/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8179767

>>8179767
Replay value my dude. It's that simple. Why did arcades die out?

>>8179767
>playing nights for score
This game is a Nightopian breeding sim.

>>8179767
They didn't die. More like degraded into mobile games.
I wish Nintendo did more of those simple short games like Pyoro and Paper Plane, I played that a lot. By the way, WarioWare is about score attacking too.

>>8179783
You think arcade games have no replay value? I guess you've never really seriously attempted scoring any arcade games before, then.

>>8179887
To be fair, neither has he.

>>8179887
How can a man look like a dishonest fraud so much and actually be one.

>>8179915
to silly bitchell such endeavors are child's play

>>8179767
Nights isn't a good score attack game unlike Crazy Taxi.

>>8179767
Because making a game purely around building score is needlessly limiting, unless it's a minigame inside a larger game or something. It's unsurprising that it basically died out in the 80s with shit like the C64, NES, and Master System letting you do oh so much more for a videogame than some tiny 2600 venture.

Besides, what are you gonna do that's better than Tetris, Columns, or Pac-Man?

>>8179887
>>8179783
Arcade games developed well past just being simple score attack games, you had all kinds of sidescrolling adventures, two player fighting games, racers, etc, etc.

>>8179802
>More like degraded into mobile games.
I forgot about mobile trash, so I guess it's not quite dead.

>WarioWare is about score attacking too.
That's like a whole collection of different minigames though, and it has story.

>>8179948
Yuji Naka is a hack and killed Sega. Why the fuck didn't he just make a 2.5D Sonic 4 first and then his flying faggot jester bullshit game later on.

>>8179767
Business nigs don't want you to buy one game and be re-playing it all the time (unless it's microtransactions filled). They usually want you to buy one game, finish it and buy another one.

Nights is the gayest fucking shit I’ve ever seen and I don’t know why people try to prop it up as an underrated classic

Bomberman still keeps the score attack genre alive. Tho more people are interested in multiplayer bomb matches than getting a +2 million high score

>>8179767
Because every modern game with a leaderboard is just gonna have the top ranks consist of faggots who are clearly hacking, so why bother competing.

>>8179783
>Why did arcades die out?
because arcade industry tried to continue operating like the gambling industry and failed because consumer electronics hardware became so advanced and cheap that the arcade industry could no longer compete, nor could they continue to fund expensive custom designed arcade boards. turns out trying to jew more coins out of players using the same tricks in the gambling industry had severe consequences. late 1990s/early 2000s the arcade industry's customers were shutting down unprofitable arcades at rapid rates.

>>8179887
> posts a picture of a man that couldn't beat arcades and had to cheat to get records
this board is a complete fucking embarrassment. looking forward to when someone blows that faggot's head off with a shotgun. he deserves no less for his jewish ways.

>>8179767
I enjoyed my time with Devil Daggers (even though it's not exactly a score attack game). But you are right, games like these aren't really being made anymore.

>>8181438
I thought people just played bomberman for multiplayer. There are people scoring it?

>>8181468
His Pacman killscreen runs are legit at least.

It definitely still exists - there are plenty of new shmups and arcade inspired indie games coming out all the time made by the sorts of nerds who themselves love the best score attack games of the past. But I think as home gaming started getting more ubiquitous and technology started allowing for better graphics and sound and game design complexity, people just wanted bigger and more varied experiences. They valued games that told stories and had a sense of going on a journey like RPGs or action/adventure games, or simulated complex systems like strategy games, or just games that can last much longer than a session at an arcade cabinet and offer constant novelty as you make your way through it. In the face of something like Mega Man or SMB3 or Final Fantasy, a score attack game based around running the same stuff over and over to get good at it for its own sake just seems antiquated to a lot of people. Also, in the long period between the decline of the arcade and before online leaderboards, who are you going to be competing in NiGHTS against besides yourself?

>>8179767
Because it's my house and my games haven't been played at an arcade for like 10 years even at that time. Who am I competing with, the cat?

