/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8274865
let me guess
you "need" more

>>8274865
Anyone know a nice and small flatscreen that's good for using the retrotink5x or similar with? Can't find many TVs that aren't fuckhueg

>>8274865
>Find D-Series on FB.
>ask if it was powered on recently and if picture is still good
>guy sends me picture of TV on, and says he'll hook something up to it and send a picture this week
>next day
>check listing
>its sold
Pain

Anon that was having the problem with the RCA cable distorting visuals/colors: let it all just sit for a few hours and it all works fairly normal again. Still gonna replace the cable but was fun to mess around with it a bit more. Hylics 2 looks stellar on here.

>>8274901
Looks scarily close to my gf, down to the same shirt and shoes.

>>8274939
You sound like a lucky man

>>8274939
Lucky man. I hope you are enjoying her “perfect geometry” haha if you catch my drift

New to crts, what are some good cheap speakers I can use for one? Non-shielded ones can mess up the image right?

I finally found a flat screen CRT here in bumfuck nowhere, and I love it... but the geometry issues are infuriating. I fixed it to the best of my abilities (ie none) in the service menu but I still see significant bowing vertical and horizontal close to the edges except top. I'm just going to accept this is the best it can do before I lose days tweaking it.

>>8275028
Don’t waste time fixing geometry unless you have something expensive like a PVM. Just embrace the SOUL imperfections.

>>8275004
Just keep any old shelf speaker a moderate distance away from the tv. They don't really make shielded speakers anymore and you could buy vintage ones but it can be hard to tell what's shielded

Do lagless progressive scan consumer tv sets exist? I understand that there are lagless 480p monitors with VGA input, but what CRT would be ideal for games with progressive component output? I know there are progressive tv's with component input, but do any have no lag? Or do you need to convert from component to VGA for laglessness?

>>8274891
i had a similar colorbleed issue
it ended up being a faulty outlet
try it in another room

>>8275301
it also threw geometry off on every single crt i owned

all still work and function properly if used on a different circuit breaker
its an old house
weird

>>8275301
this looks like it needs degaussing which you probably did by turning off the power
>>8274891
this looks more like ether a bad connection or cable

>>8275301
>>8275304
different crt
worst photo
but u can still see the "tilt"

I have literally never seen or heard of this in my entire life should I contact the landlord?

>>8275306
The issue disappears if I use a proper outlet in another room anon

>>8275301
I'm glad you seem to have solved your issue but honestly that doesn't look like the work of a faulty outlet. Color issues like this can appear or disappear depending on how the CRT is oriented in a room, if the tube has been magnetized.

>>8275309
they ALL do it
in the same spot

the only thing i can think of that i added was a 5G router?

>>8275314
its a poltergeist isnt it

>>8275306
also worth mentioning
although it's hard to see in the photo the tilt is on that pink one as well


I'm considering buying a power conditioner

>>8275308
so you moved it back to check if it did it again on the same outlet?
if so it means the outlet could be causing a magnetic interference

>>8275329
power conditioner?
simply changing the outlet with a newer one would most likely fix it
Pretty sure EMI is caused by a grounding and neutral isolation issue

>>8275386
yes all outlets in the bedroom do this
i have stopped using small crt in that room bc of this

should i contact the landlord?
the only thing that has changed is the router and its been very rainy

>>8275394
i checked polarity / voltage in all outlets when i first moved in with my fluke multimeter

everything seemed fine :(

>>8275397
doesn't seem like that would do that, something odd to check
which way is the CRT facing in either room

>>8275329
PowerVar brand power conditioners are pretty cheap on ebay. Just get one and see if it helps/

>>8275063
Generally they're heavier, but good speakers are heavy anyway so it's a big ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>8275306
Mine’s definitely a bad cable, if the colors get flipped and distorted REALLY bad again I’ll take a picture to post as an example. Right now its… oookay but pretty grainy and some minor distortion. Fun look though.

>>8274865
My CRT's fucked, scart connections are horribly fucked up so I have to use RF

>>8275556
Another thing to consider, what resolution are you sending the HDMI converter and does it accept it?

>>8275038
this
Do you think 10 year old kids were accessing their tv's service menus? do you think devs were expecting everyone to have perfect screen geometry. cut that shit out and play old games.

I've had this CRT for a few weeks.
However, the geometry isn't exactly the best (although I can still stand it) and the screen seems to have blue lines at the left and yellow ones at the upper right edge. What do you think is the reason behind this problem? And can it be fixed without having to get a technician to repair it?
The model is apparently a Sony KV-25FS120, but outside of having its magnets made to work in the Southern Hemisphere it's a KV-24FS120 produced in May 2004 .
inb4 flat crt

>>8276259
go into the service menu and adjust the geometry and overscan

Anybody want an HP P1110? Giving mine away for free.

>>8276493
where?
are you gonna murder me?

>>8276439
Thanks anon. I've been using a a universal remote for a while, though. It works perfectly with my CRT, but I don't trust myself to use that for adjusting as opposed to the OEM one.

>>8275314
yeah I don't know anon, I don't doubt your experience, just saying I've seen things like this before but not for the specific reason you're stating. The 5G router is certainly a possibility, but I've never seen anything but magnetic interference manifest itself that way.

>>8276494
Toronto. Don’t plan on killing anyone, just tired of the autistic CRT hoarders on Kijiji who set up scripts to alert them the second something is available.

I just want it to go to someone who will appreciate the picture and not just allow the thing to sit on a shelf collecting dust.

trying to get amd card (radeon r9 360, dvi to vga to component) to output 480i to consumer wega but CRU resolutions wouldnt show up in display settings nd when i made an interlaced custom res it made my main monitor start flickering a ton and resetting my mouse each time and i had to use cru restart to make it normal again. and it did nothing for the display on my crt. and then the flickering shit started happening again while i was typing this. any comprehensive guides on How to do this?

>>8275004
Best Buy's 20 dollar Insignia speakers are shielded.

>>8276259
>What do you think is the reason behind this problem? And can it be fixed without having to get a technician to repair it?
That's caused by bad convergence. You might be able to correct it using the convergence settings in the service menu or by inserting magnets known as convergence strips into the deflection yoke surrounding the neck of the tube.

>>8276595
>don't trust myself to use that for adjusting as opposed to the OEM one
why? don't see how it would be an issue besides not being able to get into the service menu in the first place
just write down everything before you change it
if you fuck up just disconnect the tv and try again, DON'T factory reset the values
>>8276607
ok i'm on my way
but for real, what you're doing is commendable and I hope the tube can find a good owner
FUCK HOARDERS AND FUCK SCALPERS

>>8276259
Curious if anybody else here has opinions on this guy, but his videos have been incredibly helpful for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAbqucrWHjU

>>8276943
>why? don't see how it would be an issue besides not being able to get into the service menu in the first place
I see. It's a shame for me to be still using the universal remote for so long even if it works perfectly given how I can find legit ones for 5 dollars easily.
>just write down everything before you change it
This was exactly what I was planning to do. Is there anything else people recommend to use when checking geometry? I'd use 240p Test Suite, but the only console with it that I have at hand is a PS1 that reads legit discs half the fucking time, if at all. And my PS2 is just piss garbage at reading PS1 discs as well, especially since everything else runs just fine in it.
>if you fuck up just disconnect the tv and try again, DON'T factory reset the values
I've been keeping the TV plugged in since my relatives say that the CRT is more likely to malfunction if I plug it on and off repeatedly (nevermind that when I first heard about it, it sounded like a myth, as I always unplug my consoles whenever I finish using them). Factory resetting is a no no for me, now that I think about it. Can't trust 17 year old tech.
>>8277043
>Curious if anybody else here has opinions on this guy, but his videos have been incredibly helpful for me.
I watched one of his videos today, and it was pretty helpful as well.

Also have another picture that shows the blue convergence better. The TV also has a blue tint when it starts up, but it disappears with time and calibrates decently about 3 minutes after pressing the power button.

>>8277143
You need to adjust the yoke. It's not seated properly which is causing the bad convergence and tilt.

>>8277143
>240p Test Suite
You can run it on a SNES or Mega Drive emulator on a PS2 if you have FMCB. Don't know if it runs 100% flawlessly, but all the grids and patterns displayed correctly in the MD version when I messed around in my Trinitron's service menu.

>>8277157
>You need to adjust the yoke. It's not seated properly which is causing the bad convergence and tilt.
Unfortunately, I can't repair a TV. However, now that I think about it, it was moved upstairs by a single person, so there is a chance that was the reason beyond just wear and tear.
>>8277324
>You can run it on a SNES or Mega Drive emulator on a PS2 if you have FMCB. Don't know if it runs 100% flawlessly, but all the grids and patterns displayed correctly in the MD version when I messed around in my Trinitron's service menu.
Thanks anon. I do have FMCB on my PS2, so I'll try that then.

There's a glowing white border on the left side. Anyone know how to fix this or what the issue might be?

bump

>>8276943
Yeah I will keep dropping in from time to time to let people know they can have it. But eventually it has to go, because I am just not using it and I have already started my hoarding tendencies (I have two Trinitrons and a Viewsonic shadow mask), so if it comes down to selling it then I will have no choice but to do so. Obviously not many Torontofags frequent the CRT threads, I guess when you live in a 200 sqft HomePod that cost $700,000, it’s a bit hard to find space for a leaded glass tube.

I also have a small CRT television up for grabs.

Any good metal tv stands you guys know of?

>>8274939
I'm sure I have those same clothes in my closet. Chucks are black, though.

>>8280268
>average person owns jeans and tshirts and sneakers
really makes you think...

>>8280278
It's certainly activating MY almonds.

