/vr/ - Retro Games

Another bait thread to gather the anti-Nintendo trannies?

>>8169335
*mogs the Snezz*

Why is an old snes so much more expensive than other pre 5th gen consoles

>>8169393
Because it's the best console, duh.

>>8169335
Greatest 8bit system with a budget 16bit ricoh. And boy i do love me some underwater farting. Just kidding. Snes was actually shit. Just kidding.... GREATEST CONSOLE OF ALL TIME BRO.

>>8169335
But PAL please, this one is butt ugly.

>>8169335
FUCK YOU* OP YOU AIN"T KNOW SHIT FROM SHITTTTT

>>8169335
Turrican on Amiga is better than Super Metroid. Yes, Amiga is a better system than SNES for gods sake.

>>8169771
They look exactly the same.

block's your path

>>8169828
Yeah, blocks it with ugliness alright

>>8169335
Hail to the king, baby! This is when gaming peaked and games weren't concerned with bullshit like realism or edginess. 5th gen on can choke on a fucking polygon.

you were saying?

>>8169823
I guess if you're missing both eyes, sure.

>Dazzling 3-D Graphics

>>8169350
I bet you give good handjobs

>>8169828
hey good looking, hubba hubba

>>8169335
NES is better.

>>8170269
>doesn't have a DS2
Wew.

‘Nuff said.

>>8169828
What does some DVD player have to do with any of this?

>>8170282
it does what nintenDONT

>>8170280
I'm not sure if that still boots the game

>>8170269
>He fell for the PVMeme

>>8170390
Can't beat professional equipment. My Sony broadcast monitors are ahead of any old TV.

>>8170390
ive got 7, plus a bunch of jvc tm's, nothin personell homosexual :P

>Low resolution
>Muffled audio
>Limited sprites capabilities
>Washed out colours
>Plagued with slowdowns, shit AI, terrible physics, thanks to the slow CPU, running at 1/3rd the speed compared to ALL it's competitors
It's not even the best 16-bit console. It's not even good.

>>8170406
>shit AI, terrible physics
Could not be reaching any harder if you tried.

Literally the worst console of its generation.

PC Engine was the clear winner. For all the arguing over SNES vs Mega Drive audio, PCE had CD quality in '88. The SNES was last to market and the advantages of its extra chip carts are largely overblown.

Mega Drive was next, having a host of solid arcade ports and high quality games. And in a distant third, there was SNES. Games? Uh, I guess you can play Super Metroid for the 50th time. Essentially every other first party title was so braindead easy you could beat them in your sleep.

>>8170476
>PC Engine was the clear winner
We have officially reached peak contrarianism.

>>8169335
>teleports behind you
Heh.. Nothing personal
>unsheaths katana
Dkc is pritty gud

>>8170406
The Ricoh 5A22 fucking sucks. Ninty should have went with an m68k instead. Stingy idiots.

>>8170521
Quite ironic is that, the 68000 was a much cheaper design by the time the SNES was being developed. Nintendo chose a more expensive, more obscure design, in an attempt to curtail hardware piracy, and it ended up hamstringing the entire console. A shame, as it might have been a decent console had the CPU been better.

>>8170482
lol that ad
99% of sega games are garbage so that's not saying much

>>8169828
Fpbp

>>8170593
Cope nintenfag.

All snes had going for it was sf2. The moment that exclusive time limit was over the Mega Drive got a better port of the game.

Mega Drive has
sonic 1 2 3 and knuckles
Streets of rage 1 2 3
Alisa dragoon
Golden axe 1 2 3
Super street fighter 2
Mortal kombat 1 2 3 and U
Alien soldier
Gunstar heroes
Revenge of shinobi
Shinobi 3
Sparkster rocket knight adventures
Thunder force 4
Altered beast
Tmnt hyperstone heist
Dynamite heady

The list literally goes on!

The snes had downgraded and censored games like Capt commando or games with huge ass boarders at the top/bottom of screen like what undercover cops had.

The snes was garbage

>>8170624
i've played at least half of those and didn't like any of them
sonic is ok i guess, that's about it

>>8170624
>generic action games
Yawn

>>8170624
>Tmnt hyperstone heist
Cheap bootleg of TMNT IV.

>>8169335
It's good but I'm just not that into RPGs.

>>8170640
The Jarpig rears its ugly head

>>8170765
I don't like those either. I don't like jarpigs or the paint by numbers 2d action scrollers

>>8170643
Which one?
The arcade one which has never been ported you mean?

Or do u mean the censored watered down snes version which runs slower, has boarders and that can be beaten by an autistic 6 year old?

Literally ALL you need to do to compete that game is jump kick

>>8170640
Your wanting me to list everything like outrun, shining force, gain ground etc etc?

Wow you like playing chrono trigger....fantastic....

>>8170894
SNES TMNT IV is obviously superior to the arcade and Hyperstone Heist is just boring. Constantly pausing the screen scroll to fight the same enemies over and over. That is how beat em ups generally work but that one in particular is just snooze inducing with its pacing. I didn't know it was possible to pad out a beat em up but it certainly is.

>>8170910
I don't like chrono trigger

>>8170913
Snes version superior.....do Nintendo fags really....

Anon your a low iq nigger right???

You HONESTLY think a slower, watered down and censored version of the arcade game WITH boarders at the top and bottom of the screen is superior?

Jesus fucking hitler christ! Nigger you coping HARD

>>8170932
TMNT IV on SNES plays better and has more content. It isn't slower or censored too.

"what does a bird see when it looks at my screen? Does it realize im playing TMNT 4 on the genesis? Can it even comprehend what it means to have that many bits? no..."