>>8181564
Yeah, there's people that score it. People who are good at it chain enemies and bombs together and get 10,000 or more points from a single blast. There's a certain skill to it like all arcade score based games, and that's ultimately what the single player is for the 2D games. Also Saturn Bomberman has the master mode which is basically nothing but score attack, where the objective is to chain as many enemies together as possible to get the highest score.

we live in a world with endless amounts of on demand entertainment all within your pocket. These days it's a hard sell to convince someone to play a game through more than once, fuck, most people don't finish games at all

There's just too much stuff to consume and no one has the attention span to spend all of their time on one piece of media

>>8179767
They didn't, but you wouldn't have a shitposting thread if they did.

>>8182135
Intredasting, thanks. Shame that the newest Bomberman is coomerbait for weebcels.

>>8180478
>That's like a whole collection of different minigames though, and it has story.

Each microgame requires you to get a certain score to get crown/flower thing and unlock some extra stuff. Also there's a tower mode where you play endlessly until game over.

>>8182328
Based titties making faggots seethe since their inception.

>>8182717
go actually have sex instead of having to inject your degeneracy and perversions into every aspect of your lives to make up for it.

>>8182725
>he says this on 4channel
You'll never not be any less degenerate than even the faggotest of losers as long as your monkey brain compels itself to stay here. Apply yourself.

score attack games were reborn as the roguelite genre.

>>8179767
Because it's boring and primitive compared to more complex experiences? Why did Pong die out?

>>8179768
Stop being an idiot

>>8179767
Because devs in the 90's and early 00's had no clue how to make good ones.

>>8182757
Post ur best Donkey Kong scores if it's so archaic and simple, Einstein.

>>8182794
Nigga I just said score attack games are boring, what makes you think I play them enough to actually keep track of my scores?

>>8182754
This fuckin blows. What makes score attack interesting to me is getting increasingly closer to perfection by learning levels in and out and figuring out how to squeeze every last drop, and a big part of what makes great arcade games is intelligent, well tuned level design. Having constantly changing levels that all feel the same because they're just the same room pieces locked together in different ways with a thoughtless dusting of enemies is so much less interesting to learn. It's even fucking worse when there's metaprogression, and so there's no way you can possibly be expected to win on your first few attempts because you need to unlock the upgrades to put you at an actually viable baseline.

>>8182754
but arcade games are fun to learn and roguelites are unplayable shit

>>8182328
Super Bomberman R and Super Bomberman R Online aren't coombait.

>>8179887
silly bitchell, the sperg to end all spergs

>>8183035
bombergirl is newer than R. R online is the newest though if you count it seperately from R

>>8181431
Saturn cultists live in this deranged alternate reality where NiGHTS somehow beat Super Mario 64 in the 3D arena back in 1996 and pretend its this god tier game for some reason. Its just a ripoff of Wiz'n Liz because Naka never have a creative bone in his body. His arrogance is also what doomed the Saturn to complete obscurity by denying it a 3D sonic. Say what you will about Xtreme but having a brand name sell during the holidays would have helped the Saturn out a bit

>>8183041
Bombergirl is also one of the highest-grossing arcade games in Japan right now. It's STUPIDLY popular over there.

>>8183753
>Its just a ripoff of Wiz'n Liz
this looks like the most generic ameeger scotformer ever made. what is the nights connection

>>8184363
It's a time-attack + score-chasing sidescroller with each level wrapping around for you to find all the collectibles in within the given time limit.

>>8184379

Nights is seriously not a good game and calling it an arcade game and trying to get all pretentious about it is an insult to arcade games.
Nights is every bit the pre cursor to balan. It is totally poorly thought out
Naka is a total hack who got lucky with sonic 1

>>8184401
No scrolling, doesn't count. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Pac-man doesn't have time limits, either.

