/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 4.0 https://rentry.org/6hwzi
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfunv4

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8059171

/vr/ HALLOWEEN PROJECT
Info here >>8091348

VRSKINS 4.0
Taking submissions

=== NEWS ===
[9-07] Rainbow Six mod that combines all classic R6 games into one
https://www.moddb.com/mods/rainbow-six-black-ops-20/downloads/rainbow-six-black-ops-20-release

[9-05] Quakespasm 0.94 out, fully supporting DotM
http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/Quakespasm.html#s5

[9-05] Dread demo released
https://youtu.be/ZxhO1ZCOZ-M

[9-04] Alkaline Jam released
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62095

[9-03] Hedon 2 has been released as an update to the original for those who have it on Steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1072150/Hedon_Bloodrite/

[9-02] Dege is restoring the ATI TruForm tesselation renderer for DgVoodoo2
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=83037

[9-02] DBP39: Carnage Oasis is out
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2271/carnage-oasis

[9-02] vkquake 1.11.0 released
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases/tag/1.11.0

[9-01] Crusadoom, a Crusader inspired mod for Doom
https://www.moddb.com/mods/crusadoom

[8-31] FTE now fully supports DotM
https://quakeone.com/forum/quake-talk/quake-central/283211-quake-enhanced-is-out-now?p=283384#post283384

[8-25] New KMQ2 test build
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4108/new-kmq2-test-version-2021

[8-23] Tastyspleen and jehar to interview Philnemba tomorrow
https://twitter.com/tastyspleentv/status/1429935692021477379

[8-23] WRATH is confirmed delayed
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1000410/view/2948156118200289059

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VIOLENT RUMBLE UPDATE - SHAMBLE DEEZ NUTS EDITION:

>see pic related because I'm too tired to write abridged update notes

Anon's shambler model using alternate ranged animation and set to fire plasma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597swffrWwk

Also, reply to this post with progress updates or any outstanding issues or whatever. I'll look at them whenever my fat ass wakes up.

>>8112360
New resource wad when

>>8112357
Yu is fucked.

Doom mapping has reached the point where maps with good gameplay are thrown in the trash in favour of glowing textures and shiny dogshit abstract maps in space with beams of light. If you even dare to make it non-Boom compatible you are instantly removed from the genepool, too.

>>8112463
>thrown in the trash
By whomst? Troons on doomworld? Who gives a shit. If there's something worth playing, post it here.

i'm wondering if there's a way to get the old janky stair movement in quake 1. mark v has an option for it, but I use quakespasm.

>>8112463
>I only play maps listed in the cacowards
Expand your horizons.

>>8112481
going for a chunky software look and this would be the only thing i'm missing

>>8112484
Where do you people get your wads?

>>8112538
idgames random

>>8112538
doomer boards

>>8112539
that's how i got a 1994 map which I basically stole the design from and turned into a modern map.

>>8112463
What are some maps with good gameplay that got thrown in the trash? Help them get more exposure!

>>8112601
If nobody cared back then, nobody will care now.

>>8112357
*duke nukem voice* heh

>>8112357
By using the DNF Duke you killed the thread.

>>8112463
You're trying way too hard to fit in, and convert insufficient experience into some kind of forum renown. I hope you're not the same person who thought there's a real need to put some basic popular YouTube videos in the OP post.

you can't even make good looking maps in doom so "doom community only cares about graphics and not gameplay" is retarded from start

>>8112762
>you can't even make good looking maps in doom
play more maps

>>8112760
no i'm some dumb faggot who works months on gameplay focussed maps, but then gets fucked over by both shitposting retard mappers and autistic slaughtermappers with billions of light effects.

>>8112769
Post your shit, mang.

>>8112463
This.

>>8112790
He's wrong though, mongo.

Halloween Request: XDeath for the white skeletons, so if you do enough damage to gib these guys then their bones go flying in different directions, ideally with xylophone noises.

>>8112775
You know as well as I do that the moment I reveal myself i'm going to be the assclown of /vr/ for the rest of the month.

>>8112769
post map

>>8112801
That's hilarious, but we're going for a more "gothic" and dark theme here, I think.

>>8112810
Well, what if we don't do xylophone noises?

>>8112805

>>8112805
Then stop moaning about it.

>>8112814
Then I would suggest it just turning to dust, maybe have the skull stay intact and sit on top of the pile.

>>8112828
That's not as impactful as seeing bones scatter though. Maybe the torso turns to dust while the limbs don't?

>>8112463

>If you even dare to make it non-Boom compatible you are instantly removed from the genepool, too.

I make shit zDoom compatible specifically because I don't want that crowd of neckbeard faggots playing my stuff.

I have no problem with people using their favourite port, I have no problem with people who prefer mapping in a certain format or whatever, to each their own. But if your entire reason for rejecting a whole vast chunk of the community's content is literally just source port autism, then I feel it's safe to assume the rest of your opinions are equally skewed by petty hipster bullshit too.

I don't know what they're afraid of, but it's their own loss that they'll never play an amazing wad like Lullaby just because "ew, zDoom". I don't understand it, so I leave them to it.

TL;DR Ignore DoomWorld faggotry. Make what you like and play what you like.

>>8112805
>being this unconfident about your mapping skills
ngmi

>>8112890
>Lullaby
Is it actually fun to play, or it's another pretty-looking slaughtershit whose author can't even beat it himself?

>>8112358
I fucking gave up
https://voca.ro/1aB5aLFD2CiG

>>8112769
hello, based department.

>>8112904

Why don't you try it? Here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/41qzogejzg6a9vx/Lullaby.zip?dl=1

I think it's fun and well designed, and the visuals enhance the experience.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/rainbow-six-black-ops-20
Sick ass Rainbow Six Rogue Spear mod released that combines all the missions of the original games and even translates the Korea exclusive R6 game Take Down.

>>8112926
Sorry, I don't play ZDoom trash.

>>8112936

Well, that's nobody's loss but your own Anon.

It's never coming out is it...
https://www.moddb.com/mods/elementalism

>>8112950
That's great and all but ZDoom is not retro. Now please leave this board.

>>8112961
Boom-ers need to be gassed

>tfw I play zdoom wads no problem
>still claim and pretend to refuse to play them just to see that one tard anon seething

does anyone even make wads for zdoom instead of gzdoom anymore

>>8112972
Just report and hide

>>8112976
This. Report all off-topic ZDoom trash.

When designing a key hunt area, do you go by the number of rooms to pass through or by the time it takes to beat those encounters? Like, one room with a complicated fight would take more time than just busting through a bunch of zombiemen.

>>8112961
The first version Zdoom came out in the late 90s.

Extreme weapons pack, eat your heart out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsiPvyi5i3w

>>8112913
is this qump?

>>8112961
>Not retro
>it was even more popular back in the 90's and the early 00's than boom.

>>8112463
If you don't like it, contribute and make your own wads. It's useless to whine what other mappers decide to do with their maps, when you are free to do what ever you want. I'd love to play another vanilla map pack. What's keeping you from doing it?

>>8112810

>>8113017
>maps

>>8113014
The dopamine rush you get from releasing a map is a joke compared to something like an animation project. Not worth it.

