/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8088224
Bowser was fucking rad as a bad dude. The recent interpretations of him make him kind of lame.

I've always liked the Yoichi Kotabe artstyle that commonly appeared in manual art for Mario games after the GameBoy's release. It's a lot of personality that newer games seem to be missing, I think this sort of style faded shortly before the Wii. An older neighbor taught me how to draw by tracing the artwork in these manuals, perhaps some of the comfiest and deeply nostalgic memories I have.

>>8088237
Agreed. I honestly hated the way they tried to turn him into a comic relief anti-villain in the Mario RPGs.

>>8088252
I like how he was portrayed in Super Mario RPG, more of a brash bully that's full of himself and gets carried away, but means well for his troops and those he cares about. The dynamic of him begrudgingly teaming with or being friends with Mario makes him feel somewhat redeemable or likeable, that he's not constantly being a big jerk or being a bad dude just for the sake of it. I don't think any villain thinks of themselves as the villain, so I've always appreciated having his perspective put into view.

>>8088237
Totally. I hate the modern take on him so much.

>>8088248
Kotabe took Miyamoto's illustration for the first game and seamlessly developed it into a full-blown visual style. That's a fucking PRO at work right there.

I think the first Mario game that features his illustration work is SMB3 though, right?

>>8088248
man i wish someone taught me to draw.
i wish anyone gave a single shit about my development

>>8089085
That's a bonus, not a requirement anon. You gotta give a fuck yourself for your own self

>>8089087
naw its too late for that stuff now lets just enjoy the mario thread.
all i do is the millenial equivalent of someone sitting in front of a tv or radio all day

>>8089079
That's right. SMB2's characters were designed by the same guy who designed the Ice Climbers.

I want to be Mario

>>8090056
Koopa Troopas and such are so cute...

Any post 2000 cgi Mario is so soullees. This thread is 1000% S∆∆UL

>>8088248
Kotabe's Pauline from Donkey Kong '94's promotional art makes me hard.

>>8090056
Mario is downright vile in those images. Look at his face of pure twisted joy as he mercilessly beats those creatures, and in the bottom left he's even unleashing his pent up sexual frustration by fucking curbstomping a poor parabeetle.

>>8090056
Any one know specifically who the original artist for these are?
I'm certain this guy did SMB1's box art as well
Unless the bottom indicates it was a collab effort

I'm a couple of hours into Wario Master of Disguise and it 's pretty good. Kind of metroidvania-like. I just hate the stylus gameplay elements.

>>8091396
>I'm certain this guy did SMB1's box art as well
Wasn't the Mario 1 boxart done by Miyamoto himself?

>>8091341
You are mentally ill

>>8089085
stop crying bitch nigga

>>8091626
Sorry for not being a faggot.

>>8088224
Post more rare art

>trying to play through SMB with no warps and no game over
>keep getting filtered by 6-4 and then 7-4
I can't believe I beat this shit as a child but can't do it now as a grown-ass man

>>8089085
It has to be something you want to do. I already liked drawing, I already liked Mario. It's something that came about naturally from combining two joys. It doesn't help much to try and force something that simply wasn't meant to be. There's always something to learn eventually, even if you try to avoid it.

>>8091723
Easy. Look through lesser games like Game & Watch Gallery artwork or foreign comics.

>>8091506
I broke my original DS from how unresponsive and poor those stylus controls were. It's a shame there's a lot of good ideas there smeckled in with a lot of bullshit.

>>8091723
ok

bump

>>8091723
Luigi is looking at Mario like the casual he fucking is for farming lives

>>8089090
You have to start drawing or doing whatever else you enjoy. Don't give up. You can't give up on yourself.

Can this general be a regular occurrence?

>>8094268
I hope so, I have an autistic amount of knowledge on Mario. And I really look forward to the threads whenever Mario is even mentioned.

>>8094264
honestly this, "artists" always say you should read books and go to classes and stuff. That's all bullshit though, just draw and you'll get better with time.

>>8094286
Post little known autistic facts

>>8094292
Okay

In Mario 1, There is a single green cheep cheep that spawns outside of world 2-3. I think it's under the level so even if you were fast enough to "see" it, it would be off-screen. It's the only green cheep cheep in the entire game and it isn't even visible in game.

