/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8266698
No.

RGB is so soulless you might as well use fucking HDMI

composite is the way games were meant to be played

s-video is superior

>>8266714
>>8266734
there appears to be a pretty major difference between composite and s-video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gepVy8Mwp6s>>8266734

>>8266738
Agreed

I keep forgetting that gamers in other territories were cursed with smudged graphics.

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>>8266751
Cope

>>8266749
yes, s-video has less color bleeding and a sharper image, but 90 percent of us (americans) played with composite (or rf) back in the day, and i seriously prefer the softer/muddier/color bleeding composite image. it looks "right".
also, composite is the only way to get the rainbows in sonic.

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>>8265492
You're the wrong color.

>>8266759
The costs, the costs they are, a-sinking

>>8266698
Wait, there are people with CRTs that don't support RGB? Why even live?

>>8267340
They're Americans. And even worse than that, Americans who didn't even bother buying a PVM back when they were cheap.

>>8266698
I haven't used S-video much, but from what I've seen of it it's pretty comparable with RGB. I really doubt you're going to get much out of modding your set, assuming all your hardware supports s-video. It's a minor upgrade, nowhere near the leap from Composhit to S-video.

Nice to have, but I don't know if I'd bother modding a TV if I lived in a shithole without SCART.

What's the reason us Americans never got SCART, anyways? I've never bothered to look into it before.

s-video is the perfect blend of sharpness and bleed/crawl

>>8266714
holy freaking based

S-video really doesn't look that different than component in that screenshot.

>>8266698
>Have you rgb modded your crt?
Mod? I just have a PVM. What, you don't?

>>8267384
You guys didn’t make it a law to unify tv standards like Europe did

My TV already has Component so I'd be RGB-modding my consoles not my TV.

>>8267375
Do modern panels that are sold in the US don't have scart port? I just bought a 50" for my mother and it came equipped with scart. Not that we still have any use for it, but it's still there. Germany that is.

>>8267596
Not him, but nope. I live in the US and I've never seen a single display with a scart port before.

>>8267596
USA didn't get scart

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>>8267375
>no 32" bvm
sad days
I would seriously kill for a 20" or even a 13" pvm. I have to keep my crt setup in another room and it's a little annoying because there's nowhere to sit really.

>>8266698
I haven't owned a CRT TV that didn't have RGB or Component in over decades. I use component because I want the best quality that's easy to manage cabling. I have about 20 systems set up at any given time so cabling and switching is a major issue. And for older systems having a dedicated device to handle decoding instead of using the same one in the TV is great. Unfortunately, some of this stuff isn't available off the shelf or is ridiculously expensive if it is. Imagine paying $100+x20 for meme transcoders.

>>8266769
I grew up on RF and later Composite to VCR to RF. It wasn’t until I was a teen when I got component for my PS2. I prefer the highest quality possible from any given system and would not go back.

>>8268098
How did that happen? Did you grow up in a one goat village in Africa or did you get a PS2 in the late 80s?

>>8266698
>Have you rgb modded your crt?
fuck no
>Do you think the jump from s-video to component is worth it?
not nearly as big as the jump from composite to s-video is
>Debating whether or not I want to go through the effort of doing it, or if I should just order an s-video cable.
Just get an early 2000s TV with composite/s-video/component and stick to the highest-supported video format for each system. The TVs are under $20 and s-video cables are like less than $10

>>8266714
unironically this. after spending hundreds of dollars on official cables and mods for all my consoles, I realized that one of the reasons why I liked the PS2 was the specific blurriness caused by composite cables. and that this applied to other consoles as well.
back in the day I played through AF so composite is already a massive step up.

>rgb

I've modded a few TV sets at this point. I think you really notice it with games with a lot of text. It's just a touch sharper, easier to read over S Video.

If you don't have the skill and are unwilling to learn how to do it, I don't think it's worthwhile to pay someone over just getting decent S Video wires and a nice extron switch.

>>8268498
>not nearly as big as the jump from composite to s-video is
this is kind of funny because I don't think composite on PAL is as bad looking as NTSC

>>8268456
Not him, but I had to use RF until the 2010's cuz it was all my tv's supported. I had to play Skyrim in RF for a while. Eventually I got a CRT that supported composite in like 2013 and it was a world of difference. I didn't get an HDTV until like 2017 I think.

>>8268797
So poor African as opposed to time traveler. Got it.

>>8269007
I'm American, sorry I should have mentioned that. My family was kinda poor and I was stupid so I didn't know anything about TV's so even if I could've gotten a better TV I didn't know that what I had was so bad until I got the composite TV.

>>8269092
I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm also American but never knew any poor so have no idea what kind TVs they had. Interesting to know.

>rgb modded
*laughs in European*

>>8267601
>>8267620
Sure, but I would assume it's more expensive to sell customized TVs on each different market, and since all of our TVs are made in the same factory in China, it's probably tideous to have one line produce TVs with Scart, while the other line makes TVs with an equally outdated RF port.

>Scart?
Sorry I don't know him.

>>8267467
>i overpaid for a shittier experience, didn't you?

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>>8268519
It was the standard for arcade machines for over two decades. Idiots.

