/vr/ - Retro Games

>analogue shit

>>8151241
Like I don't care for their their FPGA stuff, but it is $200 and for the unit that lets you play everything on a regular PC Engine is like $300 and an FPGA product as well.

>>8151120
I like how they pictured it with the only games worth playing on the system.

>>8151261
Should I might as well just hack my Genesis Mini and play PC Engine games on that?

>>8151120
Might as well buy a junk PCE from Japan for $40 and a Super SD System 3.

>>8151392
>Super SD System 3.
Doesn't junk mean it is broken though, and that Super SD system is more than the price of the Duo.

>>8151404
It generally means it's a bulk untested or cosmetically gnarly unit. I've never received a broken console from Japan, even this worked. The reason I wouldn't buy an Analogue one of these, beyond the whole vaporware aspect, is that PCE CD-ROM2 software is a fucking fortune, it's a miserable system to collect for.

>>8151120
>analogue
>no analog video
what gives

>>8151418
Oh, you are the anon that I talked to a while ago about an AV Famicom. I got it and everything works great, thanks again for the recommendation. Since you are here, would you say a copy of Akumajo Densetsu for $55ish is a good deal?

That said all said, in regards now for the topic, I assumed that the Duo would allow someone to just add rom files thru an sd card. If not, then yeah there is no way in hell I will bother to even thinking about that analogue unit. I was waiting on Japan4You to put up a listing for a core grafx and see how much they would charge, but I feel like they are no longer going to restock on any pc engine units at this point.

>>8151120
I've considered getting it, but it's only worth it if you're into having physical copies of games you like. If you don't, there's no pressing reason to get a device that requires carts/discs. I'm assuming loading pirated games won't be a feature but something that will have to be hacked, if it's possible.

>>8151463
Yeah I assumed that they were like "oh no WE don't enable piracy on our products, that said here is an SD Card slot ;)".

>>8151451
haha, I am! Glad to hear it man, always happy to help. That's actually a super great price for AD,I still don't have a copy of that. PCE units go super fast on J4U, you're probably looking at $60-80 for a CoreGrafx if I had to guess. I sold all my PCE stuff sometime last year, despite how great a machine it is, buying anything for it sucks; controllers are like $50 a piece, all the CD drives are broken, the caps are guaranteed to leak, it's just a mess. Especially coming from a Famicom collection where everything always works and never breaks. PCE is a great console, but a huge portion of the library is on CD-ROM2; having a Turbo EverDrive made me realize how small the HuCard library is.

>>8151463
>>8151467
Historically every Analogue product has had an unofficial "jailbreak" firmware that comes out shortly after release that allowed roms to be loaded via the sd card slot. This should be no different

>>8151120
What's with all the seething? I think $189.99 wasn't a bad price for what you get out of the mega SG and Super NT, I bought both. I prefer not dealing with software and setting shit up with emulation. I just pop the everdrive in and go. I think it's worth the money, they didn't have to take the system. And the """unofficial""" jailbreak you don't even need an everdrive. It's a really nice system. I've had a lot of clones, emulators, real hardware etc and I just feel like this is the end-all solution. I think if the Nt was not like $400 back in the day people wouldn't care much about these prices, it's fine..

>>8151510
oh yeah im super excited about the Duo too. I usually just use my Wii to play PC Engine/CD games, this will be a nice addition and not dealing with so many menus to get to the damn games.. I had a turboduo a few years ago and the CD drive took a shit almost instantly, I paid someone $80 to recalibrate it and they fucked it up and bought it off me for more than I paid so I wouldn't tell on them (this company was reputable..), I bought another and the CD drive was shit out of the package, had to get it refunded like god damn fuck that system

>>8151489
>PCE is a great console, but a huge portion of the library is on CD-ROM2
That pretty much been my reason for not getting one and thinking about the Duo version since >>8151495 mentioned the unofficial firmware shenanigans. I am a basic bitch and wanted to play Rondo, but also try out Ys and any other hidden PC Engine games as well.

>>8151510
>>8151526
I wasn't really looking to seem "seething" over this Duo unit. I just know that typically the other consoles they made are more of a premium product that isn't really necessary, and when I see that the price for such a costly console was pretty low for what I considered, I wanted to see if there might be any snafu or what not that could come with this model.

>>8151120
Man, I keep hearing about how not only the early version of the PC-Engine CD module and Turbo grafx CD have these cap issues with key mechanisms, but what about the Turbo Duo?

>>8151120
Emulators are free.

>>8151250
Emulator is free and you could run it on a 10 years old netbook.