>>8088224
Is this an official thing now? Will you cunts segregate yourself to this containment thread from now on? Great

>>8094292
Another one

In SMB Lost Levels, the dark bluish Bowser is actually Bowser's brother according to various guides and books

>>8092034
>It's a shame there's a lot of good ideas there smeckled in with a lot of bullshit.
This was basically everything during the Wii/DS era. So glad it's over.

>>8091623
That's right. Miyamoto didn't have time to hire another artist to do the cover art before the game was scheduled to ship, so he drew the cover art himself.

>>8094301
>>8094327
Neat. Post more

>>8091723
This is drawn so clean it looks like it's official for some nintendo magazine. Is it? The format of the letters on the wall even ha

>>8092017
Nope. There's nothing to learn. I haven't learned a thing in my life

>>8094264
>>8094290
Yeah like chris chan right? Besides it's not about drawing specifically. I wasn't born with a heart to be passionate about anything or pursue something. If I have up on myself it was from childhood.

>>8094410
According to a 1993 Nintendo character guide, Yoshi's full name is T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas

>>8094410
Several music tracks from Super Mario Bros. were heavily inspired by the kind of music Mr. Koji Kondo listened to at the time. Here are just a few examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2la3MlJx3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy3qq7zc4EY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH5K6fm2C0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw049q22-hY

There are a few more, but these are the ones that most people talk about when talking about this

>>8094410
iirc, the japanese text in world 9-4 and world 9-1 spell out "arigato" or "Thank You" in English. Apologies if this is wrong or mistranslated, I know very little about the Japanese language.

>>8089085
i do

Continuing to lurk for more autistic facts

>>8094502
unfortunately, I am going to bed soon, I have work in the morning but I will be back, assuming the thread is alive. perhaps there is another autistic mario fact enjoyer in this thread? good night my friends, till we meet again

>>8094572
but before I do, in Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time, there are hammer bros that speak in leetspeak.

>>8094587
i thought that was a hack at first

>>8094587
Best Mario RPG.

>>8094453
Not that Anon but Loving your trivia fren. Autism is a blessing

I hope this thread is up tomorrow when marioautist returns

>>8094473
nah u right

>>8094301
Is it actually meant to be green or is it palette fuckery

Do you like to pretend that the Mario universe is connected to a lot of other games? Donkey Kong Country is already obvious, but what about Banjo-Kazooie? Is it all interdimensional travel or do they actually exist in the same world?

>>8091723

>>8094647
i had to actually look on the mario wiki to make sure it was real
>>8094651
yes
>>8094657
thank you fren, glad someone can appreciate it
>>8094896
I am here! I have to go to work in an hour, but I'll post what I can.
>>8094992
Yay! Google Translate was giving me weird results so I wasn't entirely sure.
>>8095357
I'm almost certain it was meant to be green, but I was wrong about something. Apparently you can see it in-game, but only by using cheats. https://twitter.com/Eden_GT_/status/1326442788817268738

In Super Mario Advance, The SMB2 remake for GBA. There are multiple additions to the game to make it easier or show off the GBA's power. One change that I find was kind of unnecessary and weird was in World 5-2. There's a jar you can go down and in the jar is a weird bouncing blue door. It hurts the player if you touch it and you can even kill it with a star. I thought it was strange as a child and it turns out it's a blade enemy unique to this game. It hasn't appeared since. (And no, it's not the blades from Yoshi's Story, the Mario Wiki specifically states they are two different things)

https://www.mariowiki.com/Bouncing_blade
https://www.mariowiki.com/Sword

There is a street named "Avenida de Super Mario Bros" or Super Mario Bros Avenue in Spain. (It might not directly translate, but I think it's close enough"

>>8095618
no problem. i’m not fluent in japanese or anything but it’s weird that it’s written in katakana (which is usually for loan words) as opposed to hiragana (which is used for japanese words, which “arigatou” is.

bumpin for more facts

damn you /vr/ I want more autism

The 1986 Japanese choose-your-own-adventure book "Another Romance of Super Mario Bros." is unique in that a license was obtained only for Mario himself, but not for any other elements of the franchise; leading to him starring in a story with original medieval fantasy characters.

