hope of winning at times with the traffic unless you get lucky. especially how rubber bandy the opponents can get.

>>8282206
>you really have no hope of winning at times with the traffic
I disagree as ultimately the blob in the distance stands out against the backgrounds (though night races are a bitch sure) - there is a reason why the traffic is all bright colours. 11 year old me managed it in 1999.

At best there is .2 of a second to find. When I find it I'm done with this game.

I can't win at rally games. The GBA guys got me playing some (not that one specifically) but they completely filter me because I think they have different expectations I'm not grasping as someone who plays street racer and tournament racer games. Any help? Tips for making the adjustment? I'm used to paved roads and just Colin and Dirt feel like I'm supposed to be climbing everest at minute 1.

>>8283108
>Tips for making the adjustment?
What game are you having trouble with, my young circuitracingfag friend?

Good lord does the RR4 OST come alive on some good headphones. I think I need too go back through my favourite /vroom/ soundtracks really listen to them.

>>8283321
Go for the Racing Lagoon one, it's great.

>>8276158
Please tell me this is what game I think it is

>>8277198
Europe probably has a gambling problem

>>8275779
I almost bought this today out of nostalgia but I remembered my PSX doesn't read discs :(
Gotta install an ODE this winter.

>>8284075
racing lagoon

>>8282317
What game is this?

>>8284083
Why was Porsche Unleashed called Porsche 2000?

>>8281509
The PS1 version has less smooth and more laggy controls than PC

The most obnoxious character in history of racing games

>>8285204
Wow you're stupid.

>>8285575
>DIGITALLY IMMORTILIZED, YOU ON THE OTHER HAND WILL DIE ONE DAY

>>8284861
battle gear 2/ tokyo road race in pal

>>8285575
That isn't the prostreet announcer

>>8284083
For some reason high stakes was named "conduite en état de liberté" in france, that roughly translate to "driving in state of freedom"

>>8281127
Daily reminder that it seems like people are starting to forget what 3dfx is.

>>8287342
That sounds a lot cooler and in line with the spirit of NFS.

>>8287354
To be fair you can make the PC version look similar if you run it in software mode. The real difference in that scene is just colour.

>>8287423
PC version has some real weird hotdog car models and the hud that was drawn by some intern in ms paint without any care for aesthetics. It doesn't matter though because PC version also plays like NFS3 stuck in the arcade handling mode, while PS1 has more simcade-like handling. Like they didn't even try with the the PC port.

Not retro but I don't have anywhere to ask and this is my "home" thread on this site. Is Assetto Corsa worth getting for trying to get good leaderboard times? It's on sale atm and I noticed it has Steam leaderboards.

>>8287510
>>>/o//ovg/

>>8287523
have those retards managed to calm down yet
last time I saw it mentioned they split the thread into something else

>>8287523
I am eternally glad /ovg/ exists so the simdad autists can be contained.

>>8287510
It's fun. Lots of DLC though.

>>8287523
Yeah I know about /o/ but I don't really have an interest in real life cars or sim racing. I love Gran Turismo and simcade games, but time trial is my favorite thing to do and I feel like this thread probably is more in line with that than a board for car people.

>>8287510
Yes, it's a great sim and costs nothing. There's a TXR-themed total conversion mod for it as well.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWx9q6W82c
>DF Retro Play: WipEout 64, Extreme-G + Aero Gauge on N64Digital
Might be worth a watch as DF's retro plays are usually quite interesting. I just want the ridge racer part 2 video to come out.

>>8287227
THAT'S OUR BOY RYYAAAAN COOOOPEEEEERRR

>>8288318

>madman enai put this track in BallisticNG
Still needs to fix his other tracks but dude has some good inspiration.

>>8287530
Half the games we discuss here are simulators though

>>8289280
Will look it up.

>>8289765
There is a world of difference between "Gran turismo is breddy kewl" and /ovg/'s "iRacing is theb est game ever and I will behead anyone who disagrees". /mu/ basically fell into the same trap of not wanting to discuss anything, just opinion validating.

>>8290429
>iRacing is theb est game ever
but /ovg/ always shits on iRacing

I've been playing through the classic NFS games and I desire moar - can /vroom/ point me in the direction of similar styled games? The main thrust being cool cars (real or otherwise - doesn't matter) in exotic locations. I know test drive unlimited goes that route and while TD4 and 5 kinda sorta maybe do they aren't particularly fun games to play.

>>8290429
>iRenting

Fuck bros I wanted to play Hot Pursuit 2 today but when I click on the disc it just fades to black and then takes me back to this screen.

>>8291123
>disc
Just get a HDD adapter already.

