/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8241434
>Extremely original games, extremely low sales (after MDK). Why did gamers not appreciate their innovative games
Messiah didn't deliver on the hype, Wild 9 sank like a rock and I couldn't even find a copy of Giants anywhere when it came out. It was these 3 flops.

>>8241434
Ummm excese me but this is a worksafe environment

>>8241434
I remember buying Giants for the booba and then uninstalling because you can't fucking save in game.

>>8241504
And then this rushed buggy thing sold extremely well.

>>8241552
>because you can't fucking save in game
? yeah you can

>>8241434
Enter the matrix sucked

I remember how much they hyped it up and then the game released in a sorry ass incomplete state.

One example was they recorded multiple voice takes so that each playthrough would be slightly different.

I know its standard procedure by now to promise the world during development only for the project managers to fck things up forcing the slaves to scrap and restart, crunch and rush, but this game was literally my first experience of that.

Yes still buttmad, fck shiny and that lying prick. Good salesman though, Ill give him that

>>8241619
How and where? There is no save button

>>8241434
>+Armed and Dangerous
>(not rertro)

>released in 2003 for xbox
>not retro
are you stupid?

>Shitty Games

>>8241619
Why do you post a question mark at the beginning of the sentence? Are you a retard?

>>8241434
Am I the only one who saw the reviews for this game in gaming magazines as a kid and got both scared by the bad monster and felt a feeling like never before from looking at blue lady?

I bought the game on GOG just because of said childhood memories. Couldn't get past the shitty squad shooter levels so I ended up using a cheat code to unlock all the levels and then, when I finally saw Delphi's tits, uncensored, I got quickly bored lost all interest and uninstalled

>>8242046
sad

>>8241623
>Good salesman though
Heh.
In some vidya magazine of the time, i remember a line saying: "It is a common misconception that Dave Perry is good at making games. At making money - perhaps, but not the games". I think it was Sacrifice review.

>>8241434
>Why did gamers not appreciate their innovative games?
Different and good isn't mutually exclusive. No one deserves success because they made some unique.
>>8241596
Matrix sold because it was fun as fuck and based off a loved movie.

>>8242153
>"It is a common misconception that Dave Perry is good at making games. At making money - perhaps, but not the games". I think it was Sacrifice review.
But Sacrifice is the best fucking Shiny game ever made.

>>8242338
Too bad no one plays it except maybe a few people who watched the Mandalorian Gamer review.

>>8241434
Why did they do this?

>>8243615
Pure fanservice. God the ending sucked.

>>8241923
Because the question mark expresses initial feelings of confusion, and the rebuttal follows. If the question mark was at the end, he would be asking for conformation. Haven't you ever seen someone write a question mark or multiple question marks in response to a confusing or bizarre statement?

>>8243664
>Haven't you ever seen someone write a question mark or multiple question marks in response to a confusing or bizarre statement?
I did. Only children or literal imbeciles do that.

>>8241505

>>8242243
>Because they made some unique
They should. Modern gaming is a joke.

>>8243424
I've tried it two or three times and can't get into it. Feels too clunky to be a real strategy game, and not responsive enough to be a n action game.

Different factions seem to have basically the same units with different skins.

Its got style bit other than that, I don't get it.

What am I missing?

Who's the best Sacrifice god and why?

>>8243715
>Different factions seem to have basically the same units with different skins.

That's basically true but only visually. Like they use the same model with bump mapping to make them different.

>>8243826
Then genuine question, what's the meaningful difference between a fire low level spinny thing and a grass low level spinny thing? Not trolling, just trying to see what I was missing out on

>>8243826
>Who's the best Sacrifice god and why?

I played through Sacrifice fully twice and each time I went for a majority combo of Stratos/Charnel, with maybe 1-2 Persephone in between. Stratos and Charnel have my favorite units and favorite voice lines. My least favorite is either James or Pyro. James has good units but I don't like his personality, and Pyro has very boring and straightforward "I deal dmg" spells and units, his units only get interesting in the last two tiers, and he can only work together with Charnel and only for a little while, so you're forced to have mostly all Pyro units.

>>8243862
>Then genuine question, what's the meaningful difference between a fire low level spinny thing and a grass low level spinny thing? Not trolling, just trying to see what I was missing out on
I assume you mean the lowest tier melee units. I had to look up the "fire spinny" because Pyro units tend to have boring abilities, but its special ability is that when it dies it explodes and deal damage to nearby units. Not the best unit in this tier, that's for sure. There is no "grass spinny" - the spinning model is only reused for Charnel's T1 melee unit, which regains life with every attack. The grass T1 melee is a Druid who has a mana activated ability to shield himself - this is shared with most T1 Persephone units (she has the most boring units after Pyro). The biggest difference is James's T1 melee unit which is literally immune to all spell damage (straight up can't be beaten by a wizard except for maybe instakill spells) and Stratos's T1 melee unit which gets a superspeed active ability. And beyond the special abilities, every single unit, across every tier, has different individual stats.

