/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8217837
Well done, my dude, try beating the second loop as well now, cool stuff. Best feeling is to beat the whole game 2 loops included after taking some break, few months or so, you gonna be amazed how simple it is now.
> I will never even attempt to beat Death
You should, it's satisfying to donk on motherfucker once you'll learn how to do so without Holy water.
Play 3 next, Japanese one with language patch, don't listen to anyone telling you to play US one, it's a shittier version, "muh difficulty" is irrelevant if you are going for a second loop, which again, you should.

>>8217863
You're saying I should skip AVGN's favorite game?

>>8217870
3 is the same style of gameplay, 2 is not.
2 is not that bad, at worst it's just boring.

>>8217837
Congratulations, now play some of the other games.

>>8217870
I'm not gonna say that I like CV2 very much, because I don't, but it's also not without its interesting aspects, it's worth giving it a look at any rate, be that the base version, or one of those romhacks which fixes the game.

>>8217837
Good job anon.

>>8217837
feels good doesn't it

How many of the top 10 Castlevania games has /vr/ beaten without savestates?

#10: Super Castlevania 4
#9: Belmont's Revenge
#8: Haunted Castle
#7: Adventure ReBirth
#6: Rondo of Blood
#5: Super Dracula X
#4: X68000 / Chronicles
#3: Castlevania 1
#2: Bloodlines
#1: Castlevania 3

>>8217863
>Play 3 next, Japanese one
CV3 USA is the single most most soul sucking and terrifying experience in the series, which brings its themes to an entire other level. If you don't have flashbacks of those experiences creeping into your mind like a kid after reading a Goosebumps book, you've cheated yourself.

>>8217870
2 is a comfy ride, at least once you know what to do, and you probably do through cultural osmosis. It's just that, even then, it's neither difficult (hence the comfiness) or well designed, what with enemy and player character design kind of being all over the place. You have asshole knights blocking the top of steps with no axe to deal with them, but then it's like, you have fucking temporary invincibility on demand, so fuck them, I guess. 2's weird in that regard, but it kind of makes up for it with its sullen mood, so there's that. Arguably best that you start it alongside another game instead of just 2 alone. You may end up abandoning it, but that's how it goes sometimes.

>>8217837
You must continue the quest to ascend stairs. Regularly.

Why didn't the Belmonts just use hot air balloons or hanggliders?

>>8217938
They'd probably never get away with that shit. Dracula might seem imposing in the later games where he casually fires meteors, but even Bram Stoker Dracula could cause ferocious storms if I remember right. That presuming that Belmont doesn't just get sniped by Death or badgered by medusa heads and winged skeletons.

All the bosses in CV are terrible
>monster walks towards you
>0 combat or movement counters to this "attack", besides water spam
>whoops you're dead :)

I can't fathom how braindead you'd have to be to enjoy this dogshit. No offense, but I prefer games with good combat and movement, which these games completely lack.

>>8217947
CV1 and CV3 have platforming and combat elements but they're actually rhythm games in disguise, and that's the beauty in them.

>>8217938
>ride air balloon to Castlevania
>about 100ft from the castle these fuckers show up and make your hot air balloon hotter than ever

>>8217938
I thought the reverse castle was made to counter this?

>>8217878
2 is really fun. Don't believe the lies of the sóy clan. Don't be afraid to look up help if you need it.

>>8218016
Meant for >>8217870

>>8217918
Of strictly those I've beaten 1, 3, 4, Rondo, Bloodlines, Dracula X, Belmont's Revenge, and Haunted Castle. Playing through Chronicles right now and plan to tackle Adventure ReBirth afterwards. I never use save states.

>>8217837
>save states
This should never be considered. Congrats though.

>>8217837
Congratulations my friend, you've truly beat an NES classic. Out of curiosity, what method did you use to defeat the Grim Reaper with the Holy Water?

>>8217837
>>8217863
US Castlevania III is worthwhile for the bonus enemies it adds to its Second Loop, namely unique foes that never appear in the First Loop or any loop of the Japanese version.

>>8217918
Of only those
>Rondo
>Super Dracula X
>1
>3
>Bloodlines
Hell, I even 1CC'd Bloodlines. That game was my shit for the longest time

>>8217938
A lot of them probably journeyed before those were feasible, and the Belmonts are there to defeat all the monsters tormenting people, as opposed to just Dracula.

>>8218136
Not him, but I assume he stunlocked him on one of the platforms with the triple shot upgrade. That's what I did, anyway.

I just got my copy of CV3 for the Famicom yesterday and want to rearrange my room to use my CRT to play it. My main mistake was testing it out for 10 minutes on my LCD to make sure the cart wasn't fucked, music chip wise, and then proceeding to have a killer headache for the rest of the night due to the shimmering background in game.