>>8291123
clean your switches in your ps2 dvd drive

>>8291184
You wonder why it wasn't ported to the west

>>8291169
>>8291171
All my other games work.

>>8291196
Get another copy

>>8291184
that fucking face, lmao

This thread is garbage. You're all just whining about old games being shit because they're old.
>waah waah Test Drive doesn't have simulation physics
>waah waah NFS is old
>waah waah burnout sucks
>waah waah flatout sucks
>waah waah x is soulless because its not the version i had as a kid

What the fuck do you even play?

>>8294057
Ridge Racer 1. 1 map, what more do you need?

>>8294057
>What the fuck do you even play?
Why, forza horizon 4 of course!

You know what, I'm just going to say it... NFS:U2 has one of the only good RB26 sounds.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK demolition racer's physics. Jesus I had forgotten how badly implemented the driving physics are and - more importantly - how badly the collision detection work. It sure was fun doing the final race in the game half a dozen times because a good 1/34 of all hits I made awarded zero points because pitbull can't code for shit.

>>8295195
Always liked Demolition Racer's track designs. You're right about the physics, especially if you ended up spinning in the air and it was completely uncontrollable.

Also its point system is fucking GAY.

>>8295205
Amusingly that makes the 3rd time i've beaten the game. First was when it came out on PS1, second was a couple years back emulating no exit and now today finishing up the PC version. Clearing I am a sadist but no exist really, really tightens up the bullshit the initial PS1/PC release had.

>>8295195
Destruction Derby 2 was the best of these kinds of games

How the fuck do I pass that s-turn?

>>8296374
like this nigga

>>8296531
Ridge Racer drifting is absurdism. I remember rotating the car all the way around, the wrong direction, during long drifts in one game, didn't matter at all because of drift rails.

>>8296575
The goal of drifting in Ridge Racer, as far as PS1 ones go, is not to turn but to not lose speed as much as possible

>>8296531
Well, that's a level 2 car, easy shit. I'd like to know how to pass this with a level 5 or a devil car while retaining as much speed as possible.

>>8296575
>didn't matter
You still fuck up and lose the race by losing speed and facing the wrong direction when exiting the drift, so what's your point? RR games are strict and comeback is rarely possible.

>>8296597
>strict

I've just realized that I would totally love a RR game with Takumi Fujiwara mode. I.e. one single bump = game over. IIRC some jap racing games have that but I don't remember which ones.

>>8296597
I'm saying you can rotate 360 degrees on a turn AND come out the right angle, because it does not actually affect anything. Turning the car in a full rotation the opposite direction of the turn, because the game literally does not distinguish and will keep you on a drift rail.

>>8296619
How do I get a Japanese race queen gf bros?

>>8296646
>it does not actually affect anything
You lose speed, you retard

>>8296646
Ridge Racer Revolution has a hidden game mode where you are awarded points for doing 360s but this is not how you should play if you want to have good lap times (or actually win at higher levels in Rage Racer)

>>8296374
I can fully drift that in the bayonet (most of the time) but really you don't need to slam the car as hard to the left as you normally would so you have time to do a hard swing to the right before the tyres grip. Or you do the easy way and do a grip run which just involves hard braking which is much more consistent and easier.

>>8296249
Mostly but the cheating a.i is annoying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OmiTkPUV4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6MhXSUhb4

Which does /vroom/ prefer the look of? The 3d accelerated look or....

...or what is essentially mimic the software renderer? The difference in texture quality is noticeable but the colour banding though.

I am having an absolute blast playing V-Rally 3, Top Gear Rally and the three GT Advance games on my GBA. I never thought I would enjoy non-futuristic racing games after being stuck watching Nascar every Sunday in my youth, so this is crazy to me.

>>8296619
>Takumi Fujiwara mode. I.e. one single bump = game over
You mean you people haven't been playing every racing game that's not Burnout and Flatout in that manner all this time?

>>8296575
>>8296374
You have to drift so the on-rail-drifting mechanic can autopilot your car through it.
Good game design? Up to you.

>>8295195
Just kill the other drivers better, dude. EZ.

>>8298327
So, is that a game named Crush 2, or is that just the filename you gave it? Looks fun regardless.

>>8298379
Look at the post which is being replied to, Anon.

>>8298379
Just silly filenames

>>8298390
Oh right, I should have noticed that.
>>8298421
Silly filenames are a time honored tradition on imageboards, so you're keeping that flame alight and whatnot.

