/vr/ - Retro Games

u dumb

Is it that unbelievable to think that video games at the time were designed to be played on TVs at the time?

>>8274708
Of course it's a lie, PS1 only had 16 bit color on textures.

I don't think it's that exaggerated. I remember at the time around 2010-2012, when big flat screen LCDs were common, hooking up my N64 to the newest TV and remembering as a teen being disappointed by how bad it looked. I was genuinely in shock that the system looked much better on the old 10" DVD/TV combo in my room. And I was so excited to bring it out in the living room with the new TV and everything ;_;

>PS1 games on Duckstation

>>8274708
Its not a big conspiracy bro. CRTs make “standard definition” content look better due to color bleed between phosphors. Its creating artificial filler data for your brain. Whats happening is that millennials are trying to hook up their old consoles to their modern flat screens and they realize 240p looks like absolute dogshit on them. HD content on an HD screen truly does look better. I play 4k blurays on my 80 inch 4k OLED and there is no universe where a CRT looks worse. I have the 42 inch sony CRT that ways 400 fucking pounds in my garage, they aren’t not comparable. However if you want to play old consoles or watch old shows, they legitimately look better on CRTs

Let me just use my guncon2 on my brand new flatscreen...
Oh wait

It’s not really a scam, 240p and 480i games were just meant to be seen on their appropriate low resolution displays of the time. Even DVDs look more colorful and vibrant on a cheap CRT than they ever would with an upscaler or DVD player with HDMI.
Of course you can argue that paying more than $50 for a CRT or buying a PVM/regular small CRT online is a scam, but for the most part people part with CRTs for cheap or even free.

>>8274708
here's the meme but semi accurate

>>8274774
This is about right.

>>8274708
>the surge in seething over CRT tech has been nothing but cope by zoomers hasn't it
Yup

>>8274774
agree

>>8274729
>42 inch sony CRT
in awe at the size of this lad, absolute unit. My 32" is already too unwieldy to handle alone. Can't imagine hauling a 42"

>>8274774
Just took this picture of my CRT. Doesn’t look like your example at all.

>>8274721
That's why those upscalers are selling like hotcakes. Everyone looking for some solution.
Meanwhile, I can be cozy in bed playing on the PSone screen, and it makes Parasite Eve look fucking gorgeous.

>>8274824
Damn that's sharp.

>>8274912
Thats the power of 480i on shitty consumer grade CRT. I’d post a higher definition picture of it but the phosphor details don’t play nicely with compression algorithms so its impossible to post the pics here. I had to crop and downsize a lot just to get that picture

>>8274708
Crt response time is their selling point you zoomer.

>>8274954
You're the zoomer.

>>8275031
>no u
You sure showed him. That you're the zoomer.

>>8275031
CRTs are truly miraculous. Just look how much more defined Dracula's teeth are on the left pic.

>>8275031
that's just video signal fuckery

>>8274954
>Said while OLED's exist
A phosphor ghost is going to haunt you by shouting zoom zoom.

>>8275031
>>8275148
That's his bottom lip, not his teeth. His mouth is closed. The CRT is making assumptions.

>>8274708
I have multiple CRTs (including a PVM) and I would say that while I do enjoy them, playing on a massive flat panel is definitely more "fun". Even with a massive consumer grade CRT. CRTs, in general are more plug and play, however. They just work for the most part and if you're looking for that CRT style then you won't spend eons messing with settings to get a good output from a retro console like you'd have to on a new flat panel.
The real redpill is that it doesn't matter and the only thing that does is if you, the person playing the game, is actually having fun.

>>8274713
>PLAY 80s AND 90s GAMES ON THE TECH THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR!!!!
>here
>let me show you
>on my mid-00s CRT
stay in your CRT quarantine thread, crtfag
the rest of us have moved past the CRTs we threw to the curb like the garbage they were

>>8275236
Truth

>>8275236
Obviously they were designed to be as sharp as possible while being as muddy as possible, it's a tough balance and every single sprite on every single game was made with that in mind.
Those devs back then clearly knew what they were doing making 7 games in a span on a year.
Just look at the Wizardry sprite comparison. Never you mind it doesn't look like that on a CRT, it's just because you are using Trinitron which you are not supposed to use, or you are using composite, which you are not supposed to use, or you are using the cables that I'm not using.
Also, you should probably pie RetroTink, it just makes an imagine so much better, you can really play it as the developers in 86 intended for it to be played.

>>8274708
PS1 games on psp

>>8274774
This is more like high-end upscaler vs. Smart TV's built-in scaler.
CRT have scanlines that help them appear a bit sharper than they actually are. I wouldn't describe a CRT as blurry.

>>8275236
Retard.