>>8151440
That's what their DAC is for.

>>8151510
If there's going to be a jailbreak for piracy that anyone can do, and it also does the entire PC Engine library, then this is definitely the better option for most people.

>>8151489
Got that copy of AD, thanks again for the price feedback! Figure I should get it since apparently the first one on cart is like hundreds since it was only om the FDS to start. See ya around later!

The Duo may still be quite a way off from production. FPGA orders now have a 1.5 year wait due to the silicon shortage.

>>8151392
>SuperSoiDickSystem Tres
did they ever fix the boards with shit installed backwards and the audio shitting itself or are they still deleting posts on the forums? piece of shit costs like 400 bucks and it has audio problems and video noise lol. too bad the retards will buy it and the revisions when they come out so these companies never learn to just fix a broken product.

>>8151532
>try out
>doesn’t emulate

>huge portion of the library is on CD
Yeah, if you're a larping faggot pretending you speak Japanese. There's 0 cds worth playing and hundreds of English TG16 carts. What, are you too good for American releases, Brian?

>>8152476
>There's 0 cds worth playing
You don't need to know Japanese to play a shmup you jackass.

>>8152484
You can just play the hundreds of English shmups they're all literally the same game

>>8152434
Works on my machine, maybe you should stop taking any bullshit from ill informed fucks like you seriously.

>>8152476
Always one of you in these threads. Kys.

>>8151120
This thing is literal junk. Want to play PC Engine? Emulation is pretty good. Want the original experience? Get an SSD3.

Want an FPGA clone that's essentially identical to original hardware? Get a fucking MiSTer, you stupid cunt. Oh, and for the money you spend you also get a dozen other consoles too, instead of just 1 in a stupid box.

Also, if you don't know Japanese you're missing out on the best the system actually has to offer, like the Far East of Eden titles.

>>8151120
No, I would say the only one worth anything would be the handheld one coming out

>>8152476
>>8152489
Holy fuck, what a retard. The CD accessory of the PC-Engine/TG16 is what made this console the beast it is and the Super CD-ROM2 tech made possible to create the best games 4th gen has to offer.

>>8151510
>think $189.99 wasn't a bad price for what you get out of the mega SG and Super NT, I bought both.
Imagine actually bragging about buying this shit. Meanwhile you could've spent 200 bucks on a single MiSTer and got:
>Mega CD/Mega Drive
>SMS
>Game Gear
>PC Engine
>SNES
>NES
>GB/C/A
>Neo-Geo
And a dozen or so retro computers and lesser consoles, with more cores in development.

And you spent the same money on 1 fucking clone system. When the entire POINT of FPGA is that it's programmable.

>>8152720
The mister is still emulation
The analogue has a board that functions joke the original

>>8152769
>joke
like*

Will we ever get N64 FPGA bros?
I’m aware of the UltraFP64 but how long will it take…

>>8152769
>The mister is still emulation
Of course it is. Just like everything Analogue produce. Well, aside from the original NT, but that thing was a fucking abomination. Don't tell me you seriously fell for a marketing slogan? Or are you too busy huffing Kevtris' nuts? I don't know which is worse.

>how to sell the same fpga-platform multiple times

>>8151418
The most I've paid for a PC Engine game was 13000 yen for Rondo.
All the other CD games I own were 300-3500 yen and the only other expensive game I want is Air Zonk, which is a HuCard.
What are some other expensive CD games? I can think of Sapphire and Cotton.

>>8152476
You could have at least given me a (you) to go with this shitty post.

>>8153376
CD game?
Sylphia
I know the rarest game on the system is Darius alpha though

>>8152476
>There's 0 cds worth playing
If Rondo didn't exist you'd be right. It's cool hardware with an unfortunate library

>>8153410
I am ignorant to shmups, so I wasn't aware of these.
But yeah, in my experience it seems like HuCard games are generally more expensive than CD games.
Most CD games are dirt cheap, but there are a handful that fetch high prices.
However cheap CIB HuCard games are basically limited to early arcadey/sports stuff and any game that's mildly interesting tends to be rather expenive.

>>8151120
>>8151250
Is it really going to be $200USD or will the chip shortage and supply line issues cause it to be prohibitively overpriced? I can't even get anyone to mod the systems for RGB for that low of a price, so the Analogue system will be a godsend.

>>8153465
Or you could just spend 200 bucks on a MiSTer, get the same experience, and throw out all of that E-waste. Oh, sorry, your "collection" of garbage you picked up for 300 yen a pop.

