/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes.

Even a phone can accurately (accurately as in, as far as the average layman will ever notice) fourth gen shit, owning this meme will only be worth it once it gets appropriate Saturn emulation. This piece of shit can't even do N64.

I don't know what the bare minimum mister I need is. It all seems so expensive

>>8150450
>Redpill me
I don't know why you'd need a tranny allegory, unless you plan on speedrunning all your games.
>worth it and superior to emulation?
Only if your computer is a potato and hamster wheel. Otherwise it's just a retard tax.

>>8150473
I don't like emulation

>>8150478
Well, sorry to disappoint you, but MiSTer is emulation.

>>8150450

yes

>superior to emulation?
Is coca cola superior to soda?

>>8150450
I'll tell you this the Jews don't want you to know about it, so it must be good.

>>8150482
No it's not. It's an FPGA. I studied those. They're fantastic . Literally the future

As far as DOS emulation goes, I've found it to be more accurate than DOSBOX, in that it can run things that DOSBOX can't run.

>>8150490
Whether or not it uses FPGA has nothing to do with whether its emulation.

>>8150493
Can you tell me how well elder scrolls arena runs on it?

>>8150496
I haven't tried it, if you want I'll give it a shot right now, it'll take some time to set it up though.

>>8150503
Yes, I would really appreciate it anon.

>>8150485

are you able to take screenshots?

>>8150489
>overpriced shitbox which needs overpriced add-ons to match up with any regular PC while doing infinitely less
Sorry anon, but this is the jews.

>>8150520
I can't even seem to install the thing, the option is greyed out. Just running arena.exe from the CD gives me "not enough EMS"

>>8150557
Gotcha, thanks.

>>8150537

I have them side by side, pc gaming rig and my mister and they don't match for the most part, there are games where you can barely tell but for the most part, its pretty obvious when you get to megacd and turbografx, especially sound. If I had to pick 1 thing from the Mister other than the accuracy its the sound, I dont know what it is with PC emulation but its just not the same, while using the same speakers. Its just a mixed bag with pc emulation, much less using the mister. Hell I can emulate switch games on my pc but that's not the point.

>>8150567
You will never be able to make an Indian understand the difference between parallel and serial processors.

>>8150464
It's BULLSHIT
it's for rich scum. Ill just keep it real with the original cheap hardware

>>8150586
Nobody cares virgin

>>8150590
And yet, here you are. You spend more time getting baited by me than you do with your supermodel gf. Sad!

>>8150587

I'm not sure whether you are joking with the last part but no, having $400 in disposable income to buy whatever trinket you want does not make you rich? I know dudes from work who go to vegas every month and burn their money on tables and they are far from rich. If you've got a job you should be able to afford something like this. Unless you think people who have jobs are rich, I don't know.

>>8150464
The DE10 Nano can run the software on it's own, but you'll definitely want a heatsink and one of the RAM modules. Also an external USB 2.0 hub in the micro USB port for your controllers and keyboard.
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mIGYLZJ578
To bring up the menu just press F12.
The IO and USB boards are just there if you want to hook up a CRT and have a more cohesive design respectively.

>>8150661
I don't want a heat sink or ram. I'm poor

>>8150587
What a retarded post. If you don't have a certain console, that's probably over 100 for it. Looking for a bunch of games? Market is fucked. Good retro games are anywhere from 40 to 200 for some titles. Want to use a flash cart then? The good brands are 200 a pop. Acting like using OG hardware is cheaper is dumb as fuck. Get one mister and you have most of what you need, and new cores are in active development.

>>8150676
Alot of cores need the 32 or 128mb ram expansion, but you can still run the Genesis and Atari 800 without one.
The 128 meg one in particular seems to be mostly for the Neo-Geo and maxed-out computer cores.
>too poor for a 22mm x 22mm heatsink
You're just messing with me, right?

>>8150696
LoL how much do you think consoles cost? It's not nearly over $100 for a genesis or snes >>8150696

>>8150712
So how much is the bare minimum? Can I make a ghetto heat sink from loose change and thermal paste

>>8150696
>genesis $free-$40
>flash cart $50
Uh

>>8150729
>rotting plastic
nah

>>8150729
Mega Drive is literally the only console that's this cheap, and even then, you don't get a Mega CD.

one of the reasons why i got it is pic related. its literally two .vhd you load and just unzip the sub directories. its why its good to have at least 256gb, gonna need more later on when the cores that'll be out.

why can't they make a cheap fpga on a pcie card

>>8150719

The DE-10 alone, from the maker is with shipping over $200. You can half ass it but you are not going to use it to its full potential, there's no point really to just buy the board and stop there. Mister is all about upgrades and its not for nothing, these upgrades complete the system. You are gonna want fast responsive controller, you're gonna want more memory, etc, etc.

Maybe once it has functioning cores for 5th gen platforms. Until then I don't see a need.

>>8150586
Video synchronisation is not a problem specific to emulation. You have to run your display at the correct speed wherever your frames come from. I own a few LCD displays that have blatant video synchronisation problems using real hardware that doesn't precisely match the video standard.

>>8150846
Most of the upgrades are cheap, though. I think I paid about 60 bucks for my USB board, my IO board with fan, and my 32mb RAM (I don't care about Neo-Geo). Then I paid another 35 bucks or so for SNAC and a bunch of adapters because I like light gun games.

If you don't care about CRTs you could probably just use a cheap USB splitter and spend 20 bucks on RAM.

>>8150836
I wish I knew about this earlier, thanks!

>>8150901
Good for you.

>>8150846
Is there a cheaper fpga? Can I modify my ps/2 keyboard to connect to the micro usb? Maybe by soldering? Can I get computer RAM to.work with the fpga?

>>8150948
Is there a point behind these non sequiturs?

>>8150964
Yes.

>>8150490
yes FPGAs are based and superior to software emulation due to zero lag and no overhead from the OS or USB
but in the end it all comes down wether the implementation is correct or not

>>8150964
No

>>8150676
If you're poor just use a Wii, it already emulates most of what the MiSTER does, up to and including DOSbox.

>>8151235
the wii sucks for emulating, the only reason to use it is that it is dirt cheap and has easy outputs for a crt tv

>>8151242
It works well for most /vr/ stuff. N64 emulation is limited to VC titles and PS1 emulation is really not there. I don't think the MiSTER can do Saturn either.
It would be cheaper to just get a Pi 4 anyway.

>>8151242
The Wii isn't too bad, most of the old systems are pretty simple. There's a bit of framedropping and the input latency isn't great, but for the price you really can't beat it. Especially when you need one for GC stuff anyway.

>>8151304
If you have low standards like that a raspberry pi is fine for "most /vr/ stuff".

>>8150450
They'll be good in 10 years when they can do N64 and PS1. Right now they're on par with literally any emulator box you can pick up.
>b-but it's FPGA, not emulation
Emulation is good enough that you won't notice the difference.

>>8150557
Amazing, FPGA "accurate" hardware emulation.
I can already imagine how much more "accurate" it is than the old and not maintained DOSbox.
I give an 7 out of 10 Video Game Esotericas.

>>8150901
You don't understand the problem. The issue is sound-video synchronization. For emulation they both have to be exactly in sync, this is not possible on PC since the sound and graphics hardware are separate devices that work at their own rate.

>>8150586
>>8150948
Fucking nerd, at least copy and paste the text into your post so I can tell you that I'm not reading all that shit. Talking about Indians yet here you are parroting that script like you're at the call center lmao.

>>8152781
Truth hurts, huh? Stay poor.

>>8152737
No, you don't understand the problem. When you use an accurate emulator the sound and video of the emulated machine are already in sync with each other. Frame tearing and audio glitching occur only when the emulator is producing frames and samples at a different rate than your hardware is outputting them. But you can change the rate of your display adapter and sound card trivially.

>>8152952
You cannot set the rate of your display exactly, it is out by a small amount, same for audio.

>>8150450
The fuck is a MiSTer

>>8152960
a SBC that emulates more efficiently than Pi

>>8152959
You can set any modeline you want in your display adapter. Obviously there are limitations in frequency synthesis, but for the low frequency video signals of /vr/ stuff you have more than enough granularity.
As for audio, I'm not aware of any hardware which doesn't sample at a rate which is supported by a conventional sound card. But, I'm less familiar with audio, so maybe you know something I don't?

>>8152952
>an accurate emulator
Name one. Just one. You won't.

