/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8223175
Your favorite.

MM2 and MM9.

>>8223175
>which one was the best?
Not retro

>>8223227
MM9 and MM10 are quite literally retro in the truest sense of the world, unless you're talking about MM11 which I doubt.

I am one of the few people whose favorite is 10

MM Legends

God Tier
8, 4, 5, Mega Man and Bass

Good Tier
5, 6, 3

Okay Tier
7

Won't Play It Tier
1, 2, Soccer, fighting game

The other games are NOTRETRO so I shan't be discussing them. I think 2 is a really good game for its time (set a standard) but there's not enough going on with it to hold my interest. Whereas 8 can be played a bit differently every time thanks to your upgrade choices, making it kind of like the MMX games with some hidden stuff throughout the stages. And unlike MMX, you can still find non-cheating upgrades in the last stages. 7 is like this too, but there's something about it that turns me off, and I don't think the music is up to par. I might give it another try some day.

If we wanted to compromise and say what game is the best NES Mega Man, I'd go with 4.

I think sliding and charging add interesting dynamics to Mega Man, which is just jumping and shooting otherwise. Now, you can make a pretty interesting MM game if the weapons add new dimensions to the gameplay, but usually they don't, especially with MM1 and 2.

If I could change anything about the series in general, it would be eliminating the more boring weapons. Every weapon should have some interesting property, but some of them are "shoot a snake that goes along the ground" or "it's mini tornadoes that fly upward" or "it's a barrier that does fuckall damage when you get close to an enemy" or "it explodes".

>>8223230
ZX

Mega Man games always were shit and I'll show why
>Dishonest Gaming
>Post-Tezuka inversions
>Grating indefinite amateurish sprite-work
>Gatcha Game Iconography
>Proto-Slysoy Disenfranchisement peddled as NEET/ entertainment/Herbivore Powerplay
>Neo netouyo hangups: scene schizophrenia and meme dialogue
>Meta-Structure syndrome (refusing to build narrative structure is just as problematic as indulging in See: Proto Man)
>Stoicism as social currency inverted through solipsistic Zero fetish

>>8223317

>>8223175
X1. If we're going strictly classic I'd say 2, 3, or 9 (which isn't retro). Possibly Zero 1 or 2, which also aren't retro. Those games were pure kino.

>>8223317
...What?

>>8223383
*Zero 2 or 3

6.

>>8223990
>using the jet armor for piss easy baby jumps
Will MM6fags never not embarrass themselves?

>>8223994
>nooo you can't enjoy using the jet adapter to play the game differently for a change
I can and I will

>>8223175
>Classic
MM8 unironically. This game is overhated for no real reason.
>X
Tossup between X1 and X4, leaning more towards X1.
>Zero&ZX
Z4
>Legends
1

My favorites were 4 and 5 (can't quite seem to choose). I always felt that slide and charge really felt like crucial additions to the formula. I could definitely stomach 3 and there were parts of 2 that I really liked even if there were some really awkward parts especially in the Wily parts. 1, I could never get into. It was too rough around the edges.

78 are fine, but to me seemed a bit stale compared to the good parts of the X series.

>>8224085
>78 are fine
Eh, I think Rockman 43: Wily no Fugishi na Musume?! and Mega Man X-tend Chronophantasma Chaindive were better.

>>8223175
I've definitely played III the most

4. the levels had good variety and gimmicks. and we got cossak and wily levels at the end. the music is very underrated as well

>>8223198
>t. sóylent chugger

>>8224229
The teacher hasn't called you to present yourself yet anon, sit down.

>>8223990
Is it even possible to actually take the alternate route in the first Mr. X stage

>>8223317
Based low functioning schizo

>>8223317
this is exquisite bait

>>8224186
rush x doesnt exist

>>8223175
MM4 was until 9 de-throned it and remained king

>>8223267
>Every weapon should have some interesting property
Can you name some?

