/vr/ - Retro Games

Great game

it's good

>>8276859
Why is this jump so fucking hard! Wait... You can just walk over it!? What a shitload of fuck

>>8276859
Not as bad as some might say, but not as good as some might feel compelled to claim in turn.

shovelware

Impossible to beat. I tried and gave up even with save states. Cool game though, definitely worth a shot.

>>8276859
It’s pretty good

4 Raphaels

>>8276859
S O U L

>>8276970
Look again

>>8276859
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING????

>>8276859
One of the best NES games

>>8276859
Had this as a kid. It was one of the few games I owned and I'm pretty sure it's the reason I'm now mentally ill. Though it was cool being able to switch between the different turtles. I never really made it far in the game. I feel like the NES was often a shitty console for kids. The games were hardcore on a level zoomers wouldn't understand. Trying to beat Castlevania III right now and the water section of stage nine is kicking me in the nuts.

>>8277297
You can skip most of that room with Grant

>>8277297
>The games were hardcore on a level zoomers wouldn't understand.
That's funny because "zoomers" are the ones getting speedrun records on all of your favorite games.
>inb4 kneejerk reaction to the world speedrun, "t-they spend hours upon hours to git gud, it doesn't count when people I don't like do it!"

>>8277297
I have Sypha. Haven't used her at all though. I didn't even think about it until I hit this room.

>>8276995
Sorry friend but it looks like you posted the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. We're talking about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

>>8277317
Im not that anon but, playing NES in 1989 with only word of mouth or sometimes magazines as information sources is not the same as playing NES in 2021. Oh and zoomers gaming on NES is cool with me

>>8277317
I'm talking about the average kid that didn't grow up with these games anon. You're kidding yourself if you think the average gamer now is doing speedruns. Hell, I can count on one hand the number of kids I grew up with that actually beat a single NES game. That doesn't change the fact that these games are hardcore on a level that is not common anymore.
>inb4 "muh Cuphead" or "muh Dark Souls"

>>8277317
All zoomers are speedrunners? HOLY FUCK, no wonder they're so retarded! This explains everything! The stupid hair, terrible fashion, the lack of musical taste, and the autism needed to play games like a retard instead of normally!

>>8277352
>and the autism needed to play games like a retard instead of normally
Should've replaced all that cope with a simple "I can't git gud enough to even master my favorite games please rape my face"

>>8277346
Dark Souls is only about as hard as Zelda 2. CV3, GnG, Adventure Island, NG, Contra on loops after loop 1 and without the code, etc. And these are famous ones, best sellers. Made for "casuals" of the day.

>>8277359
If you're sequence-breaking and using glitches to speed through the game like a pre-programmed computer, you're not skilled or talented. You have a hard-wired response that's been burned into the memory in your mind tied to reflexive action that is only made possible because you have a retarded brain. There's a good reason speedrunners don't have lives beyond their hobby/competition. Too mentally fucked to do anything else but pull off NPC tasks in games.

The shit doesn't impress me. It's not amazing. Juggling fire is amazing.

>>8277375
It's almost like there are entire categories dedicated to legit, glitchless runs. But I know young people being infinitely better at you than those games you spent your whole life playing makes you feel irrelevant and out of place so you lash out like this. It's fine, you do not need to get out of your comfort zone, you don't actually need to get good to have your casual fun, because apparently putting in effort in a game is autistic and evil and only zoomers do it but not when it fits your narrative.

>>8277297
Literally use any character except trevor in this room.

>>8276896
I beat it when I was 8, git gud

>>8277509
I beat it when I was 3. I smirk at your inadequacy.

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>>8277520
I beat it while a mere unrealized figment of pre-life potential swimming in shared ancestral memories. Maybe Angry Birds is more your speed, lads.

>>8276859
It suckin' fucks, it fuckin' sucks, it fucking blows, it's a piece of shit... and I don't like it
Did I remember the quote right?

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>>8277532
ok but what is the verdict

>>8277396
I don't care about people being better than me. I SUCK, it's not an accomplishment to be better than me at games. But I hate how this speedrunning culture has allowed people to come in and shit on retro gaming in general. Here on /vr/ we don't have that issue but almost every place else is full of this shit. It's taking the fun out of the hobby and turning it into a shitty "sport" with drama.