>>8275221
>The CRT is making assumptions.
kek

>>8275232
0/larp

>>8274708
PS1 games on SmartTVs, and any other pre-HDMI games look like a badly compressed JPEG.

why is even a picture of Heisenberg the benchmark here

>>8275031
nice teef

>>8275031
TEETH

>>8274708
WTF is this zoomer nonsense? More like left PSX, right N64. I wouldn't expect you to understand this however, as you clearly weren't alive during the relevant period

>>8274708
No, the image is quite accurate.

>>8274708
PS1 games look at their best on 720p TVs provided that you're playing them on a PS2 with texture smoothener.

Why argue over this just play the games and enjoy them.

>>8275236

>>8276018
>PS1 games look at their best on 720p TVs provided that you're playing them on a PS2 with texture smoothener.
I just love to see those hard edged polygons scrapping against eyes.

>>8276023
Cope

>>8276023
Could be said about this entire board and much more. Why even talk about things? Why even be online? Why dont people just stay offline and simply do things?

Consumer TVs are still free, high quality Sony sets are given away everyday on Facebook and CL. How can it be a scam?

>>8274824
Now show us the same image on a new TV.

Why do so many people still use upscalers? It seems like people buy them for older consoles like the SNES or whatever, and only use the scanline stuff for PS1 onwards.
Are they just compromising for places they can't carry a CRT to, or is the difference just less pronounced when scaled correctly and limited to sprites?

>>8275236
Its less the mid 00s TV, and more that they're doing it over s-video or component, in stead of RF or composite which is what 99% of all what TVs had in the 90s, and tons of people still only had TVs from the 80s at that time and only had RF.

>>8274708
I never stopped using CRTs. I think they produce better image quality than LCDs. Granted, I only use high-end monitors.

>>8275221
The CRT is not an AI, you know?

>>8276263
That's what they want you to think

>>8276227
>instead of RF or composite which is what 99% of all what TVs had in the 90s

Are you proud of being poor?

I'm convinced that it's the zoomers appropriating boomer culture.

>>8274708
its not a boomer conspiracy, kiddies just found about this because of a shitty twitter account and now they're parroting it everywhere
most of them don't even play these games or own a tube, so they post the same shitty images time after time (>>8275031)
there are several reasons they can't just go and pick up a crt so I doubt the prices are getting more fucked than they already are
either way, there's always someone desperate to get rid of their grandma's old televsion so it doesn't really matter

>>8276305
*inaccurate emulation

>>8274774
True. If you use composite.
Americans were denied good looking retro games.

>>8275221
>current_year
>falling for a shoop

>>8276364
Aren't you the redditor that got buttblasted and exposed for lying about CRT, Shaderss and Input delay to shill the remakes at nintendo store?

>>8276872
what

>>8275031
Squint hard enough and it looks like Dracula has two rows of teeth and his mouth open on the left.

>>8275236

>>8275031
Right is clearly emulated with filters disables, including native filters.

>>8276392
Which is why it's good.

>>8277032
Is it less awful for older games, like on NES?

>>8277062
For NES? Yeah its fine, but the PS1/2 is the era are console games are the ones which tend to look the worst without a CRT

>>8274774
Fucking what?
Right is what it looks like with bilinear filter and left looks like without
A CRT will make it look sharp

>>8276074
Beautiful <3

>>8276305

>>8275221
>CRT is making assumptions
lol

>>8277427
bitch

>>8276074
>>8277032
In specifically these PSX case where you're mainly just removing the effect of dithering here, doesn't the dithering pass just not happen anyway if you set your emulator to 32 bit textures? Most games don't actually bother to store non-32bit textures because the console dithers to 16b even if there would be no change, so it saves no time. As a result a lot of games can just use full color undithered textures if your settings support it, no blending required.

CRTs are god tier for subpixel detail use in games, but sometimes the benefit you think you're getting is coming from a limitation you can remove in the first place.

>>8277465
Is that why some people run that undither thing on their bios? I thought /vr/ said that was awful

>>8276213
Ok. This is my attempt of getting the same picture from my 65 inch samsung flagship QLED from last year. Hard to tell from a static image from my phone camera but its a smeary mess

>>8277427
lmao

>>8274774
add some scanloins

>>8275236
I'd probably be mad at CRTs as well if my only memory of them was my daddy making me haul one to the curb when I was 5, in 2010

>>8274824
>>8277664
Why os there is even a "discussion" happening?
TV anon here blow all the bad faith "arguments" out of the fucking water.
And them people still get mad when old fags call out zoomers...

real

>>8277861
This is actually a very realistic depiction of the differences. Great work

>>8277693
>blatant zoomer phonepost
Anyway, enjoy your Sony Memeitron.

>>8274708
The image is a joke you idiot.
But no it's not a scam.