"B-b-but ZDoom is retro", typed he while tears were running down his pubic hair-like beard. He tried to calm himself with a swig of Soilent, but unfortunately his calcium-deprived fingers were too tired after all that typing to twist off the cap. With a noticeable effort he pried himself off the pink gamer chair and started looking for bottle opener, walking quietly so as to not wake up his wife and her boyfriend.

>>8113018
There's already a rocket with Revenant legs.

Speaking of the custom monsters, make the pumpkin guy use sounds from decino's wad.

>>8113018
so what? that rocket with legs enemy, caco-lanterns and the blood written ''seethe'', ''fuck reddit'' midtextures shows some kind of silliness there anyway

Any doom mod for me I'm bored as fuck

>>8113050
Corruption Cards

>>8113046
Where's the "Z" in front of the "Doom"?

>>8113050
nobody told me about id

>>8112368
the knight's kneeling animation is borked

>>8113119
Did you download the updated knight.mdl?

>>8112358
[9-01] Zero Master releases demo pack, beats every UVMax record for Plutonia
https://youtu.be/oYVlPv5s8Uc [Open]

So I have this switch, which is split into two linedefs down the centre, for reasons.

Is there a way I can get them both to join/synchronise so this doesn't happen?

>>8113148
I still haven't found out how to make linedefs cross each other without generating a vertex, but if that split ends at the front of the switch you could also put a linedef 1u in front of the switch, put your texture and special there. It's a wee bit hacky, but I can't think of anything better. I am abusing midtextures in my map like crazy.

> i fucking love quake!
> exclusively plays call of duty or half life
This is what Doomers that exclusively play GZDoom sound like.

>>8113228

>>8112463
Troll the frustrated trannies in Doomw*rld, and the sad piece of shit named L*nguica will forever trace you if you try to crawl back.

Doomw*rld is the site that ruined Doom mapping. They are on the level of "what is your favourite red coloured monster on christmas eve play" low functioning transvestite autism.

>>8113050
UAC Military Nightmare

>>8113135
ty

>>8112805
You already are with your legendarily shit takes and generalizations

Making an unholy chapel and the mansion it belongs to.
Realized we need more windows and railings/balustrades/etc.

Why is DOOM on crispy better than on GZDOOM?
I never could play more than a bit of doom on gzdoom, but now I tried it on crispy and I'm hooked
Why am I like this?

>>8112927
This is sick anon. I remember one of the most fun times in lan in my life were me and a couple of friends playing the kosovo map over and over.

>>8113440
Because it has more SOVL.
But seriously I think the lowres look really just fits Doom more than modern highres hardware rendering with dynamic lighting. Although I've seen people being able to make GZDoom look like Crispy but with dynamic lighting which is admittedly really beautiful.

>>8112890
>I don't know what they're afraid of

They're the Doom equivalent of guys who only ever drink Bud or Coors. They're afraid that if they try something different, they might like it.

>>8113457
I won't drink your frilly shit dude get over it

>>8113440
>Crispy
>not Chocolate

>>8113440
Try modern prboom forks like DSDA or our very own autist developed FDWL. FDWL just added crispy resolutions.

>>8113026
Then stop complaining, if you don't even contribute old school style maps yourself. You are part of the problem, that you complain about.

>>8113485
yes

quick question:
does pallet and colormap work the same in DooM and Quake?
color mappings are obviously different, but I am wondering if I can edit them in the same way

How do fix spectres in GZDoom? No matter what fuzz setting I use they look like this.

>>8113545
Change
>Display options - Hardware Renderer - Fuzz Style
Not
>Display options - Use Fuzz Effect

>>8113574
It was actually the opposite. The hardware renderer option is what I was trying but the other one worked.

>>8112762
There are some good looking maps out there but I mean, it's doom man. The game where in the original if someone was below an edge you couldn't walk forward lol.

>>8113140
god, why are these maps so ugly?

>>8113628
They look amazing compared to Doom 2 besides the Inmost Dens.

>>8113140
what the fuck are those midis, it doesn't even fit with the maps at all.

>>8113641
Not Plutonia, but in TNT I bet that truck from that one level blew so many gamers' minds back then

I've been having mapping block for weeks, so I tore down the old cursed office cubcles on my map and replaced with something more open. I think now it'll go smoother.

>>8112360
how's your halloween map(s) going lads?
I haven't started yet because i feel kinda uninspired atm

>>8113050
Project brutality

>>8113645
Plutonia MIDI Pack, it's supposed to give unique music to every level since Plutonia doesn't have any music that isn't used in Doom 2.

>>8113628

Plutonia is by far the best official iwad in terms of both visuals and design.

Romero's work in KDITD is the only iD content that comes close.

>>8113660
Comment on my >>8113407 because everyone else was busy with sourceport autism.

>>8113664
TNT > Plutonia midi pack

>>8113656
Duke nukem got released the same year

>>8113538
The quake and doom wiki have pretty good info about both. The original software renderer for quake is restricted to 256 colors just like doom but unlike doom it uses a colormap with 64 brightness levels. The doom colormap also uses the final 2 rows for invulnerability, which quake obvioulsly doesn't have. Most gl quake ports also treat the final two rows of the palette as fullbrights since hardware rendererers can't get that information from the colormap.
You could likely edit the pallete the same way but the colormap is really not like doom.

>>8113684
TNT is really good. Many tracks are just better versions of the originals. TNT's default midis can get a little grating sometimes.

>>8113407
Looks a bit empty especially on the second screen, but it's probably mostly because it's still in the making. I'd add a bit more height variation in the second room, by that I mean making some parts more elevated near the walls and the stairs while the room is lower in the middle of the room.

>>8113703
thanks I have been reading through quake wiki and what I am really struggling with is colormap, I am unsure if I should edit this or leave as is, but if I decide to leave it and edit just the palette, will my changes be ignored?

>>8113717
Yeah, just started out with them. Usually I make one room after the other, but I needed to get a sense of space for them. The chapel at least will get some benches, though I want to keep it rather calvinistic.
The main hall just has the general layout down, there will be much more to be added, but thanks for the input.

How do pain states work in Quake? What's the condition to trigger it? I don't really understand QC sources, only found line telling monster to get stunned less often on Nightmare.

>>8112360
>>8113407
looking forward to seeing more, I think this is the most open indoor space we've seen for the project yet.
>>8113659
I like this combo
>>8113660
map03 anon here, it is going quite well. I'm more than satisfied with the current art, so I'm not waiting for anything new to be added. I have run into some kind of mental block around the final room though, we'll see how it goes.

>>8113743
>I think this is the most open indoor space we've seen for the project yet.
Don't worry, it will get more cramped :^)

>>8113731
Depends on the monster. There's a simple check in damage.hc to run monsters' th_pain function when hurt, and more detailed checks in said functions.
Monsters have a pain_finished timer. So they have a short period where they cant be stunned again after flinching. Some have a random chance to ignore pain.

>>8113764
>hc
Meant qc of course. hc is Hexen 2's extension for qc files.

What's your guys opinion on doom 64 retribution?

>>8113726
You mean editing the palette while leaving the default colormap? As far as I know colormaps are only needed by software rendering ports, which are pretty rare and unpopular for quake these days. However, there might be some mechanism I don't know about that pulls info from it in an attempt to emulate software more closely. I've never replaced the quake palette myself so you'll just have to try it.