>>8276859
It's not top tier Konami, but it's still the best Ninja Turtles game

the idea of beating a game you like quickly is fine but every speedrunner i've ever encountered is a deluded narcissist jerking themselves off for playing a video game wrong. having the fastest time doesn't mean you're the best at the game, and having the fastest time in the only 3 items and 4 bosses category certainly doesn't either

>>8277346
NES games I have beaten:

>SMB
>SMB2
>Mega Man 1
>Dragon Quest 1

And one of those doesn't require any reflexes to play it. Other stuff like SMB3, Double Dragon, Bad Dudes, and Castlevania were too much for me and I've made it to mid-game at most on all of those.

Also on that note, SMB2 was the most fun and arguably least sadistic one I've played. It's challenging but never unfair and doesn't subject you to cheap bullshit deaths like most of the other games.

Hard as hell game

I beat it back then, but its bad because its too hard for the target audience, kids. Graphics are okay. Music is fine. Gameplay is....eh. Difficulty is through the roof. I didn't have fun with my accomplishment. Felt like a war of attrition where even winning felt like losing.

interviews with NES programmers have some of them saying "of course we playtested the games a lot so we got good at them" so I suppose they didn't really put much thought into the fact that literal grade schoolers who didn't quite have adult reflexes yet would be playing them

Also I recall reading that someone complained that Katakis on C64 was too hard and Manfred Trenz was like "what? I can beat it on a single life" but was eventually convinced to lower the difficult a bit

>>8276859
>All red bandanas
>No turtle theme music
>Nonsensical enemy characters.
>No use of cannon TMNT characters
>Seal of Quality.
It's mediocre at best.

>>8277603
SMB3 is like that. It's perfectly fair in Worlds 1 and 2 but by World 3 it turns into a Skinner box disguised as a video game. Some parts like 3-3 and 3-6 would take me like 10, 15, or 20 attempts to beat them if I didn't ragequit first.

Barbie is one of the best NES Trojan Horses there is. Sure, there are games like Double Dragon or Gradius II that you expect to twist your sanity but you'd never guess it here. Oh this is just shovelware for 7 year old girls how hard can it...then you realize the programmers completely forgot the audience for this thing was 7 year old girls.

>>8277578
>And one of those doesn't require any reflexes to play it
no wonder Japanese love RPGs so much. you just click on menus and no actual skill is required.

>>8277614
>All red bandanas
>Nonsensical enemy characters
Just like the Mirage Comics.
>No use of cannon (sic) TMNT characters
Which canon? The Mirage Comics had the same amount of bat shit designs as the Fred Wolf cartoon. It strikes me as weird they used Bebop, Rocksteady, and Techno drome which were made for the Fred Wolf cartoon, but no Krang fighting. The game was made before the cartoon was widely shown in Japan. If you check the Japanese manual, it claims April is Splinter's sister (really). So Konami had really shitty references to make it work.

>>8277642
The Japanese are the masters of the hardest genre of gaming, the Shmup. RPGs are a lot more mental than physical and people with higher IQ can enjoy them, whereas dumbasses can't appreciate them and only play reflexive shit. Dumbasses can't do shmups well because on top of mad hand-eye coord and reflexes, you need a great memory intelligence too.

>>8277654
Wait didn't they modify the Famicom release of Battletoads to be easier and they never did bring Wizardry 4 over there because too hard?

>>8277672
Wait, didn't they refuse to bring SMB2 over to the US because the dude running NoA said it was too hard for westerners?
You find that back and forth all over the place back then.

BTW, thank GOD we got a reskinned game instead of the actual SMB2, as our SMB2 is now one of the greatest games ever made.

>>8276995
>mikey has a sai

NO NO NO NOT LIKE THIS

>>8277672
Interestingly, Mario 2 was really the only game for the NES that was denied a release because it was too hard. Philips knew Mario was extremely important to the brand and couldn’t fuck it up early with a brutal meme sequel. I doubt he gave a shit about anything else. You’re more likely to find a game that was altered for Japan because it’s too hard than you are for the same thing to happen in America

>>8277719
There are plenty of other games like Section Z that are as bad as SMB2j that got passed by NOA so that alone isn't a reason. The real deal was more that the game was an "expansion pack" for veteran SMB players and didn't offer anything substantially new being the same game engine and all. Howard Phillips had suggested to some NOJ guy that they just localize DDP instead and he agreed. The other thing is that Shiggy was actually involved with developing DDP while he had absolutely nothing to do with SMB2j.