>>8217837
Good, now do loop 2 :))))))

>>8217863
>FDS
>good

>>8218304
CV3 is a cart game in Japan

>>8217918
2 is better than all of these

>>8217918
All of them except for Haunted Castle and Adventure ReBirth. These I haven't played

>>8217918
All those listed more, except Haunted Castle because it's a shit game and not even a real Castlevania, they just put a CV coat of paint at the last minute on this almost finished arcade game they had because it was their new hottest thing.

Beating without savestates is just the norm though. If you want to gloat try things like CV1 whip-only [check], or beating DXX and Bloodlines on a single life [check]

>>8218318
>DXX on a single life
Are you even human?

>>8218310
no its fds, unless was re-released
https://youtu.be/i05XdeM_5pM

>>8218319
I was attempting no-dmg runs. I'd always get hit 2 or 3 times per playthrough though (no matter if I used the bad ending or the good ending path).

CV games, and DXX in particular, are very mathematical games in which if you always repeat the very same steps at the very same time there is no risk of fucking up, only exception being the rare moments with semi-random patterns like Death's scythes or Fleamen. That makes them very good candidates for this kind of run.

>>8218318
>All those listed more, except Haunted Castle because it's a shit game and not even a real Castlevania,
Sounds like you got filtered. HC is a fine CV game, though the last level is a tad too lazy, being just a crumbling bridge and bats.

>>8218329
Are you fucking with me? I could've sworn there was no disk version

>>8218358
No it is, he’s full of shit
1 and 2 are FDS though

>>8217837
>holy water
>damn what a shit weapon
>rapes everything in your path once you figure what it actually does

>>8218345
Pretending to like HC is like pretending to hate DXX while liking CV1 at the same time.

It's just the hip&trendy "I know things" opinion other people told you to have.

>>8218415
I've 1cc'd HC.

>>8217870
This thing is basically worthless as a gaming experience. It's just endless backtracking and farming, with the platforming, enemies and bosses having no thought or effort put in them.

>>8217918
What order is this supposed to be

>>8217921

It's not that hard. Also it has cleaner, better music.

>>8217947

That only applies to Medusa and the mummies. You can dodge all the others in various ways. And even for those two, there is another counter, which is boomerang spam. Yeah that's right here in the God-fearer-fearing US we call them boomerangs, get it straight.

>>8217837
Nice job, mang. If you decide to play it through a few more times you'll be surprised at how easy it starts to feel, which is a good feeling for a game like this.

>>8218642
>better music
Definitely not true but that’s your prerogative

>>8217918
Belmont's Revenge, Rondo of Blood, CV 1 and 3, Bloodlines. The others I haven't played yet.

Though I did use continues for all of them except CV 1 (which was short enough that I played it a lot until I could 1cc it) and Rondo (which I could 1cc, but only as Maria. Had to use continues with Richter). I think I probably could have 1cc'd CV3 on the Sypha route if I tried, since I thought Dracula was easy and pretty much had the rest of the game memorized, but learning how to get through the last level or two was repetitive enough that once I beat the game once I decided that was enough.

>>8218136
I wasn't aware there were multiple methods, considering that if you just through it on the top right platform from the start of the fight, you'll stunlock him until he's dead.

>>8217947
I mean, they're NES games. How many NES games had really in-depth boss fights?

>>8217947
The movement is tight with clearly defined rules for what you can and can't do. Not every game needs to be BING BING WAHOO.

>>8218997
CV3 boss fights are better than CV1's

>>8218997
mega man games

>>8219110
Those aren't particularly deep, especially if we're considering Robot Masters here.

>>8218997
Not technically "bosses" though.

>>8218482
From worst to best CV games

>>8218318
>Beating without savestates is just the norm though. If you want to gloat try things like CV1 whip-only [check], or beating DXX and Bloodlines on a single life [check]

Yeah, but have you Trevor-only'd CV3's lower paths? That's where the real shit's at.

Also were you playing BL on Expert? Because normal is too easy in that game.

>>8217837
Friendly reminder jap versions of Mega Drive/NES/SNES games all have infinite continues while the NA/Euro releases are artificial difficulty

Just make sure you play the Japanese version of 3, not the shit ass butchered US version

>>8217918
All of them except Haunted Castle, haven't played it. I did reference a YouTube video for Belmont's Revenge's final boss though because it's really bad.

>>8219661
Make sure to play Version M of the arcade game, not the versions where you die in 2-3 hits.

>>8219728
Isn't version M the hardest one?