Just buy a mister and ignore the poor South American ESL retards that plague this board while you're at it

>>8153473
I have been considering getting one. Today I will ask my employer for some overtime this holiday, so maybe I can have enough by next year's Black Friday to get one.

>>8153483
Why not just resell those hunks of junk to other morons like yourself on eBay? I don't know what you can do with the extra few hundred bucks you'll have left over though, buy some more dildos or something?

>>8153487
Why are you like this?

>>8153465
>prohibitively overpriced
they sold out of that nes-console which was going for $500.
people are dumb.

>>8151120
These just make me wish we could get official reproductions of retro consoles and games by these companies (done properly of course unlike that god awful PS1 mini) or perhaps even brand new retro style consoles made purposefully for older style games in mind only. I know that sounds ridiculous but that is kind of what playdate is.

I do like what analogue is doing though. Would buy them if I had the money and space for all of this.

>>8153527
I find the idea of proprietary FPGA implementations to be actively disgusting.

>>8153965
lmao who fucking cares? spend your energy on something else, loser

>>8153992
Yeah, we should totally just ignore threads about blatant scams. It's not like anyone here might want to know a cheaper, superior way to play PC Engine titles. And one that's out right now, instead of "some time this decade".

>>8151732
$80 and only works with their products? No thanks holy fuck.

>>8153937
Granted you can install autobleem on the ps1 mini and it runs amazingly as a plug and play unit with two great controllers.

>>8153483
I hate your posts so fucking much. Stop being an attention whoring fag.

>>8155578
If you kill yourself you won't ever need to see them again you worthless nigger

>>8153473
>>8153487
MiSTerBitches leave.

>>8155874
It must be really hard to try and shill 200 dollar emulation boxes when there's a free alternative that uses a dev board instead.

>>8151120
Whatever you guys may think of Analogue and FPGA's, I think they at least make better looking versions of these old consoles. Every single one they have done has looked better than the original it is based off of.

>>8155886
Luckily for you, it's extremely easy to come into a thread about one device and shill it up with posts about another, then call someone else a shill.

>>8155995
I find them all really ugly, personally. I guess the pocket isn't too bad, but I bet it doesn't feel good to hold.

>>8156002
You got me dude, I work for fucking Terasic. Or maybe the chink company that populates PCBs based on open source designs? It's hard to keep up.

I just seriously can't imagine anyone actually knowing about MiSTer and thinking "hmm, no. Instead of buying something that does more, what I really want is a cutdown version of the same FPGA in a custom box that can only do ONE thing. For the same price."

Analogue only makes money off the basic stupidity of their consumers, or maybe cult mentality.

>>8156010
Your sarcasm has good bite but is way too defensive and sophomoric.

If you don't get how people who have physical collections might want a modern, quality alternative to play them with, I don't know what to tell you. Not everyone prefers doing the due diligence on properly setting up a MiSTer, figuring out if you need any of the extra components, and still having no physical media playback.
I could yell at people to just skip out on FPGA and hook up a N2+ with a fan to a CRT because that's good enough for up to Saturn/DC/PSP and is cheap for what it is, but I don't because that's just my shitty opinion and isn't relevant to what Analogue is trying to accomplish with this device.

>>8155886
by now you m*ster-fucks are worse than raspi-chuds ever were.

>>8156010
The mister supports physical games?

>>8156028
>Not everyone prefers doing the due diligence on properly setting up a MiSTer, figuring out if you need any of the extra components, and still having no physical media playback.
What are you even on about here? All of these things are completely trivial, and no physical media playback is a BENEFIT for CD garbage.

Setting up a MiSTer takes about 5 minutes to go through the ini based on what you're connecting it up to. Then you just plug in a fucking wi-fi dongle and it'll download all the cores and set up all the folders for you, then it's just a case of dragging and dropping in your roms. Extra components are self-explanatory and cheap.

The whole "muh physical collection" excuse is just retarded. Let's be real, you don't actually go through your shelf of shovelware. As nice as it is to open up a case, pop out the cart, and then put it in the console only to find one of the contacts is a bit rusty so it won't read properly, it's just a worthless ritual you're doing purely as an excuse for why you own a mountain of e-waste. It's easier to just select the game from a menu. If you want to LARP as a 12 year old, you might as well at least do it with original hardware, or are you too poor for that? Yet you have enough money to hunt through bargain bins at thrift stores in the hopes of picking up some BNIB copy of some trash?