>>8113645
I think the midis are good, but yeah. Too many of its midis completely change the mood of the level compared to the original.

>>8113447
>Although I've seen people being able to make GZDoom look like Crispy but with dynamic lighting which is admittedly really beautiful.
I like that a lot actually. Something a little chunky, pixel wise, but with palettized dynamic lights.
Only problem is that brightmaps don't work in the software renderer. You can use the tonemapping to try and mitigate that, but if your wad uses a custom palette it'll look off to varying degrees.

>>8113764
Thanks, figured it out. So it involves RNG, like Doom. Huh, I always felt enemy stuns in Quake are fairly consistent.

>Drown in Blood
What is the purpose of this wad? Like, why?

>>8113874
Just another GZDoom cacoward bait trash. Ignore it.

>>8113896
Its probably better than any thing you will ever do in your life.

>>8113906
What if I'm the guy that made Lilith?

>>8113874
What's the purpose of anything?

>>8113912
Lilith was a pile of shit.

>>8113874
I assume from the name the purpose of this wad is to die from various liquids, primarily blood, entering your lungs.

>>8113874
I remember it being somewhat popular for non-survival coop on Skulltag with eweps, a mod that amounted to sv_fastweapons 2 and sv_infiniteammo 1 as a DEHACKED patch. Real brainless slaughter where you just kill a shitton of demons until you get bored of the architecture, not comparable to the more recent "combat puzzle" type of slaughter.

>>8113660
>I haven't started yet because i feel kinda uninspired atm
I have ideas, but I have no experience actually turning the ideas into reality using a map editor, aside from the extremely-well-received death-exit map 16 from HFFM. Perhaps more than one Anon can work on a map together?

My current favorite idea is, a map centered around the gimmick of collapsing stairs and platforming, like the Mines of Moria escape sequence in LOTR. Collapsing stairs room will be a giant black void, contrasted with cramped caves that serve as rest breaks from the collapsing stairs parts

>>8113906
Not an argument.

>>8113874
lol git gud

>>8113973
>a map centered around the gimmick of collapsing stairs and platforming
>platforming
Nah, it's ok, please don't do that for a community project I have to test maps for.

>>8113992
Well, by platforming, I meant that you have to jump across preexisting gaps in the stairs, like in the movie. I wasn't going to include any required SR50s until reading your comment.

>>8114004
>I wasn't going to include any required SR50s until reading your comment.
You're one cheeky cunt. I mean, I know what you meant, I have seen the movies, but still. Platforming is just, ehhhhh.

Why does TNT map 14 have teleport lines on two sides of the big lava pool with the crushers in multiplayer?
Do casuals can't run fast enough?

>>8113660
>E1M1 but ты пoтepялcя в лecy at 4AM

Are there any complete metroidvania TCs or mods?

>>8114098
Vomitorium except it's apparently failed at being metroidvania

>SIGIL_instructions.txt
>INSTALLING GZDOOM

>>8114127
thats right Romero says
>gzdoom is the way it was meant to be played.
but only for sigil lmao

>>8114157
>>8114127
>he doesn't play Sigil on DOS
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103430-sigil-v121-new-romero-megawad-released/?page=88

>>8114160
the funniest thing when Sigil came out was Romero said on twitter or some where
>Sigil was designed with no jumping, do not jump
and the like graphical ads on his website for sigil was someone playing it with project brutality lol,
I actually still haven't even played Sigil, really should. Played through the first and second levels. Then just never played it again for whatever reason.
Its only 9 levels

Trying to do railings. How do you people do railings on stairs? This is the only texture I could find at all that I could put there, but it's clearly no railing, and it's obviously clashing with the balustrade. Nevermind the pillar, that's just a placeholder texture there.

Also, I would like to kindly request a smaller version of the OCF_50_1, or any other angel/saint texture, if possible. >>8112360

>>8114239
I find a texture that has an element the width of the stair and just have it tier along with the stairs

>>8114250
yeah this

>I'll have a triple double megawad deluxe, on a gzdoom, extra slopes and episodic style, with MODELDEFS and ZScript, light framerate, make it slow, charge for it, and let it break next gzdoom update

>>8114382
better than using DSDA Doom. That shit makes DNS connections to like 15 different websites.
Now why would a Doom source port need DNS connections?????????????????????????????????

>>8114382
We make mods here, sir.

>>8114394
Don't worry impward, I got his order right here

>>8114407
You forgot the price tag.

>one guy unsuccessfully trying to bait up a source port autism argument all day long

Fucking hell mate get a life.

>>8114426
But... I know I put the price tag on it! It should be right there next to the 10 page farewell!

>>8114250
Can you give an example? I am too tired and unimaginative right now to be able to visualize it.

Also, I have a really fucking weird issue. I am using this door texture; in the editor it looks normal, no alignment change whatsoever because it just fits right in.
In-game it now looks like there was a vertex in the right half of the linedef. The linedef is a single outside border linedef.
The peculiar thing here is that I have three doors like that and they are ALL doing this, so I suspect it could be a problem of the texture itself. Is that possible? Also, it has a really annoying stray pixel in there.

Why do so many Doom projects use this Bakers Legacy pack thats mostly ugly recolors of Heretic/Hexen textures and uncredited rips from Hexen 2

>>8114456
What's the size of the texture?
The go to the textures lump in slade, and take a screenshot.

>>8112975
I only use gzdoom if I need gzdoom funtionality

>>8114502
In the editor it's 96x128 and it seems to be that size anywhere in the wad.
I also thought it might have been something with the nodes and rebuild those, but to no avail.

>>8114529
I dont think textures can be 96 px wide in vanilla/boom.
What format is your map?
iirc textures have to be 8,16,32,64,128,256...

>>8114550
Ah well shit, so that must be it. Yeah, it's MBF21.

>>8114127
CHAD SETTINGS

>>8112360
Sorry I was absent these days because too much irl work, plus working on some sprites and commissions so I hadn't time to check out /vr/ lately, but i'm here now.

>Inb4 if I fixed the Otex textures
No, sorry about that.. just wait a little longer.

Anyway. >>8108317
I like the two first bottles sprites but one of them should have a different color tho, the last one looks kinda weird. I guess the bottle stopper needs to be a bit bigger. maybe a skull-shaped stopper would be awesome.

I noticed some anons wanted more medieval items or something like that but I think It's too excesive at this point, I'm thinking to keep the Armor/Mega-armor original sprites. a bit of variety would be better like someone else suggested a gasmask for the radiaton suit sprite.

Well, any suggestions/ideas, claiming, questions, whatever. Please reply to the Anchor post so I can't miss them.

Also, here's a WIP of the Demonic staff that i'm doing. (Plasma gun replacement) hope you guys like it.

>>8114705
I don't like replacing weapons.

I've played a fuck load of 90s Doom wads, both good and bad. Can anyone recommend me some vintage Quake maps and mods? I've gone through quaddicted via quake injector and sorted by date but I'm looking for standout releases. I'll kick it off myself with Anaconda, a tie in for the official movie - https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/anaconda.html

>>8114705
Looks badass

Where does GZDoom keep the LUT it uses for tonemapping?

>>8114705
staff looks sick as hell, but the hand and arm looks a bit wonky imo.