-shigeru terry davis miyamoto

>>8170942
Game runs slower than arcade or MD version. This has been known since the game was released.

Ok its confirmed. Your clearly black.

>>8170192
Post side by side

>>8170932
Maybe try both games before automatically thinking the Arcade game is better.
Next thing you'll claim is that Contra the arcade game is superior to the NES game.

>>8171010
There is no MD version of TMNT IV you assburger eating bundle of sticks.

>>8171636
and that's a good thing

>>8169823
is this a troll?

>>8169771
I prefer the pal version.
The consoles themselves are okay for both US NTSC, and EU PAL, but the controllers are clearly better looking for the european version. That color scheme dkr the buttons is literally what is used for the SNES era games symbols in any modern nintendo store for a reason.

>>8169823
Definitely not, and the PAL looks better.

>>8170482
Oh geeze, how fucking torpidly degenerating almost all of the sega games were in comparison, though. Out of all the games it had, maybe 15 were great, and another ten were good, while SNES had hundreds of good games.

When micromachines ends up being (consistently) in the top 50 lists of sega games, you know something is up.

>>8171709
>>8171707
So fucking post it

>>8170624
Most of these games are pretty run if the mill though, and while controls were often smoother on the sega ports, the graphics and sound were usually dodo levels at worst or meh at best. What are you talking about.

>>8171723
Post what?

>>8171730
I thought so.

What 16 bit console should I explore if I like western rpgs

>>8171772
WRPGs on consoles are like side scrollers on PCs back in the early 90s. You really don't want to.

>>8171784
Bullshit.
And the pc has got good sides rollers

>>8169823
Do you put a square peg in a round hole?
That said, what the console physically looks like is pretty irrelevant. I'm glad I grew up playing SNES games at the correct speed even if the thing was an ugly box.

>>8171720
>top 50 lists of sega games
I CHALLENGE I say I challenge your SNES top 50 sir! Now.. *tugs on suspenders* I am a generous man. I'll give you 24hrs to come up with that list of yours as I'm sure you would want to make sure it's a good one.. but I would WAGER *flicks hat up while putting one boot on a chair* that my beloved Genesis comes out on top! Time is ticking son... you might want to start working ;^)

>>8171818
I don't give a fuck. That US design is trash.

>>8171824
This here is me son. Respond to my challenge request or I will make an individual thread about you cowardice boy.

>>8170346
no, the power base converter doesnt work on top of a 32x or anything but the base model genesis and its for playing master system games to begin with

>>8172051
Thanks I know about the Power Base Converter. I just never stacked that much stuff on top of each other.

>Here's your AI enhanced childhood game. That'll be another $60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbzScOzIX34

>>8169393
because the old ones literally kill themselves with age. I can't count how many I've bought off ebay and all of them have dead CPUs. A working one is literally a miracle of God

>>8170549
Thats not true. Early super famicom designs featured various motorola CPUs. They didnt get green light because they were too expensive.

>>8172151
I still have my first SNES purchased in 1991 and it works. What are people doing with their systems? Throw them into swamps?

>>8172192
So now you're calling me a fake fan for wanting to buy a snes?

>>8172192
sometimes they do I suppose, but the CPUs dying is a notorious issue for early SNES systems. There's 3 revisions of the CPU because they failed so fucking badly. They didn't start to become reliable until the one chip systems, and they tend to be ludicrously expensive

>>8172209
What's the problem exactly? Bad mounting/soldering or internal failure due to heating or material degradation?

>>8172228
Believed a packaging issue on early production CPU-As. You don't really have to worry unless it's an SHVC board with the separate sound module.

>>8172237
So there's no preventative maintenance ?

>>8172209
>They didn't start to become reliable until the one chip systems
Nah GPMs are mostly ok. A few early ones might still have the dud CPUs in them.

>>8170624
>All snes had going for it was sf2. The moment that exclusive time limit was over the Mega Drive got a better port of the game.
fair
naming sequels is just fag posturing so lets go off the game franchises
>sonic 1 2 3 and knuckles
sonic vs mario argument is ancient but the games are so vastly different it comes down to preference
>Streets of rage 1 2 3
final fight > then streets of rage
>Golden axe 1 2 3
mediocre play arcade version
>Super street fighter 2
i agree
>Mortal kombat 1 2 3 and U
genesis version has blood so thats an up on snes but if we wanna use fag posturing 2 and 3 on snes had the blood added back in, with better sound design and graphics
>Tmnt hyperstone heist
turtles in time definitively better.

this can all be chocked up to genesis bias which is fine but dont act like snes didnt have good games.
snes blew genesis out of the water for RPG selection.
SMRPG, FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc.
and as much as they aren't my thing you can't really argue with the success of things like super metroid or super c.
just say you're a genesis lad bro

>>8170624
>Tmnt hyperstone heist
>better than SNES Turtles in time
It's literally the same assets rearranged into a "different" game

>>8172362
>snes blew genesis out of the water for RPG selection.
The Mega Drive, Mega CD, and PC Engine CD had a vastly better selection of RPGs. The Amiga had a vastly better selection of WRPGs and adventure games. Phantasy Star IV and Shining Force II (Mega Drive), Lunar and Snatcher (Mega CD), Anearth Fantasy Stories and Legend of Xanadu (PC Engine), Ambermoon and Settlers (Amiga), just to name a few, all leagues above those SNES offerings. This meme that the SNES "was the RPG machine" needs to die.
>and as much as they aren't my thing you can't really argue with the success of things like super metroid or super c.
They are rife with slowdowns, lacking any sense of action, and overall just very dopey and plodding games by comparison to what we were getting on better platforms. Tired of pretending that Super Metroid or Contra 3 were any good.