>>8266769
Grew up using RF or Composite. NES/SNES. Never again, RGB or bust.

Btw fuck sonics waterfall nigga

>>8266698
>Have you rgb modded your crt?
I personally wouldn't, but depending on the consoles you play, here's your answer

Do you have a psx? go straight to s-video, there is no superior quality beyond that in terms of reliability and for me at least it is (if not) the best possible quality for that console, because you will most likely have to modify the console if you want to go further in terms of quality

If you have a ps2, then things change, because if you want the best possible image, you will have to modify your television or buy another with component connections and a component cable for said ps2, or a European television with scart and a good scart cable, because there are a lot of cheap scart cables out there that are shitty low quality and don't give you the best possible picture.

or for example, if you have a dreamcast, go straight to a VGA monitor
lol

>>8269703
given all the other changes for the US market (like the different video standard+timings), no manufacturer was putting out TVs with a port that wasn't used in that market
if the US used PAL, or the Europeans used NTSC, that'd be a different story, and it'd probably just be easier to ship the same TVs everywhere.

>>8266769
>composite is the only way to get the rainbows in sonic.
Too high level of bait, anon. The zoomers here won't bite because they have no idea.

>>8270975
Both the PSX and PS2 output RGB out of the box.

>>8266698
Depends on how mental you are about video quality, on a CRT video quality isnt very nessesary. Composite can look really good as long as its shielded well and got a good comb filter. Can also have some benefits such as proper dithering.

>>8269703
>i would asszoom

>>8266698
what kind of deranged pedophile keeps making these fake pictures?

>>8267375
>but I don't know if I'd bother modding a TV if I lived in a shithole without SCART.
nobody believes for a moment you could modify your mac and cheese by adding more cheese, you fat fuck.

>>8271087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gepVy8Mwp6s
Him?

>>8266698
Didn't have to. I personally like the color vibrancy and clarity you get with RGB. S-Video is still perfectly fine, and is sometimes the best you're going to get with some consoles without modding them (N64, hardware rev. Gamecube, etc.)

Svid is good enough for any 3d stuff for me. Especially N64 seems like there's no point going past svid. 3D games on a CRT it's more important just that the brightness and contrast are high enough.
I like RGB on my snes and genesis. That's what really wows me.

>>8266698
You mean attach a few wires to a chassis that's attached to a CRT? Sure. I've done that. I've also power modded a chassis that's attached to a CRT. Most of the CRTs I've worked on didn't come with a PSU or any cable and connector to plug it into anything.

>>8268098
I used to play my snes with the rf not even plugged in. Just dangling close enough it would still work. Didn't even realize until when I was cleaning up behind the tv

>>8271840
I have a famiclone that's basically designed to work that way. It comes with an antenna to plug into the RF connector and outputs a strong enough signal to broadcast to a Tv pretty far away. Ironically It also had wireless controllers. So you can put console in the middle of the room and use it completely wirelessly, having the worst of all worlds.

>>8266698
SCART MASTER RACE

>>8268714
I'm new to CRTs, can you explain why the anode cap is in a ziplock bag

>>8273847
I am not (that) new to CRTs, and i too would like to know the answer to this.

>>8266714
/thread

>>8266752
I keep forgetting that gamers in other territories were cursed with slower games, less/late releases and shitty micros

Why aren’t you playing +R on a comfy 1ms LCD monitor OP

>>8273847
>>8274102
The anode cap has dielectric grease on it, put it in a zip lock to keep it from getting everywhere

>>8274510
Hmm, depends on the CRT. I guess that keeps the grease clean if you don't want to reapply it, as well.

>>8273847
>>8274102
>i'm new to ziplock bags and would like to know what they're used for
Very curious to see if you guys really can't figure this one out on your own

>>8266698
Bought one that had been modded from someone else who was downsizing their collection.
Yes it's fucking stunning if you've never seen it before, I was expecting only a minor improvement over s-video but I was floored. Getting the right cables can be annoying and expensive, but It's definitely worth it.

>>8274784
>Getting the right cables can be annoying and expensive
Are you retarded or just making the whole thing up?

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>>8274719
I dunno. If you expose the dielectric grease on anything really old or dirty you want to change it. Why wouldn't you clean it and go again? Why bother bagging it, if you're worried?

>>8266714
>Me in the 90s with a TV that supported S-Video

>>8274654
I always end up cleaning it off and applying fresh stuff. It's cheap

>>8274964
I do end up cleaning it off, just wait to see if I can do the rgb mod or not since evey crt is different

>>8275336
alright, fair point. I've encountered several sets i couldn't mod.

>>8275390
Yeah, I'm sure every set is moddable in some way or another but my skills I can only do the easy ones. Once I get rgb injection working I pull the pcb back out, clean it off, maybe replace caps. Then do final install

>>8275587
>Yeah, I'm sure every set is moddable in some way or anothe
Nah. Only color ones.

>>8268513
>one of the reasons why I liked the PS2 was the specific blurriness caused by composite cables
weird

>>8266769
>also, composite is the only way to get the rainbows in sonic.
this is a bad thing