The Demolition Racer intro is GOAT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TxyfHbPpyg

>>8298473
Can do.
>>8298518
Collision is certain.
Collision is certain.
Collision--
Collision--
It's only a matter of WHEN

>>8298547
andenjoydrivingandenjoydrivingandenjoydriving

>>8298327
>Just kill the other drivers better, dude. EZ.
You and I both know that is the only track where that can be reliably done - pitbull speedway has the jumps at too high speed and the pack too spread out for it to work. However my final rating of demolition is No Exit > PS1 > PC.

>>8298795
I managed it on Redneck Raceway if I remember correctly.

>>8298831
It can be done on many tracks but isn't consistent.

>>8298847
Crushing another car under your wheels isn't a very usual occurrence, hence why it's always a surprise when it happens.

Listening to RR4 OST while sipping whiskey makes me feel far more sophisticated than I am.

>>8298321
Oh yeah, tell me more about how you got filtered. Meanwhile people still play RR because it's fun and challenging

>>8298312
Even /ovg/ fags are rarely like that

>>8298321
Dude, Daytona USA has the same on-rails drifting.

>>8298547
why does your game look so bad

>>8300493
Yeah but its sega not sony so it is fine.

>>8300493
>>8300556
>drifting in daytona usa and Rage racer is the same

easy to tell how neither of you have played daytona usa.

>>8300907
>playing games
>on /vr/

>>8300907
>made a straw man for greentext instead of copying my response directly

>>8300554
I played it years ago on ePSXe with stretched widescreen because I was dumb. I know better now.

>>8301170
still looks better than the dreamcast version

>>8301180
It does not.

>>8301249
It does. No Exit looks like a phone game.

>>8301276
Ah, so you are just retarded. Okay carry on then.

>>8301276
>no exit looks like a phone game
It looks far too smooth, that's for certain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-bD4Jr5OmE

>>8301338
DR Looks industrial with muted colors and perfectly fitting metal + techno soundtrack. Engine fires and explosions look like they'll seep smoke through your speakers and clog your lungs.
Meanwhile, No Exit looks like a bunch of shiny toys racing in colorful forests and dirt tracks like it's a shitbox rally with new music that sounds gay. Get the fuck out of here with that generic-looking garbage.

>>8301364
>new music that sounds gay
it has the same OST minus the two tommy tallarico tracks iirc.

>>8301372
It has new songs on top of the original OST. Brujeria and Coffee Boys.

>>8301364
>No Exit looks like a bunch of shiny toys racing in colorful forests and dirt tracks like it's a shitbox rally
This is coincidentally the exact same formula that killed the Destruction Derby series.

I like F-Zero.

>>8301397
That is because Reflections made games based on the world they saw outside their offices in newcastle - bleak, industrial and run by yobbos. 343 never understood that and fuck whoever made the later ones.

>>8301417
Studio 33 (from Liverpool) made both Destruction Derby Raw and Destruction Derby Arenas which makes it even more bewildering.

>>8301431
>even more bewildering.
Just ask yourself this, which would rather get lost in on a friday night - liverpool or newcastle? Jokes aside a lot of reflections games had a very industrial style that went really well with the PS1 (DD1/2, driver, monster trucks). Hell even driv3r and stuntman were an evolution of that style. I have a real hard on for monster trucks for no real reason beyond pure nostalgia.

>>8301442
I think you've misunderstood what I was saying.

My point is the same studio went from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQ9uNNkHYw to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGwyNqCZZM

I blame Psygnosis being bought out by Sony.

>>8301404
Good.

>>8301442
Is Driver considered a racing game? Got it at a thrift store that was closing but never had a chance to do much more than see if it would boot up or not.

>>8301480
>Is Driver considered a racing game?
Nah. It's GTA without the walking.

>>8300474
>people talking about a weird game mechanic that makes the game easier than it otherwise would have been

>filtered filtered filtered I don't know how to discuss games anymore help
You are a joke

>>8301480
You should play it and don't be put off by the tutorial which is a blatant rip off of the film The Driver.

>>8301483
He's probably the fag that posts the pasta after only recently discovering Rage Racer and getting obsessed with it. There's no helping him.

You DO own a driver branded memory card right anon? The one that came with a game save for each stage on it.

>mfw this is th4e sort of shit that gets my nostalgia juices flowing
While not strictly /vroom/ by the clip my own memories very much are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-PfHF1I8_c

>>8302054
Shit, which channel was that on again? ITV?

>>8302080
Yups, ITV. I remember it at roughly 3pm on a sunday showing off the latest and greatest circa 1996 or 1997. I have mostly vague memories of it showing off jurassic park.

>>8301519
that's not the tutorial

>>8302105
I might be drunk but the start of Driver i'm fairly sure is performing a serious of moves in a parking lot which is the tutorial before tanner is let loose on his answering machine.

