/vr/ - Retro Games

By playing one.

Obviously you have to work you way up from the bottom.

Start with something like Galaga, then Gradius, R-Type, and only then consider what to do next.

Start with games that are more forgiving to mistakes. Euroshmups like Tyrian or something like Spriggan on the PC Engine

>>8293646
Raiden Project

>>8293646
>Gradius V (PS2)
>Dariusburst (PSP -PC)
>Steel Empire (MD)
>G Darius (Sat/PS)
>Harmful Park (PS)
>Area 88 - UN Squadron (Arcade-SFC)*

Use the FASTROM version if you play SFC.

Go with the ones that youll enjoy even if youre shit at the game and one go far
Ikaruga, Radiant Silvergug, Batsugun and Judgement Silversword

>>8293741
>one go
wont go*

Mushihimesama 1
Mushihimesama 2 (Futari)
Mushihimesama 2 (Futari) Black Label

>>8293646
Play Tyrian, it's the perfect babby's first shmup: https://www.gog.com/game/tyrian_2000

Dragon Quest V
Final Fantasy VII

>>8293812
>Dragon Quest V
I am playing this at the moment and having a lot of fun, I am about to get my kids very soon

>>8293646
Try console shmups if you are new, Thunderforce IV, Elemental Master, Battle Mania: Daiginjō,

>>8293730
>no Gun-Nac

face the wall

>>8293756
Good choice. Anything from CAVE really

>>8293646
I started with Dodonpachi.

>>8293646

Non bullet hell games like Xevious and Tiger Heli. They are also the best.

>>8293646
Play Gradius 3 on the Super Nintendo and then nothing else in the genre at all but enjoy when they pop up as a small mini game in a larger game. That's what I did and it worked out great for me.

>>8293646
Parodious series

>>8293646
Radirgy and/or Karous

Play this.
It's the truly masterpiece shmup.

Not retro but you might like more modern ones like the ones developed by Qute. They're all on PC.

>>8293646
magical chase

Harmful park is the easiest shooter to 1cc for beginners

>>8293741
Ikaruga is fucking miserable when you suck at it, though- it's worse than R-Type

>>8293646
OP, I suck at shooters but have managed some 1cc's. Based on that I recommend:

-Advanced Busterhawk Gleylancer
-GG Aleste 1 and 2
-Soldier Blade
-Space Megaforce
-Lords of Thunder
-Cotton 100%
-Final Soldier

>>8294475
They're very good games. The soundtracks alone were enough to draw me in. Eschatos owns my bones

>>8293730
>recommends console trash or shit ports
classic /vr/ uncultured posting

>>8294210
Post your score

>>8296760
Gradius V is one of the best STG ever, and it's only been released on the PS2. It also has modes that are gneerous and not as taxing and you can ease into it. Gradius Gaiden is also very good and it's also PS1 only.

Harmful Park is a parodius style game and it's pretty solid but with some work you can get into it.

Steel Empire is excellent as a first game. Not too tough but not too easy either and has a nice aestetic.

Arcade superiority is nonsense.

Battle Garegga, Raiden 2, Soukyugurentai, DonPachi or DoDonPachi (PSX versions so you can disable the slowdown nonsense), Strikers 1945-2, Aero Fighters, etc.

All very beginner friendly

>>8294210
Not really, has good presentation but the actual gameplay is tedious as all hell and the level design is gotcha after gotcha

>play Soukyugurentai
>no other shmup compares anymore
>stop playing shmup

>>8297309
post big puntos score

>>8293646
https://youtu.be/tZKk9Zmy0UM
https://youtu.be/Mje1q66Zazo

>>8297328
I hate when this faggot tries to be funny but good information otherwise

>>8293646
Gradius Gaiden

>>8293646
Only one I ever personally liked much was the Darius series, but that's purely an aesthetic choice for me. Plus, Darius Force/Super Nova had an absolutely amazing sound track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVkeOatbFKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz3G2Q7lL34

>>8297328
>unironically recommends touhou
>unironically thinks the music is great and feels like he had to comment about that
yikes

>>8293646
Play Einhander
>it's not bullet hell
Good

>>8293646
My intro was an Apogee game called "Raptor: Call of the Shadows"
Kind of a Euroshmup version of Raiden in a way.
A "Euroshmup" in a general sense usually means there's things like a player life-bar and an upgrade system.