>>8096702
I want this super mario rpg sequel

In 1994, A mario course design program was patented almost 20 years before the release of Super Mario Maker

Mario's jumping sprite in smb1 has a transparent pixel. This is most likely not a mistake because the other hand has the details colored brown

Amada Anime Series: Super Mario Bros, is an obscure japanese-only series of animated stories. In one of these series, Super Mario Momotarō, Mario is seen with a bandana with a peach emblem on his forehead, and holding a gun. Even at one point holding the gun up to Bowser. There is a bunch of weird shit in this one series alone, but I won't spoil it for you.

>>8097001
*This most likely WAS a mistake

>>8097056
Wow wtf. And ofc exaggerative American moms don’t want their kids to witness this. Mario with a gun looks badass but OOC imo

>>8091723
mario fact autist here, I will dump some of my collection, (i dont know how i didnt see this post sooner) If anyone is into this stuff and wants to collect it, this is the biggest archive of old mario artwork I've seen on the internet so far.

https://www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Mario_artwork_and_scans

>>8097338

>>8097342
This specific art was reused on the box art of Super Mario Advance 2

>>8097352
One of my favorites, what do you think Mario's favorite board is?

>>8097354
The image on the left appeared on the box art of Super Mario Advance 1, slightly altered to match his current overall colors (blue overalls and red undershirt)

>>8097428
oh and the eyes were changed a little and there are only two sweat tears on the SMA box art instead of three here, just noticed lol

angry Peach

Oh hey, there are other Mario fact autists in this thread.
Anyways, here's a fact. The Invincishroom from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga ended up becoming an actual power-up several years later in Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker.

>>8097354
>what do you think Mario's favorite board is?
/ck/ or /diy/

>>8089085
dude ffs do you even realize how much almost every artist has to teach themselves? hint: fucking most of it
quit sounding like a bitch, pick up a pencil, and start tonight.

p.s. artists who wasted money at art school are fucking losers and could have easily been just as good if they taught themselves. The only advantage of art school is having peers that can lend valuable critique and suggestions.

>>8097956
Nah you don't get it

>>8098091
What don't you get? everything he said was absolute truth

So who the heck was Plum?
She just popped up in a Mario spin off and disappeared completely.
And there's about nothing on her character description.

Luigi didn't stand a chance

>>8098106
Of all the Camelot OCs she's the one that fits the most in the Mario World. Her name is even a fruit like Peach's. She should have been reoccurring, even if only in the Mario Golf games.

mario was a WWII veteran from the pacific theater

Mario runs into a fed on the /a/ board while looking for loli

>>8098118
You jest but he actually did enlist in the Vietnam War

>>8098129
NO Mario prefers khazar milkers

>>8098152
Shoot, I forgot about that game

>>8098163
>MARIO NO
We can only hope he later converted to Islam or something

Guys why is Mario 64 is so unfun comparing to 2D and later 3D installments? It's not like "we're figuring out 3D platformer" more like "ayyy lmao it's fuckin moreo gaem they will buy it so let's just slap random shit with slippery controls together". I mean that was cool and shit to see Mario in full.3D for the first time but looking back now... what a miserable piece of bad gamedesign decisions damn.

>>8098106
>>8098113
all the Mario Golf 64 girls are good

>>8097342
I only now realized the real-world analogue of Mario being a modest fat plumber who saves princesses sometimes.
Truly the perfect vidya character.

>>8096702
>>8096705
Make it. NOW

Guess Luigi's gone for good.

>>8098213
This has to be b8

>>8094342
There's lots of good games for the DS that don't give a fuck about the stylus. Like the castlevanias.

>>8098321
Nah I do get that M64 is some kinds of /vr/ holy cow but it's fairly mediocre to be honest

>>8098321
and you took it

>>8098213
Because 3D assets were extremely time consuming at the time, hence collect-a-thons in a single sandbox became popular instead of level based gameplay.

>>8098328
This is b8

Wario Land II introduces Hen, Wario's pet chicken that you rescue in "Return the hen to her nest". We know it's his pet as he introduces her as “My beloved pet! She wouldn't harm a flea so be nice to her!” in the official manual. Because the cutscene shows Wario chasing his stolen treasure, but then diverting course to chase after his pet hen instead when he sees her in duress, made many assume Wario loves her more then his treasure.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/aw2j/page4.html

However in the official Wario Land II website, Wario is frustrated that Hen doesn't return his affection and always runs away from him. He callously threatens that if she keeps it up he'll cook her and make chicken.