>>8114580
NOOO NOT MUH ARTISTIC VISIONS
WE GOT TOO COCKY PIXELBROS

>>8114751
I used my hand as a reference.

>>8113919
Sure Graf, whatever you say.

what mod can i download so i can double jump and climb ledges?

also like how do i fix my hud so its bigger or like whats a cool mod for that

>>8114705
yeah that arm looks a bit weird, it's like the Heretic staff where actually trying to hold it that way would be extremely painful

how do i defeat the barens at the end of e1 (ultimate doom) (mod: brutal doom v21) (difficulty: ultra violence)

is there some gun that Im missing? I picked up rpg and gL but a heckin bunch of spectres spawn and get in my way. the barons have like 3000-4000 health each

additional info: I play with high sensitivity and usually keep run toggled

>>8114840
To be fair, the centered perspective is rather awkward for this.

With all the ATI TruForm posting recently, does anyone know of a way to get it working in Return to Castle Wolfenstein? Asking for no particular reason...

>>8114850
I suppose staff weapons with visible hands will look weird regardless unless you angle them, but that'll probably throw people off. You could maybe use the HacX staff as reference, where the hand is closer to the bottom of the screen and the arm is more straight. It still looks a bit strange, but not as much.

>>8112463
Look at this bitch.

>>8113660
Too well. I might have caught magnum opus syndrome....

>>8114705
it looks pretty fucking good, put it in the project.
don't even listen to those autists looking for logic for absolutely no fucking reason

>>8114841
Stay on the lift and chaingun the spectres down. When they're all dead then run through the middle of the two closets and it's business as usual. Alternatively, you could just charge through the middle with the chaingun never letting go of the trigger and put your back to the corner that's straight across the lift. The trigger for the closets opening is crossing the line that leave the platform. So as long as you stay there and keep your back to corner and put down the spectres you'll have an easier time with the barons.

>>8113660
I've got a good idea sketched out in my head, but I just haven't gotten around to starting.

>>8114921
You're right, the sprite work is absolutely top-notch but there's always some retard here shitting someone else hard work.

>>8114456
The texture is the wrong width, this can be fixed by adding the missing difference, even if you just add a block of black to one side.

>>8114705
Looks great, anon. I wouldn't mind seeing this in the project at all.
If I had to change the color for one of the potions, it would probably be the Health Bonus. It would make more sense for it to have a similar color to the original sprite. As for the other potions, I'm working on some variants for them using on a variety of ideas posted here. You can pick which ones would be best suited for the project from there.

So I'm working on a mapset with a gothic-y, semi-fantasy theme. Anyone know a good melee weapon I can throw in as a chainsaw replacement?

The rest of the guns are fine, I'm just gonna do some relatively subtle sprite edits to make them look a bit more "steampunk" instead of sci-fi, and then hey presto it's magic instead of plasma, etc.

>>8114705
Looks sick as fuck, make flashes come out of the eyesockets when it shoots.
Arm looks odd and fat, but honestly this sprite is so big that you're just not gonna fit all of it in frame.

>>8114841
>>8114926
I'll upload a video to youtube real quick showing a pistol start with fast monsters in a few minutes. It's quite easy and everything you need is already in the map.

>>8114889
no one cares autist, even doom sprites has too many mistakes in weapons and perspective as well

>>8114841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPEsx0WuOw
There you go. It's easier to see than to explain with text. Also, Barons only have 1000 hp.

>>8114705
Absolutely good, make the projectiles red, change the annoying fire sound and it would be perfect

>>8115046
for brutal doom v21 its 4000 however
https://youtu.be/mDTFhUwZRMI

>>8115150
>brutal doom v21
My bad for my ignorance.

>>8114098
Unloved

>>8114841
click brutaldoom.wad and ctrl+D

>>8112463
This is obvious bait. But because I'm easily baited, even "Cacoward Bait" is varied.

Lullaby
Heartland
Tarnsman's Projectile Hell
Micro Slaughter Community Project
Intergalactic Xenology 2
Auger;Zenith
Nameless
Doom 2 in Spain Only
Time Tripper
Enceladus

Are hardly all the same shit.

>>8115087
What sound do we use? I really like the raygun sound from HFFM.

>>8114705
Interesting. Have you made other weapons before?

>>8115270
really? that sounded like shit desu

Any shitwads going on this evening?

>>8115287
Nah man, it sounded like a constant flowing stream of laser/plasma.

>>8114883
find a way to wrap OpenGL into direct3d DLL's

>>8112358
As a heads up, vrskins is taking submissions again
>>8115298
Seconding

>>8115150
Only the E1M8 barons have 4000 health. The rest of the barons are normal.
Episodes 1-3 have new boss fights, not sure about 4

>>8115298
I think he's busy with his porn mod.

>>8115268
Heartland first mention

>>8115327
Based and coompilled.

>>8115264
but i like the fast paced nature of it though

>>8114841
Shoot them in the face
This was disgusting by the way, in every way

>>8115298
>>8115321
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED
>https://youtu.be/pirE2X2fAIE

>>8115327
My progress on that has been slow as fuck lately. Just haven't gotten any decent ideas. So I might as well shitwad for a bit.

>>8115321
Is pumpkinhead already in vrskins? Maybe its taunt can be decino saying "freaking scammed"

>>8115362
It's not. If you want to compile a wad and send it our way, have at it!

i found e1m9 :>

it was so awesome sauce

I was like *pew pew pew* (sound my assault rifle makes)

and then I was *BOOM* (shot a barrel)
ans then I was like *BAM* (shot a pinky in the face with my shotgun)

and then I was like *inaudible death noises* (i was shredding pinkies with my chain gun)

it was so epic

>>8115382
Your parents were too old when they had you

GZDoom is not retro. Jumping is not retro. Crouching is not retro. Mouselook is not retro. Crosshairs are not retro. Nigga sneed seened nigger tranies tranyn tranny trannies sneed nigger

>>8113660
MAP14 anon here
currently trying to figure out how to get a trap working
plan is to have the player enter a graveyard, at which point the graves rise to reveal skeletons

>>8115390
but i like crouching, jumping, mouselook, brutal doom v21 and (normal) amounts of blood though

t.dont know how to enable crosshairs but at this point im going to stick with them off 2bh

So with Dimension of the Machine being pretty fucking rad if you could pick one retro FPS except Doom, Duke or Quake to get a new semi official addon which game would you pick, I'd pick Turok 1.

>>8113660
Map11 anon, making progress

I play Wolf3D with freelook enabled.

>>8115438
Is that even a thing?

>>8115382
based time traveler

Reminder it should sound like this
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nSNRUlhebcA
Not like this https://youtube.com/watch?v=8VKmAOk_Kbg or https://youtube.com/watch?v=A073rtv6Ce4

>>8115389
The vast majority of autists are had by women under 30.
ofc women under 30 have more kids than women over 30.

