/vr/ - Retro Games

I need to get through Burnout Revenge and Legends so I can move onto Dominator, preferably before the year's end (so I can keep to the 20th anniversary theme).

>>8254281
good luck buddy, revenge is probably my personal favorite and idc what anyone says

>>8254141
can’t enjoy NFSU2 and NFSMW anymore because rubberbanding is very obvious

>>8254573
i cant enjoy them as much anymore because of HOW FUCKING DRAGGED OUT THEY FEEL, especially most wanted

No wonder Zeroforce is at the bottom of the bottom.

>>8254581
And then they made Carbon too short

>>8254597
That is a grammatically valid sentence, even if it seems weird.

>>8254573
police chases are still fun

Can anyone with a NeGcon tell me what their default deadzones are like via USB? My L button responds with sub-1mm of travel, full range. My I and II require about 2mm of pre-travel before they start moving, but they count up/down from 128 counts, so I can get 127/129 readings and beyond, for full travel. (you can find these readings through displaying raw data in windows controller calibration).

My twist is the issue. It doesn't start counting for a full 6mm of rotation, or 12.5mm measured between the seams at the top. And when it does move, the lowest reading I can get is 111/144, so I'm missing the first 16 counts of travel.

I assume the L and I/II readings are correct, but maybe my USB adapter is filtering out the first 16 counts of left and right travel? But then why wouldn't up and down be affected the same way?

And if you have a proper deadzone for twist, can you tell me what adapter you have? I've been through a few so far, one wouldn't read anything analog, the one I'm using now seems to have this deadzone issue, and the older one I bought to replace it doesn't work with 64 bit windows.

what's the best way to play sega rally 2? supermodel runs it at an unlocked framerate despite turning vsync and throttle on, and sometimes it doesn't boot up at all and there's just a black screen (seemingly at random). should i give up and try the pc version or should i find some way to make the emulator work?

Why does the PS1 version of Porsche Unleashed feel so inferior to PC version? The handling is way worse and the career mode is way less deep and detailed with fewer tuning options

>>8255859
it actually pretty good graphically for a ps1 game but the handling oddly feels like an arcade rally game but on tarmac, probably has to do something with it being made by eden games(im not saying they are bad devs though.) as they probably just reused their v rally engine for this

>>8255840
Mine pretty much never goes under 60 fps, maybe ur computer sucks

>>8255954
i dont think i explained myself well. i have the opposite problem, it runs at 144 fps, so the game goes at more than double its supposed speed

>>8255859
Are you this retarded to not realize that it's a completely different game with NFSPU name slapped on it?

>>8255971

Oh I see, I think the solution is to change the powerpcfrequency to 100. Most Model 3 games run at the frequency of 50, but sega rally 2 needs to be higher for some reason.

in the supermodel config, under the global section, add this:

PowerPCFrequency = 100

exactly like that. for me it runs fine at 70, so if 100 doesn't work I would try that as well, let me know if that fixes it

What's some really good abandonware racing games?

Also, I wanna see if I can get Ridge Racer (the arcade version) working on MAME too. That game has always caught my attention.

>>8255981
Obligatory Re-Volt (you)
Grand Prix 1 and 2

>>8256041
Thanks man. I've been on an abandonware binge since I've been trying to get Outrun Coast 2 Coast (and FXT to work but sometimes I feel as if FXT doesn't work *at all*)

>>8255981
an of the classic nfs games, midtown madness 1 and 2, sports car gt, rally trophy, cmr2.0, juiced, viper racing, midnight club 2(its abandonware AGAIN), crazy frog racer and whatever the other anon said(re-volt is indeed very good)

I find it hard to play racing games if i cant shoot or booby trap cars. My favorite is Jak X: Combat Racing and I also liked Hot Wheels velocity x: Maximum Justice as a kid but i havnt played it in a long time. I have never seen either one discussed here but the Jak racing game was pretty solid.

I enjoy racing games, but I prefer them to let me be aggressive in how I race. Any games similar to Burnout where when you contact another vehicle it acts appropriately, and does not just bump weakly? Also, is Driver considered a racing game?

Webm is Top Gear Rally for the GBA that another Anon made. It's a fun game that I recommend.

>>8256514
Jak X really is pretty solid. I remember it being decently hard too, I should really replay it.