>>8280228

How much better do scalers really help, with flatscreens? Are they really good enough if you can't make room for a CRT or something? Are they still dogshit for PS1?

>>8280326
Like scanlines or just scaling the image?

>>8280331
Both, honestly. I see people talking about the Retrotink but I can't tell if they mean downscaling it for an old CRT or if they're using it for a flatscreen. People seem to go crazy about it, but also in the same thread say that CRTs are the only way to go, so I'm just confused as to if they see it as a worthy alternative or not.

>>8280346
Duckstation's scanlines are pretty good. Try that.

>>8280347
I've tried it, it's neat, I'm just wondering why the Retrotink 5x gets so much love

>>8280416
Retrotink and MiSTer can do some processing of their video feed to do some things that are slightly harder with software emulation. The main issue with doing it in emulators is that you're at the mercy of both the emulation side doing it right and whatever the hell your gpu and monitor decide to do with the signal.

>>8280424
Added to that, retrotink is more worthwhile for actual consoles. If you're already emulating on a pc, there's no reason to use it. Your gpu can scale just fine.

>>8280424
I've seen that it does wonders for stuff like Master System or Genesis games, but I'm guessing at the end of the day, even if it's scaled well, it won't gel as well with the Saturn or that entire generation because of the overwhelming reliance on the CRT scanlines to actually make it look good, right?
Heard people talk about those de-dithering programs in response, but can't help but wonder if that would just hurt it more.

>>8280426
Mostly want to know since I'm a nutso and I'm crazy about all those physical add-ons for consoles. Emulating the pocketstation and all that just doesn't feel the same, but I don't blame others who play like that.

>>8280228
I'm wondering the same thing.
I have a 32in Panasonic ct-32d11e that I would like to put on a more portable stand so I can wheel it around my room a bit easier. I can move the set fine enough by lifting it but I would like something that I can shit between like 2 positions (facing my comfy chair and facing my bed) easily. I was looking at the "Honey Can Do 2-Tier Media Cart" and while the physical dimensions are perfect for my setup I don't trust the weight ratings I'm getting. I'm not sure what the TV weighs exactly but it feels heavier than 150lbs which it's supposedly rated at.

>>8277632
Looks like the issue is that you’re using a CRT. Get used to it.

>>8281030
zoom zoom

>>8277632
Move the border of the image off-screen so you can't see it, it's most likely sync-related I formation not intended to be displayed

Just picked up a pvm 14n5u, and when turning it on it goes from purple to a strong green tint. I tried factory resetting it, but I had no luck there. How do I fix this?

>>8282567
Purple

>>8282567
turn down the green drive. Do you have anything plugged in?

>>8282623
I do, yeah, but it does the same thing with nothing plugged in

>>8282567
have you tried fucking with the phase? That's what goes green-purple so it's a start

>>8282728
Yes, but it doesn’t seem to do anything.

>>8282623
I think I’ve found the right setting, but there’s still a noticeable green tint even on the lowest setting.

>>8282778
also green bias, then. But display some color bars so you don't fuck up the other colors by changing these

>>8282975
Seems to be about 90% fixed which I guess is good enough. I’ll recap the whole thing and fully calibrate it (any maybe rgb mod too) when I get some more time

>>8283139
Pic

>>8282778
>green tint
Likely a shorted tube. Your monitor is fucked, anon.

>>8282778
>Green Tinge?
If you notice a "green tinge" to greys and blacks, do the "Image Restore" procedure above. But first, raise the Brightness setting for your monitor appreciably above where you'd normally like it. Then, do the "Image Restore" operation.
https://hardforum.com/threads/24-widescreen-crt-fw900-from-ebay-arrived-comments.952788/
wonder if it's a similar issue

>>8283314
Seriously? What makes you think that?
Also, the it seems to get less green the longer I leave it on/the more warmed up it is.

>>8283936
I had a PVM that would become tinted red after warming up. Took it to a guy and he determined that there was a short in the CRT. Not saying that's what has happened to yours, but it's something to consider.

>>8275258
Sounds like you want an EDTV. I’ve never personally used one but from what I understand the whole point was that they were 480p native.

>>8284109
but can you confirm that lagless models exist?

>>8284158
You sound like a smashfag

Think I can fix this with convergence strips? Degaussing Tool helped but did not fix completely

>>8275258
Just run 480i component and then you don't have to worry about it.

>>8284784
Just keep hitting it with the cool and if it doesn't go away it might be a purity issue related to the seating of the yoke

Are oscilloscope tubes fundamentally different from monochrome TV and monitor tubes? I'm thinking about buying a NOS USSR-made oscilloscope tube and building a small monitor around it. Not for use with games, but for use as a computer terminal monitor or something like that.

>>8285439
I don't see a reason why this wouldn't work. As long as the tube can get a steam of electrons going you can manipulate it externally however you want

>>8285568
Is figuring out the pinout of the tube straight-forward? Data sheets are seldom available (even for tubes from like Hitachi or NEC that you sometimes find NOS) and I'm afraid I'll just end up damaging it.

>>8284784
>Convergence strips
Yeah that could help. You could also try rotating the tube a bit if your setup allows for it.

>>8285634
If it has the neck board there should be some labeling on it, otherwise I would take a look at a couple different kinds of monochrome monitor service manuals to get a feel for the standards/tells

I wish there was a switcher that lets you mix and match Component and S-Video.

>>8285991
Actually I just realized this is retarded since those inputs exist as separate channels on the TV. Ignore me.

Haven't posted in /crt/ for a bit. A Sony KV25XBR fell into my lap recently, and I finally got around to making a cable for the RGB input. It's not as sharp as my PVM, but it's in good shape for its age, and the extra 5 inches of screen space make all the difference.

>>8285318
Yeah, kept doing it and it's mostly better. Still shows up in regular games. My wand started getting to hot to use

>>8285672
Gonna be my next step, I've been in back of a few CRTs to adjust that or this so I'm not super new to it

>>8286051
Wish Sony made better speakers

>>8286461
They're far from the worst. A lot of their mid-range stuff from 15 to 20-ish years ago is actually pretty solid, and usually goes for free or cheap specifically because Sony isn't a big name for speakers.

I actually got a set of old APMs off ebay not too long ago, from a seller who had mistakenly listed them as something else. The stupid dipshit also didn't know how to pack speakers, unfortunately, because they arrived completely destroyed and I had to send them back for a refund. What a fucking waste.

> my cables still haven't shipped
Aaaaaa

what do you guys use for entertainment stands for your TVs? Problem nowadays is that because flat-screens are the norm and don't take up much depth, entertain systems have shrunk accordingly, meaning it's hard to find furniture to put CRTs on, especially in the 27-32" range

>>8287827
Is that new old stock?

>>8287871
Unfortunately no. It was opened and used, but that guy had everything except the original remote saved in pretty good condition.

>>8287861
Could use bedside drawers.

>>8287861
An old entertainment center
I have a cabinet and entertainment console from the 60s or 70s that do the job fine and look nice

Are there any schematics out there for how to convert an RGB signal to monochrome video so that I can connect various color 8-bit computers to a monochrome monitor? I've heard you can do this with some simple resistors but I can't find any exact schematics for it.

>>8288034
Get an RGB to component transcoder and just use the green plug? It carries luma and sync, which is essentially monochrome video.

>>8288047
Those are sorta expensive and I have no need for one for any other purpose, it should be much cheaper to simply build this myself. A little while ago I saw some schematic for how to do this, but I can't find it now and it was also specifically for converting VGA to greyscale which might not work for stuff like the ZX Spectrum which used TV standards.

is it true americans cope with their shitty video ports on consumer TVs saying RF is the way the devs intended?

>>8288034
does the monitor just use a standard RCA input for the luma? If so you should just be able to plug in the composite video and use that. Or use a s-video adapter that breaks it out into two RCA jacks for chroma/luma and use the luma from that.

Is the device you're using RGB-only?

>>8288093
>does the monitor just use a standard RCA input for the luma?
Yeah.
>If so you should just be able to plug in the composite video and use that.
But then it will be less sharp than a if it was actual monochrome video.
>Or use a s-video adapter that breaks it out into two RCA jacks for chroma/luma and use the luma from that.
There's no S-Video on the device, there's just no demand for that in a ZX Spectrum clone since most people interested in them live in the UK or Spain where RGB is commonly available.
>Is the device you're using RGB-only?
No, there is both RGB and composite. It's the Harlequin 128k which is a modern ZX Spectrum clone. I actually haven't gotten it yet, I'm getting a monochrome monitor first, they're a bit hard to find here compared to the US.

>>8288105
Unfortunately then it's going to require some kind of transcoder like the other anon said. It's been a while since I've bought mine, but I assume those CSY2100 clones still go for like ~40-50 bucks, no? Not that I'd like to get one JUST for this one niche purpose (although I think it's handy to have for other reasons), but I don't think there's going to be a cheaper/easier way than that. Besides using composite, but then like you said you lose sharpness.

>>8288118
Alright, I guess the transcoder is always an option, but I'll look around a bit more because I know there are much simpler mechanisms for converting RGB to monochrome video out there. I'll see if I can find that schematic for converting VGA to monochrome and see if it will work for 50 and 60hz TV standards as well.

>>8288126
I'm no engineer, but theoretically it should be a really simple thing that just combines R+G+B to get the overall amount of light, then probably have the voltage stepped down, then the sync combined back in. Probably something you could even do yourself if you're able to find schematics and have soldering tools.

But if you need to buy a device, it really depends on how much that would cost relative to an RGB/YPbPr transcoder. Because if it's only, oh say, 10 bucks more, you might as well get that instead since it does everything the luma transcoder would do while also being more versatile for other applications if need be.