>>8152974
Higan was the previously mentioned one.

>>8152975
And as was previously mentioned >>8150948 Higan isn't accurate. Or even presented as accurate. At some point it has to set in that serial processing and parallel processing are two completely different things.

>>8152982
Higan is accurate, the problem described there is a PEBKAC because you can't be bothered to configure your display adapter and hardware. Serial/parallel is absolutely irrelevant to this issue too. You clearly have no idea what you are are talking about.

>>8152984
*and sound hardware

>>8152984
>You say Higan is accurate
>Its developer wrote a whole bible about how it isn't

Guess whose opinion I take seriously?

post deleted because I thought he linked the other one

>>8152982
Higan runs at full speed serially on contemporary hardware and has for many years.

>>8152991
>>Its developer wrote a whole bible about user error
ftfy

>>8152995
>Higan runs at full speed serially on contemporary hardware

The developer clearly stated that Higan runs at different speeds on every single different PC. And all of this happens before you even think about plugging that PC into a display device.

expecting 100% accuracy from emulators is pretty retarded. sure, 100% accuracy is great but 99% accuracy won't ruin your fun

>>8153002
Did you stop reading the post halfway down?
Higan forces synchronisation to prevent that from being a problem. That forcing is what prevents multithreading.

>>8153007
And yet, synchronisation is a problem >>8150586 and will never not be a problem for serial processed emulators.

>>8153014
That is a different form of synchronisation - synchronisation with output hardware, not synchronisation within the emulated machine. Serial processing has nothing to do with the former problem, and may fix the former problem.

>>8153019
*and may fix the latter problem

>>8153019
Sounds great. Of course, I don't have any of these problems, because I'm not some retard trying to emulate parallel processed machines on a serial processer. But you keep at it, champ.

>>8153029
t. the retard who doesn't know how to set his monitor's refresh rate

>>8153036
t. the retard who doesn't understand any of the sync issues that occur before the signal gets near a monitor

>>8153050
I explained them all to you.

>>8153052
Yes, an attempt was made.

>>8153061
good job sport now read the following paragraph

>>8153068
I did, it's even more embarrassing for you.

>>8153076
Glad you now understand how higan remains synchronised then.

>>8153081
Except for when its not synchronised AKA whenever it is running.

>>8152946
Why are MiSTerfags so insecure they feel need to bring up money every time (and apparently screenshots now too)? I can think of a few reasons why but we can start small. A DE10-Nano isn't a Gucci belt nerd, imagine flaunting being faux-rich using something that's basically 2 Raspberry Pi 4's, and before you start screenshotting technical write-ups again, I'm purely referring to price.

>>8153097
Just stop being poor. It's disgusting.

>>8153089
It's literally describing synchronisation right there. Running every device in lockstep is what synchronisation means.

>>8153109
Not as disgusting as flaunting your dunning kruger tech illiteracy and willing ignorance.

>>8153121
It's literally describing why emulators run faster or slower than real hardware AKA Not Accurate. Thanks for playing.

>>8153128
Dunning–Kruger*

I always laugh when poor people make that mistake.

>>8153142
What? But he spelled it right

>>8153143
Another poor person. I need a shower.

>>8153097
You wasted time writing this shit nobody is gonna read and staying poor crying about something you can't afford lmao

MiSTer is great. Just works, same latency as OG hardware, very accurate emulation. RetroArch is great but can be hit or miss. I've used it for years and it's never a turn on and play kinda thing, there's always some random issue that pops up and you have to be messing with menus. Standalone PC emulators are more stable, but they lag so much it's not worth it.

>>8150459
Poorfag cope

>>8155519
I’ve seen plenty of misters have issues too
There is no perfect system for emulation, fuck even modded OG hardware has issues

Mister fags can’t even convince one of the few developers who even bother helping with the project to work on a Mortal Kombat cabinet core. Embarrassing.

>>8155608
>Mister fags can’t even convince one of the few developers who even bother helping with the project to work on a Mortal Kombat cabinet core. Embarrassing.
That's one purpose. Who would want to play that shit? Go elsewhere, pls.

>>8155608
Mister can't even play 5th gen consoles yet. The potential is there for it to be something worthwhile but support is currentlly a joke.

>>8155570
Don't exagerate MISTer is way more hassle free than settings your cores emulators on Retroarch for the most optimal and best performances, it's really close to the plug and play of OG consoles.
And while you need to use third party software to make some of your controllers works on PC and even with that there is a lot of bug reported and controller not recognized, on MISTer you can plug whatever you want and it will be recognized without issues.

>>8156198
>Don't exagerate
>goes ahead and exaggerates on his own

>>8156206
Cause of course you are the objective one and has the hours of experience on MISTer. tell me more go on.

>>8156314
I don't need to, like I've said it has plenty of issues, you are being wilfully ignorant
Downloading an emulator worked within 5 seconds after installing

>>8156331
>like I've said it has plenty of issues
Name any of them.

He's right that emulation is a farce. Retroarch is one of the most poorly designed applications I've come across, and I'm saying that as someone who uses Anki daily. Everything is 5 times harder than it should be because "UI design" was clearly never even a basic consideration despite years of work going into making it look like a fucking PSP and now a Switch. Most other emulators aren't quite as bad, but lots of them try and make just running a game as painful as possible for your first time.

MiSTer was a complete breeze. The ini takes a little bit of reading, but aside from that the thing fucking updates itself over wi-fi, it's effortless. The menu design is simple and easily understandable after about 10 seconds, and it's fast.

>>8156386
>He's right that emulation is a farce. Retroarch is one of the most poorly designed
Retroarch isn't an emulator, zoomie.

>talking about muh UI design while trying to justify an extremely technical distinction between hardware and software emulation
Christ, just admit that esoteric hardware that most people don't own gets your dick hard and that standard emulation is too plebian and mainstream for the likes of your hipster time. Don't pretend you know anything about anything because you clearly don't.

>>8150450
Nah dude get a raspberry pi

>>8156419
lotsa words, lotsa buzz, no substance
you didn't even answer his question, then again, they way you speak makes it clear that you are talking out of your ass with no arguments, so maybe you should quiet down

>>8156419
He’s no different than every emulator shitposter that claimed “muh clock cycle accuracy” for years
Look at his posts where he makes sure to capitalise the correct letters

>>8156419
>Retroarch isn't an emulator, zoomie.
Right, it's a crappy front-end FOR emulators. Doesn't change my point.

>Christ, just admit that esoteric hardware that most people don't own gets your dick hard and that standard emulation is too plebian and mainstream for the likes of your hipster time.
What are you even on about here? I like MiSTer because it offers me shit no other emulation solution does, which is playing games accurately, on my CRT, with minimal latency and full peripheral support so I don't have to throw out my light guns.

Is Retroarch a piece of shit to use? Of course. But I still fucking use it occasionally, it's nice to have fast forward for RPGs and the same custom CRT shader for everything. Just like I used SNES9x back in the day when there wasn't anything better.

>>8150450
It's worse than emulation because it doesn't have run-ahead, which means it will never be better than the original hardware.

>>8150450
in theory yes but it doesn't matter. mapper compatibility is also bad -- for example NintendulatorNRS and FCEUX support much more NES mappers

>>8155570
I had to mess with settings when I got it to set it up, but I haven't touched anything since besides the occasional manual update. Just plug a controller, pick a game and play.

>>8156386
I've used and loved RetroArch for years now. I still believe it's the best way to emulate on PC. But you are correct. Retroarch isn't simple and you need a fucking PhD to use it. I used to tolerate the miryad of random issues I'd get with it over the years since I've grown accostumed to troubleshooting it, but lately I've been so much spoiled by the MiSTer that I'm simply tired of dealing with RetroArch's bullshit.

I've become a lazy cunt who just wants to pick up and play with optimal settings by default. MiSter does that.

Let's face it, people emulating in 2021 are just poor and their opinions on hardware they will never own do not matter. If you are not poor, you get a MiSTer and never think about all the bullshit associated with emulation.

>>8157270
Stealing ROMs is for poorfags.

>>8156667
>I like MiSTer because it offers me shit no other emulation solution does, which is playing games accurately, on my CRT,

>>8157291
"Stealing" ROMs is the only practical thing to do. People aren't rich because they spend a lot of money. In fact, it's the opposite.

>>8157309
>I've been found out!
Stop being poor.