>>8277578
I suspect some of it has to do with age range at the time. I think I was 8 when I got my NES. I know my cousins, teenagers, had beat more games. Hell, I think the SNES might have been out when my best friend had started beating some NES games. I remember him beating Battletoads. That was kind of insane. I could get through the chase scene that was it.

>>8277590
It was my fave when I was a kid. I didn't own it though. Only beat SMB3 as an adult.

>>8276859
Not bad, but it is fucking hard and the non-NES ports suck cocks but that goes without saying.

>>8276859
The TMNT phenomenon at the time was based on the TV show. The arcade games were actually based on the show, so they delivered. This did not deliver so well. And the controls were more than a bit frustrating. So it was somewhat disappointing to me as a kid.
Setting that aside, just as a game, it's OK. The graphics are OK. The music is decent. The gameplay is somewhat frustrating, but you can get used to it. I can think of a hundred other NES games I'd rather play, though.

>>8276863
This, so much this.

>>8277306
Who still has Grant at that point in the game?

>>8276859
I had it when I was like 6, got BTFO by the water level and eventually gave up. Pretty fun up until that though

A terrible game that everyone you knew owned, simply because it was TMNT and that was the fucking shit at the time

I have a lot of nostalgia for it but its really a piece of shit with few redeeming qualities.

Thankfully both 2 and Manhattan project are kino as fuck so it all evens out.

>>8276970
Original TMNT all had red eyemasks.
The color coding for them came years later for the cartoon to help kids tell them apart.

>>8276859
My parents got in to a terrible argument the first day I had this game. I heard my mother hiss at my father that she hated him and he called her a bitch. They just said mean shit to each other while I laid in bed sweating. The next morning I got up and played this before getting dropped off at my grandmas house for the day.

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>>8278084
It's blatant "abject difficulty to produce sales and discourage temporary lending".
Not just because of the water level, but you have stupid shit like the spike trap which you'll NEVER succeed at the first time.
We all bought it because Turtles, but I never met someone who glowingly enjoyed the game. It was fun to dick around with the different turtles though.

>>8277346
I beat a LOT of nes games when they were bespoke with only Nintendo power and an uncles help.

I beat final fantasy, contra, crystalis, dragon warrior, monster party, castlevania 3, megaman 2 and 3, Hudson adventure island, etc. I beat so many.

Cowafuckingpieceofdogshit.

>>8276859
My first game ever. It was great except for the last level which is beyond retarded in term of difficulty.

Reminder that the game remained in favourite games listing (Nintendo Power or others) for a very long time.

>>8278583
Yeah its turles

>>8278646
>Yeah its spiderman
>Yeah its superman

Sorry, doesn't work.

>>8276859
I'm playing ut right now since Mike Matei made it look fun in one of his streams but it feels kinda stiff to control and I hate how you go so fast, you almost outrun the screen and this makes you vulnerable to enemies suddenly barging into the screen

>>8278271
And the colors have stuck with every new form of TMNT media since.

>>8278271
All the changes were conceived for the toy line (even the cartoon was basically fasttracked to sell the line to doubtful retailers). They also judiciously removed the turtles' tails besides adding the signature mask and skin colors which would be carried over into the show.

>>8277606
There were plenty of NES games that were easy enough for grade schoolers to get pretty far in like the Chip and Dale games. It's just that back the children were more masculine then some of the adults are today so they had culture where the hardest games were celebrated and sought out.

I'll repeat that again. There were children who were more hardcore then the grown men soys of today. And the kids that didn't want to be hardcore had games for them to play but they didn't go around whining that they couldn't beat ninja gaiden and it needed an easy mode, that level of faggotry had yet to be invented.

>>8277606
>adult reflexes

The idea that kids are worse at games than adults is a very modern idea and a false one. Kids have faster reflexes, they learn more easily, see how every expert will tell you it's easier to learn a language when you're a kid? It's not just languages, it's everything. And kids have a lot more free time for practice.