Google Translate:
>That's it! As you can see, it's moss! This is not an enemy! It ’s my cute pet! However, I'm having a hard time trying to convey my affection! Far from being naive, when I see me, I run away! If I run away next time, I'll eat it as fried chicken! Kecko would be good! Yakitori is also good!

DeepL Translate:
>That's it! It's a cock-a-doodle-doo! He's not the enemy! He's my little pet! But I don't know if he can feel my love, but he doesn't take to me very well! Not only does he not like me, he runs away when he sees me! If he runs away again, I'm going to turn him into fried chicken and eat him! I bet it's really good! Yakitori would be good too!

I've never played a mario game and the games themselves don't look appealing but I really like all the art that's been posted. I wish the mario implied in the art was in the games.

>>8095627
It's a damn shame all the cool changes for Mario 3 GBA were locked behind the Ereader.

>>8098910
yeah, someone should put the rom hack with all e reader stuff unlocked on a cartridge, that'd be neat

Mario has creatively bankrupt Nintendo.
Last year's Year of Mario made me fucking hate the sight of that soulless mascot. Mario should become a corporate mascot like Mickey Mouse and take an exit from gaming. No more fucking Mario games, plenty of better IPs that need the creative attention exist. Mario characters have undergone major character assassination (bowser, yoshi even) while spin off titles are better than mainline entries (Luigis Mansion).


Also, 75% of Switch icons are of Mario and Mario related IPs. Other IPs have a laughably small amount of profile icons.
Being a Switch owner who cant stand Mario is fucking tough.

Mario has creatively saved Nintendo.
Last year's Year of Mario made me fucking love the sight of that soulful mascot. Mario should become as long-lasting a mascot as Mickey Mouse so that he'll never have to take an exit from gaming. We need more fucking Mario games, plenty of worse IPs that steal away Mario's creative attention exist. Mario characters have undergone major improvement (bowser, yoshi even) while spin off titles are almost as good as mainline entries (Luigi's Mansion).


Also, 75% of Switch icons are of Mario and Mario related IPs. Other IPs have a laughably small amount of profile icons.
Being a Switch owner who loves Mario is fucking amazing.

>>8099556
Really? Cus all it's got is fucing rereleases.

>Mario kart rerelease
>64/sunshine/galaxy rerelease
>Shitty tennis and golf game
>NSMBU rerelease
>Mario maker worse than the first and abandoned with no new content

Odyssey was great but that was in 2017. 20 fucking 17.

>>8098910
I went on a crazy buying spree back before the video game market went to complete shit, like around 2006-2007; I bought a few backlit SPs and Micros just for the hell of it, and because they were dirt cheap, even bought an e-reader and a complete set of Mario 3 cards for like, 20 bucks or something. Putting the cape feather and veggie grass into Mario 3 was totally schway, probably something that would have made me jizz myself when I was 8 years old. The bonus levels were decent, too.

>>8099701
lucky bastard you are, eh?

>>8099745
I guess. I wish I had bought more. I really didn't see the whole "retro vidya bubble" thing coming, I just happened to be on a real Game Boy kick around that time because I wasn't a huge fan of the DS yet. I had just started working, but still lived with my parents, so I had a lot of disposable income. I wish I had done better.

>>8099667
>worse than the first
this ought to be good, mind explaining?

8098213
no (you)s for you, trash man

Mario getting BTFO'd by ghosts kek

>>8094587
How do they talk in the Japanese version?

>>8102267
holy shit old dk

>>8088237
Bowser was my hero growing up. My introduction to console gaming was the SNES I received for Christmas when I was five years old, and I was intrigued by his render from SMRPG on the system's box right away. The game I unwrapped that morning was Super Godzilla, and I hoped to eventually discover the game that spiky dragon was from. Fortunately, I would receive Mario All-Stars from a relative a couple of days later, and you can imagine my excitement when I made it to World 1-4 and Bowser's portrait suddenly appeared in the background.

Funnily enough, I did not know that this character was the evil King Bowser mentioned in the instruction manual (the All-Stars manual does not make it obvious what he looks like), and assumed this "dragon" was something more akin to a pet of the evil king's. I don't remember how I had his identity confirmed for me, but it blew my mind that a cool looking monster could be the scheming evil king himself in addition to a fire-breathing reptile, and not merely a vicious beast used to dispose of meddling do-gooders by a humanoid antagonist.

