/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8251053
Are 2 and 3 liked at all? The series never clicked for me after the first game, probably because the engine wasn't really suited for the sort of environments they went for. They should have stuck to caves and temples and not trying to overreach

>>8251060
2 is considered the best game
All PS1 era games are worth playing except Chronicles

it didnt have lara home but most retarded hand holding tutorial segment you cannot skip

Is it? I often hear it mentioned as the best.

>>8251053
>Why is it less liked than 2 and 3?
I have never seen anyone saying they prefer 2 or 3 than absolutely brilliant The Last Revelation. Some considered it the best out of all classics or at least as good as TR1.

>>8251167
Its funny how some think that 4 is a low effort game or that Core wanted to get rid of Lara when its arguably the best classic TR.

>>8251053
I think most people simply not played it.

tits

>>8251053
Like other Tomb Raider games after 2, it's designed with the best intentions and looks good on paper, but messes up the execution. It's arguably better than TR3, but only Dreamcastfags tend to put it above TR1 or 2.

>cut down on the shitty human combat that plagued the last two games.
Human combat was great in TR1 and 2. Their inclusion makes sense to the plot, melee guys are just substitutes for gorillas, flamethrower guys are a rare but dangerous threat if come across unexpectedly, knife throwers are fun to evade while fighting, and the average gun guys have the same hitscan weapons as Lara which makes battles with them interesting tests of your manoeuvrability.
What's worse is they substituted it with silly sandninja fights which are just a case of lowering then drawing your shotgun, and an overabundance of invincible threats. The skeletons were fun opponents, but the amount of shit you just have to run from is disappointing.
>The level are some of the best in the series with the sprawling, multi-level areas with good puzzles and atmosphere.
There's a lot of good levels but there also the unskippable tutorial, retarded hubs that let you enter areas you cannot progress through, and the last 20% of the game is a slog
>It kept all the gameplay additions from before and added even more.
It kept the unnecessary additions from TR3 and added its own garbage like ropeswinging, opening trapdoors, and unique lever designs
>Story is also much better
Definitely better than TR3, but not as good as Natla's backstabbing and uncovering Atlantis in TR1, or Lara inserting herself into the long-standing Bartoli/Barkhang beef from TR2.

Terrible puzzles.

>>8251053
> went back to the focus of exploring tombs
> cut down on the shitty human combat
> sprawling, multi-level areas with good puzzles and atmosphere
You've sold me on trying this game. I loved TR1 but quit part way through TR2 because the combat was not fun and the way enemies would pop out of nowhere and immediately start blasting you felt cheap. TR1 was good because it the atmosphere was immersive, the exploration was compelling, and the puzzles were fun.

>>8251060
I get the idea that Tomb Raider 2 had going but apart from some levels, it was never that engaging or interesting to explore as Tomb Raider 1. I have no idea if this is true >>8251098 but I suppose back in the 90s normies could consider Tomb Raider 2 the best because it was more combat oriented, an aspect of the gameplay that was more crude in the first.

>>8251157
>>8251282
>unskippable tutorial
I'd just use the level skip cheat. Also, IIRC some versions allow you to skip Von Croy's dialogue with a press of the look button.

That being said, I don't really like TR4 much. Some changes and additions to it I'm not too fond of. I'm trying to give it a proper playthrough to improve my opinion of it, but I've kind of burned out at Alexandria. I've currently taken a detour to TLA, as I have yet to also properly play that from start to finish without skipping levels.

>>8251353
>0:08
holy moly 90s women with short hair made me rock hard

The Last Revelation is a wet dream of every egyptomaniac. There's 3000 years of Egyptian history, from era of pyramids through golden ages of the new kingdom and magnificent Karnak temple to sunken Ptolemy ruins of Cleopatra's palace and even medieval Citadel in Cairo.
Puzzles are very challenging and often rooted in mythology and history of Egypt and it's not just the basics they teach in school. Developers went much deeper although not completely nerdy either. Dark secret passages, deadly traps and beautiful chambers. You can even drive a Landrover and jump on a train to Alexandria.

This is obviously my fav TR game of all time although TR1 and Anniversary come close.

>>8251053
I don't think it's less liked, whenever it's mentioned today it's recognized as a quality entry for the reasons you mentioned, it was less popular at the time because of the yearly release fatigue, people ignored it as they moved on to other games, and eidos was rightfully criticized for milking the formula too much without improving issues like control stiffness.

Now we're used to games being milked to death with a new cod or asscreed every year with the same recycled engine and gameplay but at the time, shit was evolving so fast that while tr1 was seen as revolutionary the same engine and gameplay was seen as terribly dated just 3 years later. Chronicles really hammered in that fatigue, no one took Lara's death seriously.

>>8251053
It's a contender for Best for sure. I think people are just tired of Tomb Raider in the same engine after 3 games

First half is really great, but I hate Cairo section.

>>8251363
They added a million shitty hitscanning enemies to TR2 because people found out that you can cheeze 90% of the encounters in the first game by standing on a rock and shooting animals with your infinite ammo pistols until they died.