>>8172391
>every game has to be blisteringly fast pace or it sucks
Just fuck off man your games all play the same

>>8172256
*kills your nostalgia in your path*

so which snes will fail and how do I prevent that

>>8172605
one chip machines are the most reliable, good luck finding one at a reasonable price. Don't listen to retards here who tell you to just clean everything and it'll magically work

>>8172609
I'm not buying a new snes. I have a working old one and want to save it.
I think it's an early snes not sure though . It has less patent numbers on it than other models I see

the ppu on my snes failed...
now what do I do man

>>8172605
If you don't have an SHVC you should be fine.

>>8169335
Nah, there's good reasons folx stopped playing it the first time around. Everything lags, and it's no fun needing to make sure the screen has scrolled far enough for stuff I'm currently interacting with to exist.

Doesn't even have a good light gun. Need to set it on my shoulder and push a button with my thumb? wtf is that?

>>8169393
It has good exclusive games with depth instead of inferior ports of arcade games. People today can just play the actual arcade games on any of their computers, including the ones in their pockets.

>>8172619
sell it on ebay for parts

>>8172630
How do I know if I do

>>8172652
I think the SHVC models had a molded serial number on the bottom instead of a paper sticker. Those account for about 90% of SNES failures.

>>8172391
>They are rife with slowdowns, lacking any sense of action, and overall just very dopey and plodding games
notice how i said you can't argue with the success of those games
they can be as dogshit as you want but they were console sellers, the majority of people had to see something good in them
you being a contrarian to the majority doesn't mean anything

>>8169771
>>8171707
>>8171709
>He prefers the worst regional variant of the SNES that plays games in 50 hz and is missing stuff like Final Fantasy and Earthbound

Do yuros really?

>>8172391
cringe sneshating tranny, go back to discord

>>8170406
Your excuses are pathetic. You can make the same points with any 16-bit console.

>>8170624
I've played nearly all of those games mentioned. The only ones that are worthwhile (out of your entire list) are:
>Sonic 2
>Alien Soldier
>Gunstar Heroes
>SOR 2 and 3
>Sparkster
>Thunder Force 4

The rest are honest to god garbage. Why do Genesis fans deceive themselves?

>>8171824
I'm not the anon in question, but I'll have an attempt:
>Super Ghoul's 'n' Ghosts
>Super Mario World
>SMW 2: Yoshi's Island
>UN Squadron
>Axelay
>Super Metroid
>Biometal
>Space Megaforce
>Secret of Mana
>Seiken Densetsu 3
>Legend of the mystical ninja
>FF4
>FF5
>FF6
>Chrono Trigger
>Bahamut Lagoon
>BOFII
>DQ series
>Hagane
>Contra 3
>ALTTP
>DKC1
>DKC2
>Star Wing
>Terranigma
>Super Star Wars
>Super Star Wars 2
>Umihara Kawase
>Parodious (series)
>Skyblazer
>ActRaiser
>ActRaiser 2
>F Zero
>TMNT 4
>Alcahest
>Pocky and rocky
>Street Fighter 2
>Super Castlevania 4
>SMT
>Illusion of Time/Gaia
>Secret of Evermore
>Earthbound
>Killer Instinct
>Demon's Crest
>Harvest Moon
>Super Mario RPG
>Magical Pop'n
>Rainbow Bell adventures
>Megaman x
>The Firemen
>MM X2
>Star Ocean

That was easier than I expected. You Segatards are delusional. However, I still quite like the Megadrive/Genesis.

>>8172998
Ma'am you can't drink in here

>>8170624
Where's Garfield Caught in the Act and The Ooze, both exclusives that aren't on the SNES?

>>8172941
The SNES can only output 256x224, it is technically capable of higher resolutions, but they are nearly useless, due to constraining the console to a pathetic 16 simultaneous colours. The Mega Drive can easily output 320x224, or even up to 320x448i, without any limitation to colour. The PC Engine can easily output 512x224, without any limitation to colour.
The SNES maximum sample frequency is a muffled 32 khz, and even lower with more channels in use. The Mega Drive maximum and typical sample frequency is 52 khz. The PC Engine maximum and typical sample frequency is 111 khz.
The SNES only has 16 kbs sprite VRAM. It can only display 2 simultaneous sprite sizes, requiring larger objects to be made of more smaller sprites, putting more work on an already extremely overburdened CPU. The Mega Drive and PC Engine both can use all 64 kbs VRAM for sprites, and have no limitations to simultaneous sprite sizes.
The CPU, as previously mentioned, runs at 2.68 mhz on the SNES. The Mega Drive and PC Engine are both 3 times faster, running at 7.6 mhz.
Need I continue? "The same points" certainly can not "be made with any 16-bit console", it is the SNES and exclusively the SNES that suffers these numerous, debilitating, game-circumcising deficiencies.

>>8172998
decent, just remove the jarpigs

>>8173013
No matter how hard you seethe the SNES will always be the best, Australia.

I've never played a pre 5th gen game in my life and I have no clue where to start because all the genres are so different than what I'm used to

>>8173020
I'm from Australia. I've accepted the truth.

>>8173021
I'm just going to get here before someone starts recommending ZX Spectrum games. Seriously let's not.