The only interpretations of Bowser that I've found lame were Sunshine's, which I chalk up to the terribly ill-fitting voice acting and his very indirect role in the story (including his own boss fight), and Superstar Saga's, because the game runs a humiliation train on him non-stop once the Koopa Cruiser is shot down at the start. I don't think any recent game has done him a disservice. I really loved him in Odyssey, for instance--he gets a dapper outfit, has his own odyssey parallel to Mario's where he gathers artifacts for his nefarious wedding on the moon (I just wish it weren't entirely offscreened), tames and rides a realistic dragon that shoots down Mario's ship, and you even get a taste of what playing as him in a platformer would be like (which I would absolutely love to lead to something more substantial in that vein later). There's also Bowser's Fury, which needs no elaboration.

>>8098906
Go FUCK yourself

>>8099898
No costumes.

>>8103730
you mean the costumes you can only use in one game style that add almost nothing to the gameplay? yeah, big loss. real ashamed of that one

>>8091341
She canonically took Mario's virginity

>>8103794
god why do you people have to come out of thewoodwork to make everything miserable

>>8091341
what's the deal with her now? is nintendo just going to ignore the fact that these two fucked?

>>8102267
Game & Watch Gallery Art has always been wonderful

>>8104158

>>8103725
what do you want from me

>>8088224
Thoughts on fake old renders?

>>8105254
I like it. Captures a lot about what I liked about that era. There's a special place in my heart for old pre-renders, especially Donkey Kong Country. Something about the lighting, shading, weird to think art doesn't look like this anymore.

Since we're posting old Mario art here is the Japanese Mario Picross cover complete with Yoshi having that hentai face.
>>8099701
Did you even get the Japan only cards and yeah the cape in SMB3 is kinda rad.

What are the japanese people's favorite platformers

>>8105254
Wow, that's actually a pretty good reimagining. Very difficult to get tha t"feel" right

will Mario ever be cool again?

>>8105757
Somebody at Nintendo surely likes butts. My respect to that man.

there's really no official and in-depth documentation of SMRPG's development, someone should gather all concept material and publish a book

>>8105812

Panser.

>>8106284
he's dancing because he just sniped you with a fireball

>>8106434
>he

>>8094587
based hammer bros speaking the most intelligent language
but they're a easy boss to defeat so eh

>>8094587
redpill me on the M&L sequels

>>8105304
>Did you even get the Japan only cards
I honestly don't remember. I'll have to dig them out, it's been a literal decade since I've touched them.

>>8106538
Partners in Time is okay, but not as good as the first.
Bowser's Inside Story is great, probably the best.
Dream Team is solid, but horribly drawn out and loaded with filler.
Paper Jam is actually really good and refined a lot of the ideas Dream Team introduced, but again, way too long and after playing Dream Team it's easy to get burnt out on.

>>8105812
>>8105828
Thank you for sharing these. I was only aware of the Geno concept art shared by the artist on Twitter. SMRPG is my favorite video game, and just one piece of concept art for it is more than I ever expected to see. It's such a unique take on Mario's world that is so seldom and subtly referenced in future games, and yet it was the very first take on a wider world with emphasis on story for the franchise, so you'd really think it would have left more of a lasting impression on the brand identity than it has. The original plan for the game sure seems different, and explains the intriguing collection of enemies now scattered from their themes in the final product. It looks like the intended final boss ended up as a regular enemy, too.

>>8102624
Exclusively in katakana

>>8106538
>>8106559
I've only played the first 3, but Superstar Saga was always the one I had trouble getting into, and I'm not sure why. Maybe the beanbean woohoo hoohoo peepee beanis hee-heenis theming just gets to me after a short while. I never did particularly enjoy Fawful. Partners in Time was much more my style in terms of tone and aesthetics, but the four simultaneously playable characters and their ever-convoluted stockpile of movesets and overworld gimmicks drive a man to drink.

>>8106610
Yeah, Superstar Saga really had it's own jam. It's one of the reasons I like it so much, but I can see how it would also get tiresome. It also just has a pretty slow start, overall, since like the first 3 areas you go through are pretty much just glorified tutorials.

>>8106619
There's definitely a lot to appreciate about it regardless. I wish a Mario game could establish its own identity anymore.

>>8106624
Superstar Saga and like, Mario Stikers were the last times any Mario game felt like it had its own identity.