>>8150490
hardware emulation is emulation and less accurate than hardware clone consoles

>>8157347
>hardware emulation is emulation
Correct
>and less accurate than hardware clone consoles
False.

>>8157347
Emulation on an FPGA is as accurate as the hardware description that made it.
The quality of FPGA cores today far exceeds chinky famiclones and other clone consoles..

>>8157270
MiSTer is still emulation, but I get what you mean. It's good, accurate, hassle-free emulation. It's also hardware emulation which has a fair bit of advantages over software. It's good middle ground between spending actual metric tons of cash for a full real hardware setup and just emulating on a PC. It costs a lot more than software emulation, but much less than real hardware.

>>8157321
I'm not poor, I'm broke. There's a difference.

Does the mister just run everything at 60hz? Can you tell it to run at console accurate frequencies? Can it make use of VRR displays like retroarch?

>>8157479
>Does the mister just run everything at 60hz?
No.
>Can you tell it to run at console accurate frequencies?
Yes.
>Can it make use of VRR displays like retroarch?
I don't know.

>>8157504
Can you make it run at 60hz? Just trying to figure out how well it works for modern screens, I'm super sensitive to stutters, frame timings and input delay

>>8150450
MiSTer is beyond superior to emulation, as far as the supported consoles go of course. The worth of the MiSTer depends entirely on you.

I got a MiSTer because I realized I was far too late to jump back into hardware and game collection. This solution is the exact same thing as if I would have bought the consoles I wanted to play and a flash cart so I ended up saving a bunch of money. The bonus benefits of the MiSTer are that it is lagless on HDMI and VGA displays as well as the fact that I won't be experiencing glitches you might find in software emulators.

>>8157514
Yeah, you can lock everything down to 60. Don't know how well it works, I only play at original framerates.

>>8151242
Those are both very good reasons. It's honestly pretty great for emulating any Nintendo console that predates the Wii U. I don't have any gripes about my experiences with PC-Engine and Megadrive games either.

>>8157530
Lookin a little dirty over there my man

Which platforms does MiSTer support that don't already have accurate software emulation?

>>8157550
>accurate emulators

>>8157530
>MiSTer is beyond superior to emulation
Gotta be careful with that or you`re going to piss off the semantics mafia.

>>8157561
Oh no, guys, he posted a reaction image. Surely that trumps all the evidence against him. Shit, better tell the speedrunners that all of their leaderboards are invalid, an anonymous meme-poster on a thread discussing a product he bought is clearly an expert and proved that they don't know what they're doing. A shame.

>>8157603
are hardware and emulator speedrunners lumped into the same leaderboard?

>>8150450
Not yet. I tried it out last weekend over a few days and it was a bit underwhelming. Some system cores aren't finished yet and bugs or other problems occur, some you may only notice if you know the original.

Mainstream stuff seems to work mostly fine, though. For me its not enough to spend this sum at the moment and I'll wait till more stuff arrives on this thing. Its not the perfect thing people tell you online. Try for yourself first, if you got the chance.

>>8157619
Yeah and replays of speedruns on emulators are regularly tested on hardware

>>8157631
I forgot to add, software Emulation for some stuff like homecomputers still works better at the moment, but this may get fixed.

>>8157631
>Some system cores aren't finished yet and bugs or other problems occur, some you may only notice if you know the original.
Then what's even the point?

>>8157662
From my personal experience, the worst you can expect are minor glitches on the cores with less development time and even then they are almost impossible to come across unless you try. Every other core that's been worked on longer mostly lack obscure mappers for unofficial ROMs to work. Either way, if you're happy with emulation, you loose nothing by skipping the MiSTer.

>>8157662
Easy, the point is that I can't evaluate if other people would feel/notice its wrong/broken/buggy/etc, but for me I noticed these things like broken sound.

>>8157715
You could say the same about garbage like ZSNES.

>>8157715
>but for me I noticed these things like broken sound.
Were you using the 3.5mm jack output? That thing is notoriously bad, you're better off with either the optical audio or digital off the HDMI.

Otherwise, it might just be the core. Some of the computing ones are pretty unfinished.

>>8157768
>MiSTer doesn't even have a working headphone jack

>>8157768
I didn't used headphones, and yes, unfinished cores were the issue I think. I think this will be fixed in the near future, but for me its too early to buy a setup because of that and it was quite a bit underwhelming, especially arcade and computing stuff, which for me is the most important thing.

If one want to play SNES or Mega Drive, the console and a flashcart is much cheaper and easier to handle.

>>8157836
>If one want to play SNES or Mega Drive, the console and a flashcart is much cheaper and easier to handle.
Maybe if you just wanted to play SNES games, and only non-chip games. Or only MD, without CD.

These days I doubt you could get both consoles and flashcarts for them cheaper than a MiSTer.

>>8150948
This is completely fake.

>>8157631
You're probably one of the few sensible posts in the thread about the mister. I own one, and I'm going to keep it, but damn if it's not mainstream shit then you're waiting another 2+ years for this thing to get interesting

Issues I've had just in the past 2 weeks of owning it.
- Gameboy core has a PCM audio bug that's gone unfixed, was reported in February
- Madou Monogatari on PC Engine core had a sound bug where music would cut out after visiting the shop (was thankfully fixed recently)
- Some of the arcade cores are absolutely obnoxious and require rebinding on a per-game basis due to horrible defaults from the South American goblin that makes them, plus they have faggot features like patreon supporters via a binding so you can accidentally see some pretty gay faces and icons
- SNES does not support MSU-1, making it inferior to other options, no support for the feature in sight
- DOS stuff is typically only tested through some giant VHD some guy made with loads of games you don't want to play, deviation from this set can be difficult and tedious
- MSX core is a jankfest, some stuff simply does not want to work, or will reboot the core and then work, total mixed bag with little effective documentation

I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of mister owners don't actually play a lot of games, and just like owning fancy devices and feeling important. It'll be awesome down the line, but right now it's a pretty mixed bag depending on what you're trying to do.

>>8158390
Also a lot of exciting cores "in development" like the PC-88, PC-98, and FM Towns cores rely on some Japanese dude that seemingly cannot finish any of his work whatsoever, leading to a bunch of people I guess picking up the PC-88 core? His PC-98 core is laughably bad and worked on 1 of maybe 20 games I tested.
I get they're incomplete, but it's pretty retarded to see people hyping up something that isn't going to be done for ages and ages at this rate.

>>8158358
It's correct, he just doesn't understand what any of it means.

>>8158390
>>if it's not mainstream shit then you're waiting another 2+ years for this thing to get interesting

All I pretty much play on MiSTer is Genesis, PC-Engine, and NeoGeo with a bit of NES and CPS arcade. You're right about all of the mainstream stuff working and I firmly believe the performance in everything I have played so far is flawless. I have not come across any serious issues like the obscure bugs you mentioned except PC-Engine CD games having their music stop if I pause the game but there is a severe lack of support for unlicensed or super obscure games. One huge roadblock the project faces are members of the general community just wanting development going towards new cores instead of making sure all corners of the MiSTer ecosystem are content. Developers using Patreon as a crutch will probably abandon the project the moment that supporter income stops and we all know that so they are probably just working on whatever they can before it happens. It could also just be the main developers only want to work on the native functions of the original hardware and then getting around to everything else. We gotta keep in mind that they need the actual information of each chip to make a working core. It's not like software emulation where someone writes up an interpreter that does the bare minimum to get thing-x going and move on.

Some of these cores should not even be part of the main batch that gets downloaded with the update because they have worse progress available compared to the CPS2 which only seems to have two games with game breaking bugs. This is why people who are happy with software emulation won't be missing out on anything unless they know which consoles or hardware they want to use with MiSTer. I waited for this project to tank and dissolve into obscurity. Suddenly, I hear PC-Engine is finally playable so here I am now.

>>8150450
>superior to emulation?
It's effectively emulation.

>>8155556
You've never even used one.

>>8152974
BSNES, you're an ignorant fuckwit.

>>8150450
I just have a NVIDIA shields in my house with retroarch and a local server setup for saves and roms. I use syncthing for the saving aspect.