>>8288138
>but theoretically it should be a really simple thing that just combines R+G+B to get the overall amount of light, then probably have the voltage stepped down, then the sync combined back in. Probably something you could even do yourself if you're able to find schematics and have soldering tools.
Exactly, hence why I'm trying to find schematics. It sounds like a very simple thing. I already have access to soldering equipment.
>Because if it's only, oh say, 10 bucks more, you might as well get that instead since it does everything the luma transcoder would do while also being more versatile for other applications if need be.
Well, even if cost wasn't really a concern, a device that only condenses down RGB to monochrome video would be smaller and might not require an external power source. I have no need for converting RGB to YpBpR since equipment that takes that signal is virtually non-existent in countries where SCART was in use.

>>8288145
Fair enough, looks like a DIY job is the best option. But it's such a niche use case that I don't think you'll have an easy time finding the appropriate schematics.

Maybe see if you can find schematics for a component transcoder and just look at the luma line to see what they're doing there. Probably won't be that simple but worth a shot. Regardless, best of luck searching.

>>8288152
Yeah, I've been considering simply cutting down a component transcoder to the luma line. Thanks for your advice either way.

>>8288034
You can just use the composite output from any retro computer on a monochrome display with generally good results. Pic related is an Atari 8-bit with plain old composite.
>>8288051
If you have a composite mod on your spectrum it will work fine, just adjust the v. sync for 50hz. I've done this recently as well, I just have to turn the brightness up to compensate for color text being very dark due to the monochrome display. No pic of that atm, but maybe I can hook it back up.

Hi, i have come acrross an offer for a sony projection TV for about 80 bucks, would it be good for a modded nintendo wii? Sony KP-43T70 43" Projection TV this is the model, please help me out, sorry for my english it is not my native tongue

>>8287861
I made my own console with home depot lumber.

>>8274865
>CRTs are Cute
CUTE

>>8288865

>>8284784
Convergence strips fix convergence, not purity issues like that one. Curved trinitrons can be a pain. Reseating the yoke is best, but it involves setting up the convergence again after that. And it's not a guaranteed fix.

If you can't or don't want to get it right with the yoke, Sony themselves would recommend using small disc magnets - probably shown in you service manual. You can open the case and try sticking them on the metal EFI shielding around the tube. Has to be done while the set is running, so be safe. Or you could just stick some on the outside of the case.

>>8284158
Of course they do. No telling which ones though, even if you have the service manuals. Consumer sets are shit like that. You'd need to either find something with testing behind it, or test for yourself.

>>8289112
People like to claim that consumer EDTV CRTs exist but I have never seen a single one, nor has anyone offered even a single model number of such

>>8289203
Aren't 100Hz TV's EDTV's? Or is that just processing, and they won't accept 480p input?

>rgb

>>8289216
100hz is just processing, they're still 576i/480i sets.

>>8289440
Based pic, fuck the RGB trannies

>>8289440
>letting some soiboy youtube channel affect your opinion of a video format that's been used for decades
kek

>>8289643
Not him, but I unironically allow YouTube videos and 4chan posts to dictate my opinions and beliefs. I've totally changed long-held beliefs and moral judgments based entirely on somebody making fun of me on the internet or some fat guy in a YouTube video telling me what to think.

>>8274881
>asking the seller to do literally anything instead of just showing up and taking a look for yourself
you deserve this

>>8289670
this is entirely retarded and so are you. form your own damn opinions through personal appraisal. dumbass.

>>8289440

>>8274865
This one's a 1998 Trinitron I took fairly recently

>>8290024

>>8275304
your deflection yoke is starting to fail

Is there much point in getting a CRT if I only want to play PS2 games?

>>8290187
it looks good

>>8275401
>>8275397
try a power conditioner maybe?

>>8290187
higher pixel refresh rate, higher contrast, lower input lag. these are just enhancements which aren't required to play or enjoy a game (for non-elitists). whether it's worth it or not is up to you. there are drawbacks to crts, like the whine (varies by set), the size and weight, and the cost of higher-end displays.

>>8288865
woah you got any photos of monster hunter running on that beast?

>>8290187
Vast majority of ps2 games are 480i-only, and interlaced video looks like shit on a flat panel. So there definitely is a benefit there. Alternatively if you have an early fat ps3 you can use HDMI, but I'm bot actually sure how PS3 actually handles PS2

>>8290187
Not really.
The Pixel FX guys are working on a PS2-Digital mod in the near future that will probably be mandatory for big PS2 fans. What their N64 mod does to the N64 right now is incredible, and with a next-gen FPGA handling even more advanced scanline filters on the PS2's wonky signals I don't think a CRT is a good investment. Especially since you can't just walk around and pick up a PVM these days.

>>8289440
>svideo

>>8287861
The key is just to know the numbers; deeper stands are out there, and weight limits are always listed. Plus, since CRTs are so front-heavy, you generally don't need a stand that will hold their entire depth, so make sure to measure how much space the actual feet for your TV set/monitor require. Back in the day, I used to have a 32 inch JVC on a stand that was only 17 inches deep. It was fine.

>>8287861
I use this nightstand. Its solid wood and can hold the weight of any CRT put on top of it. But really there are so many old CRT entertainment centers of craigslist that you don’t need to spend more than $40

>>8274939
Pls recreate this poster with your gf

>>8290691
>coomposite

>>8290781
Alternatively, if you search for "corner tv stands" you tend to see deeper, sturdier offerings.

>>8291025

>>8291043
I won't lie; I used RF for a majority of my childhood, and seeing that awful fuzz on the image immediately makes me nostalgic. Sometimes when the weather was bad, we'd get distortion on our cable TV signal, which would actually create enough feedback on our shitty RF switchbox to fuck up anything else connected to it, too. Good times.

I just got a free Sony KD 32FS130 that has 480i only for component. What would be the best way to display Wii/Gamecube games on it? If interlacing is really that bad should I get an S-video cable?

>>8291112
Interlacing is far less of an issue with scanlines. Going component is the best option even for 240p, but even S-Video is cleaner than composite. Composite should always be a last resort if you can help it. The jump from S-Video to component is minor compared to composite to s-video.

>>8291112
Interlacing is going to happen no matter what signal type you use, then. Not many 4:3 CRTs were capable of progressive scan.

>>8291120
>Interlacing is far less of an issue with scanlines.
not that anon, but... what?

>>8289440
kek
to be honest I don't see much of a point of RGB nowadays unless you're scaling it up to a modern tv, have some meme broadcast monitor or want to roleplay as a TV repair technician from the 90's. Consumer TV sets, especially flat screen CRTs, have so many small imperfections that I can't be assed to go anywhere beyond component anymore. I embrace the SOUL now.

>>8291185
If you live in a country where consumer RGB was widespread there's no reason to not use RGB if the console supports that out of the box, which is basically everything but the Famicom (which outputs composite straight from the chip) and the N64 (which is obviously RGB internally but for whatever reason they decided to not connect it. My main CRT doesn't take NTSC even though it's fine with 60hz, so if I connect anything to it through composite it's just going to be black and white.
>want to roleplay as a TV repair technician from the 90's
Not everyone is looking to larp, and most consoles even had official RGB cables available so it's not like this is not period accurate.

>>8291217
Oh yeah I forget about europe. In my country there was 1 (one) TV model out of all manufacturers that used SCART with RGB (guess there was a brief consideration to adopt it?). Yeah if your TV has the input from the get go, I see no reason not to use it.
My comment about repairman was mostly referring to people that mess with the deflection yoke, purity, convergence, etc. beyond the software service menu, on consumer grade equipment. Seems like a lot of effort for something that will never give an 100% correct image, but I could be wrong. That seems to be the case with flat screens at least.

>>8291235
>Oh yeah I forget about europe
Consumer RGB existed in Japan as well, it's only North America and Australia that didn't have it.
>In my country there was 1 (one) TV model out of all manufacturers that used SCART with RGB
If you're talking about RCA it's currently unknown if those SCART ports had RGB or not. But I'm pretty sure Bang & Olufsen kept their RGB-SCART ports on all their models even in the US. I have a service manual for my B&O and it gives details on the North American version but doesn't state that it has different inputs or anything like that, it's just the RF parts and the power supply that was different.

>>8289079
>masked babies

>>8288865
Why don't you peel that Energy Star sticker off of the white monitor?

>>8288865
I'm really jealous, I can't find any good VGA CRTs.

>>8291185
>I don't see much of a point in using the highest-quality analog video signal
Your logic of "it isn't worth it because CRTs are already full of imperfections" is kinda backward, because then wouldn't you at least want to use the highest-quality signal that inherently results in perfect brightness, contrast, and color purity to offset that as much as possible? Honestly those are the biggest assets of RGB, moreso than "muh sharp scanlines" that redditors wank over. Granted, unless you have a set or broadcast monitor capable of it's a bit silly to obsess over it, but whatevs.
>I can't be assed to go anywhere beyond component anymore
Did you mean composite? Because most /vr/ systems don't support component and would require some kind of transcoding from RGB to do that. And if you did mean composite, that's also silly, because the step up to S-video offers fantastic returns for minimal effort, and is readily available on most systems and consumer TVs beyond the early '90s.

Nitpicking aside, anon, I actually completely approve of your preference of SOUL, but like... don't try to justify it. Just do it and be shameless.

>>8291279
Yeah, they've become super rare, for me, too. Even the ones I do find are like shitty, 15 inch gateway computer monitors that some tool thinks is worth $100. Which sucks because I'd love to have a good-size 480p display for my Dreamcast, but I guess a lot of those got junked.

