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Are we certain they needed rights? Darkstalkers has a similar design in Victor and I don't know if anything happened there either.

It was probably just a case of "who gives a shit" until recently. Like the health kits in Doom.

>>8264896
After researching this, a lot of parodies or cartoons work around it by either softening the top edges, changing the direction of the scar (horizontal instead of vertical), changing the skin to blue (CV ended up doing this) and changing the volts in the neck. It's basically making it "legally distinct enough".

>>8264908
You know, this could be the case. Makes me think of Universal v. Nintendo.
... Maybe they didn't want to risk another legal defeat against a Japanese company...

>>8264841
Konami doesn't give a fuck, unlike Nintendo with Kong.
Also, they never called their monster "Frankenstein". You know those little shitty Frankenstein's monster head decorative lights people put around their windows and doors on Halloween, Nobody paid royalties for those either.

Same reason you had mainframe games called Star Trek for about two decades. Hollywood didn't really pay serious attention to videogames until late 90's. Up until then, they only cared to have some company make a videogame based off of their movie as an additional form of merchandise to sell.

>>8264928
Universal was the one who gave a fuck, not Nintendo. Which ultimately cost Universal because Nintendo actually stepped up instead of just going "ok we'll settle here's a ton of money" like Universal had hoped they would.

>>8264928
>Also, they never called their monster "Frankenstein"
Official manual scan.

>>8264841
>>8264928
>SotN simply calls it "The Creature"
Wait a minute

>>8264949
>>8264951
This can be explained as the age-old mistake of calling The Creature "Frankenstein".
Once IGA got ahold the series (or maybe before it? around Bloodlines and Rondo?) it got changed to Frankenstein's creature, Frankenstein's monster and, most commonly, The Creature.

Funny how no media seems to use "Adam", though. In the novel, the Creature does tell Victor Frankenstein "I am the Adam of your labours!"

Frankenstein's monster is used by everyone as though it was fair use, anon. He's in all sorts of media.

>>8264946
Yeah, I meant to say "unlike Universal v. Nintendo with Kong".
I'm a bit of a retard.

>>8264962
Point no. 2
>https://www.trademarkandcopyrightlawblog.com/2018/10/frankenstein-and-copyright-5-things-you-should-know/
>And as recently as 2010, the author of the poster book Electric Frankenstein reported getting a cease and desist letter warning him to stay away from the combination of five visual elements that make up the Universal character’s appearance: bolts, green skin, big forehead, scar, and flat-top.

>I know what you’re thinking: how did Herman Munster get away with it all those years? Easy … Universal owns him too.

>>8264949
Well blow me down. Vertical scar too.
Like I said, Konami didn't give a fuck. Also, was he called Frankenstein in Japan?
THE MONSTER'S NAME IS NOT FRANKENSTEIN YOU MASSIVE JIMINY CRICKET PRICK BASTARDS.

>>8264969
In CV1, apparently he's called フランケン (Franken)

>>8264973
He has that name in the US version of Circle of the Moon, interestingly.

>>8264973
That's definitely pushing it.
Copyrights and IP are retarded shit usually.

>>8264989
I don't think it was an attempt at anything, they probably just did it as a shortening of the name like Famicom or Pokemon.
Also kek, in Haunted Castle, The Creature is even more obviously Universal's version. You can get figures of The Creature licenced from Universal made either by NECA and Jada Toys that even include the chains.

You think Konami was audacious?
First versions of The Revenge of Shinobi included the likenesses of Spiderman, Batman, Godzilla, Rambo, The Terminator, and god knows what else I'm forgetting.

>>8264997
Yeah but they changed it for the Western release, didn't they? Because this sort of parody is fine in Japan, I believe.

>>8264993
I could see myself buying official Universal monster figures. Credit where credit's due, Universal Studios monsters are cool, unlike with DC/Marvel shit. Maybe because they have solid foundations with good authors writing compelling stories about the human condition.

>>8264997
Final Fantasy 1 is blatantly just Dungeons & Dragons, and while some monsters are generic enough to slide, there's more than a few that were just pulls from the Monster Manual. The Evil Eye was so blatantly a Beholder that they revised it into a completely different design before the game even left Japan, and the franchise mainstay the Ochu is flat out called Otyugh in Japan to this day. Ochu is harder to see the origins sometime as both Otyughs and Ochus have gone down wildly different paths from the original illustration.

>>8264997
Spider-Man is the most fun example: He's implied to be THE Spidey in later versions and is copyrighted to Marvel (because Sega had the rights to make games with him at the time), and they change the fight to him leaving when defeated instead of turning into the lawyer-friendly bat-monster. Of course, those rights expired and so Spidey is turned pink for the Wii's Virtual Console release two decades later.

>>8265017
This doesn't get mentioned enough. They just ripped D&D straight off for FF1. The spells too.

>>8265002
No, it was changed in later revisions, the original western release did have those characters

>>8265012
You can still get Jada Toys' figures. I think Amazon and Big Bad Toy Store have them.

>>8265017
Oh shit, yeah, and then Monster Girl Encyclopedia also used The Beholder as a basis for their Gazer.

>>8265018
>>8265023
Neat, had no idea.

>>8265017
I actually prefer the restyled eye enemies in FF1. They look great. A shame they aren't dangerous enemies.

>>8265017
That's cool, didn't know they changed it.
>>8265043
Yeah, the restyled art looks nice too.

>>8264841
His name is Frankenstein

>>8265060
's Creature

>>8265021
Original Otyugh was had thorny tentacles, some with eyes at the end, stumpy stompy feet, and a big mouth. In FF1 Ochu still have eyes at the end of their tentacles, but later games would get rid of that, while revisions to D&D would make the Otyugh more of a "threatening" monster with a dinosaur like build.

>>8265076
Of course, this doesn't even touch onto other pulls FF has made their own iconic monsters like Displacer Beasts and MindFlayers.

>>8264949
The lede here is that the final boss of Castlevania is canonically named THE COUNT!, not "Dracula"

Japan in the 80s and 90 just didn't give a rat's ass. The iconic SMB1 theme song is a straight copy of another already existing song. I don't remember the name, it's on Youtube if you search it. Even the main MGS theme was ripped off that Russian composition and Kojima eventually had to stop using it once the original composer's family found out about it. Japan: The land of no fucks given.