>>8255895
Well that explains everything

>>8255975
It's made by different people but still has largely the same tracks and cars
The older PS1 games were also made by different teams but were closer in quality to PC versions

>>8256770
NFS3 and High Stakes are much better on PS1. PC versions are poor imitations.

>>8257057
Nah those games are still pretty good on PC, especially High Stakes which has more detailed damage system and better handling

>>8255859
Because PSX is a 33mzh system with 2mb of ram from the early 90s and the PC version of Unleashed requires a Pentium 300mzh cpu and 64mb of ram.

I just completed all NFS games on handhelds.
The GBA ones were pretty decent apart from the obscure Porsche Unleashed version, pretty consistent in terms of quality and decent handling but you can barely see the road and 3D graphics don't look that good on GBA, my favorite is either Most Wanted or Carbon OTC.
The DS games are also solid apart from Most Wanted which is terrible and Undercover which is kinda mediocre, Underground 2 is ok but has weird handling, Carbon and ProStreet are the best by far but Nitro is also fun.
PSP games are a mixed bag, Underground Rivals and Carbon Own the City are great spin offs with Carbon having a different sotry but the rest is really boring, especially Most Wanted and ProStreet. The Shift version is also really werid since it uses a Burnout engine.

>>8257141
I hooked my GBA up to the best speakers I own just so I could blast the Underground version of Get Low.

>>8255980
almost 10 hours late, but I tried redownloading the emulator from scratch and applying throttle without modifying the clock speed and it works now. guess something fucked up the config somehow. thanks for your help anyway, appreciate it

>>8254581
Most wanted especially? When Underground 2's URL races are the worst part of the game?

>>8255810
Not that. Look at the tires of the car. I wonder what's propping up the left side since the left side tires don't seem to exist.
Yeah, I know it's actually just a tiling error, but this is on REV03.

Semi-related, but I found the RAM address that has the player's engine RPM in Senna's Super Monaco GP II. Functionally, it serves the exact same purpose as it did in the original, but the values it is working with have been all multiplied by 10. This means that 12158 in RAM translates directly to 12158 RPM in-game. It might also explain why decelerating is so much stronger and why actually braking pretty much stops you on a dime, in screwed up math.

So, now the important question. Who had the better open-wheel racing game? Ayrton Senna, or Nigel Mansell?

>>8255808
Carbon was rushed as shit. Maybe not as rushed as Undercover but the amount of cut content is kinda big even by mid 00s standards. It's one of those big "what ifs" in the racing genre history imo.

>>8257280
now this is cancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=off0r8XREV8

>>8257529
What did they cut?

>>8257141
>The Shift version is also really werid since it uses a Burnout engine.
Holy shit, that's why the game feels like Burnout Legends.

>>8257636
I still like it. Sounds good on original hardware.

>>8257280
>>8257636
Fucking amazing. I went through these games pretty recently too. I wonder how much fps was set on fire to play these during races since the 3D and sound are CPU.

>>8258083
It was made by the same people who did Burnout Dominator

>>8257383

cheers

>>8256560
Mother fucking full 3d racing on the GBA? Is this hb or was it an official release?

>>8259220
>Webm is Top Gear Rally for the GBA that another Anon made

nvm, that shit is impressive.

>>8259220
>>8259225
The track is apparently using the GBA's hardware image transform, so it looks 3D and scrolls smooth. The car is the only polygonal 3D, even if for all intents and purposes the rest of it also is 3D. Gorgeous GBA game. There are some fully 3D racers but none run as well.

>>8259220
There are several 3D racing games on GBA

>>8257641
To say the least a LOT
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV76Yh7_4TDPCMruako6YhAPwwjjy4cXO

>>8259861
Damn

>>8256560
Glad others are enjoying this odd gem of a game. TGR's lategame used to wall me but once I got the drifting mechanics I started finding the hard turns a joy.

I'm currently trying to find the worst vehicles that can clear the highest levels of the game. Great Heights+ is the last series of races. Took a while because 3/5 top speed cars sometimes can't win races with too many straightaways and gentle turns unless you boost off ramming the random AI for the forward kick you get. The Vivant RS GT isn't even good when you get it.