>>8289203
hitachi had some, so did samsung

>>8291151
https://youtu.be/B0ndYWlMkXI?t=587

>>8289203
rca had one as well that could do 480p and i believe 1080i in the late 90s early 2000s

>>8291390
Except if you play something at 480i on a CRT, you WILL see combing. This faggot talks in circles to try and disprove something that literally anyone who had a big CRT and a DVD player about 15 years ago could see clear as day, especially using a clean source like component video. I had a 20 inch, and later a 32 inch, and the interlacing on both was very obvious and one of the few things I disliked about CRTs back in the day.

And I still don't get what you were trying to say about scanlines. I feel like you meant to use another word.

>>8291391
>>8289203
https://www.digitalconnection.com/Archive/ps36800hr.htm

>>8291550
>>8289203
Hitachi 36UX59B 36" Ultravision CRTs can do it, good luck finding one tho lol

Ignore this blogpost

>relocating for work
>moving company packs all my shit
>taking a CRT with me
>“you guys know how to pack these right?”
>“yeah we’ve been doing this for 37 years we got it”
>its a vcr combo, figure it’ll be perfect for the short term apartment situation
>shit arrives a week later than expected
>just want to play some wave race
>find a banged up box labeled “white tv”
>jazzmusicstops.jpg
>open it up
>mfw

>captcha=TRAGY

>>8291901
I assume you’ll be harassing the moving company, as you should?

>>8291901
Dang, so how much are they gonna reimburse you?

my first computer was the c64. man, i can't tell you how SHIT these tv screens were back then, you literally got eye cancer. i don't get this debate because what we have now is a MILLION times better. only hipster retards who weren't even BORN in the 70s/80s shill crts now. let this old dinosaur tell you otherwise. screw crt dumbness, hdmi flatscreens all the way.
that is literally all.

>>8291954
>that is literally all
I highly doubt that.

>>8291940
>>8291947
It was only $7 so at first I was more disappointed than mad and I was going to write it off, but after a trip to the local thrift where I found comparable sets for 40 fucking dollars I’m considering making a claim.

I just really liked this one.

>>8291993
Get more from them, nigger. They should know they fucked up.

>>8291954
t. lcd jew

>>8291391
>>8291550
>>8291597
That's not what an EDTV is. We're looking for a tv that can display 480p and 480i

>>8291993
I have the same TV but black. Good little composite set.

>>8292090
Scratch that, that proscan may be

>>8291993
still works or is it dead?
the casing is (mostly) repairable

>>8274986

>>8288087
RF is nostalgiafaggotry, not bad TV cope. liking composite is bad TV cope.

>>8290187
yes, it's perhaps more stuck with 480i than any other console so it benefits greatly. look around your area for a CRT with component input.

>>8292694
Aaaaass

>>8274986
>>8292694
>>8292749
retard bros, we have a solution

>>8292694
>American plugs cant be rotated 180 degrees due to the design of the plug
Eurobros... we keep winning...

>>8292780
heh...americans

>>8292761
aren't plugs and sockets actually intentionally designed to not fit if the wattage is too high?

>>8292831
what

>>8292803
assuming those plugs are tight, this is completely safe

>>8292803
I see the yuropoors have taken on the great American tradition of electrical bathing.

>>8292831
questions like this kill the electrician in me


be cognizant of the amount of amperage (current) you attempt to draw over extension cabling (they have a rating on them) - american circuit breakers do not have a way to detect this and the cords start fires all over the country every year

>>8293462
>american circuit breakers do not have a way to detect this
WTF? What are they for then?

>>8292780
schuko is trash, bs1363 is only socket of value

>>8287861
I went down a weird rabbit hole looking into this shit, but to try and find a TV cabinet that would support my 65" TV -and- fit inside my teensy housing unit -while also- having a central shelf wide enough to accomodate a soundbar.

Long story short, I ended up deep-diving into google (which is fucking worthless these days thanks to SEO) and ultimately found a small business that traded in hand-made wooden furniture. Paid out the nose, but the quality is great if you can't find an old entertainment center from an estate sale or something you might find something solid enough this way.

>>8293479
They're for the wiring in your walls

>>8293462
>electrician
Slightly related, do you have any advice for someone looking to take up soldering? I don't really get how to build the skillset without potentially destroying stuff.

Also are hakko tools worth the money?

>>8294023
I also would like to know about how to start getting into soldering. My wife has some soldering equipment that is part of a larger toolkit and we've both been meaning to figure that shit out.

Play Mahjong

this may be /g/ related but does win10 have any big driver overhead that would make even a CRT have more display lag than say... win7, windows XP, or Linux ?

>>8274865
how do I explain it to my friend that not everything that you output to crt automatically have scanlines, is there an infographic or something that explains double striking on crt?

>>8294492
isnt 240p basically 480p but with black lines filling the blanks?
well they're not really black lines, but just lack of data between the lines, so tell him that

>>8294492
Scanlines are always visible. Your friend is right. You see, the scanlines are not the black gaps. The more you know.

>>8293746
why? it just looks oversized and the strips take up so much more space

>>8294527
240p and 480i are pretty much linked. Both display 240 lines at once, but whereas 480i alternates fields, 240p draws a blank line instead.

>>8294556
thanks

>>8294023
>>8294027
Here's all the crap you need to get started, good tools that aren't expensive and are modern.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDTO6X7/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HG5NYK2
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149K4JTY
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076X1NYBB
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008ZIV85A
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RWL09M4
This is just for starting, eventually you can get into hot air and solder suckers. There's also that shitty $7 pump you can use but they're really awful

>>8294027
>>8294023
Get a t12 knockoff soldering iron off Aliexpress. Works great and it's cheaper.

>>8293746
Overengineered trash

>>8295018
You mean the best plug design in the world.

>>8294632
I have a TS100, and I like it enough, but I'd only recommend it as a first/only iron if the anon was going to be using it in the field mostly, and not in their own workshop.

Also, why do you only show paste flux, and no liquid? Curious.

>>8295115
forgot to

>>8295120
>>8294632

A bottle of no-clean like this will last for a lot of projects.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MYEE84K

Between that and switching from generic to kester solder my soldering became much better without my skills improving one whit.

Does anybody have an easy way of desoldering bent leads? The most effect way I've found is just prying it up with the iron tip and I don't really want to do that

>>8295346
I suck at desoldering with a wick, but I'd heat the solder, bend up a tad with needle nose, then wick off. Or just use a desoldering gun, because it fits over that and does magic.

Got a dinky little 13'' Zenith at a flea market. No remote. Looks like I need one to access the menu and scan for channels (i have a free antenna and it'd be comfy to have the TV on while on the PC) Anyway, I'm trying to find a universal remote but it seems like 99% of the ones on amazon are for modern smart TVs. I don't want to buy one that might or might not work, do you guys have any recs for a cheap universal remote?

>>8295469
did you check ebay for the OEM remote first?

>>8295469
You'll only get like 3 channels on an analog antenna, if you want channels you'll have to get a digital-analog converter for most channels and that will have its own remote most likely

>>8295475
Yeah, there's 1 listing for the same TV model and it doesn't have a remote either.
>>8295494
Well it's one of those digital antenna things. It's outside and I have to wired to my attic and it goes to my living room TV and my game room. I get a lot of channels on it, but it didn't come with a remote.

>>8295510
what model is it

>>8295520
Zenith TVBR1352Z

>>8274865
There's a CRT at work that my boss wants to give me, and I tested it, it works great, but none of the buttons fucking work and I doubt theres a remote to it. Should I pick it up?

>>8295641
I dunno anon, do you want it?

>>8295648
I do, but the buttons don't seem to work, even the power button.

>>8295510
It may be a digital antenna but your tv only has analog circuitry so it will have to be converted

>>8295808
Well if you want it, you should get it. If you don't want it, don't get it.

>>8274939
Does she have perfect geometry?

>>8291901
Fucking kek never ship CRTs.

>>8295818
You might be right. The other TVs I've had hooked up to the antenna thing are newer so I gues they can deal with the signal. So I have to buy a converter box. But will the remote for the box work with the TV? I mean can I access the TV's menu with it somehow?

>>8287861
I bought a solid oak sideboard thing from an estate sale. It was a kind of dated 80s design but tough as nails. More than enough to hold up my 36" D-series.

One of my friends got a modern TV stand with a weight rating of 100 lbs to hold up his 90-lbs, 27" Sony. If you don't have a ridiculous TV then finding a stand need not be hard.

>>8294556
>>8294565
240p doesn't "draw a blank line". It just draws over the same field all the time, so it's refreshed 60 times per second.

>>8294023
i've heard good things about the brand

it's only a good investment if you plan on actually using it often

a cheapo iron works too just is more difficult to finish the job


practice by tining wires and soldering them together, make simple db9 controller adapters atari>bally, genesis to master system, atari>odyssey2

db9 plugs are less than 1$

you get good by practicing
just like any other skill

>>8291901
D=
D=!!!
Dude, thats fucking horrible! I'm so sorry.

>>8293462
just something i heard once. i'll check my amperages from now on

>>8295318
>Between that and switching from generic to kester solder my soldering became much better without my skills improving one whit.
Kester isn't available in my country, and a roll of the stuff imported is fairly expensive.
Ever tried MG Chemicals' solder wire? Their products are relatively well stocked by comparison, although I can't get my hands on that no-clean flux everyone recommends.

Also, in terms of more generalised equipment is a PCB vice a better investment than a third-hand? And is it worth getting a fume vacuum?

>>8291901
This is why I've taken care to always move/pack CRTs myself. Most people underestimate how fragile they are.