>>8265068
>Autist detected

>>8265187
They're like China is today, except the japs actually made decent and quality rip-offs so people don't mind.
If you're gonna copy, do it with style and quality.

>>8264841
It's like the Mind Flayers in Final Fantasy; the copyright holder may be a little bitch about usage but they literally didn't know about these and the statute of limitations on suing for it is well-expired. American copyright law is also just so shitty that allowing people to use your IP unpunished counts as precedent so if you WEREN'T a cunt about it and it's too late to be a cunt about it, not only can you not sue anymore but they can keep republishing that work.

>>8265286
Hey, you're right. Contra is a good example of this.

>>8265364

>>8265368
>2 Arnolds
>not 1 Arnold and 1 Stallone
Other than that, yeah.

>>8264841
Frankenstein and midget helped dracula steal white women. Castlevania was really from another time

>>8264841
He's just a generic rpg monster. Almost all ancient bestiaries I have the same monsters. But for some reason capybara is ignored in video games. even the chair has appeared in video games. sad

>>8265369
Because the Stallone pose is just copied from Arnold's pose from the movie.

>>8265395
Capybaras as based and are not monsters. Do not slander them.

>>8265395
Read OP's post and other posts here. Frankenstein's monster has a design situation that isn't public domain like vampires or werewolves

>>8265401
I'm a braindead retard, got it.

>>8264841
Copyright has never been an issue in geek culture. I think Frank Herbert never sued the nerds for copying dune thousands of times.

>>8264956
Ravenloft has thre or more different Frankenstien's Monsters and one of them is Adam.
He's a complete fuck, too. He's out to kill his creator and has been planning his assault for years. His creator knows he's coming and has been planning for his assault for years. Good thing you're there to fuck it up for both of them with your blockheaded ignorance and lust for treasure!

>>8264997
Spider Man also appears in the original Shinobi.

The japs literally didn't give a fuck about copyright in the 80's and 90's bro

>>8265625
Shinobi has a higher power level than Spiderman.

>>8265441
>Copyright has never been an issue in geek culture
Mostly this.
Really think anyone gave a fuck about an industry that was mostly considered children's toys, almost died, and relied heavily on imports?
Plus, the internet wasn't really a thing, so who the fuck is little Timmy going to tell that gives a shit about Frankenstein being in his vidya?
90% of Legend of Zelda is straight out of Ridley Scott's Legend and nobody gives a shit.
>dodgson
>we got dodgson here

>>8264841
Their lawyers passed the bar, as opposed to being too young to go to one like you.

/vr/ - legal experts

>>8264841
those rights most likely didn't cover video games
the thing about copyrights and patents is you have to be very clear about what it covers

>>8266093
I had no idea this was a thing.

It falls under parody. Come on, if there was an issue the design wouldn't be ubiquitous in pop culture.

>>8266807
Yeah, but if you look at those parodies, they changed the scar to be horizontal rather than vertical, changed the bolts to his head or outright removed them, changed the skin color to blue, purple or a different shade of green, added a curve to the top of the head...
You know, legally distinct enough.

>>8264956
>This can be explained as the age-old mistake of calling The Creature "Frankenstein".
I know its tricky. I recommend checking out the classic film "The Bride of the Dr. Frankenstein's Monster", it clears up all the confusing lore.

>>8266853
Oh, I already watched it. I've basically watched all classic Frankenstein movies, purely because I love Castlevania and read the novel too.
That's how I found out that the mistake predated the movies but that Shelley did comment something like "It's giving a name to the nameless" later in her life. Something among those lines...

>>8265625
And also Marilyn Monroe. Modern arcade ports edit both of them out.

>>8264956
There was a crappy fantasy-action movie that had the Monster call himself Adam, but in Shelly's book he's only comparing himself to Adam in that one scene.

>>8264841
Same way the Glover devs got away with it, I guess

>>8267138
I swear, changing the scar's positioning from vertical to horizontal might be the key to making shit legally distinct enough.

>>8266807
I never liked the design in the first place. Of all the ways to make a re-animated corpse, just sticking a tall dude in a coat and calling it a day is pretty lazy. I assume it had to do with video quality back in the day and it being just black and white, you couldn't go too crazy with details. Speaking of that, where did the idea that is skin is green come from, if in the films it's just white?

>>8267191
I can answer these.
Remember, people used to be shorter, Karloff was known for being pretty tall, it was imposing, thus with the stitches and make up, it looked quite impossing and frightening for the time, so much scenes were censored (but unlike Dracula's censorship it didn't become lost media)

The novel didn't describe how the Creature was created very well other that the end result was an inert body that needed to be given life. The 1910 version made it an alchemic process while the silent movie made it stitched from fresh corpses because it seemed just "plausible" enough while also being horrifying for the audiences.

The green came from Universal's own posters and printed promotional media for the movie, as well as live shows and Midnight screenings where Karloff and Lugosi would actually appear on stage during movies, they were events, basically.

>>8264949
You mean "Fronkensteen and Eyegor".

He's filtering me

>>8267238
The mummy is more of a cunt there, DESU.

>>8267312
Mummy/Karis can be cheesed with the bible

>>8267312
Mummy isn't too bad if you have a sub weapon that can deal with his projectiles

>>8267140
The bolts are in the chin in the Glover version too.

>>8267191
>Of all the ways to make a re-animated corpse, just sticking a tall dude in a coat and calling it a day is pretty lazy.
Creature FX and makeup weren't that advanced back then, and the shit they had was still difficult.

If you wanted to do certain colors of makeup, there were only so many ways to do some of them, and they could be poisonous or even flammable. Tin Man in Wizard Of Oz got sick from his makeup, and they had to replace him, while Wicked Witch Of The West's makeup caught fire when an effect went wrong.
Boris Karloff wanted the tone on Frankenstein's monster to look just right, even if it was a black and white film, so he insisted on going with the green makeup anyway (which was poisonous), doing it the hard way, also shedding lots of weight. He was proud of that.

