/vr/ - Retro Games

Based. I couldn't get into deus ex because its not female. never have been able to play it.
I can only get into games where the MC is female.

For what reason?

>>8217367
P cool. Adds a scrapped feature back which is neat.

>>8217394
You console-minded fool, there's no rhyme or reason for modding. The only reason is: Because they can.

>>8217367
>some characters like Morpheus have been completely redubbed.
I think this was done because the original Morpheus dialogue was almost mumbled, and the soundtrack constantly goes DUM DUH DUR DURR DOOO DOOO! over top of it. But the other reason to do it is because they don't have his raw voice lines, only the distorted ones, and the line "JC Denton. Male..." has no convenient way to splice it to say "Female". Honestly, I think 99% of people would not notice the change in Morpheus actor. It's like how Mordin's actor changed in Mass Effect 3 and basically nobody noticed.

>>8217394
Because the lack of a female Denton was always a glaring omission. What a weird question. Invisible War has female Denton. Deus Ex 1 doesn't. So modders have finally fixed the problem.

Interesting but an odd choice of focus since this doesn't really do anything. There's like 10 overhauls of the game and none of them even fix the assault rifle. Still gonna give it a runthrough to hear iconic/ridiculous JC lines in a new voice because I'm juvenile like that.

Wait what is the "balls of steel" line for her going to be?

>>8217560
Steel trap vagina.

>>8217560
Ballettes of steele

>>8217538
>There's like 10 overhauls of the game and none of them even fix the assault rifle.
The point of a mod like this is to respect the original creative intent of the game, not fuck with it.

>>8217595
The creative intent of the game is varied approaches, not to create invalid ones for no reason that serve no purpose.

>>8217560
Are you thinking of “You mechs may have copper wiring to reroute pain, but I’ve got nerves of steel.” ?

>>8217367
Back to resetera with you

>>8217420
>glaring omission
No

>>8217695
Yes I was. That's funny to have misremembered it as balls. Thanks anon.

>>8217367
That's pretty sick. Thanks for sharing. I'm gonna install that once I get home from my vacation

That's pretty cool. Voice actress isn't quite nailing that particular brand of stilted and weird amateur I would have liked though.

>>8217810
Yeah but if she's matched male JC at that it would feel like a bad fan creation. There's no winning, if we were going to get stilted weird amateur and like it, it would have had to have been official. This sounds fucking ridiculous but it's true: nobody would accept fanwork that's as goofy as the original product in this case.

>>8217597
Out of curiosity, what was the problem with the assault rifle?

>>8217769
It is glaring because the game was overtly supposed to have a female protag option. We even had concept art for female JC. JC's name is gender-neutral, and we always knew that. When we played Invisible War it was even more conspicuous that female JC was missing compared to female Alex.

>>8218060
Numerous.
It's mandatory 3 round burst - it's the game's machine gun and there is no full-auto or even single-fire allowed. With recoil out the ass on each.
The 3 round burst, all 3 rounds combined, deal pitiful damage. If you multiplied the TOTAL by 1.5 you wouldn't reach one shot of the basic pistol.
In order for a 3 round burst TO THE HEAD to have a chance to kill a basic guard you need Master Rifle because the damage increases are rounded down and the base damage of the weapon is 3, (meaning you don't even receive a damage bonus at all from the first upgrade).

And get this, you have the mandatory 3 bursts, will only sometimes kill on headshot (even when powerful enough with enough recoil, they will start moving while you hit them), guess what the range of bullets you can receive is, from an ememy who drops this weapon or a weapon pickup? 1 to 5 (random). If 100% of enemies dropped the gun, which is nowhere near true, you would be very unlikely to break even, even if you got all 3 rounds of the burst to headshot 95% of the time.

Whether it's an accident, a joke, or an attempt at enemy nerfing, I'm not gonna comment on. But its only real use in a game is the secondary grenade fire.

>>8217367
>>8217370
No one that matters cares. Only coomers and trannys like this shit. Biological females only play mobile games.

>>8218152
You also don't matter, self-important-anon. Post safely disregarded.

>>8218172

>>8218194
Didn't read. Not to worry anon. You are not important, remember.