>>8293646
People will often tell you to "start with the Greeks", as it were, but when it comes to SHMUPs, some of the originals are just incredibly dull and basic due to technological limitations of the time.
It wasn't until the later NES-era for arcade SHMUPs to start becoming impressive and more distinct.
I would say that pic related (originally named Thunder Force IV) is a great place to start if you want to get drawn in and experience some of those now-standard SHMUP "wow" tactics.
>Huge bosses
>Giant cool robots
>Giant gross monsters
>Badass OST, really hits some perfect high points at various levels/moments throughout the game
>Mostly visual storytelling, no scrolling dialogue boxes or focus on characters outside of what you encounter in battle
And it's now even this is considered fairly "basic" by what more advanced SHMUPs are doing.

Intro theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VzLxWBho-8&list=PL537B85632B2569C8

>>8297484
Also: If you aren't that good at SHMUPs yet, and you just want to experience the full game, you can go into the options menu and set your lives to 0. Instead of starting with 0 lives, you'll start with 99.

>>8293646

R-Type Final, G-Darius. G-Darius HD coming to steam this winter BTW

I just like playing shmups with infinite lives. I can't be bothered to git gud enough to reach the end without losing all my continues.

The most frustrating mechanic in most shmups ive played is later levels/bosses becoming nearly impossible if you die and you all of your powerups. Meaning the only true way to really get far or beat the game is to do it in one life. R-Type was definitely like this.

Whatever you do, don't start by emulating by scene-favorite arcade shmups, those will just wipe the floor with you. Pick up some made-for-console titles, those are far more forgiving and open to learning the basics in.

>>8293646
Darius Gaiden has legendary aesthetics, generous shield powerups, branching paths, and was the first shmup I 1CC'd. It's a great time as long as you're using turbo fire.

>>8298153
There's a lot of shmups where if you die you might as well just restart since you're too weak to kill anything without power-ups.

>>8293646
Sega Genesis is the place to go

>>8298869
I remember having this issue in Galaga, getting filtered by the Volcano boss and not knowing how to deal with the hectic barrage of fucking rocks flying everywhere. If I can't even deal with this guy, then I don't know where to start.

Dodonpachi. Arcade version
Soinons with zero reflexes will tell you to play whatever they played as kids but this is false. If you can git gud at donpachi every other shmup will be assailable

>>8293646
this was my first, so I recommend this one

>>8293646
>I never played a shmup
You're not alone, no one else has since shmups don't have gameplay to play but instead have a route you memorize and perform, big difference

darius gaiden
dragon spirit
sokyugorentai
abadox

>>8299312
>sokyugorentai
my man! good taste

>>8299304
That's only true for the hardest and bullet hell stuff. There's plenty of shmups on consoles you can run through a few times while only remembering a fear key points to clear it--like many old games.

Although it does vary. Do you have to route and memorize console shmups that kids were able to clear in the 90s, anon?

>>8299317
You can route easy shmups too, it's much quicker to turn them into dry performances, that's the only differences

>>8296821
>Raiden 2
>very beginner friendly

In what sense are you speaking of? In that the great graphics and music will make a beginner want to play it? Sure. In that a beginner can beat it? The difficulty of that game is absolutely insane.

>>8299332
Sure if you wanted, or you could avoid autism routing and wing some of it, that's why I don't think speedrunning is gaming either.