>I assume it had to do with video quality back in the day and it being just black and white, you couldn't go too crazy with details.
Probably a factor, however.

>>8267238
how does anyone ever go into this battle without the bible when it's right there for you in the previous room every time?

>>8268031
I was using the holy water item crash to nullify the mummy's projectile attack
Frankly I find the bible to be hard to use and I always whiff it

>>8267983
>Wicked Witch Of The West's makeup caught fire when an effect went wrong.
holy shit that's hardcore. What were they mixing it with, lighter fluid?

>>8267983
and Alec Baldwin

>>8266798
You didn't know kids bullshit on the internet was a thing?

>>8268391
I think it was made from shit like copper and what not to get the green color, so it was actually poisonous too, which was another problem with her getting a burn injury on set. It was a really primitive time for makeup and effects. Studio didn't even fucking tell the first Tinman why he was sick, at first they didn't even believe he was sick for real and demanded he come back from the hospital.
For the first Tinman they just plain put white housepaint or something on the dude and dusted him with aluminum powder, but for the replacement actor they had to figure out something else.

>>8268404
That's a different kettle of fish, either it's a Brandon Lee situation, and multiple people were negligent in the handling and use of guns with blanks on set, and made unsafe props ('dummy' cartridges made by removing just the gunpowder), or much worse, they actually had honest to God live ammunition on set to use as props. If it's the latter, then Jesus, the studio's insurance premium is gonna shoot through the fucking roof.

Brandon Lee's death led to a lot of changes in studio policies and insurance policies, I'm surprised that some shit like this even happened, you'd think they'd be paranoid as fuck about the insurance premium alone. The production must have been ridiculously sloppy and poorly supervised, and from things I hear about it, it almost certainly is, lots of other bad gun safety on set prior.

>>8264841
unpopular opinion, but I don't like "classic" design
prefer picrel

>>8269259
I think the traditional look is overdone too. Boris was undeniably iconic in the role, and castlevania should continue with the universal look because universal monsters are kind of its thing, but in other media I completely agree that there is plenty of room for creativity. Ito's is very good at being an unlikeable relentless prick.

When I read the book back in highschool the monster in my imagination looked so wildly different. He was described as being beautiful, so I imagined something like shirtless Alucard ironically enough. Only with a few features being uncannily off and a generally fucked aura that comes with being an unholy abomination. It is weird that all we ever see is lumbering green man with bolts.

>>8269259
I like both, but I wouldn't apply Karloff's look to a traditional adaptation of Shelley's book, nor vise versa. I really like Ito's design, incidentally. It kinda blends ideas from Shelley's book and the various adaptations into one design.

If Castlevania ever got a game that gave the Monster some focus in the plot, I'd want to see him skew closer to the book's personality and appearance.

>>8267140
The horizontal scar also makes so much more sense if you pop the cranium off and put a fresh brain in. Dodging legal bullshit to make for a more interesting design and story element.

>>8264841

Fuck, which CV does The Monster appear like this? Super IV? Now I wanna replay it...

>>8270274
Rondo of Blood. It's been the enemy's standard design for most of the "Metroidvania" CV games since.

>>8270312

Ah yeah, I saw another post and recalled the room. Anyway thanks.

>>8270253
In the original design the flat top is a lid and the staples are to close it shut after the brain was inserted, but I like how the horizontal scar can also be interpreted that way.

>>8265017
If you ever wondered why Wizards can kill you in a single physical hit that only does 3 dmg, that's a reference to D&D, too. A Mindflayer's regular physical attack is to latch on to your head and pull your brain out with their squid mouths.

>>8270312
I liked the tweaks they did in Portrait of Ruin. Giving it a machine gun and missile launcher in the elbows is just perfect.

>>8271391
Also the FF spells inherited the same limitations and redundancies of AD&D. The three different hold spells had the same traits as their D&D counterparts (power word spells have a hitpoint limitation in FF as well). The later paralysis spells are not necessarily more effective than the earlier ones.

Multiple death spells have a similar problem in the first final fantasy as many are redundant as they were in the D&D books:
cloudkill (Bane)
flesh to stone (Break)
disintegrate (RUB)
earthquake (quake)
power word kill (XXX or DOOM) *has same hp limitation as other power words
Imprisonment (ZAP/WARP)

>>8271723
I completely forgot that in FF1 Quake was an instant death spell.

>>8264969
>THE MONSTER'S NAME IS NOT FRANKENSTEIN YOU MASSIVE JIMINY CRICKET PRICK BASTARDS
Literally fucking everyone knows this. Please don't be the person who says this like it's new information to anybody, okay? Thx. Calling the monster 'Frankenstein' is fine.

>>8266807
Lurch isn't a creature/frankenstein, he's a zombie

>>8271737
>don't be the person
It's not a person

>>8271737
imagine somebody explaining to you irl that your canonical version is the xasdf version

>>8264949
I had to check, I thought it was a case of retarded murrican translation, but it turns out they actually called him frankenstein in japanese.
No Igor though, he's just called the flea man.
As for Dracula he isn't called "the count" but rather "count Dracula king of evil"
Also "grim reaper" is "god of death" in japanese, so it should have been called simply "death", like in subsequent titles, and pretty much everywhere in the fucking world.

>>8272443
>"count Dracula king of evil"
Wait why doesn't he go by King Dracula

>Also "grim reaper" is "god of death" in japanese, so it should have been called simply "death", like in subsequent titles, and pretty much everywhere in the fucking world.
I mean he's got the scythe and he looks pretty grim

>>8272443
I think the source of the mistake must be the poster of the original, saying FRANKENSTEIN and having Karloff's face. When the movie was re released on cinemas, they added a subtitle to the posters "The Man who made a Monster"

>>8272496
>Wait why doesn't he go by King Dracula
Japanese have a tendency to have long titles.

>>8272521
I'll never get this, Frankenstein is classic literature, even as kid I knew the monster was nameless and Frankenstein referred to its creator. And I never even read the book.