>>8302118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzXGD_xURNw
There's a literal option on the main menu called training that teaches you all the moves you do in the parking lot.

>>8302181
Fair enough bit most people did not select that (lmao I didn't despite playing the driver demo many times) and as such the parking lot is a severe difficulty spike.

>>8302181
Well shit, I never knew about that. Granted I've somehow never played Driver but obviously the parking lot meme is prevalent.

>>8302191
There's also a guide in the instruction manual that details what a slalom, 180, and E brake moves are. so it's not like reflections just threw players into the deep end.

>>8302202
Sure they included a guide but reading/=/= doing. It was hard in 1999 and remains challenging today however once one understand the point of the task it becomes easy.

>>8276165
These cars are perfect. Maybe a little small, but perfect. They run circles around Miata.

>>8277005
Toca 3 is the only good one. It has open wheel shit, like Ariel atoms, 70s, 80s, 90s F1 cars. It’s codemasters before they went to shit making generic iterations of Burnout. You might have to unlock the F1 stuff but it’s worth it. Super game with good AI

>>8301483
>makes the game easier
Show us your time attack times

>>8301547
No, that's my pasta. I'm also this anon >>8296764

>obsessed
Idk, maybe, this is the racing game I always go back to. Nostalgia is obviously involved but I also love the gameplay and there's still a nice scene for it.
That guy arguing over a game mechanic in a retro arcade racer should either get help or off to /ovg/. Like that anon who said that kart racers are not real racing games and we should discuss Daytona USA (the irony) instead. I am not a fan of nitro boosts in racing games, for example, but I'd rather just skip the games where it's a necessary mechanic instead of being angry at them and venting on /vr/. I prefer this board being comfy.

>>8302631
Compared to a hypothetical Ridge Racer game with the same tracks, which we've hacked to not have the mechanic we're discussing? That was the relevance to the topic you were going for, right?

>>8285123
Maybe because this game was
released in 2000 ?

>>8285123
Maybe because this particular NFS was released in 2000 ?

Speaking of porsche 2000.

I partially downloaded the SRFRBR mod because I didn't want 80gb of tracks, but in game it lists them all. Is there a way to filter or see only the tracks I have?

Anyone else played the port of Ridge Racer 64 on the DS? That was my re-intro to the series after having played in PSX and seemed way harder than anything I remembered. Was 64 always hard?

>>8303606
Need me more comfy snow driving

>>8304245
It is a shame the snowing effect is much more subtle in III which makes it hard to show off in webms. Hmm might see if it was changed for high stakes.

>>8304292
Oh and night time for comparison just because.

>>8302235
Thanks for replying to my week old question. Yes, I'm aware of TOCA games, but they are about multiple racing event types in one package. I was wondering if any dedicated open wheel games on PS2 were worth playing (or at least checking them out of historical curiosity).

>>8304245

>>8277005
F12004 is pretty comfy but nothing special. Think you might be better off on PC for F1 anon.

>>8302631
out of context poor reading comprehension, he said "easier than it otherwise would have been".

>>8304459
toca has open wheel like almost every tier so you will be choosing them a majority of the time, it also has a legendary difficult final race where you drive a 96 williams against the 2002 one, hardly anyone manages to beat it.

>>8305287
Hot take. Grip racing is just as viable as drifting in RR, it just depends on your preferences and car choice / tires setup. And didn't we have anon in one of the previous /vroom/ threads claiming that drifting in RR is bad because you stall and slow down a lot? He was bad at the game but at least his point was correct from the noob point of view. Saying that drifts in RR make the game easier is something new.

>>8306048
The autopilot aspect of the drifts is very, very specifically what's being talked about not drifts in general or the difficulty of the game - nothing else but the autopilot - which objectively makes the game easier. Is that clearer?

>>8306068
Unless you show me a webm of yourself effortlessly drifting in RR without losing speed, which actually requires some skills, you have no point

>>8306080
Seek help man. Are you the F-Queero guy or something? Being unable to grasp a point this simple would line up then.

>>8306193
>a point this simple
This point makes as much sense as saying that lack of tires wear and clutch pedal makes the game easier than it could be.

>Seek help
Yeah, it must be me making weird arguments about games I don't even play and grasp mechanics of.
Maybe you better discuss something you actually like and appreciate instead?

>>8306080
>Ridge Racer has on-rails drifting
>SHOW ME YOUR GAMEPLAY
Dude, get a job. Pay some bills.

>>8304292
Looks more like a drizzle than snow, such a shame.

>>8277005
There's a whole Formula 1 series from Sony, I'm sure they're pretty good.

>>8304885
>>8304887
Are these from Midtown Madness?