>>8173013
Except Parodius Da on the SNES shits the NES tier PCE port, you'd know this if you weren't just a discord tranny overthinking theoretical jackshit

>>8173027
Incorrect, the SNES version is crippled with slowdowns, to the point of being unplayable, compared to the much smoother, more performant PC Engine version. Same goes for Gradius 3 on the SNES, which slows to a crawl every time you fire your weapon, whereas the PC Engine ports of Gradius and Gradius 2 are smooth.

>>8173035
>the SNES version is crippled with slowdowns
source: my ass
PCE port has garbage flickering, lower resolution, annoying vertical scrolling, lower bullet count, lower detail, lower color count and also has slowdowns.
>Gradius 3
Launch title that's not comparable to later konami releases, not to mention Gradius PCE has terrible slowdowns too while being a worse looking game.
Hating on the SNES is just the teenage rebellion phase of retro-graming, you'll get over it.

>>8170476
Fucking Johnny Turbo over here. It’s a 30 year old toy. You don’t need to defend its honor.

>>8173045
>lower resolution
The PC Engine is not capable of lower resolution than the SNES. It's lowest resolution is 256x224, the same as the SNES typical resolution.
>lower color count
The PC Engine is capable of 482 simultaneous colours, nearly double that of the maximum of the SNES, which is 256.
>source: my ass
Look who's talking.

>>8173056
>The PC Engine is not capable of lower resolution than the SNES.
Play the games in discussion you fucking retard, the PC Engine needed huge black bars and vertical scrolling to make those games playable you stupid piece of shit.
>The PC Engine is capable of 482 simultaneous colours
Theoretical jackshit that has nothing to do with the actual games, go back to discord tranny.

>>8173056
Yeah well I can't exactly buy a pc engine can I? Absurdly expensive console and games
So it's out of the running
Want your console to be considered? Make scalpers lower prices

I personally like the Mega Drive's aesthetic more and it has some great exclusives like The Ooze, and they're bulletproof compared to the poor SNES and its self-destructing CPU. the library is definitely smaller and the Japanese library especially lean. The SNES has a comparatively huge library, a couple hundred more games than the NES even, but the downside is a lot of its best stuff never got out of Japan. As far as the Western library goes, it's about equal to the Mega Drive's with the usual over-emphasis on sports and licensed platformers.

>>8173068
There is simply no point to trying to reason with nintendrones. The PC Engine ports of Gradius and Parodius are so obviously, immediately better than what the SNES was capable of.
https://youtu.be/V57qBZt946A?t=682
https://youtu.be/u381OCQb7y4?t=346
>whinging about vertical scrolling
The obvious staple and gimmick of the series, which is also present on the SNES versions?
>NES tier PCE port
What a fucking joke.

is this another thread where we pretend the SNES's Japanese library wasn't full of awful shovelware?

>>8173098
Do you even play video games? Or do you just live to shitpost?

>>8173098
>The PC Engine ports of Gradius and Parodius are so obviously, immediately better
For a mentally ill tranny like you sure.
Again, Parodius Da is inferior in every way, gameplay, graphics, and sound-wise as proved here >>8173045
Gradius II PCE still has flickering and slowdowns, it's about on par with Gradius III SFC, which is a joke considering it's a late PCE game and you need CD attachment and extra hardware to run it.
>The obvious staple and gimmick of the series
In vertical stages, PCE is underpowered shit that needs vertical scrolling for horizontal stages lol what a retard

>>8173128
>Gradius II PCE still has flickering and slowdowns, it's about on par with Gradius III SFC
Lord, I wish I could live in this blissful state of ignorance. Please timestamp said "slowdowns".
>as proved here
>it's a post consisting of bullshit that was debunked in >>8173056
>tranny
>australian
>contrarian
>cringe
Trite non-arguments by desperate nintendrones that do nothing to counter the obvious and objective truth: the SNES, despite being 2 years newer than the Mega Drive, 3 years newer than the PC Engine, and nearly 5 years newer than the Amiga, was technically deficient by comparison to ALL of them.

>>8173141
>amiga
Australia... it's time to give up.

>>8173160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcS-Br95r4
Quite funny that the Amiga, despite being almost 5 years older than the SNES, could easily do 3D games, a feat which the SNES required a cheating and expensive expansion chip to accomplish at a comparable framerate. This is thanks to the Amiga's 3 TIMES faster CPU.

>>8173056
>The PC Engine is capable of 482 simultaneous colours
then why are snes games more colourful?

The actual speed difference between the SNES and Mega Drive (and Amiga) may be smaller than commonly assumed since the 68000 had really long execution times for instructions.

>>8173170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbdVBZQl1vU
They aren't.

>>8173141
>Please timestamp said "slowdowns".
As you wish tranny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkquuFtE1aQ
7:23 12:00 16:50 19:45 25:00 27:02 29:28 29:55
Pretty much same as Gradius III, some big bosses, long-arm style sprites and busy parts. Except Gradius III was 2 years older, a launch title, looked better and didn't need extra hardware shit lmao.
>Trite non-arguments
I already destroyed your ass with arguments, so why not have fun with the disabled discord tranny stuck in teenage rebellion phase as well :^)

>>8173013
>The SNES had lower sample frequency
The SNES also had more than one sample channel. This is a perfectly fine frequency for the era and the sampled music allows for much more genre diversity

>>8173175
Alright that's a very impressive looking game, why didn't most TGFX16 games look like that then? I mean fuck the SNES didn't have no Bonk's Revenge lol

>>8173178
>7:23 12:00 16:50 19:45 25:00 27:02 29:28 29:55
>small, non-consequential segments of the game that happen to suffer from occasional slowdowns
>being compared to Gradius III on SNES which literally slows down to a crippling halt every time you fire your weapon
This is a waste of my time. Delusion this deep-seeded cannot be reasoned with.
>I already destroyed your ass with arguments
I was the one providing technical specifications to demonstrate my point. You were the one seething and countering with "nuh uh!!" and shouting "TRANNY!!"