>>8184410
>Nights is seriously not a good game
Maybe it's not for you, but as a score attack game there aren't any obvious flaws. It's fast paced, involves flying and acrobatics, and has lots of techniques to increase your score, I don't see how that could fail to appeal to anybody.
>and calling it an arcade game and trying to get all pretentious about it is an insult to arcade games.
You know, the only people I see act as though the game is a pretentious artsy-fartsy game are people like you looking down on it. Nobody I know that actually likes the game holds it up as some pinnacle achievement or some work of art. It's just a fun game. I have no idea where this perception comes from that you are "too good" to play a game that a bunch of fart sniffing art snobs play.

>>8184486
>you just don't like score attack
This is always the defense nightsfanboys use and it's never true
>we're not srt snobs..
Never implied this but hey...me think doth protest too much.

Nights is fundamentally poorly thought on on every level. Completely unsatisfying to play.

>>8184486
>involves flying and acrobatics,
That's the part that's shitty about it. Run 'n jump gameplay is infinitely more fun than flying about like some peter pan-wannabe faggot.
Sega should've shitcanned NiGHTS and forced Naka to develop Sonic 4 on the engine instead, would have not only been a better game but also might have even saved the Shiturn.

>>8184498
I didn't say you don't like score attack, just that the game concept itself (flying and acrobatics) might not appeal to you. If you like flying and acrobatics, I fail to see how fast paced flying could not be fun.

>never implied this
Speaking about "nights fanboys" as though the game actually has a sizeable fandom to begin with and calling them pretentious is that implication.

>fundamentally poorly thought on on every level.
Why?

>>8184509
So it is true you just don't like it then. Okay. You don't have to. There are lots of games I don't like.

>>8184517
>Is that implication.
Nope. And I refuse to move past this point for as long as you put words in my mouth

>>8184534
Okay.

>>8184517
I like flying and acrobatics and speed and I don't like nights. Game feels pointless. Character and themes are unappealing. Music sucks. Moving around is not fun.
game has a lot of issues but hippy assholes keep praising it with unsubstantiated claims

>>8184543
What do you mean okay? Why can't you admit you were wrong?

>>8184551
I tried to have a conversation with you. Clarified myself, gave you the opportunity to clarify yourself, explained why I thought you said what you said, and asked why you don't think the game is thought out well. You didn't want to respond further so I said okay. I thought we were done here.

>>8184565
We're clearly not you're just being really stubborn and taking it personally.

>>8184568
Reread my posts and your posts. I've written more than you, and haven't dismissed you. I'm trying to engage you in a conversation. You're the one that said "you're done" and that you're moving on, you haven't answered my questions or attempted to clarify what you meant even when I was charitable and explained why I thought what I thought earlier.

Now I'm afraid I really do have to go to work though, so I probably won't be able to respond any further.

>>8179768
fpbp. FF7 killed real videogames.

>>8181462
how was it akin to gambling? most arcade games relied on skill until the redemption games came.

>>8179767
it's unsatisfying.

>>8179767
People who liked score attacks retreated back to pinball or got into touhou

>>8179767
Because scoring is boring.

Speedrunning is where the real fun's at.

>>8187913
speedrunning is literally one dimensional and low skill. generally you try to skip as much of the game as possible or let yourself get hit a ton as long as you're fast
scoring can be multidimensional (lives bonus, enemies killed bonus, items collected bonus) and you're rewarded for playing more of the game

>>8187936
>low skill
Why don't you demonstrate it to us by setting some records?

>generally you try to skip as much of the game as possible
Depends on the category.

>or let yourself get hit a ton as long as you're fast
Depends on the game, category, and isn't necessarily intuitive. Getting enemies to speedboost you can be annoying as fuck in some games.

>>8187936
>>8187913
they are both boring ways to play games

>>8188003
t. has never tried time trialing any racing games

>>8184509
>might have even saved the Shiturn
Sonic wasn't particularly popular in Japan, so it would only save the Saturn in European countries.
You must be the guy who said canning X-treme was a good idea.

>>8188125
Sega only ever mattered in the west. Trading their dominance in those countries for a paltry 6 million Saturns sold in Japan was full retard.