>>8223317
>>Dishonest Gaming
Not sure,
>>Post-Tezuka inversions
Tezuka created Astro Boy. Anon seems to be suggesting MM is the inverse of Astro Boy, like how an upside down cross on a heavy metal album is the inverse of the Christian symbol.
>>Grating indefinite amateurish sprite-work
Self-explanatory.
>>Gatcha Game Iconography
Seems to have mispelled gacha, or deliberately made a typo so it suggests "gotcha". Seems to be saying the "icons" of the game, such as the portraits of the robot masters, looks like modern day gacha, and is therefore of lame quality.
>>Proto-Slysoy Disenfranchisement peddled as NEET/ entertainment/Herbivore Powerplay
Basically, he's saying it's R*ddit. This one is complicated. It's kind of referring to how gamers of the 90s were sort of edgy, and he's saying it planted the seeds so to speak of today's "onions" gamers. Think YouTube.
>>Neo netouyo hangups: scene schizophrenia and meme dialogue
Netto-uyoku or Net uyoku is right-wing Japanese social media. I didn't know that was a thing. He's saying Mega Man represents Japanese conservatism, but it's schizophrenic, meaning it's "seeing" shit that ain't there. He's saying the ideals are misplaced.
>>Meta-Structure syndrome (refusing to build narrative structure is just as problematic as indulging in See: Proto Man)
He's saying the series is refusing to nail down a definitive plot for the series over all, often using Proto Man's appearances as a cocktease about what could be.
>>Stoicism as social currency inverted through solipsistic Zero fetish
I'm too tired to explain this one. Basically, Mega Man represents misplaced stoicism which turned into how Zero from the X series behaves: stoic, but juvenile.

>>8224919
No.

this one

>>8223187
This.
but also 3

>>8223317
translate from schizophrenic to english

>>8225205
That's what I love about Zero. It's dark and edgy without being silly and retarded like X.

legends lmao

>>8223317
best bait Ive seen in a month honestly. great schizoposting bait.

>>8224924
damn, anon

>>8224924
>trying to apply meaningful definition to borderline word salad
>>8223990
6 is fun. I enjoy how a lot of the soundtrack is a bit more melancholy than the average MM game.

>>8225205
Doesn't the re-releases change that term to "retirement" because apparently the original localization ad-libbed "execution" when Japan never used such a word?

>>8226096
I thought it was always "retirement" from the start with the international GBA releases?

To be honest, being indirect about it with "retirement" adds to the gravity on what's happening.

>>8223317
I would like for someone to say this out loud

7

>>8226096
I thought it was just censorship but I can believe the "retirement" being part of the original text, like how it's used in Mega Man X.

I'd love to see a retranslation of the Zero games, just to find out what things got changed or removed. Supposedly, Cyber-Elf X never quotes Apocalypse Now and instead indirectly suggests the idea of killing Copy-X to Zero, as if it's a taboo

>>8227842
What was the apocalypse now quote

>>8223383
Why do people still hold 3 in high regard, it's a broken mess. Mega Man 4 is the real masterpiece of the NES era imo.

>>8229176
3 had
1) needle man and shadow man, two fun and challenging buster-only bosses
2) slide introduced (a simple and interesting movement mechanic)
3) rush introduced (much cooler than the Items of 2)
4) protoman introduced (goofy but leaves an impact)
5) great music
6) docman (personally i the extra stages and robot master patterns)
the main complaint i have is that wily is too easy

a common complaint of later games is the introduction of the charge shot which, unlike the slide, completely changes the mechanics because it's advantageous to always be charging. moreover, the charging sound and flashing palette are garish and annoying and masks instruments in the generally good music the series is known for.

>>8223175
Megaman Soccer: Soccer

God tier: 9, 7, 3

Great tier: 5, 6, 2

Good tier: 1, 8, 11, 10

Ok tier: 4

>>8228772
‘Now go… terminate that copy of me… terminate with extreme prejudice’

I keep getting filtered by the Zero redesign. I know it’s meant to be a “new body” or whatever but he looks so dumpy, why is he wearing a body warmer

>>8229276
Zero is more petite to make the world and enemies scarier. Look at the boss designs as well, they're designed with the sole purpose of being killing machines. Even the cutesiest bosses like Childre Inarabitta look like weapons
Also Zero still looks cool and doesn't have green boobs

>>8223317

>>8223317

I really don't get why people love 3 so much. It's stages are solid and generally quite good but the slowdown and terrible stages in the second half like the Doc Robot and Wily stages just make it feel like one of the weaker nes games.

Probably will be seen as hearsay but my ranking of the nes games is this:
4 > 6 > 2 = 1 > 3 > 5

>>8223175
4, 2, and 1 are all tied for best

>>8223187
based

>>8224229
ret.ard contribute or go back

MM2>MM3

>>8230715
inafune, you're a hack

>>8223267
MM8 ranks among the lower games for me. The platforming seems way off because of Mega's running speed and sprite size. Some levels were way too short and there were too many gimmicks thrown in.