>>8277861
Exact same resolution on both?

>>8278008
my wii is doing some fuckery to stretch the image to 480i but both of them are originally 150x200

from now on, I only expect people to test image quality using pictures of Walter White

>>8274824
Those aren't polygons or sprites you fucking genius.

Why is everyone on this board a fucking retard.

>>8277923
>blatant zoomer copepost

>>8274708
zoom zoom why you won't admit defeat.
crt are better for old games simple as that since led tv don't have dithering,bilinear filtering or gaussian blurring,interlacing and scanlines (the crt have that as normal)
i bet you never used one and just a faggot trying to look smart saying " old games are supposed to look sharp"
reason "they" stopped selling crt tv are due to the electron gun old tv have which combined with certain elements can used in several ways (from a bomb to creating the higgs bossom)

>>8275354
you know that's a fucking lcd screen running at 380x240

>>8278098
>running at native res bad
What?

>>8277861
This is probably one of the best comparison images I've seen. All it needs is the same image being run through a retroarch shader.

>>8278095
holy shit, did your boss send you to this board to practice english?

>>8274708
>>8274774
>>8274824
>>8275031
>>8276010
>>8276074
>>8276305
>>8277427
>>8277664
>>8277861
all of these comparisons are pointless if a reference for scale isn't included next to the images
>wuh huh who?
put a ruler or some shit next to the image or you're a fag

>>8277861
I was curious what this would look like through my PVM-esque Retroarch filter, so I resized it back down. It's alright, kind of a midway point.

Any tips on how to make crt-royale have a slightly more blurry image underneath the scanlines? I've tried adjusting it to 1080p settings but it almost still looks a little too sharp to really blend things together. I've tried enabling the bilinear filtering in retroarch but it's not making any detectable changes.

>>8279461
add an ntsc/composite shader

put a blur filter over the right side, sort of like looking through a thin, even coating of vaseline, and that is an accurate image

>>8279462
Thanks bro, loaded up crt-guest-advanced-ntsc.slang and now it's looking exactly how I wanted it to

>>8274708
You can achieve a good CRT effect with a 4K TV anyway

>>8275163
I'm a zoomer for not knowing about zoom technology? Can I play my Light gun or Rhythm games on your OLED? I can't? Then fuck off zoom boy.

>yfw you own multiple Tubes and see CRTcope

>>8279461
Another anon requested something like that a few days ago. Here goes, give a name.slang of your choice and put it in the /slang/presets folder
https://pastebin.com/ikX1vSqk

>>8279524
Holy fuck this is incredible. It even does that weird color bleeding when text is on dark colors. Fucking thanks anon! It looks way better in person than the screenshot makes it out to be, but it's still awesome

>>8279549
Glad you like it. Personally, I think the image degrading is a bit too much, but it sure looks authentic.

>>8276018
correcting you, they look their best officially on the psp go (ps1 classics only). however, you're right. I don't know if you were saying that seriously, but it's true and it takes a lot of time, money potentially and research to reach that conclusion.

>>8279523
Gonna need sauce on that picture, brother.

>>8275236
>the rest of us have moved past the CRTs we threw to the curb like the garbage they were
You must be 18 years of age or older to post on this website.

>>8276074
so clear and sharp!

>>8274708
This is a thing called a “meme” it’s a joke picture that people post online. is this your first time seeing one since you’ve gotten out of your schizo bunker??

>>8275236
>crt from the mid 00's
Reminded of this guy. Kek
https://youtu.be/Q3-JZiNu6dc

>>8275236
>he doesn't own a different TV for each generation of vidya
ngmi

>>8279461

>>8274708
How the fuck am I supposed to make CRT-based pixel art if both I and my audience don't have a CRT?

>>8280926
You aren't. You can't even make your bed.

You retards do realize that most zoomers grew up with CRTs, a lot of them having CRTs up to middle school?

I understand that the image will not look the same if it's not on a CRT. That's just a consequence of the times. I prefer my games on an LG OLED

Projectors and LCD/Plasma screens existed in the 80s and 90s. They weren't common, but they existed and people did play games on them.

In particular, handheld games were obviously made for LCD screens, and the techniques used on those games were not too far off from the techniques for home console displays. Especially say, Sonic on Game Gear vs Genesis

>>8278286
You can't just use the size of the pixels as a reference?

>>8281806
What kind of zoomer are you?
1. retarded
2. poor
Choose at least two

>>8274824
Fuck yeah Babylon 5.

>>8274708
Reminder that CRTs do not add detail, that's physically impossible and in fact the opposite is true. CRT comparison images are just really shitty.

Picrel is a CRT comparison and the same image resized roughly to how it would look under normal couch gaming conditions with 90s-era TV sizes.