>>8106619
May be Doki Doki Panic-level trivia now, but I've heard people say Tomato Adventures is something of a pseudo-prequel to Superstar Saga

>>8088248
I've always wanted a Mario game with hand drawn sprites in Kotabe's style. Even if it was just a compilation like All Stars + World I'd be happy.

(I know it's Nakaue now, but Kotabe was the OG).

>>8095373
Shame nobody responded to this. I like to imagine they're all in the same vast world with their own bullshit. I can imagine Banjo looking a bowser from inside story fighting his castle making a confused https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GD1dpLSvoNU

I wish there were a donkey kong banjo crossover desu.

>>8095373
When I was a kid I would draw stories of Mario going on adventures with Link, Pikachu, the Kongs, Banjo, etc before Smash was ever a thing. I would also take my Mario toys to school where he'd fight my friends' wrestling figures. Also, the plushies in pic related fit perfectly in my Dad's GI Joe vehicles.

Why do you like this junk? Genesis has way better platformers

>>8107620
>I wish there were a donkey kong banjo crossover
Diddy Kong Racing exists. It's a shame Donkey Kong or Mario aren't in it, but oh well. Imagine if Banjo stayed with Nintendo and regularly appeared in Mario sports spinoffs.

>>8108149
I like the Illusion series, but I haven't played a lot of platformers for the Sega Genesis. Create a thread on it and we could discuss more.

>>8108149
this

Tristar, sonic trilogy, dynamite head
Amazing

I love the Warioland series, I highly recommend emulating the Virtual Boy entry.
>>8108181
Banjo being in Smash made me smile, Microsoft did a good job with KI but just don't seem to get any of the other Rare IPs.

>>8108353
Shame it's dead now. Such a stellar series one of Nintendo's best.

>>8088224
Are the all-star games worth playing? I feel like I'd only play it just to play OG JAP SM2. Also, is Luigi the better character for that game, despite the shitty traction?

>>8089085
I know from your other posts in this thread that you're a tremendous faggot and that this reply is incredibly late, but there is no point in moping if you're not going to do anything yourself. If all you do is sit around, that's all you will ever be capable of.

No one gave a shit about you because you didn't give a shit about yourself, and you damn well know it. I would say that it's never too late to change and learn any given skill you could think of, but that would still require effort from you which you apparently don't want to put in, because it's so much easier to feel sorry for yourself.

I bet you cry about talent or some shit all of the time. "Oh if only I was born magically able to do all of these things people worked for years to achieve. Why don't I want to do anything?" Because you never tried and you never will.

Bing bing wahoo.

>>8094427
okay, just draw and you'll get better with time unless you're severely fucking autistic and possibly retarded. chris chan is not relevant to any conversation about average humans

>>8110667
this

>>8110537
1: it depends on if you've played the nes originals, if you have, then no

2: I'd recommend Luigi for your first playthrough, just get used to the traction and you'll be good.

>>8111184
https://files.catbox.moe/sz0u10.png

How do you make the green fade-in on the right side of the screen go away on NES versions of SMB3? It's so distracting and annoying that I can't play, and I really want to experience the original game, though All-Stars is what I grew up with.

>>8112081
If you're using an emulator, it should have an option to crop the overscan. I use Mesen and set it to crop 8 pixels on each side.

>>8112119
I wish the Switch had that option but I know I can just emulate it now so I might as well.

>>8112081
>removing the soul

>>8110537
It's mostly a matter of personal preference. Personally I prefer USA Super Mario Bros 2. with the All-Star treatment. For Super Mario Bros. 1 I prefer the NES graphics, and for Super Mario Bros. 3 I don't care much.

>>8108353
The Wario Land series and Donkey Kong Country give me so much life. Absolute comfy aesthetics that let you live an absolute cartoonish power trip.

I didn't like how they handled the release of KI3, it was back when I shit internet and I thought the whole game was online only and hated the whole "pay for characters you want" model.

>>8092034
You broke your DS from stylus use? Kind of surprising, only DS fails I ever saw were on the hinge. I did scratch the shit out of my first DS with the thumb strap though. Still worked, just looked like shit, and learned a valuable lesson about screen protectors.

>>8112905
modern indie platformers are far superior st this point

>>8094301
Aren't there green cheeps in 2-2 though? I've not played recently but I have played a shitton of SMB. Maybe I'm mixing it up with a re-release like Deluxe.