>>8306080
fuck off fridge racer you 1 trick pony shite

>>8306193
He's just returned by the look of it. Shame, we had a good thread until this RR argument.

>>8307190
ive been here the whole time as usual helping and talking to actual players, then that cunt and his rent free problems takes a punt, mess with the bull you get the horns.

>>8304887
>>8304885
>ywn log in to MSN gaming zone to find a police server ever again

>>8307246
>mess with the bull you get the horns.
Don't start this shite again ffs. It always makes you look pathetic.

>>8307260
then dont YOU fucking start and take responsibility for your actions, take snipes i bite back its that simple. Rather look pathetic than look like a little weakling cry baby fuck who doesnt even play the fucking games anyway and just wants his comfy hive, queerbot.

>>8307491
Point proven.

If I want to play Gran Turismo 4 on an emulator, do I need a gamepad for this?

Sorry if wrong thread.

>>8307613
No, the game could be played on an analog controller. You might be better off with one tho.

>>8307613
>>8307682
*digital controller I'm retarded

>>8275779
Test Drive was never good

>>8307686
Digital in GT is an exercise in pain.

>>8307613
You could also get a driving force instead, it feels worse on the gamepad compared to the GT3

>>8307783
I remember a bunch of tards on the GT forums I used to visit swearing by the dpad until at least GT5.
They're playable, especially 1, 2 and 3 but I sure wouldn't try to gold the licenses with it.

>>8307928
That sounds like...fun. Analog accelerate is the greatest gift to GT. Not even triggers, just straight up dual analog.

>>8307076
yeah, the first one

>>8275361
I just started playing gran turismo 2 on my psp, I keep failing the first license test for breaking lol

>then dont YOU fucking start and take responsibility for your actions, take snipes i bite back its that simple. Rather look pathetic than look like a little weakling cry baby fuck who doesnt even play the fucking games anyway and just wants his comfy hive, queerbot.

>>8307504
yeah th point that you think you can get away with anything and have 2 sets of rules, not happening chief.

>>8308182
>gif
The video that clip is from is great as nobody outside of bongs understands it and it takes bongs a couple listens to get unless you are local.

>>8308247
You sperg out over nothing all the time and make petulant demands of people having ordinary discussions and making clear and plain statements. You talk about consequences like you're not the one suffering them; behave like an adult and people won't be disgusted by your presence. How do you even grocery shop the way you are? Can you?

>>8307858
Well, I have a driving wheel (G923), so perhaps that would work.

>>8302867
Hey RR fag, how the fuck do I do rocket start correctly? Should I always go for the highest gear? Seems like it is different for different cars

>>8308247
>you think you can get away with anything and have 2 sets of rules
Hilariously this describes yourself more than anyone else.

>>8308247
>>8308925
>>8309147
Stop ruining the thread kthx

>>8309149
There has been far worse than this involving him, this is nothing. I'm not going to carry it on.

>>8309138
Not him, but you should go for the second highest IIRC. Will check later today.

>>8309152
someone literally told YOU to stop ruining the thread and you STILL try passing the buck and taking the moral highground, you're a fucking joke.

>>8308925
bull and horns its that simple, deal in truth and facts, you talk shit you get corrected its that simple and FYI

>>8306193
this prick started it. Fucking non players i swear.

>>8309180
>someone literally told YOU to stop ruining the thread and you STILL try passing the buck and taking the moral highground, you're a fucking joke.
You were told as well to stop ruining it, we're all responsible here. Stop acting like nothing is ever your fault.

>>8308987
Ps2 doesnt support, but it might work on an emulator, minus the clutch and the H-shifter

The american plates are a bit annoying

>>8308987
I used my g29 with GT4 just fine a few months ago. I use a program named oversteer on linux that lets you change the wheel type to one the PS2 accepts and changed the steering angle to the one of the driving force gt

>>8308987
I just realised you probably run windows 10, so I booted a VM and set up the wheel there. It's easier than on linux, actually. I just followed this video: https://youtu.be/UeQpmcEaOGU
and downloaded the 32bit version of this: https://github.com/jackun/USBqemu-wheel/releases

webm related is me driving around with my g29

>>8277130
the least liked track in td5 for me, it's just so plain, especially the tunnel section

>>8309414
Wait, it was in both TD4 & TD5? That's weird.

>>8285123
Imagine trying to understand what "Unleashed" means if you're German.
>>8282202
Disable PGXP perspective correct texture mapping in the emu as the game does it on its own (badly of course). If someone managed to disable this in game that would be great. As for wobbly polygons, I think they're mostly fixed by PGXP.
This game is so great to play now. Original average framerate is below 20. It's 60 with overclocking and doesn't need any patch, the game supports it natively.
>>8287443
>PC version also plays like NFS3 stuck in the arcade handling mode
No it doesn't, PSX arcade mode is much better. It's basically one of early drift-based games (like those that came in 2010s) but somehow exceeds them even. NFS 3 an 4 on PC - just a dumb plain driving with no oversteer.