>>8282485
I smell bullshit because i can see the pixels from right pic, while left has a nice color and lights blend, occlusion and smooth.
Don't you ever stop trying to use the same retarded baits here and at /v/ indiefag kun? you gost buster there and here tons of times and this bait of yours never works.

>>8280926
I don't think NuPixel art needs that CRT look. NuPixel artist just don't understand why pixel art looked the way it did. They don't understand the limitations or the concept of a sprite sheet. They just draw their stickman figures and pretend it's pixel art because you see the pixels.

>>8282081
No argument, I love it.

>>8282485
Reminder 240p is the resolution size not the size of your screen dumbass

>>8283487
He keeps posting the same bait here and at /v/, and always getting exposed.
He gets anal when someone speaks of CRT shaders or old TV's that aren't meme pvm's.

>>8283182
>n-n-no argument

>>8275232
>sexy setting
it's still funny to me that that's actually in service menus

>>8283893
keep trying to fit in, zoomer

>>8275031
The irony you over zoomed them both to make them both look like shit.

>>8284107
>no u
>y-y-youre trying to fit in
epic

>>8274774
Semi is right, right is N64, not PS1. Left is PS1 regardless of era of TV.

>>8277861
Great, now it has shitty washed out bloom like some Wii U era game. Fuck off.

>>8284521
taking pictures is hard

>>8274708
cope and seethe

>>8284557
No, taking pictures of light is hard

>>8274708
Your meme picture is definitely a lie, but some retro games really do look better on a CRT.

This image is a pretty good example on my old Sony Trinitron. PS1 Diablo normally looks like ass on an emulator and monitor, but with the natural color bleeding that comes with older TVs like this it actually looks great (for its age).

It's strange seeing people trolling or being serious about CRTs being a scam. It's about having an authentic experience not about it being necessary. If you like playing games using scalers or emulators on LCD TVs there's nothing wrong with that.

>>8284724
>not about it being necessary.
But it is.
>If you like playing games using scalers or emulators on LCD TVs there's nothing wrong with that.
Well, there should be another board for those posters because I don't want to hear their shit opinions.

>>8284713
nice pics, any more?

>>8284768

>>8284756
uh whats going on in that picture?

>>8284813
It's the republic of gamers and they all use CRT.

>>8284815
had a nice log phwoar looking at this anon

>>8284713
>>8284775
when i made my own preset using a mix of crt shading and colors, the autists at /diablo/ which were the Blizzbots shilling D2R raged hard.
yours would be shat the same.

In any case Ps1 diablo on a CRT is great, it has more effects than PC.

>>8284813
smash bros. tournament.

>>8284813
Incel convention

>>8285285
Curious to see what that preset looks like.

And yes PS1 Diablo on a CRT really does look great, the pictures don't do it justice. Another game you wouldn't expect to look good on a CRT is Kings Field

Yes, basically in second hand markets whenever something gets discontinued retarded investors flock from everywhere and buy it because they believe that no newly produced supply guarantees that prices are going to go up. They are the same kind of brainlets that will invest in various cryptoscams.

>>8285389
>Going outside and meeting other gamers makes you an incel
Continue staying inside anon. You're much cooler.

>>8286278
you haven't interacted with melee fags in real life i see

>>8284160
post the real look then you mouth breathing ape

>>8286278
Looks like someone hit a nerve
Going outside didn't make you an incel. You were born that way.

>>8286508
Lol while I'm more defending offline meet ups than melee meet ups. I know exactly what you're talking about. Even in my geeky communities we are chads by comparison to melee fans.

>>8286728
I ask girls out all the time when the chance presents itself. I'm outside in the sun as I post this.

>>8286763
>I ask girls out all the time when the chance presents itself.
Yikes. Why didn't you just lie and say a girl let you touch her boob once? That would have been less cringy than admitting you only got up the nerve to ask a girl out once, and she said no.

>>8287192
>why don't you just lie
Sega chads don't need to.

>>8287205
Based Sega chads

>>8287205
>Sega chads
Sony fanboys in disguise

>>8286508
Those conventions are filled with reddit onions more like.

>>8287205
>sega chads always post evidence that chad means something different when used alongside sega
Gave up my last crt around 2004. Never looked back. Sure older games were designed with pixel blur etc in mind, and can look better with it. Worth the problems and extra junk needed. Not in everyone's post kondo world

>>8286753
fair enough

>>8287205
You don;' need to lie. You just need to not show the tiny arm you don't fap with.

>>8278095
>(from a bomb to creating the higgs bossom)
Retards like you give gamers a bad reputation.
Read a book you fucking nigger.

kek it never gets old seeing midlife crisis anons having their crt melties

>>8278286
haven't you played ff8? the image is 1:1

>>8289090
it said, in a threadfull of zoomer poorfag cope