>>8156049
See above. I'm pretty sure there's going to be some gimmick add-on for it at some point, like GB Operator support, but I can't imagine actually wanting to go back to the era of carts. The only nice thing about a collection is easy access to manuals, but you don't even need to take the cart out of the box to read those.

>>8156057
Get over it

>>8156057
My raspberry pi works just fine

>>8155636
Fuck off faggot.

>>8156194
If you're happy with a Pi, that's fine. Personally I don't see much point in them, they have all the same basic problems as PC emulation, so you might as well save 50 bucks. But if you need something to play in your living room on an LCD, go nuts.

>>8151120
Are they going to implement their own version of the Super System Card? It's not like they can distribute the original SSC BIOS in that thing.

>>8157020
It's for collectors, so you'll just have to buy one. Or wait for the "jailbreak" they release later and just put your bios folders on your SD card in the right place.

>>8157447
The whole point of the original PC ENgine Duo nis that the Super System Card 3.0 was integrated within the console so you could play CD-ROM games without any card inserted. AS per Analogue's website wording, it is implied that their product will act the same way, but that requires a reverse-engineering of the Super System Card ROM, so it needs to be seen what they'll do, and how accurate is what they make.

>>8157447
The whole point of the original PC Engine Duo was that the Super System Card 3.0 is integrated within the console so you could play CD-ROM games without any card inserted. As per Analogue's website wording, it is implied that their product will act the same way, but that requires a reverse-engineering of the Super System Card ROM, so it needs to be seen what they'll do, and how accurate is what they make.

>>8157582
I can't find any wording that implies the system card is built in in the same way, just because it looks like the Duo that doesn't make it one. It'll still play CD-ROM games just fine, you'll just need a system card that works with the game you want to play.

>>8157624
>Duo supports all HuCards, TurboChips and CD-ROM games with no additional special support cards needed.

https://support.analogue.co/hc/en-us/articles/360051105131-Analogue-Duo-FAQ

>>8157646
I'm guessing they're just including everything by default and they've got a table of which card to use where for the few games that have issues on later cards. I really can't imagine anyone going to the trouble of reverse engineering all the cards, especially when Analogue stuff is already shaky legally and made in China to avoid IP theft reprisal.

I wonder if they'll let you swap the cards so you can see some of the error messages and stuff?

>>8151120
Why not use mister?

>>8159424
Fucking hell, I guess we need to update all the RPi memes

>>8159541
Also this one

>>8153483
>begging Mr. Shekelberg to fill up his pockets some more so you can buy more plastic
The absolute state of collectorcuck.

>>8159541
>>8159550
I love that you have no argument aside from some bizarre assumption that another FPGA system written by people who aren't being paid by a shady company to produce overpriced junk is somehow "evil".

>>8159619
you mean exactly like how you people thought the SNES mini was an affront to RPi

>>8159619
How is Analogue shady? Can I get a quick Analogue Rundown?

>>8152476
And hundreds of worthwhile PC Engine and Turbografx CD games. And most of them are in English or require little to no knowledge of the Japanese language to play! Hope you're able to come out of your comfort zone and try a new game anon. Check out the Ys games, Gate of Thunder and Sapphire.

>>8159635
>you people
What the fuck are you on about? I don't even own a Pi.

They're both essentially the same thing, a laggy emulator box you can hook up to your HDMI display. Not something I'm personally interested in.

>>8159636
They're chinks operating in legal grey areas. They also make some pretty absurd claims, like the bare faced lie that "analogue isn't emulation". Of course it's emulation. Kevtris often has to patch out bugs because he got something wrong.

Ethically, the whole thing is essentially a closed source approach to preservation aimed purely at lining their pockets. I wouldn't mind Analogue so much if their software side was open source and you could just run their cores on your own FPGA dev kit. Instead, they're essentially forcing all the guys who actually care about game preservation to decap all the chips themselves, and re-do work that's already been done behind closed doors. But hey, then maybe their drones would get upset that they're paying 200 bucks for a plastic shell.

>>8159669
>What the fuck are you on about? I don't even own a Pi.
then just by pure coincidence you are exactly as annoying as they were every time someone wants to discuss anything

>>8159675
What you want to discuss is the modern equivalent of the Retron 5, though.

Keep crying, buddy. Keep insisting that anyone posting about a far cheaper alternative is just being "annoying", they don't understand the majesty of your emulation box. After all, it has a cart slot! So many people own HuCards, why you must own hundreds of the things. Scavenged from bins, bought from online auctions, all with the faint idea in your head that one day you might play them, but first you need the "perfect" system. The Analogue system, all other competitors can't compete! Terms like "cycle accurate" stab at you in the night from unseen angles, your sleep tormented by nagging suspicion that maybe you could be wrong?

