/vr/ - Retro Games

genesis

Depends on the music. Genesis does the hard rock kind of sound way better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0vCyYA0pQ
Sounds better on SNES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qxlUuGheYU
Better on Genesis

>>8292958
FPBP

snes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWMN91gMD_4&t
genesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNjrCrGSJ4

>>8292953

>>8292958
Fpbp

snes didnt have soundchip
>>8292958
fpbp

i prefer snes by a wide margin but Genesis had some great tunes

>>8292953
The only people who say Genesis are contrarian retards.

>>8293257
Please feel free to call me a contrarian retard.

genesis seems to be the consensus opinion on this board, which is the opposite of what I'm used to from when people used to argue about this 10 years ago. what changed?

>>8292953
Everyone who understand about audio will say the same: Genesis have more quality (higher highs, mids and lows). SNES use compressed samples that are muffled and a lot weaker in terms of frequency.

>>8292958
If that's the case explain why Waterworld and the flintstonES GAMES have such good OST. And explain why Maximum Carnage sounds better on SNES than it does on Genesis.

I’m an FM synthesis knower and I literally cannot find SNES tunes that the genesis would be unable to do passably well with the right techniques, but I can find SID tunes that I think would be straight up impossible with its 4-op FM and PCM. really makes you think.

actually there are some unexplored techniques that might work for imitating SID with 2612, like abusing detune to invert the wave and hold it there, so you can combine two opposite-direction sawtooth waves to have a PWM wave, but I don’t have the right tools to mess with something like that.

Objectively, the answer is SNES. Subjectively, it's whatever you prefer.

>>8293331
>>8293318

>>8292953
Genesis.
SNES had better music, though.

>>8292980
This.
Action game music -> Genesis
Jarpig/Zelda game music -> SNES

>>8293290
This

>>8292953
SNES by far had way more variety

>>8293318
this guy does some good SNES remixes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVrU14djnig

>>8292953
Soft rock vs metal.

>>8292953
probably genesis

>>8292980
>Sounds better on SNES
Whoever put that together was a hack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydJ8sF4AJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz0fAz9n_Os&t=63s

>>8293582
>posts a similarly bad rendition
ok?

>>8292980
>Depends on the music
SPBP, also depends on the guy using the chip.
Console wars are for gay and poor people.

>>8292953
Both machines sound terrible out of the box. But the genesis sounds great after modding to fix the terrible audio circuitry.

Genisis. (In my opinion.)

SNES is hamstrung by how compressed the samples need to be.

>>8293356
Good for you. You're still wrong.

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7mro96sNcg
GENESIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OYkcj_mIhg

Obviously genesis wins

>>8293304
Western devs relied on shitty sound drivers.

They both rock and I don't give a fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cPh1naLMtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRp6ljAvgYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnxrFWrfsZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Em6IoPugo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMjnDMpoXVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brUFB5z1i7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx6yqh2bM38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3otQXqbnhT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6JBeMKeAoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMi7Zj_2QX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-miDa6Zuh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27_ITVXluCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCDKgXeDICk

Lmao Dick as in Robin

>>8292953
Genesis does stanky hard rock and techno better. SNES does orchestral and ambient better. Prefer the Genesis sound though, even if a load of a games didn’t use the console’s sound capabilities to their best potential

>>8294496
>Only Floaters Can Survive This

Yeah? Really?

>>8294534
The Genesis ost for Batman and Robin is out of control. It’s absolutely pulverising at times, in a good way

>>8294553
It goes so fucking hard, and the game is awesome and underrated too. That trippy ass Mad Hater stage has to be experienced clutching a sweaty controller to be fucking believed, best Batman game ever. As much as I like the character depictions in them, those boring ass Arkham games, as games, can't compare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh1t_68pGI4

>>8294576
It’s up there with Streets of Rage 2 and Sonic 3&K for me. It’s probably one of the few Genesis games I can think of that intentionally leaned onto that abrasive grimy dance atmosphere that wasn’t Streets of Rage 3, and wasn’t done unintentionally because of poor GEMS use like nearly every western Genesis game post Sonic 2

Don't know don't care. SNES had best games and best music in those games.

>>8294592
Name 10 good snes action games
snes is for rpg losers

>>8294603
Mario, Zelda, the list goes on

>>8292958
/thread

>>8294580
They knew what they were doing with the console, definitely. I need to get into the Streets of Rage series someday, the OST is so popular it's stuck in my head just from hearing it in retro game stores sometimes. Speaking of SoR and to stay more on-topic, amazing how Yuzo Koshiro produced both these for the SNES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZp27Rbs9iU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58fCv_sRgQ

First, such an orchestra-y OST more in line with what you see in the system (I never knew it was a Yuzo Koshiro OST till recently) But later... he could not help himself lmao, the OST in Super Adventure Island is so much better than the game itself.

>>8294603
Ninja Warriors
Axelay
ActRaiser
Demon's Crest
Wild Guns
Megaman X
Goemon 2
Skyblazer
Pocky and Rocky
Kirby Superstar (one of the best co-op action platformers of all time you can't change my mind)

>>8294496
The lemmings sound track on genesis is one of the greatest musical masterpieces ever created.