>>8217420
>Invisible War has female Denton. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Invisible War has universal ammo. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Invisible War has passive augs. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Invisible War has passive augs. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Invisible War has tiny levels that require constant loading screens. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Invisible War has Omar. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.

No one cares. Take your identity politics and shove them up your ass nigger.

>>8218271
>Invisible War has passive augs. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
>Invisible War has passive augs. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Infolink and IFF
>Invisible War has Omar. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Omar were based though, one of the few good/interesting parts of DXIW

>>8218271
It's very common knowledge that female JC was planned, this is planned feature restoration just like any other. Would you be this resistant to the idea of restoring a planned costume alternation?

The real downfall is that they haven't implemented selection, yet. That comes at a later planned version apparently. People wanna be mad at women whatever, but selection not being implemented means the feature itself isn't implemented.

>>8218286
I would be if it was touted as "and honestly you could release this as an official patch and I don't think anyone would have issues with the quality." Things are left on the cutting room floor before release all the time.

>>8217797
Female Duke when

>>8218341
Spineless Fury already exists.

>>8218341
Wasn't that also another cut thing from some Duke game? Some big fan pack for D3D included the proto-alternate female character as a playable, full of cheesy lines that I can't remember. She was cut from a later game even though this was a D3D mod.

>>8218062
What concept art? JC is a clone of Paul.

>>8217367
Looks terrible. None of JC's lines work with a female actress.

>Stay out of the ladies restroom
???

>>8218424
on the moddb page there's a screen of Manderley saying stay out of the men's room. Idk how they did that one, aside from rearrange existing voice lines.

>>8218405
The entire reason he's called JC is to facilitate a male/female option. It's why Alex Denton has a male/female option in Invisible War. They just had issues and had to cut female JC. Same as they had to cut the alternate story branch where you don't side with Paul.

>people could have spent time making a stay with Unatco route
>choose the female JC option that hardly makes a fucking difference

>>8218845

>>8218862
One of these options is a hell of a lot harder to do.

>>8218862
You just blow in from stupid town?

Trash.

>>8218271
Invisible War is garbage. Can't believe how bad it turned out.

>>8218341
That's technically Shelly "Bombshell" Harrison, with concepts appearing first in 1997

>>8218317
So your issue is with the quality?

>>8219206
No from your mom

>>8219238
"Yes." would have been less keystrokes.

>>8218271
>>8217420
Invisible War is a shite game. Deus Ex 1 isn't.

>>8218845
It's cool and nice that they've made this mod, but I don't think female JC ever got out of concept. It's not something they cut during development.

>>8219340
>It's not something they cut during development.
It is, which is why JC's player class is deusex.jcdentonmale and not simply deusex.jcdenton

DO SEX

>>8219235
My issue is with "this fan work is totes liek teh original vision and stuff!!!" This inevitably leads to autists pushing a mod or compilation of mods as the "definitive edition" of the game for new players.

>>8217367
cringe

>>8220537
based

>>8217367
I hate women. Yes, I have sex (with women).

>>8220537
So your issue is with OP more than the mod then. I don't entirely disagree with that sentiment. Every time someone recommends a mod for a first playtrough it feels distasteful. Few exceptions.
This one seems mostly harmless though, so long as this is ALL it does. No cheeky humor or dialogue changes.

>>8217367
So persons with a vagina get a mod, but LGBTQ+ get nothing? Unbelievable.

>>8220681
Good, I'm going to terrorize your ass then, how about that. When you're asleep at 5 in the morning I'm walking in

>>8220537
Fuck the new players. They shouldn't be trying anything other than mods that fix things that were actually broken or make the games run well on modern systems.

This is /vr/ for fuck's sake, the assumption should be you've played all these old ass games.

>>8220697
>brother wants to play a game
>his autistic fucking friend sends him a fuckload of mods that overhaul the game completely
Fuck people like this.

>>8217769
>>8218062
In fact, JC's model name is literally JCDentonMale because that's how far along it got. I'm all for this mod desu, never gonna turn down the chance to give Deus Ex another replay

>>8218271
>Invisible War has passive augs. Deus Ex 1 doesn't.
Yes it does. People barely ever take them because the active ones are always better but the game has passive augs.