On a somewhat related note, I'm going to be moving soon and storing my CRTs in one of these. Anyone have any experience with them?

i'm a total noob. what's a good adapter for hooking up a laptop to a crt? i've been searching amazon for an hour and i don't want to buy some chink device that'll burn my house down

>>8297539
If you're watching 480i just get anything.
If you're going to try and emulate, find a guide and try to follow it as close as possible because your don't know what little changes might fuck it up (it's very finicky). Does your laptop have VGA or just HDMI? Does your tv have component or just composite?

>>8297571
>If you're going to try and emulate, find a guide
if i had luck with that i wouldn't be asking here

>Does your laptop have VGA or just HDMI?
just HDMI

>Does your tv have component or just composite?
just composite

>your don't know what little changes might fuck it up (it's very finicky)
isn't it just as simple as plugging in an hdmi>rca adapter then fullscreening snes9x?

>>8297735
>isn't it just as simple as plugging in an hdmi>rca adapter then fullscreening snes9x
no, because you have to make sure your computer is sending a 240p signal, and you have to make sure your hdmi-analog converter is keeping that 240p and not scaling it to 480i. I actually haven't heard of an hdmi to composite converter that works for this (could be wrong), the best way I can think of is hdmi->vga then vga->composite. Or get an old radeon card that has a composite connection and use crtemudriver

>>8297539
Honestly just get an hdmi to composite converter. You will incur a very small amount of lag, but honestly it's the best method as modern OS's and devices to CRT are a crap shoot. Mainly with the 15khz difference.

>>8297539
Doesn't that basically entirely depend on the connections you have available? Does your laptop only have a Thunderbolt USB-C? HDMI? VGA? S-Video? Does your CRT have anything but Co-Ax?

Maybe if your CRT is new enough to have RCA you could just use something like a DVD/Blu-Ray player and run an HDMI pass through from your laptop through it.

>>8297785
>>8297809
>>8297816
i only have a t480 to work with. don't know the television model (it's not beside me atm) but it's generic.

fuck it i just bought this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0732NF969

i'll report back in a week

>>8297885
so the issue with scalers like that is they can't pass through a resolution, they just scale whatever signal they're given into 480i, the only resolution they're programmed to output. That means that if you send it a 240p signal it will line double and interlace it

>>8295469
I've had high luck with "One for all Essence 4" universal remote

>>8291101
I recently got a PSX for free and it came with an RF connector. When I was a kid mine used composite. I connected it to a CRT that only has RF in, booted up Medal of Honor and I swear the fuzz makes it look cooler because it's a war game.

>>8295072
I'm from Portugal and live in England now. UK design is worse. That extension you posted is decent because each socket is wider than normal, but you're in trouble when using normal sized ones and those 1 to 3 bricks, since most of the times 1 of the 3 outputs will be clocked by another one, which doesn't happen in the european one because you can rotate things 180º.

>>8289440
Kek, even sony suggests to use scart cable on their TV's manual

Does anyone have any experience with this? I need something that can convert to 480i. It won't be for games probably more for watching videos, so input latency doesn't really matter.

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Premium-Quality-Component-Converter/dp/B017LVMAWG

>>8298541
>pic
based CRTs dabbing on niggers

>>8298571
I don't think you understand

>Find a CRT lying around
>It still works
>But only interlaced
What's the point of keeping them.

Whats the best 20 inch crt for SNES?

>>8298841
BVM-A20F1M

>>8298841
Ikegami TM20-90RHRM

>>8298841
i have a kv-20fs100 and it looks pretty good

>>8298841
Sony BVM-20F1U

>>8298841
kv-20xbr

>>8298835
>But only interlaced
Do you not know what consumer CRTs are?

>>8298835
The point is every console below the Dreamcast, and even then the best PS2 video out is interlaced for most of its library.

>>8298910
I did grow up with the damn things from the day I was born but never really understood things like interlacing and progressive scan until long after I put mine away ten years ago. I need a reference point.

Due to some new stuff that I have to move in my room, I had to put my CRT TV right next to my computer case, like about an inch away from one another. Shouldn't have any problems with static frying my case, right? I have cold feet.

>>8298916
All Consumer CRT’s are 480i unless they are EDTV or HDTV
Then there are special PVMs or computer monitors
240p is a trick of 480i where only half of the image/scanlines are rendered

>>8298924
Thanks, I'm less retarded now.

>>8298924
>only half of the image/scanlines are rendered
not true, the lines just don't alternate. There are still the same number of lines and frames drawn

can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how crts work? something that details from the individual components (transistors, ics, etc.) to the larger layout (yoke, flyback, etc.) and how it all comes together. preferrably a book, but i'll take anything with the information

>>8299003
True, 480i is 2 fields at 30 fps and 240p at 60

>>8299243
240p one field at 60*

After playing Majora's Mask for the first time I genuinely don't see CRT shaders catching up anytime soon. Pictures don't do it justice. The game got so wild with it's colors and they all blended together like an airbrush painting. It makes sense why they toned down the colors on the 3DS remake. I don't see how they could pull off half the shit they did on modern screens without it looking jarring.

>>8299276
Agreed, I also actually like the way composite blends better than s-video even though I have both

>>8299839
Yeah it's great for games with wild colors and vertex lighting. Even for less colorful games I still find myself using a shitty RF consumer TV over my PVM just because it does a real good job of hiding how low fidelity the textures are.

My TV says in the back that only 50Hz is supported, and I can verify this by testing it with my PS3. But recently I played F-Zero for the Gamecube on my Wii using Nintendont and when asked if I wanted to display in 60Hz I said yes and it ran fine. What gives? Does Nintendont automatically make it revert or something? I got it on automatic recognition, but games are supposed to overlap Nintendont's options.

>>8298841
KV-20FV300

>>8300056
easiest way to check is to switch your wii from 576i to 480i

>>8299276
You say that, but with pending developments in FPGA capacity and availability (you know, once the auto industry stops being fucking cunts and hoarding all the god damn chips) I think we're due for a shader renaissance.

>>8300292
Will it go blank like the PS3, or does it switch to black and white? Because from what I remember the Wii won't revert automatically, so if the screen goes blank then I'm blind.

>>8300381
pretty sure there is a button combo that resets the resolution to default on boot

>>8300382
Not sure if that would work, since mine goes straight to homebrew launcher.

>>8300385
should work because it's on start up, also I'm sure it does the same thing just by unplugging and replugging in the video cable off the system

>>8300386
Alright, guess I'll try, thanks. Worst case scenario I have to sweat buckets trying to reach behind the CRT to unplug the cables, plug them to the LCD, fix the setting and plug it back in the CRT.

>>8288865
>monster hunter world plush
ruined

Hello everyone, how much are you willing to spend on a CRT?
Because I've been looking for CRT's (The used ones that is) and I managed to find pic related for 40€ and I won't lie when I say that I don't know much about CRTs besides being those big TVs that my grandparents had until my mentally challenged cousin broke it with a toy hammer somehow.

>>8300508
£0. I get mine from the scrap at work or Freecycle.

>>8300508
Widememes are shit for everything so I wouldn't pay for it

>>8300508
For consumer grade, sub 27 inch my makes is 50. 36 inch my max is 100. For the more advanced shit my max is 250.

Would a PVM-1354Q be good for SNES through PS2?

>>8300508
I live in bumfuck nowhere and for some reason there's no CRTs in sight. I had to search a lot to find one to buy for aprox. 40 usd and if I didn't go immediately there was already another nerd wanting to buy it... all of this for a fucking 29" flat screen Panasonic.
There's no shame for paying a bit of money for a CRT unless you live in redditpost land where everyone finds PVMemes on the side of the road on their way to work.

>>8300056
>My TV says in the back that only 50Hz is supported
It's just probably the AC power rating, something like "220-240V 50Hz", right? It doesn't tell you anything about what video modes it supports, except for PAL, because judgding by that information it's an European model. It could very well also support 60Hz over RGB and NTSC over composite. You have to check it in the manual or test it yourself to be certain.
>PS3
The thing with PS3 is that PAL models don't let you set 480i/p in the display options, you can only choose HD or 576i/p regardless of what TV it's connected to. However you can force it by playing a Japanese DVD. It's region 2, so it will work on an European console. Turning off scaling switches the output to 480p on HDMI, it should output 480i through SD cables. I don't have a CFW on mine, but I've heard you can use that instead.
>Wii
Yeah, that's your best bet. Try changing the video mode in the settings like the other anon mentioned.

What model is your CRT by the way?

>>8294218
>Wii bar
Based

>>8300056
>But recently I played F-Zero for the Gamecube on my Wii using Nintendont and when asked if I wanted to display in 60Hz I said yes and it ran fine. What gives?
Thats called PAL60, so PAL colors but at 60hz instead of 50Hz, although some games will go straight into full NTSC mode(as in identical to the USA version of the game) when selecting 60hz mode, at least on some ps2 games which results in black&white colors if your tv doesn't do ntsc colors via composite, and that can be fixed with using RGB scrat cables or with transcoders(the first option is cheapter and easier).

>>8300508
>I won't lie when I say that I don't know much about CRTs
If you don't know anything about them then why do you even want one? Are you just a bandwagoning zoomer?

>>8300798
I have a n64 with games from my older cousin and I kinda want to play with it because of nostalgia.
Also, does it really matter how old am I?

>>8300292
>>8300634
>>8300714
I just tried and the Wii displays at 480i. 480p is locked in 240p suite, but all the other mixed tests with 240p, 288p, 264p and 528p work, be it PAL or NTSC. PS3 displays in Standard PAL and the 576p gives a blank image. TV is a Beko and I'm using composite cables to SCART adapter.

>>8300969
I'd say you're good, if you don't get black and white image on composite then it even supports NTSC color coding. The only thing I'd recommend is getting some good RGB cables since you're using SCART anyway.