>>8158390
>Some of the arcade cores are absolutely obnoxious and require rebinding on a per-game basis due to horrible defaults from the South American goblin that makes them, plus they have faggot features like patreon supporters via a binding so you can accidentally see some pretty gay faces and icons
Reasonable point, I hate that faggotry. If it was a hidden easter egg through a combination of buttons, I could understand. But just hitting the pause button? Fuck off.
>SNES does not support MSU-1
I've always found MSU-1 to be a gimmick. But then I'm the kind of guy that likes the weird R-Type CD soundtrack on the PC Engine. I'm uninterested in Roland support for the same reason, I want my games to sound like they did when they came out, not how they sound 30 years on after some dude has added 4gb to the system. At most, I wouldn't mind satellaview Zelda support, but I don't care much for it anyway. I'd rather have something niche that offers new games, like 32X support. Or a Super Game Boy only SNES fork.

>computer core stuff
Yeah, they all need some work. These are mainly novelties to me, I started with DOS and I'm pretty uninterested in connecting my MiSTer up to 30khz displays, so I just don't care about them.

Personally, MiSTer was worth it just for PC Engine. I didn't expect it to also replace my SNES and MD, so that was nice.

>>8150490
>It's an FPGA. I studied those.

Oh Jesus Christ. If you're not sticking a cart in a slot it's emulation.

>>8159279
You can get emulators that read carts like the retrons.

>>8159295
The emulator isn't reading the cart, the ROM is dumped before it can play the game.

>>8159362
How does a system dump a ROM without reading it?

>>8150450
I regret buying my MiSTer, to be honest. While it plays the consoles I wanted to play in the first place, it's nowhere near comparable to a Raspberry Pi that can play everything even if it isn't at full speed like SNES. The UI is boring and doesn't feel like a product worth the money I dropped on it. Meanwhile, my raspberry pi setup cost me a total of $95 for a kit, an amazon USB controller and a cheap Goodwill Dell monitor. It's not ready for casual gamers because you need to familiarize yourself with the horrible OSD, there is still plenty of setup required even after the update. The pre-made packs contain outdated files. I don't give a shit about input delay, but the MiSTer definitely doesn't have any so I commend it in that regard. Once I sell my MiSTer, the only thing I'm gonna miss is being able to play some NES games without software emulation glitches and SNES running at full speed. Not familiar with Sega or PC-Engine so nothing else lost there.

>>8159513
They said the emulator reads the cart, it doesn’t.

>>8160318
>Put Playstation game in a PC disc drive
>"The emulator's not reading the disc, it's actually a driver"
Well, sure I guess.

>>8160323
A PC disc drive isn’t a Retron that they were talking about and I was responding to.

>paying $300+ for an emulator
>all it does is do """accurate""" emulation, making tiny differences that nobody notice unless directly comparing side-by-side with a regular emulator

>>8160340
I just can't really see what difference this distinction makes.

>>8160345
Not even that, mister doesn't support many platforms and the ones it does already have accurate emulators

>>8150450
Get a pstv wayyyy better

>>8160345
>>8160351
MiSTer is clearly a luxury. If the price alone is a concern, it's obviously not for you, therefore move along. If you know you got your preferred setup going on, why does it bother you this option exists? The project is just several years old and the implementation of each emulator is not as simple as software emulating. The ultimate goal is to have FPGA cores that someone could flash onto a real chip and not be able to tell the difference between a real console. The fact that people can use the FPGA cores to run games is a nice bonus and proof that their project is yielding the desired results. You're the equivalent of the people who complain about Apple products but don't own one or ever have, yet feel the need to bring up how much you dislike it.

>>8160431
>The fact that people can use the FPGA cores to run games is a nice bonus and proof that their project is yielding the desired results.
mister shills admitting they don't actually play video games

>>8160473
here's another (you) as I play Soldier Blade.

>>8160431
>The fact that people can use the FPGA cores to run games is a nice bonus
Mate, what the fuck else is that shit for?
Are you paying for a dream or something? Is MiSTer a cult?

>>8160562
Take one look at this thread. Does it look like something used for its practical merit, or just to flex on apparent poorfags?

>>8160349
Words have meaning. If you're using a flash cart you're using the real game software on real game hardware. Any computer PRETENDING to be a console no matter how accurate can only pretend. Hence EMULATION.

>>8160708
That has nothing to do with an emulator dumping a ROM before it runs it though.

>>8160585
>flex on apparent poorfags
Yes.

>>8159053
It's better emulation.

It’s not worth it unless you really care about pixel perfect emulation

>>8161074
Underrated Post.

>>8161080
*It's emulation
FTFY

>>8150450
>Redpill me on the MiSTer
It's those things you use to keep vegetables moist

Is MiSTer hardware emulation down to the point where doing something like a cartridge tilt on a cartridge adapter will have the same kind of result as the official console?

>>8162469
how would it?
it doesnt use cartridges

>>8161660
better emulation.

>>8162697
Better than what, and by what metric?

>>8162708
Better accuracy is possible without the need to throw shitloads of CPU at it.

>>8162749
The CPU demands of systems that the MiSTer emulates are negligible by today's standards. Even shitty retard ARM CPUs can run SNES or PS1 games without a hitch. Also you don't need some drama queen to develop a core for each arcade system you want to emulate.

>>8150487
Yes

>>8162781
>Even shitty retard ARM CPUs can run SNES or PS1 games without a hitch.
Without a hitch isn't the same thing as accurately anon. You're not very smart. Why do you post?

>>8162749
>without the need to throw shitloads of CPU at it.
That's a weird self-imposed limitation. Why can't I merely use a decent CPU?

>>8162708
Literally zero overhead. There's no linux, or android, or windows running alongside your game. Less variables to fuck things up. Zero input lag. Zero audio latency.

>>8163113
Because what makes MiSTer special are the logic gates, not the CPU. The CPU isn't used to run games at all.

>>8163854
You must have linked the wrong post because that has nothing to do with what I asked.

>>8162781
>Even shitty retard ARM CPUs can run SNES or PS1 games without a hitch
As far as I can tell, Raspberry Raspberry Pi 4, is far too slow to run higan snes emulator. Accurate emulation is too heavy for low power devices.

>>8163863
my pi4 runs n64 and saturn fast and accurately lol

>>8163871
It runs them fast but it certainly doesn't run them accurately.

But at least it runs them, unlike MiSTer.

>>8163875
yes it does, i have an mk1 saturn and normal run 64 and it does the job just as good...ive only had problems playing a couple jap roms on the 64, but using retropi, the snes emu is perfect

>>8163871
Playable is not the same as accurate.
https://higan.readthedocs.io/en/stable/faq/#why-is-higan-so-much-slower-than-other-emulators

>>8163894
i dont use higan? im just talking about the pi4's ability to run emus effectively, which it does through retropi

>>8163897
Yes, but other emulators are not accurate.
Accurate = takes enormous amount of cpu power

>>8163901
you are just making arbitrary arguments for the sake of it...ive never even heard of higan, but retropi does everything you would need for emulation

the amount of cpu power a pi4 uses with the 8gb ram model is more than all retro consoles, bro

>>8163910
b-b-but how will you ever play the timeless classic speedy gonzales los gatos bandidos?

>>8163970
very fast like, amigo

>>8150948
You have this same issue on a MiSTer if you hook it up to a 60Hz flat panel. Usually you'd have to enable some video buffering to overcome the tearing, which introduces lag and in some cases a duplicates frame every so often to maintain the new sync. These are usually options on MiSTer or Analogue devices.

If you hook your PC up to VGA CRT with multi-sync, then the emulator can run at the precise time if the original hardware without video tearing, etc. You could also just use a Gsync, Freesync, or VRR monitor. I don't believe MiSTer or Analogue supports any of those.

>>8163910
Don't be proud of ignorance. Higan and bsnes are probably the two most famous SNES emulators ever.

>>8163113
I don't care if you want to use a decent CPU anon. I'm glad you have the option to spend more money to get something that's useful for more tasks but it's irrelevant for this conversation. Right now with the silicon shortage bullshit going on both FPGAs and x86 CPUs are more expensive than they should be and everything is a mess. Just use x is a dumber argument than ever when demand and prices are high and supply is low. Another anon was talking about using ARM. I emulate on an ARM CPU and had significant slowdowns the other day on snes9x-current on RetroArch. Most of the time it's good but there are hiccups. I'd like to have higan like accuracy on a device that's priced similarly to my Xiaomi Mi Box S. It's not quite there yet but I'm happy to see progress being made. If you aren't interested well nobody is going to make you stop using a PC so once again why bother posting, if it's not for you your posts are irrelevant and useless.