>>8217367
sounds like a pretty neat mod.

>>8217420
human revolution, the fall & mankind divided didn't have the option for feMCs either.

>>8220860
I can't totally place it, but there's something off about how some of the lines are recorded, not necessarily in how they're delivered. Like I can hear a sort of echo; I swear sometimes. I hope they fine tune it as they move forward to making it so you don't have to change versions

>>8218892
The reason Harvey Smith approved JC Denton was because it would allow Denton to be a woman. That was always the way Smith was inclined and you saw that Dishonored 2.

>>8220537
Female JC seems like the definitive way to play the game, speaking as someone who always chooses the female protagonist.

>>8221016
>human revolution, the fall & mankind divided didn't have the option for feMCs either.
That's because Eidos Montreal made them, and they ignored multiple design pillars of Deus Ex in their games. Adam Jensen is a bad DE protag. He puts way too much emotion into his lines, for example. He is too much of a defined character. JC Denton managed to go on political rants in the most deadpan manner possible. Something Adam can't do.

>>8220697
I believe that there should be a kind of balance. If there is nothing but nostalgic circlejerk, then there is no future and all these games will be soon effectively forgotten forever. Just don't go far in the other direction and things should remain more or less fine.

>>8221081

>>8220691
Have fun catching bullets retard. I think you replied to the wrong post.

>>8217367
Now all we need are the sex mods

Come on loverslab

>>8218845
Concept JC gives me Postal Dude vibes.

Big tits/lewd outfits mod soon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXlNTOWfDzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdhJsfCCnvw&list=LL&index=3

>>8217420
>glaring omission
retard

>>8221772
Lmao they kept in the VA lip smacking. Too bad we wouldn't get a professional recording.

>>8217367
I hate women, so I will be giving this mod a hard pass.

>>8223043
Can't tell if you're joking or not because the original voice line also has lip smacking.

A woman JC would really ruin the mythos for me. Glad they decided against it in the final retail release.

>>8220687
>implying thats not exactly whose MOST hype about using this
t.LGBT

>>8223221
>decided against it

Yeah, cause they couldn't afford it.

The game was over budget, running late, and on a seriously aging engine that was built for a now defunct series of graphics cards. They needed to release as soon as possible.

JC is intentionally just a blank trained patriotism parrot anyway, there isn't a gendered aspect to anything he says. So I'm wavering between "don't see the point" and "yeah this is acceptable because it's meaningless" here. It's not that he doesn't have a personality, it's that he's been engineered to be a neutral entity running on the corporate script as a plot point.

>short haired JC dyke
no thanks

>>8223374
Thank god for the financial and technical limitations. We dodged a stinky, fishy smelling bullet.

>>8223893
A selection tickbox at the beginning of the game that you would have ticked "male" and never had cause to think of thereafter would have killed the game for you?

>>8224013
Wouldn't have killed it but it would certainly make it worse.

>>8217370
based

>>8223458
Personally I just like the idea of an entirely new way to play vanilla Deus Ex

the voice actress they got is actually pretty kino

sounds about as deadened as JCD

>>8217367
Neat. Did they redo dialogs and voice too?
I usually play NFS Hot Pursuit 2 with a female driver mod since she looks better than the default bloke and watching her getting caught by police is satisfactory.

>>8225884
She even recorded that lip smack in the "what a shame" line.

>>8226025
>>8225884
>wow its like JC but female!
yeah what a game changer

>>8226054
It would be an unsuccessful mod otherwise

>>8225927
Pretty much. They covered all their bases.

>>8226054
Sounds like a good enough reason to replay Deus Ex. You even get to go the Men's bathroom and assert femdom

Everybody knows JC stands for Joshi Chuugakusei. JC was always supposed to be a 14 year old girl.

>>8226054
Trannies need to delude themselves into thinking they're women if they play as them in videogames.

>>8223458
JC doesn't say or do much of anything a woman would say or do. He was totally designed by dudes to be a dude.

>>8226336
The whole subplot about JC entering the lady's room wouldn't work if he was a girl.