They also upped the difficulty significantly because outside of a couple of fights and one very retarded platforming section filled with instant death in Natla's Mines (you know the one) the first game isn't really difficult at all, especially if you keep a good eye out for secrets. Even on a casual playthrough these days I can finish the game with thousands of rounds of ammo for the Magnums and Uzis, hundreds of shells for the shotgun, and 30+ of each healthpack. Because TR2 allowed players to save anywhere, the devs put in a lot more instant death traps, because they assumed that players would be saving often.

I love the first game, to this day I don't think there has ever been another game to absolutely nail the sense of isolation and exploration that Tomb Raider does so well. As far as I am concerned 2 and 3 are dogturds, The Last Revelation is great, and half of is great and the other half is just ok.

>>8251947
I read an interview a while back that said that the team knew that TLR was going to be the last real TR game on the PS1, so they poured their heart and soul into it, and it definitely shows. Chronicles was a quick cash-in while they worked on next-gen stuff, and it has very uneven quality as a result.

>>8251363
TR2 is the worst one in the amount of human with hitscan weapons. They show up occasionally in other games but are nowhere near as bad.

>>8254720
As long as you're not a retard that just trades bullets with the enemies, they're good encounters. Getting behind enemies, or circle-strafing them, or being defensive and using the environment to break their target locks or get out of range, all make for fun fights. If there's an awkwardly placed enemy giving you shit, they can just be one-shotted with a nade when other approaches fail.
They took inspiration from the great battles with Natla's henchmen and just expanded them across the game.

>>8254752
I've beaten the game multiple times , sonny. Just helping anon out. Doesn't excuse out of nowhere dude with guns spawns, the Venice levels were specially egregious with many of them showing up on narrow places where you'd just fall in the water while trying to maneuver.

>>8254752
Natla's Henchmen battles were the worst part of Tomb Raider. That faggot Pierre Dupont would show up out of nowhere in an area he literally could not have gotten to before you, then shoot you for a while, then disappear as soon as you lost line of sight with him (meaning he could vanish in the middle of a dead end room), meanwhile animal enemies are ignoring him and running right past him to get to you.

Blowing him away for good with a set of your own Magnums was the only satisfying part of any of the henchmen battles. You can skip the zoomer on rollerblades fight since there is a set of uzis in an alcove overlooking the arena, and if I remember right you can skip the cowboy fight as well since he doesn't give you anything. The only one you actually need to kill in Natla's Mines is the giga nigga who has your shotgun.

>>8254783
>meanwhile animal enemies are ignoring him and running right past him to get to you.
His French odour repels them

>>8251053
>The level are some of the best in the series
I have to disagree on that. Especially because of the sprawling, multi-level areas. Shit's a mess.

I wish Lara could return.

>>8256760
you can always play some trle games.

>>8256890
I'm more of a Lara fan than TR fan if you know what I mean.

>>8257049
me 2
>>8257094
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>>8257269
He's trying to say that lady Croft is quite busty.

>>8254783
The Cowboy has the magnums and you can get the shotgun from one of the secrets in the level. In fact, you can even skip the shotgun guy altogether by exploiting that one door that tries to bait you.

>>8257330
oh yeah, i mean, i think everybody knew it already. Not an issue to worry about

>>8257726
> That CGI scene in the Ireland level of Chronicles where you catch a split second of 16 year old Lara's underboob

Imagine if that shit had released today, the internet would explode.

>>8257330
>shoes on the bed

As a kid, TR4 being set in only one location kinda put me off on it.
But we were kinda fatigued of TR by then anyways.

>25th anniversary
>Squeenix did nothing except tell you to go re-buy their games
What a fucking waste.

>>8251053
It's my personal favorite. It's a bit of a downgrade from multiple settings and outfits to just one, but that's it.

>>8259490
They don't care about Lara and her franchise a single bit.

>>8259506
nigga, how do you find this kind of pics? I spend hours on devianart, using filters, etc and didn't find anything new like your pic

>>8259557
Not him, but try here
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=lara_croft
You can also try sankaku complex.

>>8259557
Just like you on deviantart, I was just lucky I guess during these almost nine years since I've fallen for her. There are groups that can feature best artists and you can go from here in "see more" section ad infinitum.
https://www.deviantart.com/tomb-raider-groupies/gallery/
https://www.deviantart.com/tomb-raider-groupies/gallery/
Also do you know why some pictures are named properly when you save them and some have those random sequences of letters/numbers?

>>8259583
https://www.deviantart.com/art-of-tombraider/gallery/
https://www.deviantart.com/tombraidercorefans/gallery/
https://www.deviantart.com/tombraiderfanclub/gallery/
Fucked up the second link.

>>8259572
thanks friend, it works smoothly on loliSnatcher. The problem with this is the porn pics, i mean, of course i love to see her naked but not always. I think filters isn't a big thing on this app, so, nothing more than 4-5 filters are allowed (and that sucks).