>>8261310
The margin for error loosens on twisty tracks. AI don't behave perfectly normal but they don't rubberband and they do slow down for turns, which means you make gains if you take the turns fast and sideways instead.

>>8261317
And the final race of the game, a gravel-tracked cliffside (sorry the quality hurts the look of the road surface). Not perfect but I rammed enough AI to not need perfect. Fucking love Top Gear Rally.

>>8261310
A worse shitbucket has made the cut: AR Sprintz (non-GT, ie the one you unlock directly after the starter cars). Nothing below this has the speed to win no matter how much eurobeat is playing. I'll show the rest if someone's interested but otherwise I don't want to flood with webms; this was the hardest endgame race for low-speed cars anyway.

>>8261310
Hey, TGRfag. Have you played Rally de Africa? What's your opinion on it?

Rage Racer is the mascot of this thread so if you want to give it a try, here are some quick tips:

1. Different cars manufacturers suit different tracks. Mythical Coast has medium elevations and medium turns, Gnade Esperanza is good there. Over Pass city has steep elevations, so it's better to use Lizard cars which have high torque. Lakeside Gate has steep corners - Age cars are the best at cornering. Extreme Oval (actually tri-oval) has neither, so Assoluto cars with their top speed are the best.

2. It is entirely possible to complete the game using cars less suitable for the tracks, but it's harder to do so. Except Extreme Oval and Assoluto. You won't beat rival Assoluto car on Extreme Oval without using Assoluto and you will really struggle with an Assoluto car on other tracks due to its poor cornering and mediocre torque.

3. Mastering manual transmission is a must if you want to be faster on ascents/descents and exiting drifts. MT is essential here, unlike other Ridge Racer games.

4. Never use third person camera unless you wish to hate the game. Use rear view mirror to your advantage - block rival cars if they try to overtake you. You will gain a little speed boost if they bump into your car from behind.

5. The real Rage Racer starts with Diable GP. You haven't experienced the game until you beat at least one race there.

6. Deep Drive is the best piece of music in a racing videogame.

7. Forget all these and play Rave Racer instead.

>>8259730
List?

>>8262402
5 Need for Speed games
Stuntman
Smashing Drive
Crazy Taxi
TXR Advance
Street Racing Syndicate
V-Rally 3
Stuntman
Smuggler's Run
Sega rally Championship
Driver 2 and 3
More games here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fgH08z6xs

>>8262446
Thank you, good anon

What's your shift pattern lads? 4-2-4 or 4-1-3-4?

MX5 is quicker than the MRS but more difficult to drive. There's time to find in sectors 2 and 3, especially the wiggly bit and the five consecutive hairpin turns.

I fucking love playing toca 2 on pc, so happy someone made a patch that lets you run it in absurd resolutions.

>>8257636
lol this is incredible, somehow predicted that weird fucking blown-out shit that i'm always exposed to any time someone forces me to see a tiktok

>>8262475
love seeing your webms, battle gear/tokyo road race anon

>>8262381
Quit it with the pasta, ausfag.

>>8262373
A Sega Rally rip off, with more (but less memorable) content. Rally de Europa has even more content, and is a more polished game.
Global score? Mediocre (RdA) and "ok" (RdE)... But if you like Sega Rally and had exhausted it, both games are quite enjoyable.

>>8263163
That's a good pasta though. Rage Racer is kino.

>>8263295
If I remember right you can unlock the Africa tracks in Europe which is cool. I still play Africa sometimes though because its soundtrack is nice. I think both games are really underrated actually.

Gotta say the speed challenges in prostreet are significantly easier when one isn't locked to 30fps.

>>8262475
damn noice to see someone still playing this, when my upscaler gets here anon i'll join you. Battle gear is fuggin awesome

Are the PS1 Ridge Racer games worth purchasing in these modern times? I've been feeling a need to do some racing, and was thinking about picking up the PS2 NFS games, and the PS1 RR games, since I have more or less zero experience with any and all of those titles.

>>8264167
Yeah they're all worth it. Ridge Racer Turbo is especially awesome, IMO.

>>8254568
I've finished all the Challenge Sheets for each region.

I had a lot of trouble doing the Burning Wheel challenge on Angel Valley for some reason. Also getting a Vertical Takedown on Eastern Bay (although Vertical Takedowns are difficult to set up anyway).