>>8173175
>>8173186
I'd also like to add that even though the TGFX16 theoretically could have more colours on screen, there was a limitation on what those colours could be. Generally SNES games could be prettier because artists had 32,768 colours to choose from

>>8173167
Quite funny that the Amiga doesn't have a single good game released for it.

>>8173190
Gradius III's slowdowns isn't much worse than those spots actually, you are just a biased tranny, that's all.
>I was the one providing technical specifications to demonstrate my point.
No, you were just coping with theoretical jackshit and cherrypicking SFC launch titles, because when doing a fair comparison like Parodius Da! the SFC completely shits on the PC Engine. What a sad tranny.

>>8173198
>cherrypicking SFC launch titles
Incorrect, the Parodius games suffer the same poor performance: https://youtu.be/FCKBZg84XwE?t=324
>TRANNY!! TRANNY!! TRANNIES!! AUSTRALIANS!!
You're so angry, this is quite amusing.

>>8173220
>still deflecting on Parodius Da! SFC/PCE comparison
Quite amusing indeed, tranny.

>>8173224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bOjMekDCY
If you keep shouting "TRANNY!!" and foaming at the mouth, maybe your shit SNES will magically grow a better CPU and be capable of decent games.

>>8173229
Parodius Da! on the SFC runs better than the arcade in fact, you'd know that if you played instead of wanking over glorified NES on life-support.

>>8173229
>>8173220
>>8173198
>>8173178
>>8173141
>>8173128
>>8173098
Why does ever turbofaggot only have shmups to talk about? Nobody likes or cares about this genre

>>8173247
Maybe we will talk about inferior genres another time, anon.

>>8173247
>Nobody likes or cares about shmups anyway!!
>SNES thread
Sour grapes much?

>>8173274
>can't do thing well
>deflect with "it doesn't matter anyway!"
God, imagine being a Nintendon't fan

>>8173276
SFC has some good shmups though, austranny is just too busy wanking over a NES on liife-support instead of playing shmups.

>>8173274
>sour grapes
I'm a zoomer who grew up playing an Xbox, why would I give a fuck about your console wars from 30 years ago. There is not a single shmup game that has sold more than a million copies. Super Mario world is a good game. Cope and seethe

>>8173284
Never seen so many lies in one post

>>8173289
What exactly is a lie there? Look I'll say that Graze Counter is a very good shmup

not that zoomer but I don't see the appeal of shmups at all. They all play the same with very little innovation. It's a very stagnant genre and it shows because it basically died due to lack of new ideas.
The slight differences that shmup fans say are there and you understand more if you play more shmups are not different enough to warrant playing more than one shmuo

>>8173284
>There is not a single shmup game that has sold more than a million copies.
Space invaders sold 6m for the 2600, cope.
Mario is alright but still an inferior genre.

>>8170624

Most of them are inferior arcade ports, mediocre at best shooters, token Sonic game or just plain shit. How any of those are better than the tons of game the SNES had?

>>8173304
space invaders isnt a shmup

>>8169335
I need to wash my shoes and pants because there is way to much shit to wade through in this thread.

>>8173310
yes it is dumbass, it started the genre

>>8173316
Not allowed to criticize Nintendies or they throw fits like this

>>8173318
Sorry gen x/millennial retard a shmup is shit like dakikamura or whatever the fuck on dreamcast, and thunder force. Incomparable with space invaders

>>8173321
those are just type of shmups you stupid fuck, all danmaku experts agree that space invaders was the first shmup, establishing the basics of the genre that were later expanded upon

>>8173320
You need to play games first in order to criticize them, austranny.

>>8173340
>all danmaku experts agree that space invaders was the first shmup
>danmaku experts
Did you go to your local pride parade to gather this information?

>>8173350
Nintendon't will never have a real console

>>8173340
Space invaders is more like a bloons tower defence than thunder force. Also idk what a danmaku is

>>8173352
that's the speedrun community, japanese shmup players are mostly men at their 40s

>>8173360
I don't have any systems with shmups :/ they seem fun

>>8173358
Space invaders is a fixed shooter, a type of shoot 'em up. Thunder force is a horizontal scrolling shooter, a type of shoot 'em up. There, easy right pal?

ain't all those dead SNES CPUs from Super Systems which had no voltage regulator?

>>8174356
Yes.
http://www.projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm

>>8169393
Because it's a Nintendo.

Seriously though, it's from a well known company that a lot of people grew up on and still cherish to this day regardless of how ass backwards their ideas and practices are

The scalpers know that and thus charge through the roof

>>8174480
If you mean the astonishing retardation of their legal department, you can't fault the creative guys for that. Shiggy isn't the guy sitting there sending out C&D emails.

>>8172178
Sauce?

>>8174504
I was referring moreso to them being behind the times like still using carts for the N64 when discs were becoming the norm and using garbage data filled mini-dvds for the Gamecube

>>8169828
THE MOST OVERRATED DVD PLAYER OF ALL TIME

>>8169828
only famous for sequels. it was the beginning of the end for video games

>>8169335
>Buy SNES off eBay
>Play it to relive happy memories
>Have to get up to physically turn it off
The fuck is this shit

>>8173021
were you born in 2001, dude?