>>8219853
naw

>>8217918
4 and Dracula X even saved the loli
I've gotten to the big man in 1 and 3 but haven't beaten him yet. I've played chronicles the least of them but managed to get to the doppelganger. Haven't played any of the others.

>>8217837
Now play ninja gaiden without save states

I have played SOTN and GBA Castlevania games. Should I play NES games or are they vastly different fron SOTN and GBA games?

>>8222810
They're vastly different and infinitely better. Trust me, once you go back to classicvania goodness you'll never want to touch a memetroidvania again.

>>8222810
They're vastly different, but they're also fun and you should give them a try. The best NES one is Castlevania 3, the best SNES one is Super Castlevania, and then there's one on the Sega Genesis, Castlevania Bloodlines.
Give each of these a try for peak ClassicVania.

>>8222851
>he can't like multiple different Vanias

>>8222851
>>8222907
But i have heard that they are hard and i am a casual player

>>8222940
There may be easy hacks, or use a code to give yourself a bunch of lives or something.

>>8222940
Castlevania 1 isn't as hard as many other NES games. The secret to it is that you need to figure out a routine for each section and stick to it precisely or you're eating shit, it's very much a rhythm game in essence, the best example of this being the vertical stair climb in Castlevania 3. However, CV3 USA is insanely hard and will make you its bitch unless you have tons of patience.

>>8222940
Time to put your big boy britches on then.

>>8217938
Because Death would spot you coming from a mile away and send you crashing down before you get anywhere near Castlevania.

Are there what can be considered definitive versions of the core games? I’ve always wanted to give this series a run through but have no idea where to start with all the ports - e.g., the original ps1 Symphony of Night or the Dracula Chronicles unlockable version for the PSP.

>>8217938
Why didn't the Belmonts...

1) set the whole place on fire?
2) use cannons to destroy the castle?
3) fight together instead sending one person?
4) use ranged weapons?
5) use stealth tactics?
6) ask for help from other people?

>>8217918
In October 2018 I beat SCIV and Rondo of Blood as my first two Castlevania games, then in 2019 I beat 1. Gonna try and beat 3 for Halloween this year.

>>8223551
>1) set the whole place on fire?
Not likely you just set a big ass Castle like that on fire
>2) use cannons to destroy the castle?
Probably wouldn't be very effective, it's not a normal Castle, it's DEMON Castle
>3) fight together instead sending one person?
Everyone else got owned, only the Belmonts are strong enough
>4) use ranged weapons?
The Vampire Killer is the ultimate weapon against Dracula and his minions.
>5) use stealth tactics?
Can't argue with that
>6) ask for help from other people?
Everyone else got owned.

>>8217918
6, but I've only played 7 of those. Bloodlines kicks my ass for some reason, it just never feels right in my hands.

>>8217947
>>8218648
You can use walking on the lower area and crouching to bait Medusa into flying lower then jump when she's in a dive. The way to dodge the Mummies is to not break the health block and to jump back up on the higher platforms.

>>8217863
>Japanese one
casual

>>8218358
>>8218385
Indeed, a random YouTube video with 81 views is not proof. There was no FDS version.

>>8217837
You could just say "I beat Castlevania." Adding "without save states" is unnecessary because if you had used save states you wouldn't have beaten it.

>>8218016
Actually it's completely worthless as a game, there's no more value playing it than watching someone else do it, as both are utterly boring.

>>8223551
>1) set the whole place on fire?
Have you tried burning down an entire castle? While under attack, no doubt while the monsters fight the fire too?

>2) use cannons to destroy the castle?
Again, have you tried to level an entire bigass castle with some fucking cannons? That's a lot of work, projectiles carrying worthwhile explosive payloads aren't a thing until the 1800s. Nevermind the resistance you'll face.

>3) fight together instead sending one person?
That's Castlevania III : Dracula's Curse.

>4) use ranged weapons?
They do, throwing knives, throwing axes, throwing crosses, bottles of holy water (thrown), have been used by Belmonts since the first game. Later characters have also used guns and even rocket launchers (.gif almost related).

>5) use stealth tactics?
Grant kind of did, or, he probably could really well.

>6) ask for help from other people?
See Castlevania III : Dracula's Curse

>>8217863
>don't listen to anyone telling you to play US one, it's a shittier version

wrong. you lose all credibility with stupid statements like that.

You the same anon who was having trouble with the Frankenstein monster a few days back? If so good job on buckling down and finishing it

>Dracula is the biggest fucking bullshit prick boss.
He's actually not that bad once you know how to do it. I remember the first time I got to him I struggled, but then watched someone on Youtube do it. For the first form, you just use the whip. Constantly move so when he teleports he's not generating into you and so you have enough space to jump over his fire and hit him. (the key is to not get cornered at either end of the room.) It's actually simple. You just jump as soon as he releases the three fireballs. You jump over them before they even have a chance to expand. In the same jump, whip his head. Yes, it's precise to an extent, but I found it easy to get it down to a pattern, and it's not like it's pixel perfect precise. You just have to be in front of him and not be pushed up to one end of the room or another.

