/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8171910
No one really uses or has time for the numpad. So why would anyone want to play around with it? There are a couple games where you can use the numpad instead of the arrows, but it doesn't work that well.
It's pretty basic, so it's not fun or useful. Most of what you'd use the numpad for is just better to use another peripheral with the game.

>>8171910
Descent
>>8171930
Retarded zoomer

>>8171930
>No one really uses or has time for the numpad
wat?
i use the numpad for literally everything that involves typing numbers
also, numpad movement was the successor of arrow-key movement, and the predecessor of WASD
it was actually very popular during the quake era ime

in the early days of the PC before the 101 key keyboards the numpad was the normal means of game control and games would often auto-enable Num Lock

For the life of me, I don't know why these still exist, or have ever existed.

>>8171980
why what exists?

>>8171981
A second set of number keys.

>>8171980
I hope that post is bait

>>8171991
No. Explain it to me.

>>8171996
well sit down on pappys lap, sonny, and ill explain it to you
IN THE BEGINNING:

>>8171996
If you ever had to type in large amounts of numbers fast then the number keys of what's called typewriter sections isn't the way to do it.

>>8171996
For people who work and have to enter numbers or do accounts, it's invaluable. The row above the letters is used more in games and special characters than it is for typing out numbers.

>>8171910
Roguelikes, of course.

>>8171980
They're pretty invaluable for data entry and accounting.

>>8172025
oh come on nobody in my generation will ever work a job like that because of people like you

>>8172102
sure they will. office jobs are easy and lay well

>>8172116
Big difference between office jobs and office jobs that use a numpad

>>8172102
Good god, you sound like an idiot.

>>8172102
>oh come on nobody in my generation will ever work a job like that because of people like you
Ok, you picked my interest. How "people like you" hampered your generation's job chances or choices?

>>8172137
>>8172145
whatever I'm just waiting for UBI. there's no hope in this job market
give me ubi and self driving cars already

>>8172148
Are you and >>8172102 the same person?

I remember watching my cousin play Half-Life with numpad to aim and I was blown away with his refusal to learn to use a mouse for aiming.
I have no clue how he managed to do it but I have to wonder if it was even possible or did I misremember?

>>8171910
Sierra games with a typing interface. The mouse sucks in those games when you need precision movement, and you do because of retarded walking challenge sections.

>>8171980
Even typing two numbers into a calculator is much easier with numpad.

>>8171910
I always use numpad on Civ2 for moving my units

>>8171980
You will when you code or do simple spreadsheet work.

>>8172148
gud bait desu

D/Generation.
You can also play with the arrow keys but it's suicide.

>>8172234
I'll never have a chance to do either

>>8172302
Not with that attitude you won't, you fatalistic zoomer

>>8172304
Your generation already ruined the planet and job market so there's nothing left for us to do but play in rubble

>>8171910
Final Fantasy VII

>>8172307
I'm 26 you fucking moron. If you give up this early in life of course the planet is ruined.

>>8172312
Exactly. You're part of that generation. Thanks for destroying us

>>8171930
Are you mental? I'm a 3D monkey, hammering values into requesters many thousand times a day. Using the regular number keys is just too slow.

>>8172315
You have to be 18 or older to post here, sweetie

>>8171910
I used them for GTA i think elicopter missions shit like that.

>>8171910
Carmageddon defaults to numpad.

>>8171910
Why is the number order upside-down anyway
Shouldn't it be like a calculat-
>check my calculator
>it's like that too
>I don't remember it being like that ever
what the fuck

>>8172451
First thing that came to my mind

>>8173445
It's phones that are the other way around.

>>8171910
Carmageddon

>>8172023
This is really nonsensical if you actually think about it. It's just a weird boomer meme that no one seems to have questioned for whatever reason. The number row is obviously faster than the number pad because you're typing with two hands instead of one.

>>8173445
youre thinking of ATMs
sometimes theyre the other way

Tony Hawk games have the tricks on the numpad by default

>>8173852
stfu

why are you so obsessed with numpads? is it autism? I've seen numerous numpad threads on 4chan with this same fucking image.

>>8173952
hes just baiting desu

>>8173852
used both and it's not in practice, plus it's faster to use both at the same time with three or four fingers on the top row and the other hand on the top row of the numpad accessing up to six numbers on that hand.

>>8173852
>The number row is obviously faster than the number pad

No, it absolutely isn't.

>>8173852
yeaaa still using the numpad haha

i know, but ughhhh sorryyyyy but yeeeaaaa nooooooo

i would use inline numbers buttttt noooooo hahahahahah yeeee but nooooooo

>>8173852
Ever seen how experienced people hack in numbers on those Point-of-Sale keyboards? That's why we have number pads.

Did any PS2 keyboard come without a numpad anyway? Seems like a modern trend to neglect it

>>8174042
>plus it's faster to use both at the same time with three or four fingers on the top row and the other hand on the top row of the numpad accessing up to six numbers on that hand.
Yeah. The optimal setup would probably be dual numpads.

>>8174103
Because they've practiced a lot. Just imagine how fast they'd be if they spent that time learning to use the numrow.

>>8171910
>What games use or can be played with the numpad?
Thousands upon thousands

>>8174168
Not really faster since your fingers need to travel larger distances. It's also easier to type number pads blind.

>>8174259
>Not really faster since your fingers need to travel larger distances.
This is another aspect to the meme that makes no sense once you actually stop to think about it. Eight of the ten numbers are covered by your fingers when using the numrow, while only five of the ten on the numpad can be covered at any one time. The furthest you need to move a finger for both is the same (one key), but you will have to shift your fingers more often with the numpad.

>>8174296
you need to hit enter (and often decimal point) too, just typing the numbers isn't enough.

>>8174296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc_HfVGj8H8
match this speed with the number keys in the typewriter section, plus decimal points and enter commands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGN0fOstkSk

Sid Meier's pirates

>>8174314
Even accounting for this, it's not enough to offset the fact that for numbers you need to shift your fingers more than twice as often when using the numpad (two shifts for the numrow and five for the numpad).

>>8174337
They're not even using the numpad optimally. They're only typing with three fingers when they could be using five. This means a total of something like up to twenty finger shifts vs the numrow's two. You could be moving your entire hand to press the decimal point and enter keys on a second keyboard while using the numrow and it would still be faster.

>>8174367

>>8171910
The original FF7 PC version

>>8171910
dwarf fortress uses numpad for the most basic controls

>>8173852
nope numpad is much better (in certain cases)
I think it works best with mixed alphanumeric inputs
I use it all the time in mathy programming
also needing shift to get + and * would make me want to die

I had configured Descent so I could play it singlehandedly with the numpad.

>>8174150
Yes, there were a few. IBM SSK is the most well known.

The Tenkey is default direction input for Japanese computer games coupled with space, Z, X and C for actions.

>>8173852
Theoretically maybe but training the number row isn't part of typing classes and few people will take the time to learn it independently.
I could see some people in data entry taking the time to switch from numpad to number row.

>>8176795
Not worth it when the numpad is more efficient. It's not only the numbers themselves, but also the common operators near it. The top row is for typing numbers during normal text, but dedicated numerical entry benefits from a dedicated section.

Carmageddon, Interstate '76

>>8171910
i can only think of primarily the control
dungeon crawl stone soup

pic if you're a retro macfag