>>8296821
>battle garegga
>beginner friendly

kek

>>8293646
just start with the best one: Ikaruga

>>8299353
>>8299335
Every shmup is beginner friendly since anyone can clear any Shmup and they are all solved the same way, copy a route, tap to dodge and hold auto fire. some might take 3 hours some might take 10 hours or a bit more, that's only difference

Every game is beginner friendly since anyone can clear any game and they are all solved the same way, read a walkthrough and that's the only difference

>>8299374
>>8299378
>single player gaming is for babies
always was

>>8299374
>>8299378
this is like saying all puzzles are easy because you can just look up the answer. you're supposed to figure it out yourself numbnuts

>>8299442
even then, a strategy guide might help for Puyo Puyo or classic Tetris but it's not going to solve the games for you where you can just memorize a routine and do it, it'll teach you some fundamentals and overarching strategies

>>8299442
i know anon i was making fun of that retard
There's a certain retarded subset of /vr/ that says shit like that in every shmup thread. I guess they hate shmups and want to make sure no legitimate discussion can happen

>>8299335
>>8299526
>>8299353
nothing more tiring than shmupigs describing how difficult some boss or pattern is to memorize

>>8299558
>i hate shmups
>better enter a shmup thread
Do you have brain damage?

>>8299558
I just checked a shmup channel as you posted this and yes they are blabbering about how difficult X and Y are lmao

lmao everything is easy if you just watch someone else do it
fucking olympic athlete faggots i could do that but i got the full experience just watching them

>>8299356
Don't listen to this guy, Ikaruga is best appreciated after getting a firm grasp on what makes the genre great. It's a spin on the formula, albeit an awful introduction to it.
>>8299304
>>8299558
Get a load of these dumb niggas.
>>8298998
Based. OP, go play Grind Stormer, Sol-Deace, Zero Wing, Lightening Force, and M.U.S.H.A.
>>8298712
>>8298142
>>8297484
>>8297396
>>8299312
Based.

>>8293646
i recommend you to play Final Soldier on PC engine, OP.
It has forgiving but challenging levels and simple powerup system that is great for beginner

>>8299602
>gamer = olympic athlete
say what?

>>8299775
Nice reading comprehension tard

>>8299652
>Based. OP, go play Grind Stormer, Sol-Deace, Zero Wing, Lightening Force, and M.U.S.H.A.
Those are okay for beginners. But not for me.
I'm a shmup masochist.

>>8299775
I'll have what that guy is having

>>8299775
what is he playing bros?

>>8293646
Gun-Nac on NES
MUSHA on Genesis
Steam Heart's on PC Engine CD
Strikers 1945 for the arcade
Triggerheart Excelica on Dreamcast
Touhou project
>>8293836
Sauce on pic please my man

>>8294664
Are you implying that R-Type is bad?

>>8299798
Ah, then you'd want to play Psyvariar 2 and Homura, both developed by Skonec. (a Korean developer) They're pretty brutal. Skonec also assisted with the development of Castle Shikigami 3, and it shows by the time you're done with the 2nd stage. Be sure to play Psyvariar 2 as Yuhei/ "Buzz Type" for the proper experience.

>>8293668
I never moved on from Galaga. I was not aware I was supposed to "work you way up".

here's my list of gud shmups

- gradius 5
- einhander
- r-type 2
- r-type final
- r-type leo
- ikaruga
- batrider
- battle garegga
- darius gaiden (or darius gaiden ex)
- thunder force 4
- steel empire

here's some guides
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1896

you might wanna read them first because some of these games have weird difficulty scaling that may or may not be intended to milk your quarters.

speaking of quarters, which you don't have to mess with thanks to emulation and buying your own cabinet, i recommend "credit feeding" your way through these games and then reducing the amount of credits you use on the game. the goal is a 1cc. if you keep reducing the amount of credits you're putting in, that's a pretty painless learning curve and it takes about the same amount of time.

AVOID FUCKING TOUHOU
AVOID FUCKING TOUHOU
AVOID FUCKING TOUHOU
AVOID FUCKING TOUHOU

>>8303923
aw shit i forgot to mention

- in the hunt
- bio-hazard battle (aka crying, in japon)

>>8303923
>AVOID FUCKING TOUHOU
based

>>8303923
>>8303938
also, played gradius 3 in an emulator today. i recommend upping the cpu %, reducing flicker (snes 9x), and turning on the slowdown eliminator. i'm having fun. hard game, though.

>>8293646
2hu is the only good one. Play some 2hu. 2hu 15 is the best 2hu

>>8301883
No, but I am saying that being bad at it isn't very much fun- which is still more fun than sucking at Ikaruga.

>>8293646
Raiden.