>>8150450
>>8150452
Just buy the hardware and a flashcart, ffs. Don’t get this redditor shit.

>>8164806
Now the argument is that MiSTer is cheaper than emulating. I can't keep up.

>>8164135
> 60Hz flat panel
How common are flat panels with really strict timing?

>>8165405
Most of them that don't have VRR, basically.

>>8165421
really? Most monitors must have some leeway since not all 60hz modes are exactly 60hz.

>>8165443
Those would still be standard modes.

>>8165251
Always has been, retards just like to pretend their PC hatched out of an egg and cost nothing. Once that myth is debunked it becomes apparent that a full MiSTer setup is cheaper than the average GPU.

>>8164135
It depends on the TV. I have a newer 4K Samsung TV and It syncs to the odd signals just fine. Basically If the TV works with the OSSC, it'll work on MiSTer's low latency mode. Most newer TVs will.

>>8165251
It's cheaper than having a dedicated PC that's just for emulating. I'm waiting for it to get cheaper though. I'd pay around $60 for a setup like that. That's not going to happen in this climate.

>>8166036
>I'm waiting for it to get cheaper though
What, MiSTer? That's not going to get down to those kinds of prices for at least a decade. Possibly even longer, FPGA development boards don't have a lot of reason to grow.

>>8166036
That will never happen in any climate. The DE10 alone is worth far more than it sells for due to being subsidised by Intel. Years down the line when individual cores are rock solid, you may find that companies consolidate it all into one $60 board, but you would still need a board for each core.

>>8166054
The SIDI fpga board is 80 euros and runs alot of the same cores as Mister. A cheaper FPGA board could come out.
https://manuferhi.com/p/sidi

With that said I love my Mister and don't see a problem with its price.

>>8166128
That's a 22k board vs the 110k board of the DE-10. And most of those cores seem like very basic MiST ports, I'm pretty sure the more modern MiSTer versions use a lot more of the space because they're more complex and accurate.

>>8166128
As >>8166140 says that board is in no way comparable to the DE10. $60 for an actual usable MiSTer set up is never happening and the $300 it runs for now is going to seem like a bargain this time next year. One of the PS1 devs reckoned he would need 50k logic elements, but the Saturn is going to need maybe 3 times that.

>>8165931
>GPU
>For emulation

>>8165931
Most of this board are actual kids who get pcs bought for them

>>8150450
It was cucked by run-ahead. No reason to bother now. We won emulationbros.

>>8166582
for upscaling?

>>8169463
MiSTer can't do uprezzing so the comparison is moot. Besides if you want accurate emulation it won't be hardware accelerated anyway.

>>8168728
Destroying your accuracy with a hack to get lower latency isn't winning.

>>8169632
>Destroying your accuracy
how is running multiple instances destroying accuracy?

>>8169638
>Retroarch is as accurate as the core you choose is, UNTIL you turn on RunAhead. RunAhead is an optional feature that uses multiple concurrent cores, savestates and reloads to reduce input delay to sub-console levels. Console, by the by, does have input delay, usually 1-3 frames on any given game. Multiple communities, ALTTP and Super Metroid for instance, have done significant testing and found RetroArch to be perfectly fine, but have outright banned RunAhead.
Also the original announcement from RetroArch explicitly states that it isn't accurate. I mean if you're claiming to get lower input latency than the real console that's obviously no longer accurate emulation so you'd have to be dumb as shit to think otherwise.

>>8169696
they banned it because it uses save states

>>8166582
>PC
>with no GPU

>>8169696
Nice press release, doesn't reflect the fact that in normal usage run ahead will claw back one frame of lag,enough to make up for your display latency but not enough to trouble real hardware. Why does everyone ignore the existence of frame delay, a fantastic way to improve imput lag without resorting to hacks?

>>8169638
It effectively reduces the granularity of input down to 1/60. In fairness so do most emulators without runahead, and it's one of those dirty secrets in emulation that they handwave away the fact that real code running on real consoles can poll as many times as it likes, whenever it likes and on many consoles it's even interrupt driven. You can fake it by reading the controller input multiple times per emulation cycle but once you use runahead you are now stuck hard on 1/60. For instance some of the mini-games on kirby are broken because of this because the game logic polls the input too fast for the standard emulation model and this makes it nigh impossible to get good scores.

>>8170004
proof?

>>8164142
yea still using zsnes, i know you want me to look at these...emulators? i guess but noooo hahahahahahaha

yeaaaaaa but nooooooooooooooooooo sorry but yeeee nooooooooo

>>8169889
Sorry sweaty, all modern desktop CPUs come with IGPUs for years now.

I have one and haven't used it in months. Why? Cause I'm not poor.

>>8170349
Which cost more than a MiSTer. Try and keep up, retard.

Retroarchs gsync compatibility allows it to run games at console accurate refresh rates on VRR displays while also massively reducing input lag without runahead or even frame delay settings. Shit is great and probably the biggest reason I use retroarch these days

Hopefully one day mister will support VRR displays in the same way

>>8170745
What CPU do you think it takes to emulate 2D games?

>>8170745
Still not buying your trash, poorfag

>>8170745
ok el homo

>>8157530
Reminds me of the time when I built superguns for money. Hackjob-ish. Also clean your shit you filthy animal.

>>8170745
most people already have a computer capable of doing 8-32bit emulation, and if not they have a phone. im not anti mister as i appreciate the hobby being accessable to as many people and in as many ways as possible, but that's not really a good argument.

>>8170745
The real cost you should be factoring in is the cost of the screen.

There's essentially no reason to own a fancy low latency screen these days, and you're looking at paying 2-5x more for it if you want something that can approach the random CRT you find at the side of the road.

If I wanted to emulate an action game, I'd have to buy an OLED BFI screen that's 4x what I paid for my current display. And it'd fall apart in 2-3 years. Anyone with a desktop made in the past decade can emulate, but if you want the picture to be playable, you're looking at spending a lot more money.

>>8171060
Well I already have a MiSTer, so that costs me nothing. It's very easy to play jewish word games here, but the fact remains that a MiSTer is cheaper than the average GPU. So anyone emulating on their gamer rig (poorfag cope A) is a straight up retard putting hours on parts that are getting harder to replace and consuming vast amounts of electricity and anyone emulating on a toaster (poorfag cope 2) is welcome to enjoy their lag and the huge electricity bill their ancient PSU generates. they. I'll be sitting over here enjoying my lag free MiSTer whilst my threadripper is doing the actual work I bought it to do.

>>8171328
But what does it matter when you don't need a dedicated GPU to emulate the games a MiSTer does? It's not relevant at all.

>>8150450
>>8150452
I'm not into wonky looking home build kits.

>>8171436
Feels so good to not be a poor South American brehs

>>8171441
>I'M GONNA CONSOOOOOOOM

>>8171334
No one said you did. It was merely pointed out that a MiSTer is cheaper than the average GPU.

>>8171436
Poors on suicide watch.

SHOULD I CALL YOU MISTA

>>8150452
holy shit what the fuck is wrong with your hand?

>>8172160
Emulation and unhealthy lifestyles. There must be a correlation.

>>8172160
He's white, rare for your eyes Javier I know, but it's what white skin looks like

>>8171436
>>8171441
>>8171941
I don't get it, why is this a meme about being poor?

>>8172227
>t. actual nigger

>>8171328
>jewish word games
>having an expensive gaming computer is "poorfag cope"
oh you're retarded, carry on

>>8172432
After all the lies and fallacies are dismissed, MiSTer hate boils down to poorfags getting upset because $300 is a big deal to them.

>>8173361
That seems false, most people that emulate on PC cost more than that by a lot
It seems more to me that mister crowd is just like the RPi crowd was five years ago

>>8161074

Just bought a MiSTer based on this image.

>>8171441
Tfw high earner south american and own a MiSTer.

Shit costs more than 2 months minimum wage kek

>>8170816
It doesn't need to support VRR.

>>8174281
I don’t think you understand what VRR is
It absolutely would be beneficial

>>8174281
It's the best way to display console-accurate refresh rates without a CRT.

Yes. it is.
its not emulation to begin with but a restoration of original hardware behavior in real time.
im into emulators for almost two decades and nothing come close to the mister.

>>8174281
Yes it does

>>8174357
This

>>8153142
>too poor to afford original hardware and original games
>laughs at others for not liking his emulator box
lol @ your pathetic life

Quick run through different games, and how fast stuff loads

>>8174357
It's literally emulation. Stop shilling this overpriced pile of trash on /vr/.