>>8294613
The Ninjawarriors is better on mega cd

>>8294603
Name ten good Geneshit games. Infact name five. You can't.

>>8294613
Yuzo Koshiro is crazy. It’s like everything he touches turns to solid gold

>>8294637
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_Genesis_games

>>8292953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBVT4rvhMCo

>>8293284
4chan is naturally contrarian

SNES has some really really well composed music, and I think that’s why a lot of people pick it. In all honesty the sound samples used are often compressed to the point of sounding muffled by 5 comforters in a reverby basement.

Genesis doesn’t use samples and doesn’t have the same compression issue (based on my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong) so the music sounds explosive and impactful. I think it’s a better sound.

>>8294725
No it's not

>>8294836

>>8294653
HOLY FUCKING BURN

>>8292953
Genesis when done right and not constrain to GEMS

>>8293284
Hearing real hardware rips of genesis music from DUSTINODELLOFFICIAL really help changing the perception.

>>8293582
>>8295768
>>8295765
Now imagine shitty GEMS songs reimagined as GOOD songs

OG
https://youtu.be/3-rXM_xoZI8
https://youtu.be/RM_UW0OWyfc


Remixed
https://youtu.be/UMxAaWPEEFg
https://youtu.be/0x2ylqCtl0E

>>8295793
>thinks the god like Drossin and Wise originals are bad

>>8293008
SNES is easily better. It makes the Genesis sound like bleep hoop bullshit by comparison

>>8295843
true, only bleep bloop chads would understand

>>8295843
Soulless muffled trumpets versus the pristine, bassy and abrasive sound of the 16 bit powerhouse the Sega Genesis.

Genesis: SOUL.

SNES: Soulless.

>>8295910
4th gen in general is soulful.
Stop larping, zoomer. Back to your modern console wars on /v/

>>8293284
Mega Drive music became more accessible.
Ultimately, what it comes down to, the Mega Drive has a decent quality FM synthesiser, the SNES has a poor quality and very bottlenecked sampler. The SNES might be able to do more styles of sounds, but it is never great at any particular sound. The Mega Drive has it's one distinctive sound, but it is very good at it. There is essentially no reason for one to use the SNES chip in this day, when a multitude of better sampler options exist, whereas the Mega Drive enjoys a litany of new music written for it's distinctive, crisp sound chip. And, although some fan conversions of Mega Drive music exist on the SNES, none of them even match the Mega Drive original, conversely, Mega Drive conversions of SNES music are consistently and categorically better than the SNES originals.

>>8294626
Than the SNES?
Fucking Lol

>>8295914
Zoomers don't know what these wars even are

Overall the SNES, but there's some fucking bangers on the Genesis and I quite enjoy listening to covers people make using the soundchip.

>>8294576
>best Batman game ever
Not even close, it has outstanding graphics and music but the gameplay is ok at best
The biggest problem is that it doesn’t feel like a Batman game at all
And nothing compares to the Sunsoft Batman as far as retro games go

>>8294192
Lol no, might as well go play an emulator if you want higher sample rate

>>8293026
If the Amiga had such great sound, why did many games could not play both music and sound fx, and made you choose just one?

C64 SID >>>> Atari POKEY > AY >>>>> genesis yamahashit

>>8293026
>only 14khz sound with 4 channels
>sounds much better than the 32khz 8 channel snes shit

https://youtu.be/HLM8AjOElNA
https://youtu.be/Xpk89uR7gq4

>>8295978
Because of two reasons. Amiga intro music takes up a huge 150-300KB of memory while during gameplay you'd need most of the RAM. Another reason is theres only 4 channels and devs are too lazy to go around it. Some games use 2-3 channels to play in game music. Turrican series could have both by switching one minor channel with sound effects. There's something charming and rewarding about music being played occassionally rather than blasting throughout the game though.

>>8295981
>sounds much better than the 32khz 8 channel snes shit
Thanks having no forced interpolation muffle filter as on SNES, and having far more than a measly 64 KB audio RAM to work with. Those two serious and debilitating flaws set back audio on the SNES far more than more channels and higher sample rate could make up for.

Genesis sounds like farts, snes sounds like prepubescent shrieking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3N1rJIf8MU

>>8296152
you are genuinely retarded on both accounts

>>8296197
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EGWSijvWxFI
It isn’t easy being right all the time but somebody’s got to do it

>>8295996
into the deep blue sky is an absolute classic

Listen to these two soundtracks. Same game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb084d7dGz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsdkSeTAGYs

>>8296146
>high quality 8 channel voices
>only 64KB of memory
What genius designed this shit?

NOTE: Being against the Snez's sound chip is ANTI-Sony!

You have been warned, Sonysisters.

>>8296227
When its the same game it generally comes down to the composer who can get the most out of the system. And if they are even slightly familure with Sega it's going to be Genesis almo as t every time

>>8296361
A man who wanted to destroy Nintendo and save the games industry from their Yakuza-funded monopoly from the start. And he started by selling Nintendo his scraps at a premium so that their console would be overpriced, underpowered, and ripe for overtaking by the technically superior Mega Drive.