>>8172756
Based roseposter DESTROYS consolewarring cuck faggot with FACTS and LOGIC

>>8174543
Yes but all the memories of Vice City, FF X, and Battle For Bikini Bottom.

I would never have a mega drive in the house, they are cursed.

>1993
>single parent household friend
>at his messy house playing streets of gays
>all he does is play this one game over and over
>we drift apart
>ten years later I’m walking down his street
>look up at his bedroom
>see a pale humanoid against the glass
>it’s him
>he’s drooling and beckoning me to play
>he breathes on the window and writes AGES
>I rotate and exfiltrate
>five years later
>his house burned down
>dad is dead
>he was never found

>>8174847
Where's the tower?

>>8174847
>>8175174
Also why the fuck are the mouse and keyboard plugged into the USB ports of a power strip? Sure no drawfag is -this- daft about how computers work.

>>8174859
>all the memories of a game that was far and away better on PC, a storyshit pile of trash, and memeshit nobody cared about at the time
8/16 bit consoles are the only good consoles. That's what /vr/ should fucking be and we should kick all these nugamers back to /v/.

>>8175218
>quit having fun in a way I don't approve of

>>8175160
That gave me a chuckle.

>>8175226
>he thinks playing shit games is "fun" just because the industry brainwashed him into thinking he was

>>8170282
>>8174543
Why'd Nintendo cripple itself by never making a DVD player?

>>8175303
muh piracy

>>8175160
Why do people perpetually think that all the people who had a Mega-Drive/Genesis came from broken homes?

I mean it was in my case, but not my cousins'

>>8170461
Compare taking a map turn in Nobunaga's Ambition on Genesis vs SNES if you doubt the AI part.

>>8175436
every single person who I knew growing up that had a genesis was either: a nigger, a poor white, and/or had no dad

>>8175524
i lived in a wealthy area and many people had a genesis basically for killer instinct and / or herzog zwei

>>8171772
There aren't many good ones, I guess the Genesis but that's only because of the genesis Shadowrun game that I quite like. Light Crusader and Beyond Oasis are both quite good but they're like, more action-RPG than wRPG

>>8174514
"The chief culprit of the cost was, of course, the all-new graphics and sound processing suite upon which Yamauchi insisted. Designed in anticipation of the coming multimedia boom, it drove up the cost of the system so much that Nintendo was again forced to cut costs elsewhere or scrap it and risk being left behind. The problem was eventually solved by installing a slower CPU - a Motorola-based WDC65816 CPU - instead of the faster 10 Mhz MC68000 that Uemura originally intended. This meant that the new box would not be that much faster than the NES itself, so a math coprocessor (as cheap as Nintendo could cobble together) was thrown in to ease the processing strain a bit."

http://web.archive.org/web/20080505070423/http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=SegaBase+Genesis

They fucked up. They should have went with the m68k. But that would have eaten into nintendos profit margin. Ultimately nintendos contribution to history is the weakest 16bit home console. But who cares about competent hardware when you can make more profit on diehard fanboys alone.

>>8176196
>people had a genesis basically for killer instinct
what the hell are you talking about

>>8176381
it wasn't good or fun but it was popular

>>8176419
killer instinct was never on the genesis, you doofus

I play sega sonesis and I say it do be shit

>>8176431
what was the sf2 ripoff that was

mortal combat?

clay fighters?

somethin' gay anyway

>>8176434
>>8176436
i ploy combat toax on nintrendo63, kthxbye

>>8176379
They have some of their facts wrong, the 65816 is by WDC, not Motorola, further, the 65816 is actually a much newer design than the Motorola 68000, only fully launching in 1985 compared to the 68000 1979, by the time the SNES was in development, 68000's were budget CPUs and a far-cry from the cutting-edge, Nintendo essentially went with the newer and more expensive design because it was more similar to the 6502 seen in the NES, and they incorrectly believed it would be more performant as a result, but in the end, they were spending more money for an inferior product compared to something that had launched years before, an ironic reflection of the disappointing and ultimately quite poor SNES itself.

>>8177653
Although a newer design on paper the 65816 is a much more limiting and backward architecture.

>16-bit registers while 68000 has 32-bit registers
>retarded 64k memory segments
>no h/w multiplier/divider (Nintendo had to bolt one onto the SNES CPU)

>>8169335
>>8169771
The snes is fucking hideous, I highly suggest you buy a Super famicom instead. A passthrough pin adaptor will cost you about 20-30 dollars to play snes games on it. Seems a bit much, but famicom consoles go for significantly less than snes systems do.

>>8174480
The play it loud ad campaign was so bad.

>>8177719
>not owning both NTSC models
it's always funny to see people try to force this "us snes is ugly!" narrative.
Also, ultimately, even if you really think it's ugly, what are you, a woman? Why do you care so much about aesthetic?
But we know the answer. Shitposter-kun needs anything that will give him (You)s, so here's one out of pity!

>>8169828
bitch i got the real ps2

>>8177653
M68k was the cutting edge 16bit cpu. All the high powered arcade boards had one, well up until the mid 90s. It took 32bit cpus by hitachi and arm design to finally end its reign in the arcade.

>>8177694
>>8178034
My intent is not to defend the horrible, shoddy CPU architecture used in the SNES, but merely to point out that, despite the 68000 being much older and much cheaper than the 65816, it was still far superior. The 68000 may have been used in arcades and consoles for a long time thereafter, and certainly it was more than up to the task and able to deliver performant and smooth gameplay unlike the 65816, but, by the late 1980s, neither it nor any other 16-bit architecture could truly be considered "cutting-edge", as real cutting-edge CPUs were not used in video game applications, for the purpose of keeping costs down. Again, this is not to defend Nintendo's shoddy and quite poor architecture, but simply to point out that even budget-model CPUs were racing circles around Nintendo's terrible, underperformant hardware.