All these comments about how JC couldn't be a woman are stupid considering he shares a game with Anna Navarre.

>>8226340
>The whole subplot
That's not a subplot lmao

>>8226341
Anna Navarre is a big dumb brawn hilda trope and they're nothing alike, fool.

>>8226419
What does JC do that's so unbelievable that a woman couldn't do it? Especially in the future where a chunk of the population is a cyborg?

>>8226419
Not quite.

>>8226336
JC's most masculine feature is callousness. A woman being habitually callous is only slightly atypical, you still meet so many callous women that you couldn't call it mannish on its own.

>>8226340
>The whole subplot about JC entering the lady's room
script runs deep

I wonder how many of the complaints are just "I don't want the protagonist from my favorite immersive sim to be a girl" while no one bats an eye when this shit happens to any other game that isn't on /v/'s cult classic list.
By the way, female JC doesn't work because he's a clone of Paul, but it's just a fucking mod so who gives a shit.

>>8226674
>assic list.
>By the way, female JC doesn't work because he's a clone of Paul,
Checkmate modders, update when?

>>8226437
He's a trained killer, for one. Women are only proficient at killing their children.

>>8226652
>JC's most masculine feature is callousness
That's not a masculine feature lmao
>>8226696
>He's a trained killer, for one.
That fits Ana's description.

>>8226708
Anna is a psychopath.

>>8226437
>What does JC do that's so unbelievable that a woman couldn't do it?
General competency, cool under fire

>>8226437
>Not quite.
Way to address nothing he said, kek.

>>8226727
He didnt say anything to address. That interaction was "I think it's this" vs "I don't think so"

>>8226720
The two aren't mutually exclusive.

>>8226738
Why are you a liar? He said that she's just a dumb trope character and that they are nothing alike. People like you are always worth a giggle or two - like a mod for a twenty year old game is gonna make people realize that 'women stronk' or some shit. You're really fighting the good fight here, my dude.

>>8226781
>He said that she's just a dumb trope character and that they are nothing alike.
So in other words, he disagreed.

>>8226674
>female JC doesn't work because he's a clone of Paul
women can be men, too, stinky bigot.

>>8217367
>. It was partially why the gender neutral "JC" was chosen as a name
Bullshit. He was to be named Jean-Charles Danton for the changes he'd bring to the world. Danton was changed to Denton and the rest was shortened to avoid any confusion.

>>8226674
Alex D is a clone of JC and she can be female.

>>8228197
However, if JC were to be female, Alex couldn't be his male clone.

To be honest I don't want to see women in video games.

>>8228185
Harvey "because your cracker ass can't speak Arabic" Smith had final say on character names, and he only consented to JC because it would allow a female protag.

>>8217367
What a waste of everyone's time and resources, utterly pointless mod. Doesn't really matter what xyz intended, JC is an icon and the face of the game why the fuck would I want to replace him and his voice?

>>8228468
because women! YAS SLAY QUEEN

>>8228197
>>8228240
Neither is how things should work if they care about muh realism. You can, in theory, mangle one of the X chromosomes into an Y. Not the reverse.
Although if they have genetic material from Paul's and JC's parents they can do whatever they want.

>>8228430
>"because your cracker ass can't speak Arabic"
?

>>8217367
>Ion Storm always intended JC Denton to have a gender choice.
The fuck they did. Fucking Liar

>>8217370
Ghey Goo

>>8229095
They did, but I think OP (and the modshills) are overstating how much it mattered or would (as is quite obvious with the mod)

>>8217367
I've read they added NPCs for the sole purpose of acknowledging her sex and even deleted others.
Seriously, WHY?

>>8228468
>What a waste of everyone's time and resources
Nigga, you are on 4chan. This site has no value outside of wasting time.

>>8217417
>"JC Denton. Male..." has no convenient way to splice it to say "Female"

>JC Denton. Male
>JC Denton
Look, ma, I'm a rocket scientist!
Also I'm pretty sure you could dig up a sound byte sounding like "fee" from all his dialogue.

>>8218134
Besides the burst fire, most of your complaints are "fixed" by picking the rifles skill and applying weapon mods.
I did an assault rifle run once, and it was a beast, easily the best non single shot weapon available.