>>8264841
The same reason Kevlar can't stop other armoured-plate manufacturers selling 'kevlar'; the name became ubiquitous with the product and Kevlar didn't do enough to protect their trademark. If Universal tried going after Konami over this, Konami would simply be able to point to all the other instances where Universal has not asserted their IP rights and argue that the suit is maliciously targeting Konami. That would mean it's a shakedown rather than a principled defence of Universal's rights. This is why certain companies behave in an apeshit way over IP; defend it or you effectively lose it because of common law jurisprudence.

>>8272521
As >>8266860 points out, people were calling the monster Frankenstein before the movies. I noticed Mark Twain did it in a story.

>>8270248
Somehow nothing like Shelley's monster ever made it big in a movie, so we just have to imagine. Maybe for the best. By contrast most screen Draculas are at least in the ballbark of Stoker's character, despite some differences, but there are different versions that are equally iconic.

I had an illustrated abridged edition of Frankenstein as a kid. I remember him being sort of yellowish with veiny, tranlucent skin

>>8272443
Why did they snub Wolf Man? Did Phantom of the Opera ever make it into a Castlevania game? Did Invisible Man ever... uh... appear?

>>8272580
>Why did they snub Wolf Man? Did Phantom of the Opera ever make it into a Castlevania game? Did Invisible Man ever... uh... appear?
Werewolves are in pretty much every game since Rondo of blood.
Invisible men appeared in the DS games, could be earlier but I don't remember.
Phantom of the opera is MIA I think but it's not like he really has a place in there.

>>8272443
>As for Dracula he isn't called "the count" but rather "count Dracula king of evil"
>Also "grim reaper" is "god of death" in japanese, so it should have been called simply "death", like in subsequent titles, and pretty much everywhere in the fucking world.
it literally says KING DEMON DORAKYURA COUNT and DEATH GOD but 魔王 (maou) and 死神 (shinigami) have are sort of known monsters like dragons and cyclops and shit
maou is sort of a generic term for a powerful monster. satan is maou, and so are equivalent powerful monsters in other mythology. it's also a common name for video game or anime villains. half the old RPGs involved a maou
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MaouTheDemonKing
shinigami is also general term for monsters somehow related to death. some are closer to the greek god hades, some are like horse headed creatures that live in the underworld. a lot of the characters from the anime bleach are shinigami. the grim reaper is usually referred to as shinigami too.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AD%BB%E7%A5%9E

>>8272624
Werewolves and Invisible Men both appear in later Castlevania games. I don't believe there was ever a proper Phantom of the Opera.

>>8272786
>achtually

>>8272786
>>8272802
Fun fact, the first time Japan used the term 魔王 (maou), at least in fiction, was in the Japanese translation of Lord of the Ring. 魔王 was the name given to the Witch King.

>>8267191
>just sticking a tall dude in a coat and calling it a day is pretty lazy
It was really well thought out for the time. This article goes into it fairly well.
https://www.monstersofmakeup.com/2020/11/12/making-up-universals-frankenstein/
>Tall dude made to seem taller based on burial records/practices in ancient Egypt
>Green makeup because it would appear unnaturally white when filmed in black and while
>Flat head because of the logistics of removing/inserting different brains.
Not lazy at all. Just seems so given the passing of time.

>>8273083
Karloff also shed a lot of weight for the role, already being a pretty skinny dude before. It's a rather committed act with some real thought put into the design.

>>8268620
>studio gives you cancer
>the paint won't wear off
>they sue you for being sick
>mfw

>>8272802
you can just avoid posts with more than 20 words if they're too much for you

>>8273296
What? No, Buddy Epsen didn't get cancer, and he wasn't sued either, the studio guys just thought he was faking it until they saw him in the hospital and his nurse told them to GTFO. That's when they realized that they needed to 1, get a new guy to play Tin Man, and 2, figure out how to paint him like shiny metal without poisoning him too.

it was like, aluminum poisoning or something, which probably wasn't a good time, but he got back on his feet after a few weeks of hospital care. Jake Haley, who was hired to replace him (except for the songs, which Epsen had already recorded), did get an eye infection from the new makeup, so he had to stop shooting for a couple of days, but he got better and could finish.

Buddy Ebsen didn't die until 2003, at the age of 95 (outliving Jake Haley), and had done a lot of hit movies and TV shows in his days, so it can't have been that extreme of a poisoning, it clearly didn't cut into his lifespan.

>>8272795
For what it's worth they are doing a Halloween event for Grimoire of Souls and it has Alucard disguised as the Phantom

>Rondofags once again seething about the classic monsters because they cannot reconcile the fact Castlevania owes its existence to those films and not bottom of the barrel generic anime garbage

Like clockwork.

>>8273465
Who are you quoting?

>>8273465
What're you talking about?

>>8273426
I was just shitposting but fun trivia none the less, i 've never seen the original wizard of oz desu

I wish castlevania stayed with the universal and mythological monsters and stayed away from demons The only exception are succubus's because they look like vampires

>>8273442
Can this still be played if you're not an applefag or is it kill?

>>8273465
what the fuck are you even talking about
The sprite in the OP is literally from Rondo of Blood

>>8273815
vampires are demons m8

>>8272802
>hmmm how can I demonize the act of being correct

>>8271737
>Literally fucking everyone knows this.
then why do they keep fucking it up

>>8273861
It's not correct though. "ma" doesn't mean demon (it's "oni"), it's only a vague term qualifying "magic" thing in the sense "mystique".
With more of a tendency towards evil rather than neutrality. Japanese has this kind of weird subtleties. So I'm sorry, but king of evil is much more accurate than demon king.

>>8273856
Rondofags are the type of hyper-weebs actually try to justify the garbage art style of that game, have nothing but contempt for Castlevania's origins in classic horror films (because it's not anime), have played none of the other games but will try to convince you with a straight face it looks better than Kojima's art.

>>8273854
Only apple for now. It was listed in that Nvidia leak, dunno if there was something legit about it

>>8273854
it's on android which means it's easy to steal

>>8274014
Do you by any chance know what a "strawman argument" is?