>>8259583
>Also, do you know why some pictures are named properly when you save them and some have those random sequences of letters/numbers?

what do you mean? you refer to my pics? if so it's because i always use a tool to erase the EXIF data of the image before sharing it. Call me a schizo or whatever, but i don't want my data to be leaked in a website that uses cloudflare tbqh.

if you meant the filename after downloading a pic that's another issue. Do you download your stuff directly on your PC/laptop or do you use some app in your mobile (like me, sometimes)?
Downloading stuff from devianart may be a pain in the dick if you want to get a full gallery, so, for doing that i use gallery-dl in conjunction with "DevianArt Filter" (a browser addon). Or, now that i remember... i also used "Booru Slideshow", it's another addon that shows results using tags while checking results from a huge range of booru sites.

Also, thanks both for the link!

>>8259636
>I think filters isn't a big thing on this app, so, nothing more than 4-5 filters are allowed
It's not an app thing. The websites restrict the number of filters. If you want more, you need to buy premium. A way to bypass that would be to blacklist tags associated with porn.

>>8259636
I don't use any addons, just open pics in full size and save it by right click.
I was talking about file names, normal ones like this one instead of sequences like these "dcrr2i1-90a4957b-199e-4b3b-b8e7-1f1c8d3ca921", they're both formed by deviantart.

>>8259640
i see. Well, you can still use the DevianArt Filter addon to block any tags you want without buying anything.
>>8259647
>just open pics in full size and save it by right click.
that's... a way to do it of course, but you can speed up the process by using addons. I've one that by only hover the mouse over the pic shows it in full size (without clicking or leaving the site) and then downloading it by pressing a key. It works for me, but since you won't use addons i cannot help you with that. I suppose it has to do with how the image server of devianArt rename the files.

>>8259686
before you call me a addonfag or similar i only emphasize the use of this tools because you can get what you want faster and better. Using the hovering addon for example, the pic filename has a proper name for the file as you can see

>>8259741
What is this bikini pic on the bottom row "France - Tristan"? Never seen it.

>>8259812
sauce bro: http://james--c.deviantart.com/art/Square-Enix-France-Tristan-336169470?q=gallery:James--C/25181700&qo=51

>>8251773
king taste

>>8259886
Thanks.
Damn, I hate when artists change her eye color as if there's something wrong with it. I like her big beautiful brown eyes. You either like the character as she is or just fuck off.

>>8259918
wait what, didn't notice. You're right, her eyes are green wtf.
hope this pic helps

Is there, in any of TR games, a way to "entomb" Lara with no way out?

>>8261407
At the end of TLR she "dies" by getting shut inside the tomb.

>>8261407
>>8261424
I think one of these games has trapdoor that closes when Lara stays too long in the room. Or maybe that was one of early 3d Indiana Jones games?

>>8261424
It's a very light description, entire building crumbled onto her, only (plot) magic saved her for AoD.
>>8262413
Don't remember anything like this. In that case there would be some special premature game over scene like the midas hand one.

>>8251053
because lara dies at the end and it makes us seethe and cry

I really wish we got more out of AoD. As flawed as it was, it was the last game to really retain the core spirit of Tomb Raider, excuse the pun.
I remember installing it and seeing this all new DirectX 9, blowing my little juvenile mind, and really cementing that next-gen feeling.

>>8264868
Ehh I really liked Legend for the 1st time. Now looking back it's too much action/shooting heavy but damn ruins in Bolivia or Ghana were mindblowing. Shame the game was so laughably short and boss fights as well as quick time events ruined the feeling.

>>8264868
I liked AoD but getting more of it would probably mean more Kurtis or what's even worse Kurtis with Lara, so maybe LAU wasn't really the worst outcome here.

>>8265703
>Kurtis with Lara

Not on my watch.

>>8251353

There was a whole series of these videos with Crash guy, CG Lara and Sweet Tooth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUA7-HJXSUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NDCddw-Nho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7kBcJOZisY

I think these commercials were from 1997, and made to promote the Playstation Greatest Hits line (the $29.99 price drop games), which included Crash Bandicoot 1, Tomb Raider 1 and Twisted Metal 1 and 2 (?) as well as other games.

>>8268871
Lara's CG model looks great in those ads. True to the character, and well animated. And well inserted with the real actors.

>>8254720
Some people complain about Lara's limited combat abilities. That shouldn't be an issue. Aside from being a woman, she is an explorer, not a commando. What is an issue, is taking a game with severely limited combat mechanics, and shoehorning a bunch of combat into it. Even when you figure out effective techniques (such as continuously rolling), it still isn't fun.

25 years anniversary and Lara gets nothing. Is there a more cursed franchise?

Here's your 25 years of the franchise anniversary celebration content.

>>8277256
Tomb raider is dead, did you really expect the soiboys, troons and dikes making the new games to properly honor it?

>>8277276
I expected at least that mobile to come out that they teaser'd a year ago. But this is not even funny at this point.