>>8264179
Thanks Anon.

>>8262373
>>8263295
TGRfag here, never played it but I'm going to pick it up immediately after I get back from travel this weekend, because Sega Rally is good and anything aping it is worth checking out IMO. Funnily enough I've never played N64 Top Gear Rally as well - that any good?

Is Sega GT 2002 for the original Xbox any good? Ended up getting the Jet Set Radio Future/Sega GT 2002 set years ago, but never tried 2002.

>>8264167
I played R4 for the first time in 2016 and I consider it one of my favorite games. I'd also recommend Rage Racer

Remember this gem?

>>8265224
A burnout ripoff? I did not know about this, how is it?

>>8265269
All I remember is it had this one game mode where it was like a demolition derby where you played a game of "tag" with other cars with a bomb and whoever had possession of the bomb when time ran out exploded.

fun kinda hidden gem

>play any racing game, old or new
>see all these ancient shitboxes
>most of them have been destroyed as prop cars for hollywood movies or by white women driving SUVs they can barely see out of trying to replicate said movies
>the last running ones are all seemingly in the hands of spics, in varying states of disrepair, making all sorts of noises that their dunka dunka music barely drowns out

>>8265359
Most people don't really care about cars or have the funds to keep shitboxes in top shape. They see them as little more than commuting machines.

How's R Racing Evolution? Worth playing for anything else than cute girls and tits?

>>8265375
Fun story and presentation heavily inspired by Ace Combat with surprisingly ambitious female leads the gameplay is bland sadly.

>>8265375
Namco seems to have the best girls.

>>8265384
Yes.

>>8265379
I love AC, so that's enough for me to at least give it a shot.

>>8265130
>Sega Rally is good and anything aping it is worth checking out IMO
In that case you should also check Dirt Dash if you haven't already. It's playable on MAME.

>>8265375
I cleared it about 5 years ago. Its an interesting concept, the music is also good as always, but it's the classic play and forget type of game.

>>8265375
all im going to say is that it is probably the best racing game on a nintendo system, take that how you want to take that

>>8262930
There's a lso a good port for the PSP

>>8265224
It does actually look decent.

>>8265358
This game is weird. The mechanics are kind of hard to wrap your head around.

I really wish there was an arcade racing game for people who liked...racing.

As it is the realm of racing games is divided into "casual, silly fun" and "hardcore racing". The arcade-y games rarely give you a good race, just let you drive crazy and crash into stuff for a big spectacle while people wanting a solid race experience have to turn to sim games where you need good real-world driving technique (like proper apex cutting and weight transfer).

What I want is a game that doesn't try to be realistic but also gives you opponents who will fight you to the finish and require you to be smart about how you race. Still easy to get into and learn but doesn't pull any punches in terms of racing quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIRLTwBlyQ

I find it annoying when a racing game camera stays glued to the back bumper instead of staying at a fixed angle and the car rotates in the frame as it turns. Gives me mild motion sickness.

>>8266183
You would probably enjoy Project Gotham Racing

>>8266191
Yeah, that has actually proven to be pretty challenging yet doesn't adhere to strict real-world physics at the same time.

Although I wouldn't quite say it's pick up and play either. You still have to practice it a bit.

>>8266190
>those photos representing the other racers
I thought it was some fucking e-celeb at first

>>8266183
Try Ridge Racer V

>>8266203
The arcade unit is equipped with a camera.

It's an oddly common feature in modern arcade racers.

>>8266302
I'd forgotten about that feature to be honest with you, I've not been in an arcade for a very long time. Well, one with a racing game machine in it anyway.

Just got this at a yard sale for a buck. How good is it compared to the others?

>>8266310
Aaand I forgot the image

>>8266310
More content than 3. Less soul than 3.

>>8266183
>while people wanting a solid race experience have to turn to sim games
Stay in your containment subgenre.

>>8265130
Also check Screamer 2 for PC if you can

>>8266183
play the psygnosis f1 games or toca2

>>8265358
Did it really have a development time of only 8 months?

>>8256560
>>8261310
>>8261317
>>8261321
>>8261753
>car either animating smoothly or not at all while track moves around it
>walls move like a water surface
What is happening in this fucking game?