>>8274014
Nice strawman

>>8273887
I just reply that to anyone who posts "akshully" as if it's a bad thing to correct someone
I'm not actually following the argument

>>8274043
To play it you need to connect to the server and the android servers are dead. I don't know if there's another way but at least when I tried to access it the app juts shut down

>>8272802
based

>>8264896
>Are we certain they needed rights?
No. Bunch of non-lawyers here just shitting out their uninformed opinions.

The posters casually declaring "nobody gave a shit" are probably more correct than they realize, because if truly nobody gives a shit, it's going to be hard to win anything in court. Copyright gets harder to defend when there isn't a very clear imitation of the character from a specific copyrighted work (ie you are literally rendering a the Boris Karloff monster and not just the popular image of him), while trademark is hard to defend if the character isn't actively defended as one by the owning company. Disney using Steamboat Willie's depiction of Mickey in logos recently is most likely all about giving them ammunition in case anyone gets any funny ideas when that short goes into public domain in 2024.

>>8264841
How did this thread get over 100 replies without anyone calling the OP a complete retard? The character isn't called Frankenstein, and the likeness of Frankenstein isn't copyright and even if it were paraody law exist.

You people are fucking idiots

>>8273815
>The only exception are succubus's because they look like hot bitches
Fixed your spelling errors there m8

Universal wants to copyright everything, those money lusting kikes

>>8271723
Damn; now I want to run an AD&D hexcrawl set in FFI's world limited to the spells, monsters, and equivalent items that show up in FFI.

>>8272237
>lurch isnt a zombie, he's a zombie

>>8274710
Frankensteins are typically seen as a different form of undead.

>Zombie
Reanimated body that has no mind of its own.

>Frankenstein
Being made out of multiple body parts; is self-aware with varying degrees of intelligence

>>8274710
>>8274732
The Creature in the the original book was pretty damn smart, fully capable of reason, speech and able to read. He just looks like a monster because Frankenstein's process for creating him made a shambling mockery of a human form that looks more like a corpse than a living body. It's also why everyone treats him like shit

>>8274791
I'm talking about the monster archetype of Frankenstein monster, not THE Creature; that's why I used "Frankensteins"

>>8274595
Read >>8264967
Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus, the novel by Mary Shelley is in the public domain.
So is the character.
It's the specific design everyone associated with Frankenstein's monster what isn't in the public domain, but actually owned by Universal studios, and other examples posted here have kept it legally distinct enough (changing the scar or skin color, or location of the volts). Many Castlevania games like Rondo or Haunted House use the monster's likeness ripped straight from the movie without modifying it.
Also OP never called the monster Frankenstein, he called it creature like the castlevania games do lol

>>8264956
>the Creature does tell Victor Frankenstein "I am the Adam of your labours!"

Clearly not his name, however.

>>8275070
No, but it is funny because in her letters and writings post-publication, Shelley would call him Adam sometimes. Other times Ghoul, spook, creature and other such terms.

The original moster looks beautiful and horrible at the same time, put it simply, it looks like the yellowish corpse of a beautiful man.

>>8274049
It's a bad thing to correct someone if the correction is wrong, idiot.

>>8272237
>>8274710
I'm pretty sure Lurch is perfectly human. At least that's what I got from the show where his perfectly normal mom visits him. Addams family characters are just humans with quirks, Lurch being tall, strong and slow.

I would recommend the Hammer series of Frankenstein films. The Creature/Monster is only in the first one where is it played by the legendary Christopher Lee. It goes on a rampage.
The rest of the series says 'fuck it' to following the monster and instead follows Doctor Frankenstein, played by the also legendary Peter Cushing who goes around fucking up the place with mad science at every turn: transplanting a hunchback's brain into a normal body to see if it makes the body go hunchback (it does!), trying to prove the existence of a soul by performing soul transplants, and eventually making a new monster with the brain of a philosopher, the hands of an artists, and the body of an insane killer because it must be able to defend itself!

There is one episode where he finds the old monster frozen in ice which kind of sucks but then it turns out its really about a mad hypnotist using the monster to commit crimes.

>>8275494
Just started watching this one (I loved Horror of Dracula). I'm only up to the scene with the puppy, but glad to hear it picks up from there!

>>8275494
I prefer the 1994 frankenstein version. It inspired dozens of video games, so it must be good because of that.

>>8265002
>Because this sort of parody is fine in Japan, I believe.
It's probably fine in the US too although with the resurgence in popularity of comic book characters due to Capeshit movies it's probably riskier now than it was then. Most of the time it's not worth finding out whether you'd win in court or not so people play it safe.
>>8265021
It gets mentioned all the time by the infinitesimally small number of people who think it's relevant to any kind of conversation people typically have about the game.
>What's your favorite party in FF1?
>HEY! Did you know that FF1 is actually a rip off of D&D?
>Also btw Super Mario 2 is actually Doki Doki Panic in Japan.

>>8275589
It's a little slow, and Christopher Lee is not at his best. He was actually great as the Mummy, also opposite Cushing.
Man, Dracula should ditch Death and get Hammer Frankenstein in as his second in command. He'd probably accidentally mage a giant boss out of the body parts of previous Belmonts while trying to figure out if the ability to sing is located in the lips or some batshit wild theory that, of course, turns out to be right on the money.

>>8275494
Curse of Frankenstein is the vest serious adaptation of Frankenstein ever made imo but Young Frankenstein is still #1

>>8275626
>Dracula should ditch Death and get Hammer Frankenstein in as his second in command.
I think that's basically what happens in Van Helsing, the closest thing we'll ever get to a good Castlevania adaptation.

>>8275623
You need to get outside of /vr/ more. Most Final Fantasy fans don't even give a shit about the games before 7, and those who do barely give a shit about the first one. It only seems to come up all the time because it's rare as fuck outside of this board to run into someone who actually wants to talk about FF1.

>>8275830
No, what happens is dracula uses the creature as fuel to make his eggs alive using the same process as the doc's used to jump start it.
Frankenstein is long dead when the movie takes place.
Also the whole plot absolutely sucks, I only like the visuals.