>>8176461
feels like the real thing, even the delays you would not expect is there, just the load time in general. no one has yet taken this into account. it does not take less or more time to do it, which is pretty neat. i will post more videos tomorrow.

>>8150450
should i get this or a raspbery pi 4 bros? I want something that will output 240p and can connect to a crt tv without a bunch of scart or rgb nonsense

>>8176551

raspberry pi 4 is for south americans lol

>>8176461
Yeah all this MUH FPGA shit is just a bunch of horseshit. It's either original hardware, or it is not. It's fucking emulation.

it needs saturn and playstation 1

On one hand mister is capable of ps1 but on the other the polygons are just drawn using the same technique from duckstation which defeats the purpose of the fpga in running games exactly the same way as old hardware.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMZVp48SMps

>>8176559
then why is it so big in the US?

>>8176618

because its cheap and extremely laggy, shit is broken and not reliable. raspberry pi is not reliable for anything. i especially laugh at companies who try to debut their tech on this trash hardware, there's no worse omen for a company trying to make it than use this trash as their launch. seen it happen too many times. the hardware is trash through and through.

>>8176587
Interesting video. I had no idea MiSTer was so inaccurate.

>>8176643
laggy how

>>8176643
ETA Prime says raspberrys are great for emulation, I think I trust him over some random 4chan autist

>>8176673
They're a decent low cost option but if you're serious about it you'll find something better.

>>8150696
>If you don't have a certain console, that's probably over 100 for it
Don’t be a stupid fuck and buy from eBay buy it now resellers. There at dozens of auctions ending every day with reasonable prices. Usually 60-70% of what resellers are asking for. Half the time the people winning the auctions are resellers themselves.
>The good brands are 200 a pop.
Or you could get a Chinese clone for a vast majority of systems for a fraction of the price. The only console I can think of where the Chinese clones are lacking is the Famicom extra sound channels and mappers.

>>8151235
>>8151242
Wii emulation is terrible, but it’s worth it for how easy it is to softmod and play GameCube backups.

>>8176559
That's one ugly ass wallpaper.

>>8176793
>Don’t be a stupid fuck and buy from eBay buy it now resellers. There at dozens of auctions ending every day with reasonable prices. Usually 60-70% of what resellers are asking for. Half the time the people winning the auctions are resellers themselves.
this isn't true at all. The working consoles go for maybe 10-20% less than the buy it now auctions

>>8176461
Mister is not emulation you retard. learn how emulators and fpga work and why they are not the same shit.I have real hardware neogeo and sens since day one, have MisTer and emulators to compare. If you canot see the difference, then thats fine.move on.

>>8177076
Not that anon but just because it functions differently does not mean it’s not emulation

>>8177081
Then it's emulation the same way the SNS-101 is emulation.

>>8177096
pretty sure sns-101 doesn't contain an fpga pretending to be an sns-001

>>8177096
If that were the case, cores would not need updates

>>8177102
And an FPGA isn't a serial processor pretending to parralel process multiple signals.

>>8177105
Yeah it's a shame we can't update the SNS-101 too, to remove the bugs/glitches it causes with some games.

>>8177102
It sure does contain one chip pretending to be a couple others though,

>>8177109
>Yeah it's a shame we can't update the SNS-101 too
Correct, because it’s not emulation, it’s a revision

>>8177112
Actually it is.
Because the 1chip inside it is emulating the SNES CPU and PPU.

You said it, remember, just because it functions differently does not mean it’s not emulation.

>>8177116
GOTTEM

>>8177116
Then I guess BSNES is not emulation
Glad we followed your rules

>>8174325
My 4k tv syncs to the signals just fine just as it does with an OSSC. what's the issue exactly?

>>8177143
I guess you're fortunate with your TV. There's no guarantee that a digital display will synchronise correctly with these slightly different refresh rates.

>>8177147
Seems like all (from 3 years to now) Samsung and LG TVs work just fine with old shit. My TV even syncs to GameBoy in the MiSTer which is very off-spec. It's not a high end TV either

It'll probably have issues with arcade cores that use way fucked up signals though, the consoles are offspec by a small margin

MOTHA FUCKA

>>8150586

RetroArch already fixed this in 2012 with dynamic rate resampling.

https://docs.libretro.com/guides/ratecontrol.pdf

>>8158390
In addition, I've never gotten the Colecovision or Atari cores to work, in addition to some others like Apple II

>>8177202
enjoy your >32ms audio lag

its a nice experience. i gotta hand it to those 90s fmv games, they were pretty clever. prize fighter next.

>>8176907

>>8176907
>>8177785
Clickbait image on first listing. Games not included.

>>8177143
That's not the issue. The problem is when you're using the mister on a modern display with out VRR, it's doing one of two things

>your TV is running at 60hz and it's adjusting the game speed to match
>the game is running at the intended clock rate which will result in frame skips due to it not syncing up with 60hz

With a VRR (variable refresh rate) display, the TV can dynamically adjust to match the incoming refresh rate signal. Meaning that when you're running SNES games 58.whatever-hz, or NES games at 61hz, the display can match it and run everything as intended, no hiccups and no weird framebuffering which introduces input delay

Retroarch has gsync settings which let you take advantage of VRR displays (core depending of course). As far as I know the mister can't do that

>>8177804
Are you sure the TV can't take sync from the signal?

>>8177825
As far as I know, in general, my monitor won't auto adjust to refresh rates unless there's something software side telling it to do so (for example gsync settings in windows). From what I understand mister doesn't currently have a way to enable or communicate with VRR functionality on displays that support it

>>8177860
That's not what I mean. A MiSTer will happily output a 60.10Hz signal if that's what the console it's simulating outputs. And a CRT will synchronise with that exactly. VRR is unnecessary because it just uses the refresh rate directly from the signal.
Is that not possible for an LCD?

>>8177895
>Is that not possible for an LCD?
No. That's the entire point. If you run something at 60.1 hz on most modern displays you'll get duplicate frames/frameskips/screen tearing since the input isn't matching up with the output

>>8177804
If your TV is not a complete piece of crap then it will support small variations in refresh rate without frame skipping. Shitty LCD office monitors from 20 years ago support multiple refresh rates. If your TV cannot do such a simple thing, then you should rent an industrial wood chipper and dispose of the thing, and then buy one that was not designed by retards.

>>8178015
Most TVs were designed by retards weren't they. The HDMI overscan pretty much proves this.

>>8177785
>>8177789
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit images. No one wants a Wii for retro gaming unless they're turning it into a dumb emubox. Why not show me the other systems that people actually want. Oh wait you can't

>>8178278
I bought a Wii U for emu instead, it was a bit more expensive but I can at least play a few of the games that were ported to Switch plus emu pretty much every console before it.

how are you guys hooking the mister up to CRT?
i do not have component input only rca(AV) or RF

i can get a mister with everything but the usb hub for under $250 delivered despite the ongoing chip shortage

should i jump on it?
i just want to play computer games

>>8178385
i want sega cd
pc engine super cd
every vintage computer from my childhood


i already have the appropriate refurbed crt monitor

>>8178385
>>8178402
someone tell me this will work

>>8178278
Ok? Name a console and I’ll show you.

>>8177785
this is a great value and highly recommended for CRT emulation

however being forced to use bluetooth controllers kinda defeats the purpose

>>8178525
>however being forced to use bluetooth controllers kinda defeats the purpose
i use nes and snes classic controllers through the wiimote and dont have any issues personally, but i also dont play a lot of action intense games. but you can also get raphnet adaptors for the gamecube ports and avoid wireless. that's what im doing for genesis and master system games.

>>8178554
i have these adapters as well anon
shootemups become problematic
although for the ridiculous ones i savescum through anyway so i guess it doesnt matter


im still having issues wrapping my head around hooking a mister up to RCA AV cabling to normal crt

i think im just gonna use my chink adapter as the pc games are all very slow so lag doesn't technically matter


it just seems lame having all these cores available and adding latency via daisy chaining

>>8178525
>>8178554
You can use anything that plugs into the GameCube ports or even usb controllers these days. You can play GC games with an Xbox controller now.

>>8178567
>You can use anything that plugs into the GameCube ports or even usb controllers these days. You can play GC games with an Xbox controller now.
explain how, are you telling me I can use my 8bitdo usb controller in a wii?