>>8301012
Eh, from what I've seen RGB doesn't make much difference and I'm happy with composite. I've got component cables, but I don't have a component to SCART adapter. And the component cables were cheaper than normal from Amazon, so they're probably fake (or simply not RGB) and I didn't know better when I bought them.

I want to force my will towards technology and have the convenience of emulation through the authenticity of a CRT TV. Is this thing worth it?

Anyone know could be causing the smearing-to-the-right effect shown in this pic? Pic is from Retro Tech but he doesn't mention the artefacting on this monitor, but I have a PVMeme with the same issue (albeit nowhere near as bad, only a very subtle effect only visible in certain situations like the 240p test suite screen).

It's definitely something to do with the monitor itself. I've tried multiple consoles, multiple inputs, multiple signal types, multiple cables, and multiple monitors.

Is this a problem with the tube itself and there's no way to fix it? Does it need caps replaced? If it's a cap issue, can the problem be narrowed down rather than just a "replace everything" shotgun approach?

Anyone know what could be causing the smearing-to-the-right effect shown in this pic? Pic is from Retro Tech but he doesn't mention the artefacting on this monitor, but I have a PVMeme with the same issue (albeit nowhere near as bad, only a very subtle effect only visible in certain situations like the 240p test suite screen).

It's definitely something to do with the monitor itself. I've tried multiple consoles, multiple inputs, multiple signal types, multiple cables, and multiple monitors.

Is this a problem with the tube itself and there's no way to fix it? Does it need caps replaced? If it's a cap issue, can the problem be narrowed down rather than just a "replace everything" shotgun approach?

>>8301137
>>8297972

>>8301148
It's interference on the video cable, it's what happens when the signal 'bounces' or interferes with itself and displays repeated echoes of itself. Get a better cable

>>8301178
So should I just use a VGA CRT monitor with the incorrect mask for the games?

>>8301183
Oh I didn't read; if it's not the cable then there is interference perhaps at the rca connectors themselves, or immediately inside the set behind them. Also, it's hard to tell but your pic seems to show you have the brightness way too high, this effect you have is more or less present on all TVs but you can't see it because it is so faint as to be impossible to perceive. Is there a 75ohm switch on the back of the tv at the video connector? Either your brightness is set way too high or the 75ohm switch might be turned off making the image too bright

>>8301192
Does your tv only accept composite? Rgb or component sets are much easier to connect to from a computer.

>>8301203
>>8301183
Like I said, I've tested and accounted for EVERYTHING.
It happens with every console.
It happens with every cable
It happens with every input type from composite to s-video to component to RGB
It happens on all of the PVMs inputs (component, s-video, both RGB/YPbBr inputs)
And I have other screens and this is the only one with the "ghosting" effect. Same consoles/cables/etc going into the other screens don't show the effect.

Keep in mind that pic is not mine, it's just an example of a similar effect I saw on a Retro Tech video (easier than going home and taking a picture myself, especially when mine is far more subtle).
Also it's not an issue with 75 ohm auto-termination. Brightness/etc are properly calibrated and I've tried using my own 75 ohm terminators as well as daisy chaining to a separate termination point. Effect remains regardless

>>8301224
have you tried plugging the tv in a different wall socket or even a different room? It could be electrical interference from some other appliance or bad grounding. Otherwise it sounds like you've entirely narrowed it down to the internals

>>8301236
True, I haven't tried that and it's been ages since I've moved it. It's a 20" PVM so it's a total pain in the ass to move, especially with everything else built around it.
I'll give that a shot, thanks. Maybe see if I can string together a bunch of surge protectors to reach a different room.

Do you have any idea what the effect is called, btw? Half the problem is that I don't even know how to refer to the horizontal streaking that appears to the right after bright things on the screen. Streaking? Ghosting? Makes it hard to search for similar issues and/or fixes when I don't even know how to name it.

>>8301043
Well, you'd have to get new cables anyway, since what you call component isn't RGB, it's YPbPr and not directly compatible without a transcoder. A simple adapter won't work here (unless you want a monochrome picture, then just use the green plug with a simple composite-to-SCART adapter).
YPbPr inputs weren't very common in Europe until HDTVs came around. The color coding of the plugs has caused a lot of confusion over the years it seems.
RGB is technically a component video format, because it uses multiple wires to send multiple "components" of the picture, but let's not get into that and just stick with common naming conventions where component == YPbPr.

Getting a better quality connection is always a profit, but if you're happy with composite then have it your way and enjoy the games.

>>8301224
I saw a similar issue last week on my dad's LCD with his DVD player plugged in via SCART. Wiggling the plug a bit made the problem less visible, but it still remained. One of my PC monitors using an analog D-Sub connection has this issue sometimes too, but reseating the plug always helps.
I don't think there's something wrong with your tube, because it looks like a typical connection problem. Maybe check the wires inside the TV?

>>8301242
I call it ghosting or echo and most people call it ghosting, I think it's just unfortunate that a lot of interference 'ghosting'. It's definitely something to do with the impedance

>>8301263
>Maybe check the wires inside the TV?
Yeah, it'll probably come down to checking the internals. But that's why I was hoping to get an idea of either what is responsible for the effect or what area of the board I could narrow down the problem to. Otherwise I'm just kinda flying blind.

>>8301210
It accepts composite and component. Are there better HDMI to component converters or cables?

>>8301284
yes, look for an hdmi-component transcoder that says it can both send and receive 480i signals, this way it will preserve whatever signal you send it. Then All you need to do is force your computer to output 240p on your hdmi (possible in a few ways, depending on your video card). Try googling "hdmi to component 240p" or some such, or sort through the hdmi-component converters on amazon and find one that lists 480i as an output option

>>8301279
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/gkyzbt/comment/fxbvamz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I found this guy who says a cold solder joint fixed the issue. Try the different wall socket first,but if that fails brace yourself for a teardown

>>8301303
Very interesting. Thanks, anon.
I'll miss the shitness of composite from my younger days.

>>8301313
It's a start, thank you

Well I guess you can win the jackpot twice.
>browse local craigslist as usual
>see pic related posted half hour ago (Sony Trinitron KV-25K5E)
>and its acually pretty close
>managed to score it
Fuck yeah, I haven't messed with the service menu yet(the picture is shifted to the left by about 16 pixels), but its damn nice, now I see why people worship Trinitrons. Only issue with it was that there seemd to be a chip in the glass, but then I noticed that its just the plastic screen protector/anti glare layer, which was a pain in the ass to get off due to the front bezel being impossible to get 100% off without having to dissemble the whole damn thing to pieces, but I somehow managed to get the damn layer off without killing myself or the tv in the process and now its perfectly fine. Thank you for reading my blog, have a nice day.

>>8300360
FPGA's have nothing to do with shader advancement. You can do them on the GPU and it's actually easier to do on the GPU. I don't think you could do it on LCD alone. The colors I saw in Majora's and how deep the blacks got I've never seen any LCD do. It'd have to be OLED. Also you'd need some sort of crazy light physics simulations to get the level of smooth blending I was seeing. That pic you took looks way too crisp.

>>8301379
Happy you found something you like, anon. That model number sounds European, so you just have scart on it? Looks good. Time to enjoy it with some games

My CRT has an AV2 and an AV2-S. Both display the same picture and the quality seems the same. What's the difference? There's no S-Video.

>>8301494
The 's' is supposed to designate that the input is configured for s-video.

Getting a Sony pvm model 1354Q soon. I've read this model only supports 480i (or 240p) but not 480p. Would this limit what consoles I can use with it?

>>8301589
You'll be able to use everything up to 8th gen. 8th gen is when 480i support was dropped.

>>8295469
So, update. Home Depot had an RCA universal remote for $10. Decided to gamble on it. It uses 5 digit codes and I've entered about 10,000 of them so far and tries the auto search, nothing. From what I've found, some universal remotes use 3 digit codes, some use 4, and some use 5. The TV isn't that old, it says 2002 on the back. Anyone ever run into this problem before? Since it is a VCR/TV combo is that making things harder? Any possibility the IR receiver in the TV is bad? I looks find from the outside.
If I got a 3 digit code or 4 digit code remote could I have better luck? Not sure why it would make a difference, but I can't think of anything. Just wondering if anyone else has ever had issues with combo devices like this or just trying to get a universal remote to work before.

I have an Nvidia graphics card with DVI-I output and therefore analogue output capability. How do I connect to it a 15 kHz CRT TV and feed it a signal it actually understands? DVI-A to VGA adapter and then VGA to SCART cable plus a 3.5mm to RCA cable? Or are those separate channels on the TV? Or do I use different speakers for the audio altogether?

>>8301630
And apparently then I can create a custom resolution in Nvidia control panel that falls within the 15 kHz specs? Or am I missing something else here?

>>8301303
By the way is it possible to instead use a VGA -> RGB adapter for a dual "monitor" setup with the CRT on the VGA and an LCD monitor on HDMI? I wonder if AMD supports custom resolutions for two different outputs at once.

Got them both for free. The one on the left is fuckhueg but the trinitron is better quality.

>>8301589
Good for everything up through 6th gen (+ Wii). Technically you can do PS3 and 360 component output at 480i but the games weren't meant for it and while it's interesting and I've played through games that way, I generally wouldn't recommend it over an HD display.

For 6th gen many/most games can do 480p, but honestly 480i on a good CRT with a good signal like RGB or component looks really good.
Would be nice to have a multiformat CRT but it's just not worth it these days.