>>8115359
As promised

Does anyone have a working link for this mod? I wanna check out the qtest stuff.

https://quakeone.com/forum/quake-mod-releases/works-in-progress/7094-unnamed-mod

>KexQuake will forget its own pre-made config/aliases when using Simple Quake Launcher or using command line parameters

Is there a workaround for this? I don't want to manually type everything for each map

>>8115776
this
tried to install quake rally and not only did it not work but it completely raped all my bindings and physics

>>8115359
Shitkino
https://gamejolt.com/games/zero_horizon/251873

>>8115359
https://strawberryoctii.itch.io/memoirs-of-magic

>>8115359
kdizd for a future suggestion, it's got its reputation for a reason
and if you want more tormenter after, then utnt

>>8115827
Jesus christ, don't make him play that. It's not even about the furry shit, the balance is utterly fucked in that game, and the dungeons are godawful.

>>8115359
Alright, we all agree that Plutonia 4 is mindnumbing and there's nothing new or interesting to see in it. Post ur shitkino in this bread and I'll remember it for the next stream.

Also, I guess I can post this too. Don't open it if you're at work or some shit, I don't want to get you in trouble.
>https://files.catbox.moe/lj3emx.png

>>8115832
he streams shit mods for a reason anon

>>8115838
Yeah, I get that. But that's a complete ballache of a game.

>>8115834
>Goblin Shortstacks
This may appeal to me yet.

>>8115848
The bimbomancer targets goblins and transforms them into goblin bimbos, increasing their health, speed, damage and ass size.

>>8115834
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/70882-archie-release-1/

>>8115852
hot

>>8115637

>>8114580
>No dynamic lighting
>No bloom effect
>No HD textures
Romero would never

What the fuck were they thinking with this generic POS design? Literally hurts my enjoyment of the game because the character behind the hands you see looks like a random NPC. Holy shit.

/vr/os, have any of you played the Doom Japanese Community Project? I'm currently going through it and it's great, but holy fuck are some of the traps they put in are nasty.
>Get home from work and want to clear some maps before turning in.
>First map I get into has a section in which two archviles have a clear and long line of sight on you and the only cover is swarmed with hitscanners
>Another map has narrow fucking ledges and no cover. They put 2 pain elementals, 6 chaingunners taking potshots from far away and 4 Revenants at the end only for them to repeat that and put in two archviles soon after.
>Final map of the night has a crowded arena with a shit ton of mancubui and hell knights with 10 revenants on top spamming homing missles. They then proceed to spawn 4 pain elementals who are protected so they make a million lost souls to block your rockets when that is the only weapon they keep giving you ammo for.
The level design is great, but holy fuck these japs are evil.

>>8114705
The sprite itself looks good, but you said yourself that the medieval stuff might become too excessive and it looks too much like that Heretic stuff imo. I liked the gas mask more "modern" ideas, like why not go victorian or later? That way you could also have a bigger variety than just "skull stuff", for example something egyptian themed some adventurer might have brought to England or so. Head of Anubis, a jackal's head that shoots death rays, or maybe some kind of portable tesla coil, kinda like Blood's, but actually looking like a tesla coil.

>>8114705
i really like it, but there's something wrong with this wrist.

cl_maxpitch 80
cl_minpitch -70

is this the correct viewlimit for quake, or is it 90 instead of 80?

>>8115392
I don't think that's possible in Boom. Maybe make it so that the graves rise before the player can look into them, so you just make a pit and put the skelly in there.
If you want to have the player to be able to walk around the graves before it happens, no idea.

>>8116193
actually it seems like it's 70 -70, matches just about perfectly with winquake

>>8115392
>>8116196
assuming its boom format and you want player to walk on top of the graves before skellies come in you could do a sequence when player leaves the area:
>player does graveyard shit where they can walk on top of the graves
>player leaves area and triggers skelly setpiece
>all graves lower by 128 units to hide skellies with help of a dummy sector outside of playable area
>teleport skellies into the graves using conveyor, this way you dont have to alert them beforehand and spoil the surprise
>when player re-enters the area, raise the graves to original level again

>>8115392
>>8116196

Maybe you could have the graves be empty at first and just teleport them with silent teleport actions in before they're supposed to rise. But if the player isn't supposed to be able to enter the area before the skeletons appear, then you could simply have them rise out of the floor, you might want to read about the instantly raising floor trick too.

>>8115427
Shadow Warrior

>>8116276
Deadly Kiss when?

Rank the build engine trinity in these categories:
Gameplay
Difficulty (hardest, best curve, whatever)
Main Character
Level Design

>>8116295
MC and Level Design Duke is the best, Difficulty Blood is definitely the hardest, imo it's straight up not possible to play the harder ones without save scumming or having the knowledge of where the enemies are
Lo Wang's lines are the most memorable imo but Duke is still a better character

>>8113046
HFFM2: Community Damage Machine

>>8116295
Gameplay: SW > Duke > Blood

Difficulty: Blood > SW > Douk

Main Characters: Duke > SW > Blood, but they're all great

Level Design: Blood > SW > Duke

Going to add soundtrack as a category: Duke > SW > Blood

>>8115427
Blood

>>8116332
Blood already has Death Wish and Blood 2 lol

Making a fireplace. I think it looks ok.

>>8116293
Are those faggots even still working on it?

>>8116347
It looks rad, could use more of a mantel though.

>>8116148
That's not how she looks in Ion Fury though

>>8116359
She looks exactly like that minus the helmet. I notice you didn't actually post an image because you didn't want to immediately disprove your own point lel.

She looks better on the Aftershock art.

>>8116354
>could use more of a mantel though.
True.

>>8116369
She would look a million times more appealing if they'd ditched the pants and just had her in a sexy armored leotard-type thing. So werid how they kept the tranny joke in the game but pussied out on her design.

>>8116364
She doesn't have half of those pads and straps either, the air is different and the colours are different; and it's exactly all that equipment that makes her look generic in that picture

>>8116369
>female main character
main reason why I most likely will never play this piece of shit

>>8116148
we were robbed of hard nipples

>>8116390
>>8116395
I too can't stand Alien, not enough boobs and too much feminist tranny pandering

>>8116352
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/9316-shadow-warrior-deadly-kiss-restoration-project/
Last update to the main post 14 Feb, last cause of activity in the thread one of the SillySoft guys stopping by and answering some questions.

>>8116386
NOICE
8/10 bonors

>>8116403
What are you mumbling about, shitbrain?

>>8116148
One of the big reasons that no one will be talking about that game in 5+ years. Images showing Shelly hanging out with the legendary trio are a bad joke.

>>8116403
It's not about just boobs for me, Ripley is a more interesting character. I enjoyed Ion Fury but it's not very memorable.

>>8116403
I liked the scenes where she's in her panties.

>>8116408
>Images showing Shelly hanging out with the legendary trio are a bad joke
Those are also usually using nuSW Wang design.

>>8116148
What do you mean, generic? She says "fuck" a lot, that makes her very interesting, quirky and funny character. I'm glad so many boomer shooters have taken the page out of her book, like Viscerafest or KUR.

>>8116447
Which is just bizarre; it's not like there's anything 'wacist' about his original design anyway.

>>8116453
>Viscerafest
Viscerafest's protagonist is mostly unhinged, partially an eldritch creature, and occasionally gushes about her fiance. That's more character than Shelley has.

>>8116453
Like they're just trying to be sad little Duke clones. Duke is pretty two-dimensional but it works for him because he was so mold-breaking at the time; frankly, if you don't have the balls to make a "badass" female character at least a little sexy then don't even fucking bother. At this point I eagerly await the bottom falling out of the 'retro shooter' market.