I dont get the joke can south americans not afford a mister fpga? do they not ship there?

is there a reason the power specifications arent listed in the de-10 owners manual?
absolutely retarded

i bought pic related

>>8178682
$300 is more than a lot of south americans make in a month (or even two). but the "poorfag cope" cope is kind of redundant because south americans cant afford a lot of things, luxury or not. also you have insecure misterfags in this thread calling people with original hardware and $2000 gaming PCs "poorfag" which is obviously absurd. and of course it goes the other way too, its just a new console war for manchildren who never grew up

>>8178732
polarity??????
current requirements????

i havent been this annoyed in awhile

Not buying your shitty emu station

>>8178736
>in a retro game board
>calling anyone else a manchild
lol

>>8150450
It is worth it, but you would want the ram expansion and IO expansion which can jump the total cost of buying everything to over 200 USD. Also, that doesn't include getting a USB expansion (optional) or a case. I'm 3d printing myself a case.

>>8178743
>>8178732
If you had a brain you could have looked at what other sellers list as a power supply for the DE-10, and matched it.
I got a Meanwell GST25A05-P1J by seeing what unit misterfpga.co.uk was selling. Works fine.

>>8178732
Any 5V power supply with the same plug size will work. The included one os 2A, but more current is always welcome.

>>8177804
My 4K TV doesn't skip frames and scrolling is perfectly smooth. I test using the 240p test suite. It's a non VRR Samsung from 2019.

>>8178015
You're full of shit. Any new TV will sync to small variations close to the 60hz range.

>>8179382
It’s hard to tell sometimes but when it’s a 60.1 hz console you can get an extra frame every 10 seconds which will hardly be noticeable until you actually use a VRR display
>>8179391
It will adjust, it won’t sync perfectly because that’s not how they work

>>8179372
>>8179284
Thanks anon
looks like i got the right shit

>>8162749
Damn, it runs 16-bit shit even phones can emulate accurately... woah...

>>8179662
tards like you dont get it
it amazes me

your pos android cant properly emulate vintage computer systems

fuck off

>>8179492
>You can get an extra frame every 10 seconds which will hardly be noticeable
It literally doesn't happen. I ran the 240p suite scrolling test for several minutes. Not a single jitter or skipped frame. I'm pretty sensitive/autistic to them so if I got any sync issues I woulnd't play on it at all.

This is how my TV behaves. MiSTer turns on just fine, then I load up a core, and depending on the core the screen will go black for a second and come back up again (that's the TV changing it's refresh rate to match and sync). Depending on the core this takes longer, like GameBoy where the signal is a bit further away from 60hz than NES and SNES for example.

I don't think you own a decent TV.

>>8180408
FPS and HZ are not the same thing

Finally an enclosure that actually looks like something you'd put on your desk or next to a TV.

>>8179492
You don't need a VRR display to support frame rates other than exactly 60hz, you just need a TV thats not a complete piece of shit designed by utter retards. Its not difficult, 20 year old lcd monitors don't have this issue.

>>8180435
Uhh, for old games, yeah, effectively it is. Gameboy's refresh rate is 59.7Hz, and the games run at 59.7fps.

>>8170350
You ever though about losing the weight?

>>8181237
no, not really. I have thought about throwing a frozen pizza, with an extra 2 cups of mozerella cheese and about 100 extra pepperonis on it, in the over and eating the whole thing though

>>8180445
Looks like trash desu.

I prefer the Heber board. They will also be releasing an aluminium case for it.

>>8150482
Based, redpilled, keyed AND trans lives don’t matter.

>>8181550
>buying an even more expensive emulator
a fool and his money are easily parted

>>8150452
Can you get native analogue out from one of these?

>>8181724
Yeah you can even run digital and analog signal at the same time, people that want to stream and capture via hdmi while playing this on CRT just love it.

>>8181550

So someone apparently made that board, so what's to say that in the future they wont bring out an addon that works with de-10 nano so it gets n64 running.

>>8176559

If I wanted to do that on the PC how long would it take?

>>8182332
The DE10 doesn't have enough logic elements to replicate the circuitry on the N64.
It wont happen without a hybrid solution that utilises the onboard CPU to carry out certain tasks, which would be a questionable improvement over PC emulation.

While it didn't print perfectly, my skin color filament is making this look like a 90's computer

>>8182372

I'm sure there are some things they can let slip through and not take a hit as far as latency goes, but again im just guessing here. its probably something that just takes too much time and resources. i appreciate people using their own time to better mister and develop cores, but lets be honest, mister is niche even going by todays standards.

>>8181724
component pprby only
very misleading vga is not compatible with most peoples crt

now i have to hunt for yet another fucking tv set

>>8182404
cool color
but i chose clear plastic
until aluminum becomes available

3d printed shit triggers my autism it feels cheap

>>8182735
>component pprby only; very misleading vga is not compatible with most peoples crt
Huh?
My analogue I/O board outputs perfect 240p over RGBHV (which you can set to RGBs via the .ini, or 480p if you prefer, and/or use an RGB interface like a $20 Extron box), but even if you don't have an I/O board you can configure the MiSTer to output 240/480p over HDMI and then grab like a tendak HDMI>VGA adapter and/or a Rondo HD15>SCART.

>>8182779
united states users do not have scart
there is no way to get a 240p signal over analog out sans using a computer monitor or pvm-meme

pure suffering

>>8182865
S-video, component

>>8182874
woah mister can send s-video?!
or are you using a low latency converter of some sort

>>8182926
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VGVZGJT

>>8182738
I plan on someday getting into injection molding. There is a project where you can make a injection molding machine for roughly 200 USD. Anyway, I finished my printed case

>>8181237
well i really dont have to, make good money, have wife, buy all the shit i want. jealousy is ugly anon.

>>8181282
Sad projection, anon.

>>8170350
have sex

>>8183020
I'M TOO RICH TO HAVE SEX OR PLAY VIDEO GAMES, FAGGOT!

>>8157270
buddy i have an series x, ps3 and ps2... I've have owned countless consoles and most of my game time goes on pcsx2 (a emulator)... don't even think it's got to do with wealth hahaha (i know were not on about pcsx2 but don't go knocking emulation bud, too me its fun)

>>8182928
is this the exact set up you're using?
scart cabling is used for RGB and av
an adapter isn't magically gonna convert the signal

had the same issue trying to deal with the supergun (rgb out only)

>>8183345
Hahaha hows India my dude

>>8157270
>im rich because i can afford $300
lol literal poorbrain

>>8181550
>Looks like trash desu.

You have shit taste, the Multisystem case looks like cheap garbage in comparison.

I've yet to find a mister case I actually like. So until then, and until a case is a sensible price, it lives under an upturned bucket to keep the dust off it when I'm not using it.

Fuck any case that requires you to use a proprietary IO board and shit, too. Or get rid of the fan.

>>8183635
It's not the greatest thing ever, but the acrylic case works alright.
Sorry for the shocking picture, the light levels in my room are fucked.

>get rid of the fan
I'd have bought the metal case if not for this. And the shipping cost, because what the fuck.

>>8183638
It works, but it's ugly. I get that acrylic is cheap, but it'd be so much nicer if it wasn't transparent. I preferred the PCB cases, but those were overpriced too and hard to get.

>>8179907
Yes it can. Tell us what the difference is?

What fucking zoomer fanstasy land are you people living in where you need a dedicated emulation device?
>i need the least latency, and highest hz, and herp a derp a hrumf ba drumf
Did any of you actually play retro console and PC games?

>>8184273
Feel free to point me in the direction of a cheaper solution that offers me NES, SNES, and Mega Drive with full original light gun support.

>>8184341
>Feel free to point me in the direction of a cheaper solution
you could stop pretending you need to play the only four games with light gun support. they were shitty games designed to sell a shitty peripheral then and they still are now.

>>8184378
>don't play video games
>>>/v/

>>8150623
>I know dudes from work who go to vegas every month and burn their money on tables and they are far from rich.

>>8184404
>projecting

>>8183595
They are releasing an aluminium case for it soon and also an injection moulded one you brainlet. The current 3D printed case is pretty much a placeholder until then.

The MisterAddons case looks like a router switch from 2005 and the board can't handle any add-ons like the Heber board.

>>8150459
>This piece of shit can't even do N64.
Whuu? I've played n64 games on it and it's indistinguishable from my real n64, except for the controller (cheap usb controller).