>>8275494
Yeah Cushing's Frankenstein is great and not the typical type of Frankenstein

>>8273815
>The only exception are succubus's because they look like vampires
No, fuck that, if anything, that helped contribute and encouraged the fuck up by passing off dumb demon sluts (and lets be real, that's pretty much what they were) as vampires instead of giving us actual vampires. OoE was the first in a long time to avert that and gives us vampires that weren't basically just corrupt people with unrelated powers they probably already had, and it was still just baby steps barring Jiang Shi, that was neat.

Captcha:NAKJV
In a different context, that would probably be pretty funny.

>>8276057
So dracula and the squad of dwarves and skeletons kidnap white women, for what reason?

>>8272795
>Werewolves
Werewolves have actually been around for part of the beginning, particularly for Simon's adventures, first appearing in Simon's Quest and then the first amazing technicolor mohawk variation showing up as a boss in X68000. Rondo gave us the version we're probably all familiar with shortly afterwards and then werewolves in general just became more frequent. Invisible Man, however, at least as far as I know, didn't show up until PoR, yeah.

>>8276063
What, you think I'm throwing out the idea that Dracula uses them for sex? That wasn't the point, it's that if the original anon wants to throw out the demons, they arguably should throw out the suckubi as well because they're probably the most emblemic of what putting the focus on demons over Universal and/or gothic horror monsters has done, the lack of vampires that are decidingly vampires rather than basically humanoids with whatever array of magic powers and a lot of resilience.

>>8276068
Werewolves breed more white women. Dracula wants to create the 4 reich?

>>8276081
Define vampire. I don't quite get it from your posts.

>>8276068
Simon's Quest is a later game.

>>8276096
Probably the most succint way to put it is that vampires like the ones you get from the N64 games, Vampire Annete in DXC, and the Draculina mooks in OoE are, well, vampires. I'm probably being unfair in this, but stuff like LoI's Joachim Armster and PoR's Lecarde Twins less distinctly vampires to me, like I think they could be easily interpreted as being something else, like just stronger than usual magic people. Doesn't help that they don't really have much in the way of appearance, either, though that probably wouldn't help. PoR and OoE was kind of refreshing concerning Dracula, since most of the time he comes off as a demon king who just happens to be a vampire rather than a vampire who happens to be a demon king, if that makes sense?

Which is why I think it's silly to sugest getting rid of all the demonic influence except for of course the fucking succubi. The way I see it, succubi in CV tend to serve a particular niche, they typically just fly along the ground naked and either blow kisses at you and get in your face to kiss you to death, actual bloodletting varying from game to game. I do can see how one could pass them off as female vampires, but I think that's pigeonholding female vampires in particular and arguably vampires in general, because instead of giving us and maybe developing vampires, the developers throw us some succubi instead. That is to say, of all the examples of demons taking the place of universal mythological monsters that >>8273815 seems to take issue with, why keep one of what's likely the bigger examples
of it? Personally, I don't take too much issue with the presence of demons and succubi myself, outside of maybe the aforementioned, which I just live with, really.

>>8276101
It's like the third game made, after 1 and Vampire Killer, unless we're strictly talking about why a werewolf didn't show up in 1 and/or Vampire Killer, in which case, yeah, that's weird. From what little I know of, though, there was actually a lot ideas that were scrapped for one, one of them being, funnily enough, a werewolf transformation.

>>8276184
Is Dracula a cannibal incel?

>>8276202
he is literally me

>>8264997
The Hulk

>>8276202
>cannibal
Not out of the question. Drinking blood counts, right? He's done that a few times as an attack.
>incel
I was going to say no, but then the miserable son of a bitch typically has like five fucking minutes to live, there's no way he gets anything, never mind anyone, done.

>>8276084
What is that and what're you referencing

>>8276420
Hellsing. What he references doesn't happen in it.

>>8274859
>Read

Parody law supersedes copyright, lol, fucking moron

>>8276781
you seem retarded, gl with the law degree

>>8275418
Then just correct the false correction instead of going for the retarded "akshully" reply that just makes you sound spiteful and mad

>>8276781
Indeed. Let's see this:
>>8266807
To qualify as parody without coming off as rights infrigment, there's been changes to the original design:
>softening or adding angles to the top flat
>changing the scar's position and orientation
>changing the bots from the side of the neck to the side of the head, as fake headphones or outright removed
>using a different green from the one specifically trademarked by Universal (similar to how Coca-Cola and Mattel's Barbie have a specific copyright on a very specific PANTONE shade of red and pink, respectively)
>adding more hair, removing it altogether or making a whole new hairdo
This is done as "legally distinct" and there are many laws and nuances about it. An actor being mocked is a different law altogether, since he's a public persona, unless his persona is being used straight without satire for the sake of profit (this was pushed by attorney at law Bela Lugosi Jr., since universal were just profiting off his father's likeness).

Similarily to this, if you watch MAD parodies, particularily on their tv series and issues after the 80's, they had to change the subjects of their parodies ever so slightly to be legally distinct.

Let us not forget parody didn't protect Nintendo from Universal v. Nintendo, it was Universal shooting themselves on the foot, declaring King Kong in the public domain in a previous case when it was in their advantage and Kirby, Nintendo's lawyer, managed to get this case's documentation to get the case in favor of Nintendo. Had Universal not commited this mistake, we might've lost Donkey Kong.

>>8276975
>Had Universal not commited this mistake, we might've lost Donkey Kong.
And we likely also wouldn't have gotten Kirby out of it.

>>8276985
And the real Kirby and his family (estate?) got the exclusive rights to use the name and likeness of Donkey Kong for fishing. Kirby was a lover of fishing, he even got his own custom DK boat.

>>8276889
I didn't have to correct it because I did nothing wrong in the first place you brainlet.
I had perfect freedom to mock.

>>8264969
>>8271737
Technically since Dr. Frankenstien created him, the monster is his son. Therefore his last name would be Frankenstien.

>>8277091
Wait, does this mean when hIt kidnapped and ordered Victor to build him a Bride, The Creature wanted an imouto to bang?

>>8277107
Don't we all?

>The Creature
now hold on, that's somebody else

>>8277125
Although the movie is called Creature of the Black Lagoon, the monster's name is Gill Man

>>8277107

>>8277125

>>8277125
Thanks god we never got that creature from the black lagoon remake

>>8277107
Doesn't Frankenstein even point this out when he's stressed out on whether or not to give into the Creature's demands?