See
https://sacrifice-shiny.fandom.com/wiki/Level_1_Creatures

And also, after level 2, they get different types of units at different levels (i.e. on L2 everyone gets the "Scarab"-type, but L3 is "Brawler"/"Sniper"/"Bomber").

This is a 10/10 in bongland.

Giants is a cool game, I really love them 3d action adventure games

>>8241434

Sacrifice was underappreciated because gamers are morons. I don't know about the other 3D ones.

>>8243958
Thank u kind autist, has been a few years since I last tried it, what's the correct way to play it? I found it impossible to manage units scattered across the map, and having my wizard stomp around with a massive gang of heavies led to all my shit getting captured while I was elsewhere

>>8244041
>what's the correct way to play it? I found it impossible to manage units scattered across the map
I went through the game successfully with just using a deathball of units around my wizard, systematically taking out the enemy defenses one at a time. I never bothered managing units across the map, I just made sure to always get strong defenders at choke points and at places I don't wanna keep returning to (the leash thing that attaches a unit to the tower to boost its defenses, kinda like a tower). Just make sure you get a good Artillery/Sniper unit by level 5 or so, because otherwise you won't be able to keep up, the level 1 ranged units don't cut it - and you can't really use melee units/brawlers for the leash because they could get taken out even by level 1 fliers, due to the lack of reach.

Admittedly, like I said, I always played with Stratos/Charnel, so I had highly mobile units from Stratos and heavy hitters from Charnel, and healing from the L2 Persephone Scarabs, so I had pretty much everything covered from my unit composition.

>>8244041
Don't try to manage different moving groups. You have troops guarding manaliths and altars and a death squad with your wizard. Easiest way is to stay near the manalith currently targeted by the enemy and just turtle using the leash bonus and grab attacker souls until you have enough people for an attack squad, grab an enemy manalith and bind some of the death squad to it, rinse and repeat. This is a bit defensive an slow but works well even against Marduk (who doesn't need to convert souls before grabbing them).

>>8243826
Charnel ofc

>>8243958
>but I don't like his personality
because he's the fucking traitor?

which god has the best FUCK YOU unstoppable juggernaut units with fuckton of HP?

>>8243696
eat shit

Just talked to David Perry about this: https://art19.com/shows/the-madecast/episodes/8029858d-c4cb-46fc-b078-455a26f88948

>>8244251
James's Titan unit, the Rhinok, is the toughest, but also the slowest. Persephone's Dragon apparently deals the highest damage per hit, and the second highest HP. The potentially strongest is Charnel's Hellmouth, which can get stronger by eating blue souls. If they eat 5 souls (effectively doubling their cost) they can take out ~20 souls' worth of L7 creatures on their own and survive.

>>8241434
because they were high concept, low execution. They were all rough to play except for MDK. MDK fucking owns.

I coomed to this blue chick

>>8241434
Why was the MDK ending so weird? Some hipster trash music video

>>8241434
Messiah was an Abe's Oddysee

Does Sacrifice worth to play or it's just an overrated old junk?

>>8245150
very much worth it

>>8245150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0NtZxqtio

>>8241434
Their games were really not that special after you got past the nice aesthetics (which were kind of too weird and artsy for normies in the first place), and I know I'll get shit for this, but Shiny's stuff is textbook style over substance

>>8241434
Earthworm was cool but it quickly became apparent that Perry was a grifter like Molymeme

>>8245126
filtered

>>8241434
>Shiny was often mistaken for a pornography production company
the fact that david perry shares the same name with some porn actor didn't help i guess

>>8244041

Just practice until you're decent at it. The game has a weird difficulty level: It's super hard when you're new to it and don't understand it, because it's so strange and unusual I guess, but its AI is pathetically bad to the point of being seriously bugged in the player's favor, so that once you do understand the game you can crush all opposition with ease (except human opponents in multiplayer mode of course).

It's a game that initially seems much more difficult than it is. Keep most of your stuff in formations around you and try lots of different units and spells until you find something that works. Restart and choose different gods if that helps. You can figure it out.

>>8241434
Too weird for mainstream appeal. One could argue they were doomed from the start.

>>8244041
>Turtle-rush-turtle-rush
You'll have to forgive me if my strategy doesn't work 100%. Beat the game a decade ago, so my memories are a bit hazy. That said, I was a dumb teen at the time, so >GIT GUD FAGIT

>>8245126
That game is an acid trip in video game form. Expecting it to make sense is pointless.

>>8245359
I think the most important bit is to snag every soul ASAP and turn it into a useful unit IMMEDIATELY. Ideally right next on of your own shrine. Efficiency is key in Sacrifice and it really rewards those who don't waste any time or resources.

>>8245127
Abe's Oddysee was fun though, unlike Messiah

I loved Giants when I was a kid. I played it all the time when I was supposed to be working on my homeschool shit.