Any tips on getting gud at R4? I really want to get through all the story stuff, but even in the first map, I can't make the turns neat all the time. Is there a certain timing for the two styles?
Also, is it still possible playing on automatic?

This game gets hard once you unlock the fast exotics

>>8267737
have a few pics from years ago

>>8267737
>>8267739
>widescreen
EEEAAAAAUGH

Give me ONE (1) reason to play a racing game other than OutRun 2006 on my og Xbox. 6th gen only.

>>8267873
6th gen didn't have much in the way of good racers. Most were pretty boring.

>>8267873
outrun 2 has other tracks

>>8254141
Whats a good racing game for me to get into that isn't too arcadey but neither ultra mega realism?
Pastebin links still doesn't work for me.

>>8254141
>2004
>retro
Unironically fuck off.

>>8262381
oh wow, wasting my time is so quirky and interesting

>>8267931
DAYTONAAAAAAAAAA

>>8267979
Anon i can't simply buy an comically large arcade setup for my tiny apartment, im talkin' PC games

>>8267942
You are a FUCKING TARD who needs to EAT A FUCKING URINAL CAKE. Shut the HELL up you assface FAGGOT.

>>8267971
GTFO the thread, retard

>>8267607
R4 is a very simple game. MT is not needed at all. The game is mostly about memorization. Just practice the tracks and find that ideal line on each. Each track has only around a couple turns that require drifting. Most turns can be passed normally if you approach them from the right angle. Basic approaching technique applies (pic related).

>>8267931
Gran Turismo 1

>>8268431
I still remember that the specific time I learned this was from the Super Mario Kart manual of all things as a really young kid.

>>8267606
If you don't think this looks nice for a GBA game, you're on a wrong board

SOUL

>>8268431
Yeah, it is simple. That's why for me, MT just makes it more fun. You have to do something else in addition to turning the wheel.

>>8268431
Will do, thank you!

>>8268492
Exactly

What went wrong with PC version? Where is the SOUL?

>>8268518
What the fuck happened? Looks like the whole art direction went down the sink in the bottom one.

>>8268023
Bro, you can emulate it

>>8268492
One of the reasons why R4 feels a bit boring compared to RR. Give me that MT management during drifts and ascents.

>>8268525
PC version of High Stakes is weird. They didn't actually port HS from PS1 directly but modified existing PC port of NFS3 by adding HS tracks and cars, while leaving simple NFS3 handling model intact.

I love Need for Speed High Stakes.

>>8262381
Is it possible to complete Rage Racer without using pic related? D-pad tapping is twitchy with Age cars.

>>8262381
you're getting no respect for this based info dump man, i'll keep that in mind if i ever get around to playing the old RRs

>>8268731
Not that anon but I almost got filtered by rage racer because coming from R4 I didn't expect that I would be required to downshift to not stall in an arcade racer. I am gitting gud and loving it now but still some of the races felt a bit too sweaty and ass clenching for the genre.

>Wide roads
>Shortcuts
>Tracks built around cool looking setpieces
>Simple brake drifting
>High pov high inertia chase view cam
Did they try to rip off Scud Race with this one?

>>8267931
R: Racing Evolution

>>8268889
Didn't NFS3 come out before SCUD Race?

>>8265224
I tried this last night. How the fuck does Kamikaze Race work? You and half the grid start going in one direction and the other half goes the other way.

>>8269221
Nope, NFS3 - 1998, Scud Race - 1996.

>>8269227
Demolition Racer and Test Drive Eve of Destruction did something similar IIRC

>>8268889
No - it is merely a case of great minds think alike.

>>8267742
Does midnight club 3 support widescreen? I know it's on PSP

>>8268518
I think it's pretty good, the driving is a bit floaty but there's less input delay, you also got more detailed damage model and the cash is definitely handled better so you don't have to grind.
It definitely looks sharper but roads are more narrow.

>>8268562
Isn't High Stakes a modified version of HP on PS1 as well? They have the same UI

>>8269909
There is a widescreen patch for it.

>>8269924
PS1 High Stakes has a new simcade-ish driving physics model, a prototype of what is eventually used for PC version of NFS Porsche Unleashed (ironically, PS1 version of PU is a completely different game altogether, with none of a prequels DNA within it).

PC High Stakes just reuses a more simple NFS3 driving model with a couple of tweaks.