>>8277540

>>8278165
I honestly don't remember.

>>8265017
ahriman > beholder

OOOOOIIIIIIILLLLLLLL

>>8276057
I always assumed the various Lady Bats WERE suppose to be Vampires; they just took on the names of female demons known for giving men the SUCC.

>>8273815
The series is called "Demon's Castle Dracula". I'd expect SOME demons to show up at some point.

>>8278165
I don't remember if he ever thinks about that part, but having read the book again last year after so long, I think he stops himself from going through with the whole thing because 1) He realizes that the female might not even like the guy and will reject him, not to mention even if that doesn't happen, he's cosigning someone to this, and 2) He realistically has no reason to believe that the two of them will fuck off to South America or Africa or wherever once he does this, especially when this is coming from someone who admittedly murdered at least one person and framed another, and 3) If they do fuck off to nowhere, they'll possibly propagate and overrun humanity.

>>8278913
Maybe, I always figured they were basically werebats. You got werecats, too, I think, and Dracula's Castle has tougher variations in the form of Black Panthers and, funnily enough, Liliths.

>>8278953
Where the fuck is it implied the creature isn't sterile?

>>8264841
I think that his look is so iconic that, if someone used "The Creature" and gave us a heavily scarred, long haired, electricity wielding zombie quoting Milton, many people would be:"... Who?"

>>8266838
The CV version is a small, pixelated sprite.
Is that enough of a change to hold up in court?
Maybe not. It seems to me clearly a depiction of the classic monster.
But it's impossible to say what a court would decide since it was never challenged.

>>8278992
he thinks of himself as Adam and he wants an Eve to mate with
probably expects victor to just figure it out

It's not "The Creature" it's Frankenstein's Monster

You can keep The Thing. Keep the It.

Keep the creature, THEY DON'T MEAN SHIT!

>>8279243
THAT'S RIGHT BOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQJagD96X8U&ab_channel=VolgusZildrohar

>>8267238
Anon... He has three attacks, and use them in this order: attack A, attack B, attack C, then A, C, B and repeat. You know exactly what he will do. Antecipate your positioning and punish him between his moves.

>>8278992
I don't remember it ever being thought of between Victor and "Adam". The latter is lonely as hell and will quite possibly do anything to alleviate that, hence talking about creating a mate for himself with Victor in the first place. The former is probably too terrified, paranoid, and hopped up on revenge towards his creation and the murders he committed to consider that.

>>8272949
Is there a source for that?

>>8275626
Dracula is lucky the Grim Reaper isn't the final boss instead.

>>8265368
>>8265419
Yes you are. I was going to say this is the first time I've seen an image get this right. it's not Stallone, it's another still from predator. Are you really so dumb you think it has the be Stallone because they re-colored the hair?

>>8278992
Chapter 20

>Even if they were to leave Europe, and inhabit the deserts of the new world, yet one of the first results of those sympathies for which the dæmon thirsted would be children, and a race of devils would be propagated upon the earth, who might make the very existence of the species of man a condition precarious and full of terror.

>>8264841
They said "Fucka u kikesu! Eat my shito!" and since the kikes couldn't use their white guilt tactics on them, japs won.

>>8280768
oooh

Frankenstein shoes.

Good spooky thread

>>8264997
Japan didn't give a fuck back in the 80s and 90s

>>8265441
Someone has never heard of Harlon Ellison

>>8275434
What about thing?

>>8283658
Harlan Ellison is a special kind of dickwad though.

>>8264841
Frankenstein is public domain.

>>8283981
He really was. I'll never forgive him for stealing that hotdog. I drove almost an hour for it.

>>8284298
The novel is.
The character design we associate with the monster is property of universal. Frankenstein's daemon was a tall, /fit/ handsome dude with long hair, the reason he's treated as a failure is because of his yellow watery eyes and sickly skin. He's vaguely described, but in general makes him sound like an un canny moving corpse

>>8267226
I hate mutts and their inability to speak phonetically so much it's unreal.

>>8284740
Any art which interprets him based on the novel? The idea of a creature which is like a middleground between handsome mancandy and uncanny and disturbing apparition seems like it would be a unique kind of scary.

>>8283618
bandai sells toys from all these movies. This is the same type of copyright infringement as space jam 2

>>8285269
Only one I know is the original illustration, a carving which was used as the cover of the novel that depicted by the creature on the floor confused while the doctor runs away in fear.
It's sometimes still used in some publications

>>8283981
Harlan Ellison's name is a registered trademark. Whenever I get spam emails shilling scifi books, they write his name with a ®. He was truly the single biggest faggot in the entire universe.

>>8285269
Found this, might be related

>>8265368
Streets of Rage 2 cover meanwhile had a JCVD looking Axel and an ominous laughing Schwarzenegger in the background.

>>8285412
There was a Hugo Awards collection with an introduction done by Asimov where he recounted a story where Ellison SPECIFICALLY hired prostitutes to follow him around at a convention so he could use them as pretense to laugh at the crowd and other writers.

>>8285541
>>8284740
>>8285269
>How can I describe my emotions at this catastrophe, or how delineate the wretch whom with such infinite pains and care I had endeavoured to form? His limbs were in proportion, and I had selected his features as beautiful. Beautiful! Great God! His yellow skin scarcely covered the work of muscles and arteries beneath; his hair was of a lustrous black, and flowing; his teeth of a pearly whiteness; but these luxuriances only formed a more horrid contrast with his watery eyes, that seemed almost of the same color as the dun-white sockets in which they were set, his shriveled complexion and straight black lips.

>>8285269
Not art but there was a TV movie made in the early 2000s that tries to recreate the look in live action as best they can

>>8286696
What's the movie called? Just Frankenstein? I'm intrigued.

>>8286769
Yeah, just Frankenstein. It was made in 2004. But be warned, there’s another Frankenstein TV movie from 2004 with the same title but they’re vastly different. One is based sort of off the Dean Koontz novels and is a modern day thing. The other is a pretty faithful adaptation of the novel

>>8286696
That's actually a pretty effective recreation of how I pictured it. It's not entirely the same as>>8286584 but it conveys much of the same idea.