I wanna sex her so badly, how does she not get raped when wearing basically nothing?

>>8246887
Insallah

What is MDK?

>>8247372
Mekanïk Destruktïẁ Kommandöh

>>8247372
murder death kill

>>8247447
H-hidoi!

>>8247372
My DicK

>>8247395
Based. I'm pretty sure they named the game after the album and only gave evasive answers about the acronym because of copyright stuff.

>>8241596
It was fun when it wasn't glitching out.

>>8243976
Are you implying she's not a 10 elsewhere?

>>8241434
Played the shit out of Giants: Citizen Kabuto with my 64mb Radeon card twenty years ago

>>8247372
Monkey Dookie Kack

>>8241552
The game autosaves at the start of every level and in every checkpoint.

Isn't that enough you fucking casual?

What exactly do the wizards chant in Sacrifice? Are they based on anything?

>>8243958
>I deal damage
What else do you need? Those machinegunners just wreck when you can avoid getting them killed.
>Teleport to range of enemy wizard
>Focus fire
>Target all manahoars
>Harvest all the souls you like

>>8247372
Max, Doc, Kurt.

>>8241434
Only tangentially Shiny, but man, I can't stop returning to this game. Pure SOVL.

Change one letter and they become Shitty Games

>>8247372
Migration De Kiwi

How did they make a game like MDK without using the GPU at all?

>>8250805
By having a powerful superscalar CPU equipped? That was pretty much the standard until 3dfx really took off.

>>8249641
>What exactly do the wizards chant in Sacrifice? Are they based on anything?

I think it's just random words from the game's list of standard spell-words. At least some of the words are references with no deep meaning. For example, all three of these words seem to be included in the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaatu_barada_nikto
"Vermithrax" and "pejorative", also in the list, appear to come from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonslayer_(1981_film)
I think "carpe diem" is in there (as two separate words) and probably various other things.

>>8251575
How did they not get sued?

>>8247372
mother’s day kisses

>>8244251
vermithrax, pejorative, nicto, kensetsu...

>>8241434
Booba!?

>>8252737
I thought it was mother's darling knees...

All the faggots hating on Messiah in this thread can eat a dick, no homo.

>>8247372
Mouk Douk Kem

>>8247372
In Japan, the canon confirmed meaning is "My Dear Knight".

What’s the best way to play MDK in the Year of Our Lord 2000+21?

>>8253329
Not to play at all

Play a good shooter like Fortnite instead

>>8253216
All Messiah had to do was not have you play as a fucking cupid.

>In the near-end of the game, the main character makes a sound (referred to as "oof"), which has been taken by the popular game Roblox as a sound effect for when a character dies.[23] There was a subsequent legal dispute[24] over the use of the "oof" sound, which led to a compensation agreement.

Well that was unexpected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INSnrRwLX8g

>>8241434
>includes planet moon studios games
>doesn't include Doug Tennapel in Exile's games
The Neverhood and Skullmonkeys are legitimately great.

>>8253943
Doug is a crazie

>>8241434
Shiny literally invented the concept of Level of Detail. The idea that you could swap in 3d models with higher polygon counts based on the power of the hardware running the game. They were going to patent it, but decided against it when others in the industry complained.

>>8255279
Proofs?

>>8255279
Level of detail in games is 80s tech (outside of games its from 1976), most atari/amiga flat shaded 3d games like microrpose flight sims had it for example.

What Shiny made was much more specific, continuous lod (ie instead of swapping a fixed number of models you could say gimme that model with exactly X triangles) for skinned characters, and one that'd automatically prepare runtime models from full cg characters. They weren't the inventors of it either, just one of the earliest implementations in a game.

>>8241505
Uhmmm sweatie video games are made at work

>>8247372
Mambo de Komodo

>>8255368
He has nothing, literally debunked on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_detail_(computer_graphics)

>>8253943
Isn't he banned from the industry because he supported bad orange man?

>>8241434
I used to think it was this Dave Perry and he was just moonlighting as a games developer while his main job was being a prick on Gamesmaster.

Even if I like 1 more than 2,I love both MDK games.
The aesthetic,the soundtrack and Kurt's design is iconic.

Easily recognizable and head sniper rifle turning into a chaingun was the coolest fucking thing

>>8259052
No,he was banned because the guy was extremely difficult to work with.

He was a weirdo but recently he's gone insane

>>8253329
If you have the GOG version.
Go the game folder and go to the 3DFX version.
Mess with nglide if you want.

>Playing MDK when I was a kid
>was attracted to Kurt
>Didn't bother to read the manual or the text
>Find out is a guy

>>8253910
Or at least making the cupid look cool.
Something hi-tech,anything else but a generic baby with wings

>>8253216
Messiah's soundtrack and Aesthetic were top notch,if the game was more polished I would've liked it a lot more.

>>8259690
Haha yuo are gay

>>8247372
Mission Deliver Kindness