Also beating a game was seen as a privilege you have to earn, unlike today when everyone thinks they're entitled to see the ending because they paid for the game and if somehow you need to get good along the way they're so entitled they'll scream "bad game design" or "how were you supposed to know ?!"

It's a shit load of fuck

>>8279074
what were they THINKING

8-bit games in general tended to be quite brutally hard because programmers were still working from an arcade quarter muncher approach fo game design and a lot of it was just sloppy programming due to deadlines, programming in assembly language, and having limited debugging tools. Sometimes it was the inherent design of the hardware. While some 8-bit systems had hardware collision detection the NES didn't; you had to do this in software which was more complicated and unreliable.

>>8279207
Given Super Mario Bros. predates almost every "Nintendo Hard" game and except for a couple obtuse sections that's a perfectly accessible game from a modern standpoint, I'd say you're cutting the developers of the average licensed crap like this way too much of a break.

>>8277698
better than a grappling hook at least

>>8276995
For me, it's heroic turtles. Ninjas are overrated.

>>8277317
>"zoomers" are the ones getting speedrun records on all of your favorite games.
Aren't these mostly millennials? Speedrunning isn't a very zoomerish activity

>>8277317
>getting speedrun records

>>8276859
7/10. Creative level design, lots of enemies, Excellent music, relatively fair, burdened by occasionally annoying hitboxes. probably a bit rushed to market but still pretty good.

>>8278967
>The idea that kids are worse at games than adults is a very modern idea and a false one.
I noticed this the most when I hit Dracula in multiple Castlevania games. I find myself memorizing timing instead of reacting because my reflexes aren't great.Thing is, I could never have beat these games as a kid. I didn't have the stubborn streak and games (bosses in particular) set off my anxiety ridiculously bad.

>>8279207
Git Gud

>>8277317
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>>8279465

More importantly, there's still people that don't realize most speedruns (and records) are done using emulators, slow motion and savestates?

Golly huck!

>>8279207
What youtube video is this from?

>>8277396
It really isn't surprising in the least. At the time we had the console, a tv and if you were lucky a magazine with some tips and tricks.

We didn't have computers to watch our replays, look into game data, record our times or any of the advantages speed runners have today. We also didn't get to sit at home all day in our mom's house at 25 years old playing games.

Nobody I knew lived at home until 20. Everyone was out in the real world working and getting their lives together.

If I really wanted to quit my job and no life a game speedrunning on twitch while mooching off my family I'm sure I could keep up just fine. But why the hell would I want to? I'm quite content with 3D life.

>>8281487
>there's still people that don't realize most speedruns (and records) are done using emulators,
idk about "most" but there are people who go buy china black market scam consoles to run nintendo games 5% faster than the original but somehow emulators are off limits
>slow motion and savestates?
no, this would be considered cheating

>>8283146
>no, this would be considered cheating

Real speedrunners "train" with savestates and slow motion on emulators before they record their "real" runs on "real" hardware

People who do 1CC and scoring runs of arcade games do the same

>>8283470
oh i thought you meant that they were loading save states to make a world record run
yes, having a save state at a particular part of the game is more efficient for practice than having to replay the entire game perfectly to reach that point

>>8278781
Kino design, these are my favorite version of the Turtles, then the first 4 episodes of the series

>>8278271
Tmnt comics fucking sucked and nobody gave a shit about them.

>>8278273
Lol @ your bitch father. Imagine ever taking a woman's word seriously.

>>8278273
That brings back memories anon. Those kinds of nights really suck as a kid. I remember one where I could hear my dad yelling at his alcoholic, cheating girlfriend going on about cutting himself up, or killing himself for her. I remember the next day he had cuts all over his forearm. I asked him about them knowing what had happened. He lied and told me he got injured at work. He was actually a really great dad, but he had his moments. It was worse when my mother was still around.

>>8278279
Nice. I would never have beat those. I was between the ages of eight and ten I think when I had my NES. Older cousins beat some games. How old were you when you beat those?

>>8277450
I powered through with Trevor. I had Sypha, but I beat the game without using her for anything except the doppleganger fight. That room with Trevor is the hardest thing I've ever faced in a video game. Not going to lie. I have no intention of ever playing a game harder than this one.

>>8276864
Not really.