>>8116456
While I don't think there's anything wrong with racism, his old design was crazy racist. Like they can't decide whether he's Chinese or Japanese, his accent, many of his lines. This made him interesting, though, meanwhile nuWang's pretty much entire character is "makes penis jokes a lot".

>>8116396
her old designs were so great.

makes me wish we could have some insanely talented artists make a TC with full on cheesecake/beefcake designs
maybe something Rahan or Conan inspired?

>>8116460
Duke is two-dimensional, but he is also extremely over-the-top to the point of parody, and has planet-sized ego. As I said before, all classic trio characters have serious flaws to them, meanwhile Shelly just has potty mouth.

>>8116465
>there will never be a Conan-inspired fantasy Build game
>there will never be a blaxploitation Build game
>there will never be a Build game where you play as evil Russian
>there will never be a wild west Build game

>>8116470
Holy shit a blaxploitation build game could have been so fucking great. Thanks for making me sad about not having something that I didn't even know I wanted.

>>8116470
>there will never be a wild west Build game
What would you do to differentiate it from Outlaws?

>>8116475

>>8115834
Everytime brave anon answers the call, another kino wad appears....
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124406-the-gothic-megawad/
The quest never ends, you're destined to do this forever

>>8113148
None I can thin of. Why are they split at all?

The vestibule is slowly filling up, but I have no idea what else to put there. I would like to put a table somewhere, but since this is Boom and I hate midtex tables....

>>8115637
I think it would work a bit better if it wasn't completely filled to the brim, but had a bit of empty space in it.

>>8115427
Chasm: The Rift.
>>8116148
People are still crying about this petty shit? Shelly ain't perfect in Ion Fury, but she's not that bad and I would take her IF version (especially the one from cover art for both OG game and Aftershock) over Bombshell or whatever soulless concepts she had in the past.
It's also funny how they're talking about her being forgetable as a character while they still bring her up. I'm sure that's type of attention Selaco and other future shovelware can only dream about.

Anyway, both Star Trek: Elite Force games (and other titles from the series) are available on GOG now.
https://www.gog.com/partner/startrek

>>8116554
>a character-driven game's main character design is 'petty shit'
lel, nice try fucko. Everyone knows she's generic af.

>>8116554
>no klingon honor guard
to the trash it goes

>>8116554
>Chasm: The Rift.
No thanks, the one addon we got was bad enough.

which quakes are bad and which are good?

Which ones have good mods?

i heard there was a remaster to quake 1, but i dont see quake remastered on the steam store :/

>>8116470
>>8116474
>black dynamite fps never

>>8116575
all the good mods are for quake 1
not to say the other games have nothing to play, but the bulk of it is for q1

>>8116575
remember when quake live was free

>>8116575
>i dont see quake remastered on the steam store :/
>:/

>>8116456
>>8116462
I think his old design is fine, just a old ninja but his old voice is pretty racist but not in a mean way, 3d Realms were a bunch of nerds trying to make a game like old kung fu and ninja movies. Most of Wang's lines would be acceptable if you got like James Hong to voice him.

>>8115392
Map15 here, do you mind ending your map with a boat like this? Don't have to put the map exit on the boat, but maybe place it somewhere near, I'm planning to start my map in a docks like area with a boat nearby - this could add a nice sense of continuity. Of course if you had/have any better ideas for an exit then just ignore it

>oh hey, they're giving me a lot of freeze gun and shrinker ammo! I bet I'll have lots of chances to use them on this map!
>open a door
FUCK THESE THINGS

>>8116641
>toss a pipe
>shoot them as they fumble around it
Very polarizing enemy, these guys. At least they don’t hurt much, unlike coolies.

>>8116648
Does a pipe bomb sitting on the ground make them all fucky? That's good to know.

>>8116648
Coolies are at least easy and straightforward to deal with as long as you have rockets.

>>8112548
do you mean, remake terrible maps without losing the soul.

>>8112764
*play more terry wads

Lads, what are your thoughts on Half-Quake

Split joycon quake with motion controls is actually pretty damn fun.

>>8112703
He's really from q2 originally, and named Bitterman

>>8116616
someone should revamp the id maps

>>8116641
>>open door
close it back
easy

>>8112463
Looking at the cacowards, you're absolutely right. Not a single winner in the history of the awards that required something other than boom. Not even one.

>>8116665
What a waste! Shurikens kill them quick and make their death animations quicker so you don’t have to wait for a ghost.

>>8114580
>OSX
MACFAGS

>>8115354
>-16/4000
So THIS is the power of brootal dumb

What's your favorite vanilla gzdoom mod?

>>8116651
They’re programmed to avoid all explosives, so them attempting to go around a few pipes makes them sit and spin for a few.

>>8116710
that is pretty embarrassing to be desu

>>8116724
vanilla gzdoom as opposed to?

>>8116703
Rockets one-shot and gib them preventing the ghost altogether.

>>8116764
Yeah, and it’s a waste when the shuriken can get the job done and you can save the rockets for something more pressing.

>>8116482
Basically this. Outlaws is sinfully fucking ugly.

This is so stupid, but so funny.

Why does the double shotty in Quake feel so weedy? Not talking about it's effectiveness, more of a sound design issue.

>>8116783
Sounds fine to me.

>>8116156
I like it a lot. There's something subtly different about these levels that distinguishes them from western level design, but I can't put my finger on what.

>>8116779
I will not let this joke rest until we get a cage fight between Romero and Revae.

>>8116779
Don't take forced/doom/ memes outside of /doom/, anon. You're better than this.

>>8116783
Lack of reload animation.

https://www.moddb.com/games/wgrealms-2/downloads/demonthrone-100
Tell me about this.

>>8116779
Nah, it's stupid, but also cringe.

>>8114705
Looks cool, do you have any ideas for a BFG replacement?

>>8115392
That should be very easy to accomplish.
Just copy what is in Scythe Map16

>>8116834
But those graves are still open. I don't think he'd have a problem if he tried doing it that way.

Is this an appropriate place to talk about the doom source code or would that be better on >>>/g/?

>>8116840
?
The undefined textures make it appear as though it is closed, and then you have a linedef trigger to make them pop out.
There is no room over room in Doom, so you cannot close the graves without bringing the ceiling/sky sector all the way down to the floor.

>>8116779
Smite of disrespect is the better meme desu

This is what the graves look like in game. I would recommend making the skellies pop out long before you approach the graves, to prevent any problems that can arise like you actually falling in (if there is enough space like there is in Scythe map16) or the skelling punching you from -500 map units below

>>8115734
>pic
Makes me think of someone from the Shrek series.

>>8116879
>-500 map units
I think Erik put the monsters this low because if the revenants arms stick out of the sidedefs of the pit that he is in, and the pit is low enough that you can see, then you can actually see the arm pixels in the floor. Sunlust has a lot of examples of monsters rising out of the floor so maybe you can use that style instead.
Scythe uses a vanilla trick: the floor of the pit is told to go down, but its destination is above, so the floor moves instantly.
Sunlust uses Boom triggers to make the floor move much faster than it can in vanilla, but not instantaneous, so you can see the stuff rise out of the floor, it's much spoopier

>>8116575
>i heard there was a remaster to quake 1, but i dont see quake remastered on the steam store :/
Yeah, it's because Quake got a re-release instead that was added into the old package on Steam.