>>8296371
Sony sisters ...

we got too cocky

>>8293290
This literally means nothing

>>8296437
I forgot the music was supposed to be streamed from a CD drive. It's literally garbage for tracker music and thus useless without sony's cd drive. Smart move.

>>8292980
>>8294534

This is the ultimate answer.

The 4th gen console were both spectacular in every regard. I lament that my parents weren't rich enough to buy me both of them at the time.

...Well, they were, they just didn't love me enough.

>>8295957
>feel
Fucking ew, why would you care how a game le feels if it's not the better one, why would you care about better gameplay over anything else? But I'll humor you: are you talking about that run of the mill gen 3 action game where some lumbering muppet with a purple batman skin shoots a bunch of Ninja Gaiden rejects with his rocket gun and fucking kills the Joker at the end? Ew again.

>>8295803
>>8295793
>shitty GEMS
I'm confused by his links. Comix Zone sounds amazing as is and fail to see how anyone could dislike it.

>>8296864
The game feels fine as a run n gun
But it’s just a Batman skin on another game

>>8296536
It literally means that the Genesis have more quality in sound. You can't get more technical than this.

>>8296956
Mario 2 is just a Mario skin on another game.

>>8296969
Correct

>>8294534
good but, basic tunes anon, here let me help
https://youtu.be/Ca7qvPwZ8k4
https://youtu.be/rvlU7zfNSeM
https://youtu.be/hQ_2Dhnu1n0
https://youtu.be/n8pZSMW-eZQ
https://youtu.be/d7J8ENoB3lc
https://youtu.be/nMJxjqbVxoo
https://youtu.be/Y9c3HIQd2vA

the SNES actually does have some features to support basic synthesized sounds but they were rarely used. it can combine two channels for FM with arbitrary waveforms, it can vary the loop point in a sample at the same time as the frequency to imitate oscillator sync, and it might be able to do wavetables with the right sound driver but I’m not sure how practical that is. so if you were trying to cover a genesis tune that features long evolving sounds or parameter sweeps that the SNES conventionally can’t do, it might not be completely out of options. the genesis is more fun to explore though because whenever you make a new sound on it you’re unconditionally adding to its repertoire and can use it in any song, while any sound you make on SNES will always be subject to compromise based on the other samples you’re including in the track.

vid related, typical SNES arrangements would have to cut the evolving synth sounds out of this because they don’t fit in a short sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyy0yn2Qx8

>>8296965
Irrelevant

>>8296956
Right, and my point is: so does is the Sunsoft, except it's a Gen 3 action platformer instead. A good one, but one nonetheless. And you have to admit it's one hell of a skin, you can really tell the people who handled the art for one had seen the show; the fact they included Freeze as the final boss and threw fan favorite Mad Hatter an awesome stage makes me suspect they might have even been fans. Way, way more faithful than the mishmash of action game assets in the Sunsoft game, which look like they could have been in any Ninja Gaiden type.

>>8296925
Me too I can't even tell what point he's trying to make anymore. If it's a defense of the MD's sound by saying people "fixed it" later, it's very dismissive of the fact this sounded amazing, and it's buying into the narrative of those shitters that say all Genesis games sound bad whilst having listened to three their whole life. Back then before people fiddled with anything, I remember being blown away by how the console sounded, playing Shinobi was like having a fucking arcade in my house, when all the reference we had was bleeps and bloops it was really impressive.

t. sound ignoramus who also defends the SNES sound sometimes

>>8296981
>who also defends the SNES sound sometimes
While I too feel SNES does sound worse it still manages to have great OSTs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_FHq_9O4q4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14W5XTqL5U

Still love Kens theme from SNES World Warrior. How the fuck did Blanka defeat Ryu?

>>8297048
oops, linked the arcade theme by mistake. Heres the real SNES Ken theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOI2eqXL3ek&t=13s

>>8297048
>>8297054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8xxjhsRvMw

Oh man, the console versions of these sound weird to me. They're not bad, but I'm so used to the CPS1 versions, it's odd to hear these. It's an immortal soundtrack, some of these sound great even in the crappy GB version. At least it's not a complete butchering like the SNES SFA2 port. That butchering is just frustrating.

>it still manages to have great OSTs
It's the end result that's important for me, honestly knowing the SNES had a shitty, hard to work with soundchip by design makes me appreciate the soundtracks even more, Konami and Hudson for instance made some of my fav game OSTs for it. Also while it's awesome to see what people do with the Genesis chip unchained, I don't really see it as an argument as to which one was the best. If it wasn't back in the day and by developers, it wasn't competing or constrained, completely different context.

Plus I confess I am endeared to the stank some SNES soundtracks have. Some audio crust just makes my brain go "this sounds like a videogame". Soul Blazer's OST sounds very "SNES default" but it's funky as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jscVaq29s1A
That stanky Seinfeld bass and those SNES default trumpets can be so charming.

>How the fuck did Blanka defeat Ryu?
Aw man, you reminded me the illustrator who made that cover recently died. I used to see that cover and others by him so much growing up, dude, it really bummed me out.