>>8178079
Another budget CPU that was running circles around Nintendo's shoddy hardware was the 65C02, as seen in the PC Engine, which, like the SNES 65816, has an 8-bit data bus and 16-bit address bus, but, as with anything else, runs wholly 3 TIMES the speed of the SNES.

i'll never understand the mentality behind people who are still arguing about 2 old as fuck CPUs that are both completely obsolete by 2021 standards.
So, your favorite old CPU is faster than some other old CPU? How does it compare to modern CPUs, then?
In the grand scheme of things, both CPUs are basically the same, completely old and slow compared to what modern hardware can do, so, what's the point? You're basically arguing that your 1.5 inch micro dick is a little bit longer than some other guy's micro dick.
I know the answe though, in the end, none of you care about hardware, you only care about console warring, which is pretty embarrassing.
Also, we also know that in the end, on-paper specs never really mattered and what matters is the talent of the developers themselves, which is great because it means you're purposedly missing on playing many good games because "noooo I won't play on my enemy's platform nooooo". Good, keep away, and keep seething about old CPUs you only know due to reading wikipedia spec articles.

>>8178095
>How does it compare to modern CPUs, then?
Irrelevant because we're talking about the 16-bit era.
>you only care about console warring
Analyzing the objective reason the SNES was so poor by comparison to it's competition in the 16-bit era is not "console warring", especially when there is as damning a fact to back up that claim as the CPU being only 1/3rd the speed by comparison.

>>8178115
>Irrelevant because we're talking about the 16-bit era.
Not irrelevant because in the grand scheme of things, the differences aren't that big. again, you're just arguing that your micro dick is slightly larger than some other micro dick, not particularly impressive.
>Analyzing the objective reason the SNES was so poor by comparison to it's competition in the 16-bit era is not "console warring"
Please.
I repeat, what matters is the developers, not the on-paper specs. Great developers can do great stuff.
If you care so much about CPU power, you should hate old hardware anyway and only care about modern AAA blockbusters. But again, we know the answer, you want to console war, not talk about hardware.

>>8169335
Incorrect

>>8178140
Do you think Man is better than Superman?

>>8178095
jesus christ zoomie why the fuck would you come into a SNES thread KNOWING that the sega/nintendo rivalry from that era is still going in the hearts of boomers

>>8178352
Yes.

>>8178360
In the heart of schizos maybe. Imagine console warring unironically.

>>8178379
imagine being a retarded child trying to talk to a bunch of old people about their nostalgia. Dont you have some tide pods to eat, or hair to perm or whatever the fuck it is you kids do now-a-days

>>8178406
actual adult people don't pretend to know about old hardware by reading wikipedia specs and arguing about which old CPU is "best".
Actual adult people who actually played video games back in the 90s know that both Super Nintendo and Mega Drive are part of the golden age of video games.
>noooo but I will forbid myself from playing a lot of classic 90s games developed by some of the best japanese companies because I have a hateboner for its CPU!
Yeah, you'd be surpised who's the zoomer here. A lot of shit here is zoomers LARPing and carrying over /v/ console wars over to retro era. A lot of their opinions are formed by youtube e-celebs who fuel on the old american marketing "genesis does" for clickbait.

>>8178417
stop crying about what other people are talking about holy fucking shit

>>8178569
>crying
?
Simply pointing out ridiculous behaviors by shitposters. I can call out shitposters all I want as they bring down the quality of the board, especially since they pose as knowledgeable hardware guys when they're just comparing numbers from wikipedia spec lists, nobody is crying.

>>8178723
the only one bringing down the "quality" of this board are retards like you who cry about people talking about video game hardware from 30 years ago in a retro game thread. I cannot understand how you can look in the mirror and not cringe yourself to death.
>I-I'm not c-crying! I-I just don't like what those other p-people said! ;__;

>>8171824
Here you go buddy

1) Gundam Wing Endless Duel
2) Power Rangers Fighting Edition
3) Super Punch-Out!
4) Killer Instinct
5) Rendering Ranger R2
6) Super Aleste (versão Japonesa)
7) Axelay (versão Fast-ROM)
8) Firepower 2000
9) Gokujou Parodius
10) Macross Scrambled Valkyrie
11) Pop’n Twinbee
12) Nigel Mansell’s World Championship
13) Street Racer
14) Tommy Moes Winter Extreme
15) NBA Give’n Go
16) Ken Griffey Jr.’s Winning Run
17) Super Ghouls’n Ghosts Restoration
18) Earthworm Jim 2
19) Nightmare Busters
20) Rockman & Forte
21) Rockman 7 EP (hack de Megaman 7)
22) Super Metroid
23) Super Turrican 2
24) Jurassic Park
25) Battle Clash
26) Front Mission Gun Hazard
27) Wonder Project J
28) Chrono Trigger
29) Star Ocean (sem o mapper SDD-1)
30) Tales of Phantasia
31) Seiken Densetsu 3
32) Dragon View
33) Treasure Hunter G
34) Energy Breaker
35) Tactics Ogre
36) Iron Commando
37) Legend
38) Melfand Stories
39) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV
40) Adventures of Batman & Robin
41) Battletoads in Battlemaniacs
42) Donkey Kong Country (trilogia)
43) New Super Mario Land (versão 1.5)
44) Addams Family Pugsley’s Scavenger
45) Plok!
46) Prehistorik Man
47) Gambare Goemon 3/4
48) Hagane The Final Conflict
49) Kishin Douji Zenki Battle Raiden
50) On The Ball

>>8178126
The higher clock is actually a myth and a marketing strategy SEGA did back at the day. These d consoles are not like home computers at all, in fact they outerperformed them in 2D scrolling. But to put this in an actual technical perspective in fact the Sega Genesis processor takes more clock circles to perform an operation

https://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/AN-001_%20Instruction_Level_Performance_Comparisons.php

https://apple2history.org/museum-a-l/articles/byte8501/

The SNES modes and PPUS are way more advanced with higher color count , transparencies , more layers and HDMA, the Donkey Kong Country compression algorithm could never run on Genesis, the game have tons of frames of animation way more thant anything released up to that point.