>>8309441
NFS3 on PS1 was GOAT. Sadly with High Stakes they tried to go against Gran Turismo in physics and R4 in graphics. And they did come quite close but at the cost of framerate.

Are there many retro titles that map real-world locations?

Suzuki TT Superbikes is another title. Namco's MotoGP looks better.

>>8309452
Vette!, I think.
>>8309453
By that logic hundreds of racing games that feature real world tracks count. Or does it have extensive freeroam?

>>8309482
>Or does it have extensive freeroam?
It should have some sort of Aristotelean unity in terms of spatial location, mapping just one particular area per title

>>8301249
the guy who started arguing with you has good points so i don't really need to respond but no exit has a shit framerate and a weird shitty attempt at adding reflections that just makes every car look like its wrapped in cellophane

>>8302181
lol i've beaten driver a few times and i've never selected this option

I want takes on Gran Turismo 3

There is one real big problem that just wasn't an issue but the more you play it the more you realize how awfully inflated the campaign is. I'm not saying that no Gran Turismo has the problem of knowing youve won a race at the start because you have the best car, but holy fuck.

Every single event is just you doing 10 of the fuckin 11 tracks in the game, for 10-20 laps each in a sequence. I literally cant play this game anymore. It's one of my favourite games of all time, yet now I'd rather empty a dishwasher than play it

>>8309538
Don't have the best car then.
I haven't played 3 but in many other ones trying to complete the game in a fewest events possible is a fun challenge.

>>8309548
It's pretty difficult to challenge yourself because it becomes kind of arbitrary. First of all, the games designed smart enough that if you dont buy the best starter car at the start, the game just straight up gives it to you the best two starting cars within the first two events.

Also beat the game in the fewest events? The gran turismo games are completion based. Eg you only get the credits by doing all amateur challenges in gt3. Either you beat all the races or you dont, theres really no other method of completion

>>8307928
The really interesting thing in hindsight and to put into perspective how old GT3 is, is that they had this great game about driving physics and yet didnt actually know the optimal controller set up. The default accel/brake being x and square makes no sense apart from them being encouraged/forced to do it for the pressure sensitive buttons. Fuck actually using those pressure sensitive buttons, I have no idea why i stuck with it as as kid (default i guess) but you'd have to constantly make sure youre pushed x down all the way for full throttle and when youre just constantly jamming your thumb on x its horrible

also dpad has no justification being used over the left stick. i get the left stick isn't deadly accurate when you actually even use the sticks to turn (at least real ds2 doesnt seem as rigid as something like sn30 pro in an emulator), but you actually can muscle memory/feedback with your thumb touching the base of the analog stick to help you with how you use the stick. you can do it with the right stick too, park your thumb at the base of the stick and you can muscle memory your throttle way better, and you always know when youre at full throttle because you simply roll your thumb until it locks

>>8309159
>>8309138
Well, I've just checked and it differs for different cars indeed. It's 6th gear for Assoluto Dragone, 4th for Gnade Esperanza and I haven't found the one for Age Victorie. What the fuck.

>>8309565
In GT2 Japanese you can just straight too the final championship, you only need the licenses. In GT1 you only need licenses and 4 main GT events. But all optional evens are still challenging.
>>8309565
Braking on a pressure sensitive face button fells great. Pressure-sensitive d-pad is a great idea in theory too, as default and easiest position isn't full on unlike on stick. I wonder if any games make use of it, I should really try GT3. But it would be most useful for sims that refuse to give you proper steering assist, like any PC one before ACC.

>>8309452
>Pearl City
why would you make an entire city out of pearl?

>>8309538
I really enjoy the driving in it and the endurance events. But last time I replayed it recently I got turned off instantly the moment the game started asking for 5 laps races on full length track with slow shitboxes.

>>8309538
Yeah, I've recently been replaying each game in the series, and 3 is probably the weakest (though I never played Sport). I was looking forward to giving the F1 cars a try, but I got sick of slogging through the same events over and over again. I've since started Gran Turismo 4, and think it's leaps and bounds ahead of 3 just because of the sheer variety of cars on offer. The most minor nitpick I can think of is that the S13 K's in 4 lacks turbine wheels while the one in 3 had them.