>>8301630
Need to combine the sync signals, VGA has separate h and v sync but scart is combined sync. Sometimes you can tell the graphics card to send csync down the h or v pin

>>8301651
Yes that's quite possible, and if you have a VGA output that is actually much better than hdmi converters

If CRT screens are "better" for gaming, why aren't they made anymore?

Surely the Free Market would take care of supply if they were actually worth anything, right?

>>8301924
Different anon, but out of curiosity, do you know what the proper way to combine H+V sync to C sync is? Just from fucking around on my own I've found that literally just using a pigtail connector to combine the two sync lines seems to work just fine and the picture looked fine on my BVM, but I also tried outputting to an older panasonic pro monitor and it showed weird distortion at the very top of the image (otherwise looked fine)

I imagine it's because doing it quick and dirty like this probably provides Vp-p that's too high. Not even sure if the panasonic screen is designed to accept TTL voltages

>>8301926
I heard HDMI conversion was worse. The audio is set through speakers though, I'll have to figure that out as well. CRT_Emu drivers don't work on my RX 570, I wonder if AMD's own custom resolution options work.

>>8301940
>why aren't they made anymore?
It's never been videogames that decided new display standards, it was Hollywood.
4:3 was forced out of the market years ago, too.

>>8301946
Yeah you have to scale the voltage, either with a simple circuit or with a chip such as the lm1881

>>8301948
Could IMAX ever bring it back

>>8301946
Check this out
https://www.retrorgb.com/building-a-passive-sync-combiner.html

>>8301940
when in doubt its always because its cheaper that way.

i want to watch some old anime on my crt tv. ive looked into how to get my PC directly connected to the tv a couple of times and always had to conclude its mroe struggle than its worth it. i also bought an HDMI to Component converter a while ago which didnt work out. aside from using a console with video playback functionality, is there any other way to get my video files onto the tv? im even considering getting a dedicated PC with analog GPU because i dont have the space for a second GPU in my current case.

>>8302383
Just do hdmi to s video, I know it isn't component quality but it's still miles better than composite and is basically retard proof. Also cheaper.

>>8302383
just to watch anime all you really need is a working converter. What was wrong with the component converter?

>>8302383
Use a 360, it does analog output and you can watch DVD’s easily and well and you can also stream with Universal Media Server

>>8302383
I was able to directly hook up my PVM to my PC using Linux autism. I stopped doing it because I'm pretty sure it sends out a bad signal when booting up which can damage it. Or so I hear.

>>8301940
They are better for retro gaming. Which aren't mainstream or a strong enough market force to dictate anything. This is a niche of a niche.

>>8301940
Why would anyone play on a shitty 480i 4:3 screen when they can enjoy glorious 4k upscaling.

Is there any input lag on a big ass rear projection set from the early 2000s? Got one for free and wanna hook up a lost world board to it since it has a vga port but was thinking of using it to play some other arcade stuff on it like various ps2/ps1 dance pad stuff.

>>8274865
So you guys ought to know best.
What filter is the closest to a real crt?
I know that none match perfectly, or maybe none are even close. But which is closest?

>>8302681
Make a CRT shader thread, lad.

>>8301940
Because it dries up pussy

>>8301630
Not with an nvidia card you won't, unless you want to destroy your TV. You'll need an ATI card that's compatible with crt emudriver, I use a 6450, and to be on the safe side it's a good idea to flash a modified bios to the card with ATOM15. Use the new drivers to enable csync, then obtain or make a vga to scart cable with a 480ohm resistor on the sync line to drop the voltage from TTL level to around 1v. This is effectively what I've done to make a scart/crt compatible pc to play old school cartoons/movies as well as groovy mame.

>>8302727
>Not with an nvidia card you won't
This is a myth

>>8302735
Prove it. I'll wait.

>>8302738
nvidea control panel custom resolution, custom resolution utility, and soft-15khz in some situations all can work

>>8302769
not that anon but just make sure you set custom res before you turn of the TV

>>8302769
Too many things to go wrong. Nvidia cards are locked at a minimum 31khz, and relying on windows software to force it isn't an ideal solution. If something goes sideways, you end up pumping twice the refresh rate into the tv. A cheap amd card that will work 100 percent of the time is only $20, and can even force the boot/bios screen to display in 15khz.

It's a shame that only certain cards work, and you have to go through the hassle of switching over to a custom video driver, not to mention have a second, dedicated PC, not to mention the danger of fucking up your CRT, just to hook them up together.

>>8299276
even the intro sequence looks great on a CRT
I'm glad someone else noticed how nice the majora's mask colors are. The whole thing has a rainbow palette but normally people only notice in the observatory.

>>8301148
that's a cap going bad somewhere
they'll run like that for decades before it gets worse
similar appearance can be caused by impedance mismatch on cables

I'm having a similar problem to this post on my ps1. Is it possible that I just have shitty cables or could it really be the pvm itself?
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56329

>>8302923
It shows up in really weird spots. The final boss was an absolute trip. It felt completely surreal all the way through Especially with how it'd be bright vibrant saturated colors against pitch blackness. Like the mask floating around but it's eyes being gigantic yellow spots. There is no way they pulled this off on the 3DS version

>>8301393
You're right, they don't inherently, but the devices I'm interested in (scalers, to continue using original hardware) do.
Most people aren't autistic enough to spend hours fiddling with crtroyale settings, and the people that do are still ultimately emulating- not that there's anything wrong with it, but the demographic is less wealthy and thus less likely to own the kind of beefy GPU and >1440p screens needed to get the benefit out of it.

That pic wasn't mine, but was taken by someone with an N64 Digital from about a foot away from a mid-tier screen. At a comfortable seating distance on a nice 4K OLED TV you would notice it far less.
And ultimately I don't need 100% accurate reproduction of CRT effects, just something that makes old games look remotely of-their-era on a modern TV rather than turning an SD image into a literal mosaic made up of (napkin math) 5mm tiles.

>>8302678
if its a good one it would probably even work with light guns, a very small number of crt's from the 2000's could possibly have lag.

>>8302498
>upscaling
shiggy diggy

Hi guys. Did some widescreen CRTs ever only max out at just 720p, or did they always support 1080i no matter what?
I wanna get a widescreen HD CRT for indies/throwbacks and modern rereleases and the like (also Wii/Xbox games), but I'd rather avoid 1080i entirely so that the TV's native res would be 720p. Would make it easier to deal with lag, plus it's an easy resolution to scale 240p/480i games to. Am I out of luck?

>>8302395
my tv doesnt do S video. only RGB over bnc or component.
>>8302403
i dont know, probably something with my PC signal. im going to try a PS3 if it even works at all
>>8302435
i might check that out for the UMS. dont have them on DVD and dont know if i want to go through the hassle of burning the shit everytime.

>>8303537
isnt that a matter of the output device? if it does 720p, it does 720p. if your tv can go up to 720p it should be fine.

>>8302848
Not necessarily, on my last setup I used a 1080ti for my primary monitor outputs and also had a ati7450 driving my crt. Worked fine, the crt emudriver only affects the vga output of the ati card.

>>8303554
>and dont know if i want to go through the hassle of burning the shit everytime
well that was mainly for any DVD box sets you already had
it'll be the cleanest image you can get on a CRT if you use component as you don't need to convert any image

>>8303554
>>8302403
i hooked up a PS3 with that HDMI to Component converter now. issue now is that the picture appears doubled on screen. had the same issue trying to hook up the PSP with its component cable but i dont know how to fix that.

>>8303623
you don't need a hdmi converter for ps3 or 360

>>8303623
>picture appears doubled
That's because you're shoving a 31.5KHz signal (480p) into a tube designed for 15Khz (240p/480i). And it's doing damage to the monitor, so stop it immediately.

What you need is a downscaler. Most downscalers suck though, so either order a retrotink 5x or wait until the end of the year when the OSSC Pro releases.

>>8303630
yeah, but i dont have the cables and this was only to test whether the converter actually works. ideally id get HDMI out of my PC to the TV.
>>8303635
damn, they are both really expensive. ill have to put my plans on ice for now and look for alternative solutions...

How much better are OEM component cables vs 3rd party ones?

>>8299839
what game?

>>8303537
1080i was way more common for CRTs than 720p. Try scamming to 480p instead, many can do that. Also, I don't know how much any of this will affect lag, probably not much

>>8303635
A downscaler would be stupid, the PS3 supports 480i

Just get playstation component cables for christ sake. It works for Ps2 as well.

>>8303748
Depends

>>8303754
SS Silicon Valley

>>8301224
Ground loop interference, gotta be your electrical wiring at your home, or that particular outlet.

>>8301940
>Surely the Free Market would take care of supply if they were actually worth anything, right?

Manufactures of CRTs were grandfathered in when new EPA laws were passed back in the day (X-radiotion, Lead, etc), it would be impossible to produce them today and very cost prehibitive for a niche market.

>>8303261
I'm just glad I got to see Majora's Mask on an actual CRT. No shader replicates the level of color blending I was seeing and the game would suffer without it. Most games it's fine to use whatever but Majora's would genuinely be sub-par without a real CRT or a shader that actually does real color bleeding simulations.

>>8303957
use a metal other than lead to slow down the xrays

>>8276752
can you get these new?

>>8303759
It also doesn't look as bad as you might think. The interlacing is very hard to notice when gaming, it's only really noticeable on tiny static text on a desktop

anyone know of a good dvd player that is fully operable without a remote? my TV is right next to me on my desk so i could reach the player without a problem

my TV has 600 TV lines at 15kHz, so it should be able to do 576i right?

I got this monitor for $15, the Dell e771mm. I can't find much information on it, but so far from what I can tell it's just a general office monitor. The picture looks a little washed out for my liking with the contrast at 100, is there anything else I can adjust to get better black levels?