>>8172998
>>8180905
Well, you're pretty good, ol' son
But sit down in that chair right there
And let me show you how it's done ;)

Mystic Defender
Flicky
Ecco
Ecco 2 Tides of Time
Splatterhouse 3
Ranger X
Strider
Ghouls 'n' Ghost
Super Hang-On
Wiz n Liz
Dragons Fury
Shadowrun
X-Men 2 Clone Wars
Beyond Oasis
Alisia Dragoon
Herzog Zwei
Aladdin
Castle of Illusion
World of Illusion
Quackshot
Sonic
S2
S3
S&K
Vectorman
Comix Zone
Road Rash 2
Outrun 2019
SoR
SoR2
Thunderforce 3
Lightening Force
Mutant League Football
Wonder Boy in Monster World
Ristar
Dynamite Headdy
Bloodlines
RKA
Contra Hardcorps
Gunstar Heroes
Phantasy Star 2
Phantasy Star IV
Shadow Dancer
RoS
Shinobi 3
Mega Turrican
Shining in the Darkness
Shining Force
Shining Force 2
TJ&Earl

Anons, just come on back if you ever wanna try again
I done told you once you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been :^)

*note* I have only included games I've played myself so if a big hitter isn't listed then I probably never played it. I was on the fence about newer releases(xenocrisis etc) so I left them out as well fyi.

>>8178889
keep comparing numbers from wikipedia spec lists! it will surely make you enjoy video games more. oh wait, you don't play video games, you just console war on the internet.

>>8181081
Interesting list. Very interesting, but wait till you get a look at this. 32 bits, full virtual reality, 3D graphics, plus its portable. I’d like to see what your “blast processing” has on games like

Bound High!
Innsmouth no Yakata
VB Wario Land
Mario Clash
V Tetris
Red Alarm
Teleroboxer
3D Tetris
Vertical Force
Panic Bomber

No need to reply, I already know you’ll be wrong

>>8180964
Mega Drive games could in theory use the whole 16MB CPU address space. SNES games max out at 8MB because the address space is split between LoROM and HiROM.

>>8181286
Goodness me, how could I forget Galactic Pinball and of course, Jack Bros, both highly superior compared to games such as “Sonic the Rat” and “Ecco the Douchebag”. Streets of rage? More like streets of gays. Heh

>>8169335
if you like slow boring JRPGs then sure

>>8181306
I wish bloodlines didn't have the horrible slowdowns it has.
anyway, console wars, dude!

>>8181319
In all fairness bloodlines is leagues ahead of SC4, even if you prefer SNES you know that’s the case

>>8181319
>I wish bloodlines didn't have the horrible slowdowns it has.

t.

>>8180905
You have terrible taste compared to the other anon.

>>8169337
Trannies love Nintendo, retard. They alone could support Nintendo financially with how much they needlessly consoom.

>>8183225
Trannies don't buy games, faggot. They may bitch and complain about them on discord and Twitter, though. Sounds like the fp hit too close to home to you, since it describes you perfectly.

>>8183225
Trannies don't pay for games, faggot. They may bitch and complain about them "not getting representation" or whatever gay shit on discord and Twitter, though, even though they would never monetarily support the developers/publishers they threaten. Sounds like the fp hit too close to home to you, since it describes you perfectly.

>>8180905
>Axelay fast rom hack
didn't know this was a thing, cool

>>8173167
at this point just put amigashill as your username i see you in every fucking thread

>>8169335
Perhaps. If I were given a choice of picking the console library from which I'd be forced to play one game entirely at random, it would be SNES.

>>8182571
say that to my face fucker

>>8169335
Still the best system ever. Please ignore every other post in this shitheap of a thread. Poor OP.

>>8184770
snes has a consistent level of quality
Genesis has a lot of western shovelware. Not saying genesis games suck but the ratio is higher with genesis

>>8169771
>The Famicom is butt ugly
>t. obese, gay Westrooner

>>8181387
Incorrect

>>8169335
>the best console of all time
if you like sprite limitations
slowdown everywhere
games for the weak faggot kids and queers.

>>8181286
that console gives me migraines

>>8184798
I'd go through you like a wet paper bag buddy. Lucky for you I have some court shit I'm currently occupied with or else I would meet up and knock your teeth so far down your throat you're gonna stick a toothbrush right up your ass to brush 'em

>>8186128
projecting much seganigger?

>>8175251
why is halo a shit game but not zelda 2?

>>8172151
>>8172209
>>8172550
Nice meme.

>>8170593
>>8170629
>>8171724
>>8172950
>>8173308
>I'm proud of having shit tastes
kys

>>8175178
its an edit based on when she moved into her apartment, she said she had no furniture and had all of her pc shit setup on her bed. the drawfag in question is not very daft

>>8174592
The wii was the beginning, with its "everyone can play" bullshit.