>>8223317
hahaha what the fuck did I just read

>>8223175
2 is my favorite but I'd say 3 or 9

>>8229193
Yea. Agree that the slide was a nice addition, although it makes things a bit more complicated and MM2/MM9 is a sweet spot for me. MM3 would be fixed for me if the doc bots were fixed or better yet, removed. Plus that's on the same level as liking Sonic 2 because it introduced the spindash, when the levels aren't even as fun as CD's.

4 is the best game
5 is the worst
My opinion

I liked 2,3 and 6 the most.

Only played up to 7 though.

Never got why people like 4 so much. The bosses are whatever (bar Pharaoh and Skull), some of the levels are brainrottingly boring (Ring Man, Drill Man, Bright Man), most of the fights are piss easy and when you get to the castle stages, it really starts cranking up the ‘fall in spikes that you couldn’t see’ shit. Its easily the weakest classic game for me

>>8223175
GOD TIER: 3, 4, 9
Good tier: 10, 5
Too Easy tier: 6, 8
Ugly tier: 7
Overrated tier: 2
Prototype tier: 1

>>8223317
Excellent post, thank you

1 > 3 > 4 > 2
Didn't play the others. I really like the weapons of the first game.

>>8223175
Mega Man II, clearly.

>>8223317
I am a pretentious retard: the post

>>8223175
7

>>8223175
MM&B

>>8233605
Pretentious would imply that he's got some sort of awareness about how weird his post is. He's actually just insane.

>>8223175
For me the peak of the series was the first 5 Megaman X games, Megaman & Bass, (SNES) and 2 and 3 for the NES with 4, 5, 6 and 9, 10, and 11 close behind.

I'm not very fond of either Megaman Legends game, and I think most can agree that Megaman X took a hit as a series after Megaman X6. (Megaman X7 was a 3D game not done right while Megaman X8, being a side-scroller again, was a "redemption" of sorts.)

I deliberately didn't include the 6 Gameboy games, which are solid with the exception of 2, since the tier would be too crowded and lose focus. Likewise for Xtreme on GBC, the Zero/ZX series, Battle Network/Starforce series, and the portable remakes. (Powered Up and Maverick Hunter X on PSP.) That leaves Megaman & Bass on Wonderswan, which is one of the worse portable games in the series.

I recommend this tier maker, it's the best I found so far, it's quite complete (though it is missing Megaman Soccer!) and good consistent images.

tiermaker.com/create/classic-mega-man-games-12704

>>8231868
i think i'm in the minority on the doc robots, but i understand. i can't buster-only all of them, and i'm not sure if it's even possible (airman comes to mind). some changes to the game were made that makes them harder to beat. they are also too tall, which makes evasion harder for some. the levels being rehashes doesn't get me, thought, because i'm generally impressed by how much they fit onto an NES cartridge.

i really like MM9 and don't miss the slide at all because the level design doesn't require it.

>>8233931
>X6 above 7 and 9

>>8227737
Only if it's said in the same cadence as the old Francis E. Dec rants about Frankenstein Computer Brains.

am i the only one who only likes the soundtrax? >_<

>>8234634
wtf are you talking about? MM is widely recognized as having consistently banging music

Classic megaman:

10 > 9 > 2 = 3 > 5 = 6 > 4 > 1

7 and 8 aren't really "classic" but they suck anyway so they can be ignored

>>8233931
>X3 and X6 above 7, 9 and Legends
it’s over bros

>>8234223
>>8235667
Yes, I vastly prefer all of the X games on Playstation over 7, most of the NES ones, and the 3 Legends games.

>>8235851
Gentleman

>>8223175

>>8238275
you're okay

except that Battle & Chase is actually fucking awesome, it's a lot better than it should be and I've had more fun with it than some of the most "famous" battle racers of the time like Diddy Kong's Racing or even SMK64

but that's probably because I mostly play these games in SP and b&c has an awesome SP campaign

>>8238275
>MM4fags have a splotch of cum on their face
This is accurate

the one thing that's amazing is how people have such different favorites when to the non-fan, they all look like the exact same shit

>>8239595
I'm not a shit eater either but I can accurately divine your taste is shit.