But I got it mostly for the arcade systems it can reproduce.

>>8150587
>>8150623
FirstI dunno where you're seeing $400. Unless it's 400 of some commie currency that stole the US Dollar's name. It's just under $200 for the board. If you know what you're doing, and or already have some things lying around like usb gamepads and an sd-card, you need NOTHING else.

Second, even if it was $400 USD, people who aren't rich, but just adults do this thing called: make a budget. Usually that includes entertainment or hobbies. People into guns think nothing of dropping 400-1000 on a new handgun. And many of those same people are FAR from rich, maybe even would be considered poor. And yet they do this and manage to pay their bills.

>>8184412
Used to work overnights at a gas-station between IT contracts. You could tell the day government checks came, because there were some old ladies who would come in, buy a carton of the cheapest cigarettes, and blow half their check on scratch off lottery tickets. Super depressing. I mean, if you have the money,and self control, I have no problem with someone gambling, but these people were addicted.

>>8184341
Well considering only nes light gun games are the only ones worth playing, get a NES, they are cheap
I got an av fami for 50 ausbucks

>>8184572
Is lying a prerequisite on this thread?

>>8184202
why do we have to explain the difference between software emulation vs hardware emulation


why we have to constantly explain latency

why do the same facts get reiterated in every single crt thread?

why are you a faggot? why?!

>>8184964
>why we have to constantly explain latency
literally not even an issue anymore why do you fags keep bringing this up

>>8185083
It's all so tiresome.

>>8185083
It's only not an issue if you don't care about accuracy. We talk about accuracy and you PC insects loop back around moving the goalposts again. As if it's too hard to admit you just don't care about the same things I do and shouldn't even bother posting in a thread about them.

>>8180445
>>8183635
>>8183638

the grey clear case with alum anodized buttons are the best looking when lit up imo. you add plug covers and it looks pretty dope.

>>8185342
lets be honest here, the function is not the issue, it's the cycle accuracy that you care about, it's what autists on emugen have been complaining about for years

>>8185342

Im the biggest pc fanboy there is but its good to have options I guess. All I know is for $300 bucks its very small to put down if you can also afford a somewhat modern pc. Ive got a 10700K occed to 5.1ghz on all cores with 64gb of 3600 memory, 32TB hdd, 2tb of ssd sata 2 and 1tb of nvme drive and I still switch it over to HDMI output when I want to play these games. Its nice too because I record that shit with elgato hd 60 capture while i play on the live bypass feed all within my pc. seriously the only people who would complain about something like this is poor fags because really the investment is nothing, what is $300 in this day and age?

>>8185369
>HDMI output*

from MisterFPGA

>>8184936
Hu. I don't see N64 listed on the mister page. I played the kirby where you mix the elements of the baddies you ate to generate his powers on the mister, and on my N64 with an everdrive. It was identical but for the controller. Do I just have beta beta beta stuff, or was there another version of kirby like that?

>>8185396
maybe you have crossed memories somewhere

>>8185348
Yeah the smoked case looked the nicest, but the supplier I got my daughter boards from used all-blue PCB to match the DE-10 and I thought the blue case would match.
Which it does, but not the rest of my setup.

>>8185342
>something happens that I wont be able to detect at all with my own senses
>M-MUH ACCURACY!!!!!
kys

>>8185369
Something that doesn't get brought up enough is the simplicity with which the MiSTer can be connected to a CRT.

Setting aside whether or not it's a totally perfect recreation of the original consoles, even though the verisimilitude of most cores is enough to fool speedrunners on a blind test, know what a TurboGrafx system or Neo Geo alone costs these days? And that's before you try to collect any games.
The MiSTer is something intended for enthusiasts only, obviously, and that's why the parts command a premium to purchase and assemble vs. a Raspberry Pi setup or whatever, but in terms of what the platform can accomplish, with an extremely robust controller support base and SNAC, with very easy setup for use with a CRT, all in all the value for money is insane.

>>8185454
this

cp1/cp2/neogeo
worth every penny there alone
not to mention the microcomputers

>>8185454
but an RPi is erasily connected to a CRT too and neo geo and cps1/2 run great, as does cp3

>>8185743
easily*

>>8185743
"Great" lol. I say this as someone who exclusively emulates on an Android TV device. I have no illusions about the quality I'm getting.

>>8185748
yes great, as they are running at 240p those systems run well
there are definitely systems that don't but all you need is one of these

>>8185757
americans cannot use this sans conversation to component
most sets lack component
suffering

>>8185941
easy fix for ya as mine can't do component for my 6th gen consoles and 360

>>8185743
Does CPS3 even run on mister?

>>8185956
thats component not composite
there is no lagless solution to convert to composite that i have found

i have a chink adapter in the mail but im not getting my hopes up

>>8186031
why would you want to transcode RGB to Composite, just use composite straight out

>>8186031
If you want composite the raspberry pi outputs that natively. It's a really clean composite signal too.

>>8185454
it can only use component cables, and that is far from being able to simply hook up to a CRT

>>8186065
Really? No RGB, s-video or even composite option?

>>8186069
I think mister does RGB through VGA

>>8186073
I guess you'd still need a sync combiner but that's not too bad.

Mister is way too expensive. And apparently buying bare minimum is not an option

>>8186057
i have thought about this but honestly my rp3 is trapped in a decent case with usb extensions/ hdmi extensions

i dont want to open it back up for that
+i would need to change the skin to a 4:3 one and reconfigure everything


if i can find another used 3 ill snag it for a separate analog setup

i wanted a mister/crt setup for arcade accuracy


heres a photo of vga to rca adapter i snagged if it runs acceptably ill let you guys know in thr next few weeks

>>8186145
or you could just drill a hole where the composite plug is

>>8186053
mister does not send AV 240p signals whatsoever

you need a converter
gbs-c or something similar

>>8186150
my setup is an autistic mess of hot glue and zipties

i will not be opening it back up anon
it looks slick though and you cant tell from the outside

i repurpsed a broken atari flashback

>>8186151
we weren't talking about mister also I doubt that very much

>>8186154
component only anon
vga , rgb, component
no one hooks their mister to their crt without a converter box

>>8186078
It combines the sync by itself through VGA (and HDMI too if you use an adapter, I think), mine's hooked up via VGA to BNC where H+V is delivered down either the H or V line, I can't remember which one is plugged in off the top of my head. It does lose sync at boot and during core switches for a second or two, but given it only cost like 10 bucks for the cable, I don't care.

>>8186065
>it can only use component cables
Stop saying this.
It's the most retarded bullshit I've ever heard anyone say in these threads.

>>8186283
tell me how else it can connect to a crt, oh wait you can't you dumb nigger

>>8165931
how do you put an image on a mister sd card without a computer

did you order all the components on your phone and watch a video on setting it up on your phone too?

>>8186293
If your target device doesn't take HDMI, VGA, component, or S-video, it's complete trash and I don't understand why you even want a MiSTer without upgrading other stuff first.

>>8186293
VGA/BNC (RGBHV) for 31khz, or SCART/BNC (RGBS) for 15khz?

>>8186313
most CRT televisions in the United States are rf/av only anon

>>8186318
Why would anyone care about people who are too dumb to RGB mod a CRT?

>>8186318
My condolences.

You're gonna have to get something like this then
https://www.axunworks.com/product-p341706.html

>>8186321
why would i want to RGB mod my tv when most retro games were made with composite video in mind, or at best s-video go shove your mister up your ass you retarded yuro

>>8186378
>most retro games were made with composite video in mind,
A couple of Mega Drive games were made with RF in mind because the video signal was famously garbage, you mean.

>>8186073
There's a board that provides analog outs, one of which is in a VGA connector, but the pins there are literally define by the fpga, so it's only VGA on things that generated a VGA signal. On the rest it's whatever analog signal over VGA connector.

Technically a lot of the analog video could be driven directly from the DS10 board, but it would be kindof jankey. But if you don't care about analog video, the HDMI port works well. I haven't tried to measure latency on it, but I'm thinking it might not add any.

Also you don't need anything but the DS10 if you don't want analog video out, and you're doing older consoles. I tried a bunch of them before my memory expansion showed up, and it did fine. The arcade cores I tried were about 50/50 whether they would load without it.

yes

>>8186378
Having the option is always great, my TV is not modded though
But it can use all signals bar component which is easily transcoded to rgb
It’s nice to have all options available