For the second form, (it's actually not Dracula) constantly whip and throw potions or crosses, pay attention to when he jumps. It's hard to avoid getting hit when he corners you into either wall but it's possible as he jumps high, he can jump over you. I'd say it's tough if you got hit two times or more on the first form, but easy otherwise.

>I will never even attempt to beat Death without carrying the Holy Water all the way to him
Even Death is not that bad if you use the cross. You just have to be conservative in your movement. Use the whip and the cross defensively to destroy the scythes. Hell, it's possible whip-only.

Seriously, watch a whip-only playthrough. People exaggerate the difficulty of this game. (at least for the first run.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDzxFk-UBdA

>>8217837
>Dracula is the biggest fucking bullshit prick boss.
He's actually not that bad once you know how to do it. I remember the first time I got to him I struggled, but then watched someone on Youtube do it. For the first form, you just use the whip. Constantly move so when he teleports he's not generating into you and so you have enough space to jump over his fire and hit him. (the key is to not get cornered at either end of the room.) It's actually simple. You just jump as soon as he releases the three fireballs. You jump over them before they even have a chance to expand. In the same jump, whip his head. Yes, it's precise to an extent, but I found it easy to get it down to a pattern, and it's not like it's pixel perfect precise. You just have to be in front of him and not be pushed up to one end of the room or another.

For the second form, (it's actually not Dracula) constantly whip and throw potions or crosses, pay attention to when he jumps. It's hard to avoid getting hit when he corners you into either wall but it's possible as he jumps high, he can jump over you. I'd say it's tough if you got hit two times or more on the first form, but easy otherwise.

>I will never even attempt to beat Death without carrying the Holy Water all the way to him
Even Death is not that bad if you use the cross. You just have to be conservative in your movement. Use the whip and the cross defensively to destroy the scythes. Hell, it's possible whip-only.

Seriously, watch a whip-only playthrough. People exaggerate the difficulty of this game. (at least for the first run.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDzxFk-UBdA

>>8225914
>You just jump as soon as he releases the three fireballs.
I'll add that the timing might accurately be called "just before" instead of "as soon as." Honestly, it's not ideal to put it into words. Just watch a video of it though. This game made me realize how helpful it is to watch Youtube videos of someone good at it before trying yourself. Perhaps the best fun to challenge in a game is figuring things out on your own, but at the same time it's hardly like watching someone else and getting a better idea of how to do something removes the challenge. You still have to execute it properly. I find that most of the things people get stuck on in games, isn't even necessarily since they're particularly bad but simply because they're not approaching the segment of the level, enemy, or boss the right way. I don't think watching Youtube videos to help with parts your stuck can be understated in helpfulness.

Which Castlevania games are worth playing?

>>8217921
>If you don't have flashbacks of those experiences creeping into your mind like a kid after reading a Goosebumps book, you've cheated yourself.
I think you have Stockholm Syndrome.

>>8217837
The original save state was leaving the console running on pause until you came home from school to finish the game

>>8227421
Los was groundbreaking for me
Bloodline will always be my fav
Cv1
Lament of innocence was pretty good as long as you keep track of what your doing

>>8227421
Most of them, really. It'd be easier to list the ones which aren't. If you want any suggestions on where to start with the series, I'd go with
>Classic, linear platforming action
1's tough but fair, and does a good job establishing what to expect out of the rest of these games. Just be sure you read the manual or look up how the subweapon upgrades work, since that really helps you out. Rondo of Blood's a great game that's not too frustrating compared to the tougher games in the series, and has some of the most content out of the "classic" style games.
>Exploratory, Metroidy gameplay
Symphony of the Night's a great place to start. Unless you impose limits on yourself it gets a bit too easy but it feels and looks great to play through. Excellent atmosphere.

>>8217918
im a casual, so zero :(

>>8225950
>I find that most of the things people get stuck on in games, isn't even necessarily since they're particularly bad but simply because they're not approaching the segment of the level, enemy, or boss the right way.
I came to this realization with tiny toons adventures on nes. I never could get past the elevator to get to Montana Mac as a child, then on a whim when I was in college watched a video of someone do it, and then the same afternoon beat the game. I felt like I had sort of cheated, so I don't really do it anymore.

>>8219279
Expert Mode in Bloodlines doesn't make such a big difference

and I don't like it

Simon Belmont of the Belmont Clan!

>>8217837
Congrats OP