>>8286696
Looks like michael jackson on nose job 15 of 50

>>8287202
>soulless patchwork monster
yeah, makes sense

>>8264908
That's an actual legit concern the Red Cross has (erosion of what the symbol means), and the iconic red cross symbol is protected under the geneva convention. Someone who bears the red cross in a warzone is protected under that law, and anyone who interferes with or fires upon him is going to be up shit creek for it.

>>8264969
Smart men know that Frankenstein is not the monster, but wise men know that Frankenstein is the monster.

>>8267983
Ironically, colors are very important in black and white movies in order to get the proper contrast. Pic related is the set of The Addams Family TV series.

>>8270312
>It's been the enemy's standard design for most of the "Metroidvania" CV games since.
Actually no, the design was only reused in Portrait of Ruin (which has many tributes to Rondo due to it being an important part of the story) and Harmony of Despair, outside of that The Creature has had a different design in every game.

https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/The_Creature/Enemy_Data

>>8283697
He's an arm. Cousin IT is the oddest of the closest members of the family imo.

>>8286584
>his hair was of a lustrous black, and flowing;
>his watery eyes, that seemed almost of the same color as the dun-white sockets in which they were set, his shriveled complexion and straight black lips.
yfw the OG creature is essentially an emo goth

>>8285890
>dat blaze
Watching that I've got a blaze too.

>>8276084
Le edgy pol tourist

>>8276202
Dracula literally has a harem of undead sluts in his castle

>>8277540
It’s called Jaws, and it’s one of the greatest movies ever made

>>8287740
>That's an actual legit concern the Red Cross has
People learning to associate the Red Cross symbol with help and emergency healthcare in emergencies is a bad thing?

>Ironically, colors are very important in black and white movies in order to get the proper contrast.
True. You could play around with which greys would work, but that'll take a lot more time, so just going by normal colors is easier. Plus, it'll make everything look right if you do any colored production stills for promotional use, or whatever.

>>8287998
He might actually be an escaped schizo from /x/.

>>8288004
It's unbelievable how good that movie is for its narrow budget, and for how troublesome production was. The shark prop was generally referred to as "Piece of fucking shit" by Spielberg.

>>8288204
>People learning to associate the Red Cross symbol with help and emergency healthcare in emergencies is a bad thing?
It's more the disassociation with the group itself which has a lot of protections in time of war. The red cross is to mean "The Red Cross", not "Medic". Hard to put into words, the 'tism is fucking me and an evil cold ravaging Scotland got a hold of me.

>>8287740
>Someone who bears the red cross in a warzone is protected under that law, and anyone who interferes with or fires upon him is going to be up shit creek for it.
So why doesn't every soldier just wear a red cross and become invincible?

>>8265187
The smb song isnt a copy you tone deaf autist. A small riff from a T-Square song matches. This is literally like saying if a novel shares a sentence with another it stole the whole novel. Music is even worse, there is far less combinations of music notes than any other medium.

>>8288621
Basically if you bear the red cross with intent to deceive or engage in combat outside of self defense of themselves or their wounded (and don't try and be cute about what counts as "self-defense") you've committed a war crime. If you bear the red cross, you are a noncombatant. Full stop.

Though there are no official punishments for breaking the rules of war, other nations and humanitarian groups may demand that you take action or they'll impose sanctions or withdraw aid completely. If you want to be the guy responsible for the red cross refusing to aid your people, don't be surprised if you're put against a wall with a blindfold.

>>8265187
You mean the underground theme? That's based on the opening of a much longer song.

>>8288669
So if war breaks out in my town I should just wear red crosses and as long as I don't fight back I won't be shot at? Sounds like a pretty good deal.

>>8288701
You're already considered a noncombatant by being a civilian, and as such already protected. Wearing the red cross' emblems while not being associated with them is a war crime anyway so you'd just make yourself a target for consequences.

I recommend giving the geneva conventions a read.

>>8288669
>if you bear the red cross with intent to deceive you've committed a war crime.
Why the fuck would anyone doing it care that you consider it to be "literally hitler"?

>>8288707
The problem is with all the riots civilians still get targeted anyway. I bet they'd target Red Cross members even more.

>>8288740
The fuck are you on about?

>>8288697
IIRC it was the iconic 1-1 theme

>>8288628
This, there's many songs that have the same notes in Elec Man's theme from Mega Man 1 (I don't know the name of normalfag songs, I only like vidya music, but it's the opening notes and I've heard them sometimes on radio elsewhere) and I know one song that has the same as a-ha's take on me.

>>8288628
>there is far less combinations of music notes than any other medium
That doesn't make sense. A piano has 88 keys, and even more combinations of notes with all those keys. The English language has 26 letters. Sounds should be able to make way more combinations than words can.

>>8289354
48 scales
170k English words
Dumbfuck

>>8289423
Technically there are infinite words, just they are made up. No one is using 170,000 words in their lives. Most people only know around 20,000.

And it's not how many "scales" there are, it's how you combine them. There are infinite combinations.

>>8289659
There aren't infinite combinations you absolute dullard. You have no clue what you are talking about at all.
You know its a totally normal and correct option to keep your mouth shut when you are totally ignorant of a topic instead of trying to argue and debate everything you see and hear?

>>8285269
None other than Boris Vallejo, whose art graces many retro games, no less, painted this.

>>8283618
In the pilot chapter Kinnikuman was Ultraman's bastardar son.

>>8289834
With all the different pieces of music that have been created over the last 2,000 years alone it may as well be infinite. I doubt we'll ever "run out" of new songs.

>>8290102
You would accuse the vast majority of being plagerized from Oog by Trog in 5700 BC

>>8276202
Nigga Dracula got married twice and even has a child.

>>8290102
My mind is small so infinity might as well be small
lo. no. There are many, many very big things that exist outside that hamster wheel you call a brain.

>>8275827
PUTTIN ON THE RITZ

>>8290306

>>8289923
Are you serious? I had no idea. Never seen the pilot/one shot.

>>8289905
God, that man was amazing.

>>8290686
>"Abby... Normal..."