>>8310417
>The most minor nitpick I can think of is that the S13 K's in 4 lacks turbine wheels while the one in 3 had them.
Also the menus are incredibly slow. Also the game lacks a manual save feature, the autosave on every car change makes it impossible to try out cars. Also the cars feel incredibly constrained and sluggish and understeery to drive, like there are a million driving aids keeping them from doing even the slightest bit of funny stuff. Also the race mods are gone and so is any hint of SOUL.

>>8310428
>Also the race mods are gone and so is any hint of SOUL.
Wow, really? How fucking boring.

>>8310445
Yeah, guess it would've been too much work. Wheel shop is still there and you can put wings on most cars now so it's better than nothing, but it's not quite the same.

>>8310454
I never got that far through GT or GT2 when I was younger and I probably never will but I always liked seeing those race liveries.

>>8309452
Rally Championship 2000
it has stages that are 20+ km long that are made from maps and photo/video footage of real rally stages

>>8310497
based

>>8294057
I'm coding my own physics engine

>>8281127
the only NFS game that is still interesting to play is the 3do original.

>>8298421
>>8298327
san francisco crush when

>>8309538
gt3 has an awesome arcade mode.

I can hear this webm
>shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>8310596
meant to >>8303606

>>8309192
on THIS occasion i had nothing to do with it so fuck up prick head.

>>8310707
So you butted into a discussion of RR's drift guidance mechanics to say people were "filtered" for talking about the drifting guidance system in a neutral way, then cried and characteristically screeched for race times when it was pointed out that this particular mechanic cannot have "filtered" anyone because it's a form of assistance the game gives you, and you did this against your will? Bro do you need help, is someone forcing you to shit up discussion for no reason?

So, how are the retro Project Gotham Racing games?

>>8310707
>>8310798
Guys please stop. Let's talk about Battle Gear 3 instead. Everyone loves Battle Gear 3! I think it's much better than Initial D games of that period (Naomi ones).

>>8310798
Will you stop ruining the thread already?

>>8297027
Okay, this is pretty easy apparently. Drift through the first curve and then right before the second one release the gas and quickly push it again with negcon in neutral position to gain the traction. Right after that, downshift and turn the wheel all the way right.

>>8310428
>and so is any hint of SOUL.
Wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QmgkTjWjQE

>>8311064
They're great. PGR is basically MSR2, tight yet aracdey gameplay, slick 60fps graphics. PGR2 took a more Gran Turismo-ish approach, framerate is cut to 30, but is still fun and has a ton of cars and tracks.
Picking one or the other is a matter of preference.

>>8310417
>though I never played Sport
That's good. Sport is a full-price demo of GT7 which might, MIGHT be a decent Gran Turismo (though still it will have online-only saving so fuck that).

>>8310798
that wasnt even me you fucking low iq retard lmfao, fucking rent free you lunatic.

i didnt say anything then you took a punt at me and now getting the horns, i was actually going to agree that being on rails may make it easier but doesnt make it easy to this guy and his wonky reading comprehension
>>8302631

none of that whole dumb convy had me in it so now STOP RUINING THE THREAD get over your rent free obsession and shut the FUCK up.

>>8311232
i want to buy a copy for jap ps2 but now its going for 90 quid! such a shame they didnt give it a budget port like bg2.

>>8311947
>much angery
Seek help

>>8311947
>STOP RUINING THE THREAD ... and shut the FUCK up.
You have zero self awareness.

>>8311947
>that wasnt even me
>none of that whole dumb convy had me
Backpedalling already, lmao. You're really stupid if you except anyone falling for your samefagging
>you took a punt at me and now getting the horns
Stupid with anger issues

>>8311927
But has much better engines sounds than Gran Turismo. (I mean PGR3 and PGR4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srfa4z4kR14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=992EHCJjUzc

What are your thoughts on this game? it looks so different from its predecessor.
Played R4 recently for the first time and absolutely loved it.

>>8312212
It's better than R4. Best controls in a RR game by far, every car controls differently. Races are more challenging than in R4. The music is not for everyone though.

>>8312212
Seems to be balanced around the slipstream mechanic, so you end up passing half of the grid when the race starts and the field is bunched up and then take of the race to catch up to the guy in first place. Pretty different to 4, grip feels better.

>>8312025
No you're mental and i'll happily quote every single post you think is me to prove you are completely wrong. I didnt enter that discussion until a swipe was taken and i was banned anyway until yesterday.

you are the problem with your mental policing and MY HIVE drivel whilst the rest of us talk about the games and actually playing them, you are the worst thing in this thread by far, now take your wrong like a man and pipe down.

>>8312212
i loved it the best in the series and the pro GP is legit hard, actually its on i still havent beat yet...

