/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8152079
Then I must be fucking retarded, because these filted the shit out of me when I was a kid.

>>8152079
I only played PAL Lolo but I got filtered hard. Love the music.

>>8152094
try out the first Eggerland game for the FDS if you want to be filtered. that shit is sadistic.

Sounds fake and gay. Played the first floor of Lolo 2 on EU and USA so far and the only difference so far is that the USA tones down the soundtrack speed so that it's more relaxed.

>>8152124
> LOLO filtered the fuck out of me
>Try this much harder game!
No, I don't think I will.

>>8152079
bullshit

in Japan they had:

Eggerland FDS
Eggerland Sōzō e no Tabidachi (cartridge release)
Eggerland Meikyū no Fukkatsu FDS
Eggerland 1 (US AOL 2)
Eggerland 2 (US AOL 3)

And the US AOL 1 had no Japanese release, it was a mix of puzzles from the various earlier games and made significantly easier. AOL 2 and 3 are also a little easier than the original Famicom games.

>>8152079
>did HAL think baka gaijin couldn't handle the originals or something?
Yes, and they were correct.

>>8152124
Lolo 3 is waaay harder than Eggerland

>>8152079
Lots of North American releases of Japanese games were made easier, in one of the early Persona games they turned the encounter rate way down and it actually fucked over the player because it made it so that you didn't have as much money as you needed since money came from battles

Wait didn't they water down Battletoads in Japan because they whined it was too hard?

yes they did

>>8152079
That's literally the most 80s cover art I've ever seen.

>no SNES AOL
Weak.

Kirby ate Lolo for breakfast and HAL almost went bankrupt from MSG

>>8152079
Where do the rights for this little guy fall? I just assumed they bosses in Kirby were homages and not straight up cameos, but it's weird that Lolo still hasn't made an appearance on a modern Nintendo console (outside of VC/NSO) and weirder they haven't even gotten a reference in Smash. Is it one of those things where Hal did this before Nintendo made them second party so technically they don't share the rights?

>>8154816
IDK who owns the rights to it, but HAL just kind of forgot about Lolo after Kirby replaced it as their flagship franchise.

>>8152162
hats off to anyone who's ever beaten these especially Sozo no Tabidachi

I finished Lolo 1 and 2 US without too much trouble recently, but for 1 I had some practice when I was really young and was renting the game from our local video rental store. I thought I was about to finish Lolo 3 when I finished the abyssal area but it turned out there's a whole infernal zone afterwards with even harder puzzles.

Lolo 3 was somewhat deceptive, the overworld places had a few hard puzzles here and there but wasn't too bad for the most part, then you get under water and some of the levels are a massive pain, and then every level is a struggle when you get to hell. I have only worked halfway through the first area in the final (I hope final) zone and I already want to die, especially on puzzles that are time sensitive and require near perfect movement or timing for egg respawns.

>>8152129
USA and PAL are the same, its the Japanese versions that has different and harder puzzles.
>>8154816
HAL still has rights to them, and they have appeared in very other Kirby game with the latest being Kirby Fighters 2 released a year ago. They also were in the Kirby anime so they haven't forgotten about them, they just haven't made an new game in longass time so its in the forgotten-nintendo-character/game-limbo where they refuse to make new game for some stubborn reason while rehashing other same series over and over and over again.

>>8155837
They should make a remake or a continuation of the Lolo games and tie the universe to Kirby's. They make these fucking shitty small eshop-bait games like Boxboy I cant imagine how much more difficult it would be to do the same for Lolo. It feels like its a no-brainer and would be cheap to do.

I have never felt as smart as I did when I beat Lolo 3. Fucking masterpipece

>>8155837
But aren't those technically not them? To your other point it is very obnoxious how many ip Nintendo would rather just let rot at the altar of sticking to Mario/Smash/Pokemon

And what Kirby game is that?

>>8158520
ntab the pic is from mass attack

>>8157950
Yeah, Lolo was perfect material for wiiware/dsi/3ds eshop game but they never made one, I guess HAL just got super burned out in the famicom/nes era or HAL is in some weird infinite loop where they just shit out copy&pasted Kirby games
>>8158520
they are literally the same character(s), why would there be two separate characters that are literally identical?
>And what Kirby game is that?
Kirby Mass Attack, the Kirby Brawlball sub-game to be specific

>>8159096
No, I thought they each had an extra syllable in their name in the Kirby games. Maybe I'm miss remembering. Either way, people are right to say that they are perfect fodder for a download only title. They have continually appeared on virtual console/NSO. And I still think that they would be really fun throwback characters to toss into a smash game. Maybe alongside Pulseman

>>8159096
>I guess HAL just got super burned out in the famicom/nes era
The games never really evolved much like Mario or other franchises did.

>>8159602
Thats funny because the last 4 mainline Kirby games, as well as the last 3 Boxboy games which mind you are also basic puzzler games involving block manipulation, also never evolved much either. Its a crap excuse. Just make a green guy named Blablabla or some shit that can magnetically attract blocks or whatever, add new gimmicks and story beats. It not that fucking hard. The only reason it is hard is because Hal has more newblood working at the company who probably have never even played half the Eggerland games and just put them in Kirby as boss fights for Kumazaki's reference autism. All the old boomers who used to bankroll that IP are probably on deaths door.

And fuck them for never making a SNES Lolo.

So what is the best Lolo game? Also, I highly recommend Baba Is You to anyone who loves these types of puzzle games.

>>8159602
They did and then they unevolved, the original MSX eggerlands didn't have all enemies at first and the puzzles were basic, then with famicom/FDS they had all enemies, the maze and interconnected puzzles that were more complex, special items and some cryptic BS mixed in, then they had that one on FDS with full-blown level editor. Then they brought the series to outside of Japan as adventures of lolo, but it become series of puzzles you do one after another that were taken from the eggerland games, with lolo 3 they made original puzzles, and they tried with the overworld, and it had some sort of story, but it was just fluff and didn't really add anything, other than that one new enemy in the underwater stages. Oh and then there was the gameboy entry with smaller and slower puzzles, which is fine but its super slow, so it becomes a chore, and it starts with a wall of text for some reason that goes on longer than it should ever have, and the European version adds more puzzles before the original Japanese-set of levels that are kinda just boring filter(the original Japanese version has 50 or so puzzles and the European has 120-something, and since they are before Japanse originals they are easy).

>>8159269
yeah. in eggerland they're lolo and lala but in kirby they're lololo and lalala (in keeping with the triple naming scheme of the kirby series, like dedede, pupupu land, and popopo). in the english dub of the kirby anime they're called fololo and falala. i would say that it's possible they really are identical but distinct characters between series, but then so is them being one and the same.

>>8159096
>>8159602
I guess Arcana or something didn't perform as well as they hoped so they double downed on whatever just made money.