>>8304657
Lookup info on CRTs. Basically you probably wanna replace a few caps, and that's about it for refreshing them without specialy equipment.

>>8304638
tvl is irrelevant to what the circuitry of the tv will sync to

How much can I sell a 20 inch Sony Trinitron from the year 1998 for? I lost the remote control for it during a move...but I'm sure you can buy those controls who are used in universal tv's and program it to work.

>>8304857
Depends

>>8304859
Depends on what exactly? It's in good conditions and it has all its pixels

>>8304857
I just recently bought 25" trinitron from the same year for 25€, and it came with remote too.

>>8304871
Nice, that's equal to 36 canadian dollars. I was thinking of selling mine for $30.

>>8301192
>incorrect mask
lol
that's not even an issue, there is a whole lot of shit you should worry about instead
going back to your original question, no, those shitty converter boxes are pretty much worthless unless you only want to watch movies or earn fake internet points
if you want something retard proof and dirt cheap, get a wii and mod it, download wiimednafen and enable doublestrike, should be good for most 2d shit
if you want to play more intensive shit on your pc and you want to do it RIGHT, get an amd card supported by crt emudriver and something like this https://www.ebay.com/usr/linuxbot3000?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
>>8304857
between $0 and $15 if you're not absolute scum

>>8303576
>>8303759
I mean that HD CRTs are notorious for being laggy with scaling and displaying resolutions lower than their native resolution, which is their max resolution. If a CRT maxes out at 720p, then 720p content should have little to no lag, and I can use an external scaler to linedouble 240p+480i to 720p (with 480p being the odd man out unfortunately, but should be ok enough).

As far as I know, external scalers don't really scale TO 1080i, do they? I recall reading the RT5x recently added support for scaling to 540p, which displays 1080i monitors, but does it do full-on 1080i?

>>8303623
That's what happens when you display a higher-res signal on a standard def display. In this case you're inputting 480p when the monitor can only do 480i max

>>8303947
I actually tried running a spool of extension cord all the way from the other side of the house where my other monitor (with no ghosting pattern) usually is. Same effect, so it's not the outlets. And if it were just the house in general then it should apply to other monitors with the same setup, but it doesn't. It's 100% the monitor itself.

>>8302937
I hope that's what it is. It won't be something that I jump at soon, but I'm just glad it's most likely something relatively simple to fix with a recap. Really anything besides "that's what happens when your tube is too old and fucked up" is a relief.
It's not even something I can notice 99% of the time, but I know it's there and I really just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sign of something catastrophically bad.

>>8274865
does anyone know why my image "jumps" if I'm using any refresh rates other than 60 and 120?
I'm trying to play dos games at 70hz and its really grinding my gears

Are there any consoles that DON'T output TTL csync, or should all csync cables for all consoles have a 470ohm resistor on them?

I DIY'd a bunch of my own cables a couple years ago and I put appropriate resistors on them, but I just now realized the RGB cables I got from retrogamingcables many many years back don't have a resistor on the csync line, at least not in the SCART head. Just want to make sure there aren't any exceptions before I modify the cables.

>>8305189
Pretty much all console csync is ttl. If you have a multi metre check the voltage is not above 1v. Usually consoles put out 2v-ish on that line. I've never had any trouble with retro gaming cables csync though. Bear in mind TTL voltage can mean anything from 2v-5v and console scart cables were originally designed with cvbs in mind.

>>8305239
I thought you needed a scope to check these things because it's Vp-p rather than just V. But I'm also not an EE so I don't really know much.

>I've never had any trouble with retro gaming cables csync though.
Yeah, neither have I. It's just something I happened to notice while tinkering with stuff this evening.
Keep in mind it's probably been about 6-7 years since I bought my cables from them, so it's also possible they've since updated their designs, assuming the ones I have are actually off-spec.

Also kinda annoying that none of the sites AFAIK actually give straightforward info on what components are in their cables. Like I wish the product pages would just say "220uF caps on these lines, 330 ohm resistor on this line"

>>8305265
I have opened up all their old cables and from memory (?) the megadrive had 330ohm, and anything they strapped an lm1882 sync stripper to (ie. non jap saturn) had 480ohm. You don't really need to go to such extremes as using a scope, I've ran csync for 15 years into my scart tv/equipment with no dramas. Most third party cable manufacturers (including myself) use Tim Worthington's (nes rgb inventor) diagrams from his website, if your unsure just use those diagrams as a reference.

>>8305292
Are you referring to these diagrams?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm

They're great and they're partly what I used to DIY my own cables a few years ago. Only problem is they only show composite video and assume sync-on-composite, not even showing pinouts for CSYNC, much less telling you what you might need on the line of the cable.

>>8305315
Yeah, that's the site. Personally, I use 330ohm on all of the consoles that output csync without modification, and 480ohm for the one chip famicon/snes and anything that uses a sycstripper in line (neogeo cd, PS1, pal-ntsc saturn). Reason being that the lm1882 outputs 5v.As for capacitors (I'd have to check my note's) but it was either 220uf or nothing, and that was trial and error on lots of different equipment. Although on my setup if I can't get pure csync I'll use luma instead, makes no difference and requires no extra components.

>>8305383
Luckily I managed to find another page that gives info for proper attenuation of the csync lines of all consoles. I'm pretty sure this is the resource I used years ago when making my cables
https://www.retrorgb.com/csync.html
Kinda shocking how this seems to be the only page on the entire internet actually detailing this info. But I'm just glad I found it.
Does seem that whether to use a 330 vs 470 ohm resistor seems to depend on nintendo vs sega, for the most part. I'll probably just do a quick solder job tomorrow if I can dig around and find some resistors/caps laying around.

As for why I've always gone with CSYNC, it's really just a matter of uniformity to me. Not all consoles have s-video for sync-on-luma, there's a higher risk of interference with sync-on-composite, and the biggest reason is that my main setup uses an extron crosspoint which only accepts csync. Of course the ironic thing here is that extrons boost the sync lines to TTL-level anyway, but I still want my cables to be "correct" for when I sometimes use the cables in other ways like with a component transcoder on a consumer CRT.

>>8305443
I use a crosspoint too, it boosts cysnc to 5v. Just make a cable with 480ohm inline resistors from it to your input.I was just digging through my lab and found hundreds of pages of notes for gaming consoles (picrel], maybe one day I'll make a website. Your right a lot of the information just disappeared off the web when different forums shut down.

>>8305465
Nice diagrams. I really wish I kept the ones I drew from when I made my stuff. Just nice to be able to quickly check things on paper rather than open up those dogshit SCART heads.

I'm not worried about TTL voltages off the extron since I only use it with professional equipment designed for it anyway. But yes, one of these days I'll probably make a simple RCA cable extension with the resistor in it, just to have. The thing is I don't always use everything with the crosspoint, like I might use a console with a larger consumer CRT in another room with a transcoder box, or maybe one day get an upscaler, and I just want to make sure everything is properly attenuated in the console cables.

Thanks for your help, between those two pages I'll be able to verify/upgrade if need be.

>>8290368
>>8290568
>>8292729
Not sure if its my CRT but i found PS2 to look pretty bad on mine. Maybe it doesnt handle interlaced signals well but it looks flickery and high refresh rate definately isnt a thing there, as opposed to how it handles 240p signals.

So... Should I do this bros? 20 euros.

>>8305694
good deal kachow

>>8305694
kek yes

>>8303623
>had the same issue trying to hook up the PSP with its component cable but i dont know how to fix that
change component output from progressive to interlace in connected display settings

>>8305694
A tv is not worth it.

hey, thinking about my first CRT
I know the price is pretty appalling but it /is/ Australia where there was a lower supply of CRTs in general, let alone PVMs, also let alone what seems to be shipping from someone who knows what they're doing, but anyway
would you say this is a good set for just using at a desk? is the condition it's in going to be much of a worry? been meaning to hop on the CRT train for years now but I fear I'm at the point where I'm gonna get priced out of it if it gets any more harder and expensive to find a decent set
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/284503716221?epid=16036544522&hash=item423dbe317d:g:9iYAAOSwYhNhd1e7&frcectupt=true
keep in mind I don't have a car because I'm a lazy slob and also hauling arse cross-country for hundreds of km to shave shipping costs or find pickups from the few places you can still find a PVM doesn't sound fun

>>8306621
if you spend that kind of money on a tv that small you are going to be disappointed


also geometry is likely to be messed up during shipping

just use a consumer grade set

>>8306629
I would if I could find one. Literally the only person I know who still owns a consumer set still is my grandma who also won't give it up for the life of her (offered to get her a bigger LCD telly for her birthday because it's only a couple hundred for a decent one nowadays and her poor eyesight needs to recover from it and she still said nah), and waiting for her to die just to take the 20' set out of her house sounds pretty heartless to me
Even the bogans and abbos around town don't have them anymore. At most you'll see one set chucked into the curb every six months, getting even more infrequent and it's almost always when it's just been raining.
The worst part is my childhood flat CRT at my dad's house that I grew up playing the PS1/2 on was still there up until like 2016 when he finally got around to chucking it out. I was even like 'nah you should hold onto that fuck I'll even take it home' and he was like 'nah they're cheap as fuck I wouldn't be too worried about it'. Now don't get me wrong I definitely wouldn't want to stick with one of those for 2D games but shit, it would've been /something/.

>>8306621
Cunt, where are you?
There’s plenty of shit around here
Use Facebook marketplace

>>8306648
Whyalla
if you live in SA you'll know how much of a shithole it is haha
I've been checking the past few months and it's just modern panels, Gumtree is 99.9% dead here and I'm pretty sure places like Salvos wouldn't take them at this point so I don't know what to do