>>8312219
>The music is not for everyone though.
i think the ost is fucking amazing, one of my fav osts of all time tbf.

https://youtu.be/0vzbxJKsaAo?list=PL2j7d7xv3a8NymReqbfkS1s4ZQZWlamzF

absolute wallpaper chewing bangers.

>>8312281
>i think the ost is fucking amazing
It is, but going against the legendary R4 soundtrack is not an easy feat. Too bad the soundtrack is the only legendary thing about R4

>>8312246
>Seems to be balanced around the slipstream mechanic
Another evidence that RRV is a remake of Rave Racer

>>8312285
win win for me though as i grew up on house, detroit tech, old school hardcore, jungle so love both of them, i think Vs is better though or is more consistent where as 4s is dominated for me by 2 stand out tracks and one of them is the kimara lovelace belter. Agree on the game though, 4s a mystery to me, finishing 2nd/3rd to unlock everything? literally the gayest shit i ever saw in a racing game with PR kudos a close second.


>>8311064
i didnt like them honestly, the judos system to me is just whacking a system on stuff any good driver should be doing anyway, i found the tracks boring as shit, i found the mix match of cars in races odd, the 30fps in 2 was not great especially after playing rallisport challenge 2 which looks and plays incredibly, i went in with high hopes and pgr 2 and forza for me were both boring disappointments, make your own opinion thiough

>>8312329
>make your own opinion thiough
Anyone who does that gets completely bitched at by you.

SOUL

>>8312507
That is one nice filter

>>8312507
Protip: hold triangle and the HUD hides for perfect comfy racing (and screenshot material).

Man this game has aged like complete shit, the handling in PC version is atrocious

Man, this game has aged like complete shit, the handling in the PC version is atrocious

>>8313319
You have angered the monkey god - may he strike you down.

>>8313319
It didn't "age" like shit, it was shit from the beginning.

>>8311947
>>8312281
who is this^ ?

>>8315020
Don't antagonize a bullying victim, you'll get his "horns", anon!

How come TXR2 looks and feels a lot better than Zero does?

Burnout 3 vs Revenge?

>>8315294
Looks better because it's in crisp 640x480 compared to blurry interlaced 512x448 or something.
>>8315692
Revenge. Many will disagree but I think it's a straight improvement.

>>8315294
Is TXR3 better than 2?

>>8316185
3 feels slidier and lighter. It's more polished in general (except the yen bug), has some cool euro and USA cars in it while 2 has more of a JDM-mobiles focus. It also includes Honda, which 3 lacks. I think you have to play both and decide for yourself anon, I'm enjoying how 2 feels a lot.
>>8316007
Makes sense

>that dull thunk of changing gears in many old racers
This is why cockpit view is the patrician choice.

>>8313319
It was always shit. The original game is better (with an analog stick of course, it's ass on keyboard)

Out of curiosity I have tried emulating Gamecube and PS2 versions of NFS games and wow, the handling on PC is so much better, is that the fault of emulation or does it suck on original hardware too?

As you can see I tried playing a drift event and while on Dolphin and PCSX2 I had trouble maintaining high speed and I could barely pass the 50k points goal, on PC I could do insane drifts at high speed smoothly and got nearly 5 times as many points on my first attempt.

>>8317159
PS2 ports are unplayable on real hardware. Framerate is horrendous and visibility is shit.

>>8317159
Fucking retard. Of course it's your emulator. If you can't be assed to get a GameCube or Ps2 just stick to the exe you already own you superfluous nigger

>>8317174
I haven't tried the Wii port but I imagine the motion controls are awful

>>8317184
Why are you so butthurt lol
I thought Dolphin was supposed to be accurate?

>>8315692
Play 3. Revenge has that gay traffic check bullshit padding out the entire singleplayer campaign. As if crash mode wasn't boring enough.

>>8315692
both
>>8315294
>>8316007
it also has less limiting(?) physics

>>8317184
>shit games emulate accurately
>shockingly they play like shit
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EMULATORS
Now that is the response I expect from /vr/.

>>8317807
Carbon was last good NFS

cringe minge shite dildo trannies wot u ply skidmarks wank queef me darts post ur times the dao says girls stink

Is the Battle Royale mod worth playing now? Last time I tried it it was full of bugs and crashes

>>8317159
IDK about Dolphin but PCSX2 has MASSIVE input lag. I haven't played Carbon on GC but on a real PS2 the framerate's pretty dire.

But yeah, basically, original hardware or not PC running it in excess of 60fps will feel much much better and everybody who say otherwise is a coping consolefag.

>>8318292
Motherfuckin try it. I got a freebooted 360 so I'm busy replaying it there at the moment.

Shit, we hit the two week limit again.