>>8220883
Unmodded it doesn't (besides the stock ones as pointed out previously).
Power recirculator and aqualung (I know you were thinking about these) still need activating.

>>8221772
Damn, that's actually pretty bad. No way people praising it here aren't shills. This is barely close to professional quality acting. You can hear she tries to do deadpan like the original, but it comes off like someone struggling to read in front of the class instead when being suddenly tasked by the teacher.

>>8226437
>What does JC do that's so unbelievable that a woman couldn't do it?
He uncovers a conspiracy instead of playing his part to the end.

>>8229746
>I've read they added NPCs for the sole purpose of acknowledging her sex
>and even deleted others.
Wew. Into the trash it goes.

>>8228483
>You can, in theory, mangle one of the X chromosomes into an Y. Not the reverse.
Huh? Normal women only have one functional/active X chromosome, the other is deactivated.

yaaaas queen!

>>8229846
>This is barely close to professional quality acting.
I sure hope you aren't trying to say DX has good voice acting.

Volume level is wrong, would still give it another try if they fixed problems with it and introduced proper selection I guess

>>8229757
UNATCO hurt my weenie

>>8230464
I guess that's a fair point. What would it mean for their children? 25% failure rate?

>>8218282
>Omar were based though, one of the few good/interesting parts of DXIW
I thought so too. Never really cared about the Order/WTO stuff but the Omar kept me interested enough to keep playing. Also some of the augs are fun to use like being able to take control of bots.

>open script
>ctrl+f all "male" and "he"
>replace with "female" and "she"
>receive praise from trannies

>>8230494
>DX had bad voice acting
Do you have any fact to back that up?

>>8218341
>Dyke Nukem: land of the dudes

>>8231825
I spil my DRINK

>>8231826
Is Bombshell gay? Also why wouldn't it just be more babes in that case

>>8229095
>>8229115
But it does matter because only weird incels voluntarily play as male characters in RPGs.

>>8217394
Because the old design docs/bible intended for a male or female Denton and so modders want to give the option themselves

>>8219216
>>8218341
Alien Armageddon for Duke3D gives a playable bombshell from the original Duke Forever stuff, she has her own variation on the weapons and Duke one liners

>>8217367
How are they gonna get past that one secret side mission in china where you sedate a dock guard and fuck him so hard in the ass your cybercock overclocks and you EMP that section of the city for the rest of that section? The Deus Ex Lore clearly states that all strap ons were dismantled and illegalized after the cock bombing of 2032. I cant see anyway to keep that mission in without being non canonical.

>>8217367
Fucking nice.

This thread baffles me. Why would anyone be upset about an optional mod? Aren't mods like one of the pillars of pc gaming?

>>8217367
What a Ghey Mod filled with Ghey Goo.

>>8236253
Because it's obvious lies and bandwagoning. JC Denton is JC Denton.

>>8217394
Cos tits. Thats the reason

>>8236253
I don't play retro games to have current day politics shoved down my throat, thanks!

>>8236253
The mod could have come out and no one would have cared except the ones who wanted it and searched for it. But someone just had to shill it and shitpost about it.

>>8217367
the female mod should be exactly the same in every way, except in all the dialog your pronouns are she/her

>>8236512
>current day politics is an option select to play female like games have been doing forever

>>8236738
Except he's still male and needs to stay out of the ladies room.

>>8236739
>going out of your way spending quite some time to put in some half assed option of literally gender bending and option that literally doesn't bring in anything except that the character now has a vagina only because one time the original developer had the idea as a concept during developing

>>8236781
if the mod doesn't feature a nude attractive female, it's woke

>>8236253
It's okay to do mods, I don't care much if it's bad, but not if you're going to brag about what you're doing but you did it wrong.

>>8236739
the vile influence of SJWs reaches all the way back to super mario bros 2 (aka donkey donkey picnic). also birdo is forced LGBT representation

>>8236753
underrated

>>8236781
Oh shit your post was actually serious?

>>8236838
Toadstool is not the only character. All the rest are male.
Birdo is supposed to be a freak.