Anyway, I wonder what people here can say about level design/maps in these games:
>Quake (Including both Mission Packs).
>Both Hexen titles (Including their Expansion Packs).
>Daikatana.
What're your favorite maps from these games? What makes them work? Is there just a moment that might be not so great, but you still see its neat potential?
Of course, nothing stops you from bringing back any other game related to the thread. I'm just curious about these specific examples as I've tried to think about it a last couple of days... despite never playing Daikatana and DotDC + getting only through ~40% of Hexen 2 (Right now I'm at Thysis, damn it).

>>8116905
>Quake
Definitely more solid than the original Doom IWAD levels, I like the small size of them too. Haven't finished the mission packs yet but I'm currently playing Scourge of Armagon and I'm glad it has more techbase levels which is something I thought original Quake campaign needed more of. The final boss is a disappointment too but that's a common opinion anyway. I hate how dark some of the Sandy's levels in E4 are but I still like them.

>Hexen
It was one of my favorite old FPS campaigns on the first play, but despite the different classes it doesn't feel as fun to replay as other games due to the more exploration and puzzle based nature of the maps, once you know what to do in each map you're left with the combat alone and it's just not as exciting as Doom's or Heretic's combat.

>>8116905
>Quake
Solid level design all around, nothing like the city levels in D2 that hurt the experience.
>SoA
I liked it better overall then Quake orginal campaign, Levellord's levels stand out and it does a lot cool things with the engine.
>DoE
Haven't played it yet.

>>8116779
I swear the vast majority of steam forums is just people who browse 4chan.

>>8116905
>Quake
It and Plutonia may be my favorite regarding the "no-nonsense" style of mid 90s level design. They don't get as weird and big like some of Doom 2 and TNT's strangest areas, though I miss the exploration from some of Doom 1's best bits.
I got bored of Q1's second expansion, the first one was pretty good..
>Hexen
Haven't played much of the expansions, base game is pretty fun. Limited weapons and the chance of getting lost can be deterring, and I'm with >>8116950 in that I find it harder to replay these days; I played it like crazy on my PC and N64 back then.
>Daikatana
For better and worse I've yet to try this. Reminds me a bit too much of Blood 2 for some reason.

>>8116863
>The undefined textures make it appear as though it is closed
Shiiiiet forgot that. I apologize.

>>8117030
>For better and worse I've yet to try this. Reminds me a bit too much of Blood 2 for some reason.
Daikatana is a game that puts it's worst foot forward. Apparently it gets better as it goes, but man. Fuck that first level.

A comfy bedroom for sleeping well

>>8116834

Heh. I abuse this trick all over every single map I make because I was so proud to figure something out by myself without the internet telling me.

>>8117128
So how do you make bridges like that?

>>8117030
>For better and worse I've yet to try this. Reminds me a bit too much of Blood 2 for some reason.
Dai-Katana has this massively exaggerated reputation for sucking, which I think is a million times more deserved for Blood 2.
Dai-Katana has all these flaws, lots of bugs, AI companions which are bothersome as fuck, and a shit opening, etc. For the massive hype it had in its day, and for the state it released in, it sure is a stinker. However, once you wash off the feces, brush off the rust, stone down the rough and peened edges, etc, Dai-Katana really isn't a shabby game at all, you can fix this game and end up with a good time.

For Blood 2, I genuinely feel that the game is absolutely unsalvageable, it's not just really flawed in execution and obviously unfinished, it's a bad game in concept, you can't make this an enjoyable experience with some patching. I struggle to think of anything I like about Blood 2 at all.

>>8117134
Looks like midtextures to me.

I wanna make my own megawad
what do I have to do to win a cacoward?

>>8116685

Any suggestions of good mods + WAD combos? Currently trying Combined Arms + Going Down and LegenDoom & ColourfulHell + Maps of Chaos.

>>8117198
Demonsteele and Going Down
Really makes good use of the close quarters melee combat

>>8117162
Not chase clout

>>8117198
Sigil + D4V. D4V uses fancy vanilla-compatible brightmaps that only work in software mode. I'd recommend Crispy Doom, though if you do that, you'll be limited to Jimmy's MIDIs. If you want to use the Buckethead soundtrack you can use PrBoom or GZDoom

is there a fix for the replacement models looking too dark in the new quakespasm-spiked update?

>>8117134

Yeah, midtextures. But technically the midtexture is only a visual indicator.

In UDMF there's a line option for "walkable midtexture" and hey presto, it's a solid bridge with no extra fuckery needed.

In vanilla/boom etc you have to make the sector correspond to a dummy sector outside the map, and then make the linedef trigger a floor raise to the height of the bridge.

>>8113667
This. And Sigil is much superior to any official content bar NRFTL. They learned an awful lot in the 2010s about improving mapping standards. Most official levels outside KDITD and Plutonia are garbage tier.

>>8117307
That's weird as hell. Could it be something with the textures, or is it something weird with the models?
They're at least looking okay in regular Quakespasm.

This game's close to putting me into a cozycoma

>>8116470
>blaxploitation Build game
fuck i want this, especially in current year

How do I make a house with less square rooms?

>>8117376
use a less square engine

>>8117350
fuck shittr

>>8117350
Rekkr? more like Cokkr. lol

>>8116148
Because Doomguy and Ranger are bursting with personality.

>>8117389
cokkr's bad fur day

>>8117404
no (apparent) personality is preferable to a grating one
it's a character that you're stuck with for the whole game, if it can't be enjoyable then it should at least be inoffensive

>>8117404
The silent IdSoft protags compared to the three or four Build ones? Maybe that should've been a more appropriate route for them to take with her, but it's build so "it just HAS to" have a snarky chatty protag.
Praise the mute as it's otherwise pretty great, sans occasional crossbolt drifting.

>>8117415
not the guy you replied to but the meme personality doomguy got from comics, ala rip and tear, you got big guts etc is more annoying than no personality too

>>8116905
Quake is just all-around solid classic FPS level design. Even the Sandy Petersen maps are well-designed, besides the spawns. The expansions are both good, I especially like the ancient civilization themes in DOE.

Hexen has very unique level design. It has an open-ended labyrinth style like Doom 1 E2, but with lots of puzzles, traps, and very strange progression. The expansion has pretty much the same style since it was first-party, but they fucked it up by constantly spawning in Slaughtaurs.

Hexen 2 has pretty good level design. Its less bizarre and arbitrary than Hexen. And due to being on the Quake engine it has less open areas. But it has more cool traps and effects than Quake. They did a good job making the levels in the hubs unique so you can remember which is which. But a few of the puzzles are unfortunately prone to breaking, like the evil floor pads in Thysis.

The level design in Daikatana is fine. I cant remember ever really getting lost or frustrated. But it also doesnt particularly stand out. Its part of that post-Quake 2 era when FPS games were getting more linear, but not completely hallway-based yet.

>>8117376
Nice candy-cane.

>>8116462
>Like they can't decide whether he's Chinese or Japanese


Exactly anon, its like the kamikaze store in Bloodlines with a Chinese revolutionary inside. Its an amalgam of all things kung fu movie asian. ITS FUN.

You yourself probably dont know all the regional differences in asia, much less inside china.