>>8266190
Same. It ruined GT4 for me.

How do you feel about people who say that Gran Turismo isn't a racing game, but a driving game? As a kid, I always soured on it since people would ignore everything else and led to everything being all realism centric nowadays. Never actually picked it up for myself, though. Is it good, or would it disappoint someone who wants the more arcade racing experience?
Also, why is it that retro racing games are so interesting compared to Forza and all that? Couldn't put it into words

currently playing rr64, i think its fun so far
>>8270289
i like car i like bideo game i like bideo game with car. =D

>>8270289
GT is a car collecting game.

>>8270289
You race in it, there's a lot of racing and it's about that. Nobody has to categorize racing games with too many they don't like as "not a racing game", they could have just said it's a sucky racing game. It's not for everyone.

>>8270601
Fair enough. How would you say the first one compares to others in the PS1 era?

Probably won't get the answer I'm looking for but I am hoping to get some input from anyone who went through this issue. Bought a copy of Initial D Special Stage for my modded PS2 Slim, but reading that alone you can already guess what my problem is, unfortunately I didn't until I booted up the game. It kept constantly crashing 5 seconds into loading up one of the game modes and I thought I got sold a busted game. To my dismay I only just realized this is one of the various games not compatible with the slim models, or at least specifically my model, the 75000 series. I didn't spend much on it but I'm still bummed, aside from just emulating is there a way to make this game compatible with my Slim model through some other methods or am I just cucked out of a good game because I got the PS2 slim?

>>8270307
RR64 is not a good game, basically discount knockoff RR. PS1 RR Revolution, Rage Racer and RRT4 are much preferrable.

>>8270610
GT1 is a JDM style game about Japanese tuner scene (the same one Initial D and Wangan Midnight mangas are about), similar to many others on PS1, like Option series, Cave's Touge Max series, Shutokou Battle series (pre Tokyo Xtreme Battle), Side by Side (pre Battle Gear), and many others even more obscure. Due to it becoming huge in the West, the series went to a different direction.

>>8271310
RR64 ain't so bad, it's just a bit ugly in the face. Nice curves, though.

>>8271310
How different? Not that anon but, all I ever heard about GT2 is that you can't get 100% in it, how different did it and 3 get?

>>8271320
GT2 and 3 added many western cars and made drifting harder and less viable. In GT1 you could kansei dorifto deliver tofu through the game with ease. GT1 is a very arcade-like game actually.

>>8271462
Definitely trying out 1 then, thanks anon. Guessing it doesn't live up to the hype of "best PS1 driving game" but is still a damn good one.

>>8271320
Also one more thing I forgot to mention, GT1 tracks are all based around four Japanese tuner scene themes - hakone, touge, wangan and pro race track. Even though there are no point-to-point tracks for pure touge experience, the japanese origin is unmistakable. For GT2, many of the GT1 tracks were canonically moved to Germany, Great Britain etc.

>>8271462
In GT3 you can get completely sideways on Tahiti Maze and shit, the angles are actually disgusting I get a boner everytime

>>8271483
Can you describe which GT original circuit is what theme

>>8259861
this, gta development content and juiced's acclaim version were the shit that introduced me to cut content autism, ah good times
speaking of juiced 1, thoughts on it? personally i like it

>>8265331
Like Crashday?
>>8265359
Japs and boomer Euros keep their old cars in pretty good shape.
>>8267737
Yeah, and sadly the only way to play it with a stable framerate is to use an emulator, and PCSX2 has pretty heavy lag.
>>8271628
It's okay. I find it nigh unplayable at the later stages, driving the high-powered cars is extremely annoying IMO.

>>8265359
Isn't it more dangerous to use one of those things, because of the metric fuckton of safety revisions since then and now?
Then again, I can't say shit. Ever since a taxi accident, the only driving I do is ingame.

>>8262471

4 2 4

Can somebody help me to identify the best racing wheel for original Xbox? Trying to search for anything xbox-related for the original system is a fucking nightmare thanks to microsoft's awful naming conventions, and beyond that I struggle to find results detailing the different racing wheels which were made, likewise for the quality of said wheels. Save me from dumpster diving in 20 year old IGN reviews or the like

>>8272376
In terms of car appreciation, safety is probably the least important quality. It's all about the looks and the driving function.