>>8094473
Yes, it says アリガトウ which is katakana version of thank you.

>>8095926
Katakana is used for loan words, but it's also used for emphasis, comparable to italics or bold text in English. Also, it's easier to render katakana in low-resolution text than it is hiragana. In fact, there are more than a few famicom games which write all of their dialogue in katakana, not only because it means less space on the cart taken up by character maps, but also due to being slightly easier to read and taking up less space. You can see this in tons of games, but NES Open Tournament Golf is a good example. Fuck me was it a head trip seeing a game write full sentences using katakana. Old computers and Japanese really don't work well together.

On topic for the thread, here's something I thought interesting. I always believed that birdo (or ostro) being a "boy who thinks he's a girl" was a change made in North America to prevent people from thinking mario was promoting domestic violence, but it says that in the manual for Mario USA as well. Given birdo was later paired with yoshi and given a feminine voice, one might assert then that this is another forgotten element of Nintendo character-building, or maybe they just decided having a trans egg-shooting dino-whatever was too weird for the series.

>>8112995
I wish japanese was just katakana for my poor foreigner brain

>>8097056
The peach thing, as well as the episode name, is a reference to the folk hero Momotarou. This is the same hero as in the famous game series Momotarou Densetsu (and its spin-off title Momotarou Dentetsu).

You got me on the gun though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momotar%C5%8D

>>8097342
Wasn't this an edit of a famicom image? The controller cords coming out of the side are a dead giveaway, plus I'm certain that I have seen the FC version before.

>>8098106
I've never played them, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're from Minna no Golf.

>>8098152
>wanted one of these two years ago and said "too pricey"
>now it's worse

I guess I should see if I can emulate it. Putting it on switch would be cool since it's portable already.

>>8098175
Not the full picture, but this is from the same set of quiz cards. Also in those cards, Mario chasing after a rum-running goomba during prohibition.

>>8112956
Yeah the screen stop registering touch after sometime. I blame the minigame where you have to tap the roaches.

>>8099667
I haven't played the new mario golf or maker, and otherwise you're on point, but if you seriously think that Mario Tennis Aces is a re-release, then you need to fucking play the game and quit spewing bullshit, or maybe get your head examined.

>>8105304
That's not the game box art, that's a printed book of picross puzzles published by shogakukan in the mid-90s. Amazon.JP link here:

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%81%AE%E3%83%94%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9-%E3%83%AF%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%95%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB/dp/4091025072

>>8107554
It would be an interesting project, but only possible if a perfect clone of the game behavior has been reprogrammed in another engine.

>>8105304
Specifically the official guide book cover.
Benimaru Itoh also illustrated the Japanese Super Mario Kart and Donkey Kong '94 guides.

>>8112998
Learning a difficult foreign language and unlocking a new form of understanding is its own reward. Just keep working. Or if you don't enjoy it, find something else to do.

>>8113039
I've never played that game, as I heard it was a fall from grace compared to the GB games, but I would think if you're tapping that hard, you may be the problem and not the DS. Mine still worked even after beating all of Feel the Magic, and that shit has tons of screen-raping games.

Anyway if it makes you feel better, replacement systems an parts aren't hard to get. Since it's the bottom screen, you don't even have to fuck with the nightmare that is bending a flex cable around a hinge.

This weird Voorhees-inspired enemy in Super Mario Land 2 (called "J-son" in Japanese and German and "masked ghoul" in Nintendo Power) is not only a Halloween-themed graphic swap of the game's Goomba, but actually DOES seem to be a Goomba. In an older Japanese encyclopedia, it's hinted to be a Goomba, and in the Italian (and Spanish?) version of the newer Encyclopedia, it's renamed "Horror Goomba". The game's Kodansha manga adaptation outright confirms them to be Goombas in disguise that even turn into "Boo Goombas" when they are killed(!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0H_OJX81b8&t=1031s
(Also, check out that manga sometime, it's pretty wacky and depicts things such as that collector enemy being an alter ego of the Witch boss, a rare Japanese interpretation of the Mushroom King, implies that Mario Land was a kingdom inherited from Mario and Luigi's parents, and even has an extremely early form of "Waluigi" and what the Peach version may have been like among others.)