The only shits who care about this "racism" are misanthropic little normie shits, that spit into their mouths and have very little idea of what china actually is. At once praising china while knowing zero about its history, or bashing it.

What a fucking non issue, cant wait for Chinese to start making western stereotypes in their media in more force. it will make japanese ones about the west sound glorious. We will talk about racism then.

In fact bring them on, mario is racist as well, everything is somehow fucking american trash politics. I am fucking tired.


Also where the fuck is Sin remastered?

>>8117415
Well at least they kinda recognized it and gave an option for a silent Shelly.


Lets all wait for other teams to make decent female protags right? Like Selaco right?

>>8116470
I would fucking cream my pants for an over the top, dinosaur riding, breast cups princess saving Conan parody in a build game, or any other game for that matter.

>>8117424
I think Powerslave struck a pretty good balance. Jon doesn't have a lot of lines, but he doesn't get annoying since they're brief and infrequent. He's not witty and he doesn't try to be, which is a lot more tolerable than trying and failing as badly as Shelly does.

>>8117515
Who could forget Powerslaveguy's classic line, ARGH! SON OF A BITCH!

>>8117526
He's pretty much just what Doomguy would be if they'd used a voice actor instead of stock sounds: pissed off most of the time, occasional moments of smug satisfaction.

>>8117526
Silent to mostly silent is ideal. Obnoxious with the option to turn it off is fine, acceptable. Obnoxious with no option is the worst.

>>8117435
i don't know what happened but the last two times i replayed hexen 2 (it was this year) it took me less than 60 seconds to solve that puzzle in thysis. i certainly approve of that.

Why is half life not fun?

>>8117575
You're not playing it on sven coop that's why

>>8117589
Clovr's hosting sven co-op thursday and friday, so are we gonna get /vr/ sven co-op going?

>>8117547
Honestly Shelly has some cool lines here and there. While sadly the rest is forced crap.
But to be fair looking at stuff coming out like selaco and supplice, she may yet shine besides that faggot ass mediocre char design.


Its not like male protags are better either. Hedon may be a homo futa world of warcraft fan fiction vomit but at least its different I guess.

>>8117596
Echoing what other anons said in this thread, it would've made sense for her to make lines related to her job as a cop. They had every opportunity in the world to make her say "I am the law" and they didn't, which makes no sense to me. As for her design, it's inoffensive. Too generic for me to get mad over.

>>8116554
>soulless

>>8117603
That would require good writing and soul. Shelly could have been greater than the trio. Or stand with them.


I am at least content the game looks gorgeous and plays well.


I would have loved if she was evil, kinda like Stupid cartoon evil like Elexis, and please have a better antagonist than that fucking old bald dude. I think he is worse than her.

>>8117575
opposing force has the fun enemies and weapons, you have to get through the first few maps however that are just half-life lite. blue shift has the better xen.

>>8117607
One could for example have this design even brunette, but with a police jacket, some skin here and there after getting damage, keep the armor peices like in the shoulds or legs\arms.

Shit man it could have worked.
The female rogue in hexen 2 looks great, we used to know how to do it.

>>8117603
>it would've made sense for her to make lines related to her job as a cop
POLICE BRUTALITY, COMING UP

>>8117125
Is that a baby midget's bed?

>>8117596
In the past few years, the only FPS characters I've genuinely enjoyed hearing came from Jon St Jon in that Postal thing and those dwarves. All the other recent attempts from the past several years have been embarrassing.
I'd say Lady Duke in D3DAA is the worst but that's from a mod that's not intended for sale.

>>8117575
Because you have shit taste

>>8112360
It seems that the Gargoyles are not affected by moving floors. Am I doing something wrong or is that intended?

>>8117632
that was stryker's starting quote from mk9 iirc, i liked it

>>8117404
Ranger and Doomguy are never fronted as characters with personality, compare to Shelly who has lots of voiced lines, and is presented as if she has personality, when she's in fact extremely bland and has nothing interesting or fun to say at all. It's less like Shelly was written as a character someone had an idea for, and more like she's voiced just to tick a box on a checklist, Duke is voiced so Shelly is.

>>8117343
if quakespasm and Spiked starts supporting bones and md5, that can be fixed.

>>8117691
Yeah, he's pretty much what my mind goes to when I think cop action hero.

>>8116950
>I like the small size of them too.
Yeah, I appreciate that too. Especially after going through all maps in Arcane Dimensions. Large maps are pretty cool, but playing through too many of those just makes you tired no matter how good (or enjoyable for you) they're.
Despite their size, I still like cheesing/speedrunning some levels (most notable, E1M6 and E3M6).
>it doesn't feel as fun to replay as other games
I'm on kind of slow Heretic/Hexen marathon and replaying the original game as Cleric (again) was pretty fun so far. Although I really should've went for other class, but it still feels overall nice.
>>8116978
I think all three of them are good in its own way, but SoA does have some good stuff that brings in some good variety to the mix.
>>8117030
>I got bored of Q1's second expansion, the first one was pretty good..
You know, after seeing many people talk about mission packs and me rushing through everything for dumb achievements... I think I see some points regarding DoE, but I wouldn't say I hate it. Perhaps the huge role in here plays the fact that I'm more into fantasy stuff (at least nowadays).
>>8117435
>Even the Sandy Petersen maps are well-designed, besides the spawns.
Same. Like his episode in spite of those bastards.
>fucked it up by constantly spawning in Slaughtaurs.
...oh.
>Its part of that post-Quake 2 era when FPS games were getting more linear, but not completely hallway-based yet.
I see. Just remember seeing a couple review of Daikatana at the time and people seen to enjoy Episode 3, so I was curious if anyone would say anything in particular about it.

Okay, thank you for all the answers. Just trying to work on my concept for a Quake mod and got kind of stuck with maps, so I figured that getting outside perspective would be great since I'm just kind of slow lately for no good reason.

>>8117526
It fucking works, brief and to the point, and only occasional. Jon has little to no personality to his character, but neither does Doomguy, and it's just fine.

>>8117596
idc if its different
hedon is still trash

>>8117737
Episode 3 was the medieval segment, right? Each episode has a totally different set of weapons and enemies. Episode 1's are absolutely horrible, episode 2 and 4's are just okay, and episode 3's are actually kinda fun. I think thats probably why people like it more, not because of the level design.

>>8117458
>Also where the fuck is Sin remastered?
>Last Record Update 3 September 2021 – 00:30:45 UTC (6 days ago)
Soon... Maybe.
https://steamdb.info/app/632950/
>>8117463
>Lets all wait for other teams to make decent female protags right? Like Selaco right?
Good luck with that. You might as well wait for Half-Life 3 or shit like since that's more likely to happen. lol
>>8117603
Actually would've been to see at least partial move in that direction in Aftershock (all this "Dredd talk" kind of grew on me), but we will see. Wouldn't get mad over it otherwise unless they somehow screw up really badly.
>>8117607
Yes. Thank you for proving my point with that this awful hooker concept art by eleven years old wanker.

>>8117748
>Episode 3 was the medieval segment, right?
Yep.
>Episode 1's are absolutely horrible, episode 2 and 4's are just okay, and episode 3's are actually kinda fun.
That's how I understand it when it comes to Daikatana. Actually thought about getting to play it at some point in the future, but still not entirely sure.