>>8223317
I was about to call you a retard, but then I realized it's bait and kek'd a bit.

Here's another (You).

>>8223227
Kill yourself.

>>8238275
Respectable opinion.

>>8224364
Yes, it's just really difficult to make that one jump

>>8229193
>Top Man
>challenging
Bro wtf

>1
Good, but very unpolished. Has some obnoxious glitches (platforms in Ice Man's stage) and is the dullest one in terms of graphics
>2
Best music, memorable bosses, but still somewhat unpolished. The weapons are uneven and I really hate Wily stage 4 and its boss and music
>3
Fun and I like the slide. Too bad the Wily fortress is too easy and without the manual you have no clue what's going on plot-wise
>4
The most well-rounded one, probably. Great level design and weapons, but for some reason it's not my favorite
>5
The most forgettable one. Nice graphics and blasting things with the charged shot feels good, but the weapons are meh and the music is also meh
>6
Bad controls because you can't jump out of a slide. The fortress stages are a boring blur. But the international premise is cool and the weapons are fun, nice music too
>7
Sprites are big and the unskippable parts are dull but the control is fluid and sliding feels very good. The music, bosses and attention to detail (in regards to graphic design) are all really cool. Very fun game
>8
Childish and weird but good music and good level design

>>8240918
Oh, and I forgot
>Mega Man and Bass
Worst one, definitely. The premise of being able to play as Bass is good, but the graphics are washed out and the fortress stages are awful

>>8240918
>Bad controls because you can't jump out of a slide.

there is a romhack that fixes this, only compatible with the japanese version

>>8240918
>Bad controls because you can't jump out of a slide.
In fairness I think it's intentional in this one to encourage you to experiment more with the Rush adapters, which can't slide.

>>8240931
it's a glitch anon, they fucked up

>>8223175
It's crazy to me that almost the entire Mega Man catalogue is considered retro now.

>>8240918
I think the series suffers when it tries to be too "serious"

Having just put homebrew on my 3DSXL and now that it's running even playstation titles like mega man 8 and x4, i'm kind of sad I still don't have a handheld way to emulate Powered Up and maverick hunter x . Can only do those on my computer.

>>8241784
>Powered Up

Powered Up doesn't exist, stop pretending it does

>MHX

Not a big loss

>>8241946
Powered Up is the only game that matters since it's the only one with playable Roll (besides that one phone port).

>>8240918
>Childish and weird
You act like this is a bad thing

7>2>3>9>10>1>4>5>6>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>8

>>8241946
yes, i too hate extremely well done remakes.

powered up goes so far as to have the original layouts and aspect ratio as an option, with tons of replayability from all the characters you can use. i'd almost argue with all the charm it has it might even have more soul than the original which is fucking unheard of.

>>8242036
You have it reversed

>>8242036
>anime girl picture
Didn't even look at your ranking, fuck off and die

>>8242043
PU botches some of the physics, such as removing the ability to shoot through walls even though that's in practically every other game. It DOES have a surprisingly robust level editor for its time, and for that reason alone I consider it better than MHX. I'd still nuch rather play the original or Wily Wars over its "Old Style" mode.

>>8242128
Wily Wars is shit compared to MMPU

>>8242128
Fair enough, I genuinely never even noticed the loss of that so it didn't bother me. I mean you can't do the ElecMan weapon glitch either obviously but I think that's a good change. And I forgot about the level editor, that shit was great.

>>8242162
At least The Wily Wars remembered to give Mega Man buoyancy. Sure, the level design doesn't take advantage of it much since it's just the first game, but I appreciate the attention to detail.

>>8223175
Is 11 really as mediocre as people say?

>>8242013
Who cares about Roll
This is a series with great characters like Zero, Ciel, Dr Weil, Roll CASKETT, etc but the fascination is for a side character who I believe only had any dialogue in MM8

>>8235851
you were valid til you put battle network in lowest tier

>>8243193
Fuck Battle Star Network Force

>>8243210
why do you dislike it? putting it with x7 is fucked

>>8243213
BN was just gay

>>8240918
>Bad controls because you can't jump out of a slide.
I was just emulating 6 and thought that my keyboard was starting to break because I kept failing to jump
That explains it

>>8243103
all of those are pointless OCs. mega man, roll, light, wily and the first six robot masters are the only real mega man characters

MM7 makes me cum

>>8244137
Underrated game