No. It's the non-believers that are wrong. Their crude development boards are a pale imitation of perfection, perfection that MUST cost 200 dollars a pop. Look at the sharp curves of that cheap plastic case, the majesty of the budget CD mechanism. THIS is what gaming is about.

>>8159686
And so the conversation has come full circle
>>8159541
>>8159550

THERE WILL BE NO ANALOGUE SHILLING!!!

>>8157020
>>8157729
Magic Engine had a reverse-engineered PCE CD system card 20 years ago, and ME is still on sale today.
I don't know if anyone else has done their own reverse-engineering separately, but if not, maybe they licensed it from ME.

>>8153465
What the hell is it wth PC-Engine and Turbografx CD users worrying about capacitors so damn much?

>>8160115
Most of the systems used some pretty cheap garbage and a lot of them have failed by now.

>>8160115
'Twas the age of capacitor-plague.

>>8159669
Opensource beggars are the bane of all developers in any space. You're entitled to nothing, dumb fuck.
Enjoy your uphill battle for mister as Analogue, pi users, clone consoles, mini emulation boxes, and original hardware+flashcarts continue existing in this space

>>8151451
This picture oozes soul.

>>8151451
famicom games work in a nes top loader?

>>8160717
Yep, and the top loader also does composite.

>>8160732
Only if modded.

>>8160769
Exactly. That's an AV Famicom in the pic, not an NES top loader.

>>8151120
>anal logue
Lol just get a MiSTer

>>8160454
Yeah, companies should just be free to profit off the intellectual rights of others forever. At no point should anything be considered abandonware, or enter the public domain, if you can't buy price gouged data then you don't deserve to have it.

Analogue is the only actual evil here. The rest all have their place and reasons someone might choose them. Analogue hardware is owned only by cultists and zealots who have internalised an ad campaign.

>>8153483
please just improve your handwriting at least so your posts won't make people want to kill themselves

>>8160115
The turbo duo has failing capacitors

>>8160717
No they do not work on an American Top-Loader. I imported an AV Famicom.

>>8160713
Thanks. I was hoping on getting my room rearranged and play some kirby while on some time off, but my cat is so needy that I can only be in another room for so long before they start meowing and sounding sad.

>>8161097
Do the regular units, like the core grafx, have the same problem?

>>8151392
>TerraOnion
I'd rather take my chances with Analogue, honestly.

>>8161157
No
>>8161152
AV famicom are great

>>8161189
I have been contemplating getting megaman 2 thru 5 from Japan4you, but would you say with the price of shipping that $50 is worth it?

>>8161162
Fair enough, but it’s just an ODE

>>8161195
Sorry mate, I don’t collect the games, I just use an everdrive

>>8161206
I'll should just save up the money for one now that you mention it. Though the carts for the famicom are at least very nice to at least having some I suppose.

>>8161230
Oh I have some from when I was a kid, I’m just not a collector,

>>8160115
Worrying about the Duo's caps is 100% warranted.
They are from the era of awful surface mount electrolytics and they for sure have all leaked and are destroying PCBs.
Unserviced Duos without audio problems probably don't exist anymore.

>>8161162
Why’s that? Genuine question as I don’t keep up with Twitter drama or whatever

>>8162348
- moving from spain (EU) to tax-haven andorra (not EU) after preorder-phase of megasd(?), making everything 20-25% more expensive for yuros due to import-tax without proper notification
- dropping support for older shit the moment their latest shit is launched (looking at you, neosd-firmware 1.07, beta-test happened in 2019)
- shitty customer-support and customer-communication, nuking their public forum when too many people were bitching about broken stuff and moving to discord
- shittalking in forums, especially during the ssds3-fiasco

>>8162404
I also heard on reddit that the super system has audio problems too. Sounds like a total POC.

>>8160115
Every so often a youtubie rants about a system having bad caps and zoomies flaunt their ignorance by parroting for 18 months.
To be fair, some of the stuff does have cap problems.

>>8162406
analog audio/video of the first revision was a total trainwreck
>announce supporting Mega Drive 2-SCART-RGB cables
>announce extensive testing with md2-cables
>MD2-cables wired with csync don't work
>turns out they just used md2-pinout, but never considered how actual md2-cables are built (resistors/caps in line or whatever)

And the icing on the cake:
https://twitter.com/terraonion/status/984149606194872320
"quality can´t be measured"

lmao