>>8113071
The problem with Wario: Master of Disguise is that a lot of the touch mechanics don't register half the time, so I would press harder in an attempt to get it to work. I sold that DS long ago and upgraded for a DS Lite.

>>8105812
>>8105828
What's the source of these files?

>>8102850
I think Bowser is pretty hot too, anon.

>>8113957
I'd rather be him than be with him, but I couldn't fault anyone for feeling that way.

How much meat you think Mario's packing down those dungarees, dude?

>>8112964
they are grey, put they are green in all-stars. not sure about deluxe though

>>8113010
I didn't not about that Momotarou thing. Very strange seeing Mario holding a real weapon in "official" media eh?

and I'm not sure whether or not It is an edit. I found it on the Mario Wiki for Mario Artwork and Scans.

>>8113139
I can't read Japanese. Where does it exactly imply that it's a goomba? What does it say?

>>8114879
The last sentence says something to the effect of "From its movements, suppose it was actually a Kuribo?" and the caption reads "Wasn't it really a Kuribo?"

>>8115978
Pictured: Peach's true soulmate.

>>8112962
They really aren't. Gaming is now dead, thanks to politics, inexperience, and people falsely thinking they understand why people liked 70s-90s games.

>>8116234
Oh come on. You just come across as bitter and out of touch. You're gonna say dustforce is worse than more primitive platformers

>>8116239
I don't know what that is, but sell me on it (preferably with an explanation of why it's better than the masters' works of days gone by and why it's not just a tryhard flash game that you have to pay for).

>>8116298
are you telling me I should go buy a super nintendo and play all the mario and donkey kong games? What other platformers are even on the super nintendo?

>>8116020
I see. Thank you. That is neat trivia.

>>8116239
He's absolutely right. Indie devs think that its just the pixel art or whatever. There are many other things that are in retro games which modern games lack.

>>8116308
I'm asking why you believe paid tranny flash game platformers are better than retro-era platformers.

>>8116308
I have no idea how you got that crap from what I posted, but to clarify, I'm asking why you believe monetized tranny flash game platformers are better than retro-era platformers.

>>8116628
>>8117957
And what do indies lack
Celeste dustforce and ori are all genuinely amazing

>>8118742
>And what do indies lack
SOVL

>>8114173
64 cm

Posting more of the fake 3D art.

>>8119817
Dorrie scared the shit outta me when I was little. I thought it could trick you and gobble you up if you're not fast enough like that weird sign seemed to hint at. I really like the lighting here. It'd almost capture the mood of seeing that massive thing in a dark underground cavern if it weren't Mario Party.

>>8088248
Hey, Donkey Kong Jr.!
It's sucks that they barely use him anymore, but then again, it's understandable considering Diddy exists.

>>8120793
DK Jr. is supposedly Cranky's son and the current DK's father. I don't think gorillas age rapidly enough for Cranky to have an adult grandson while Mario hasn't changed much since the arcade days, though. S'weird.

>>8120805
And then again, the current DK and DK Jr. are seen as a team in the OG Mario Tennis, so there's that.

>>8120110
Wtf. How.

Soul.

>>8120805
There's a fan theory that Jumpman and Lady are separate characters from Mario and Pauline, and that they could possibly be Mario and Luigi's parents.

>>8120793
>It's sucks that they barely use him anymore, but then again, it's understandable considering Diddy exists.
Apparently because Diddy was supposed to BE Junior, but Nintendo didn't like the radical redesign so Rare made him his own character. This might have lead to some confusion somewhere along the line, hence the "DK Jr. grew up to become current DK" idea, but no, modern DK is OG DK/Cranky's grandson.
>>8120805
>I don't think gorillas age rapidly enough for Cranky to have an adult grandson while Mario hasn't changed much since the arcade days, though. S'weird.
Here's something weirder most people don't know: the characters in Retro Studios' Country Returns were intended to be a new Kong generation. There are remnants of this in the original Wii version manual. Page 4: "Back in my day, I'D TAKE CARE OF THIS MYSTERIOUS PREDICAMENT WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT," and on page 14: "Here's a tip from MY DAYS AS A BELOVED HERO: Try rolling off a ledge and jumping in midair." This quotes heavily imply that this Cranky is actually Rare's DK, and Retro's DK and Diddy are a new generation. This probably got abandoned because it's one thing to make the OG DK an old dude, but it's quite another to imply that he passed away.

>>8120970
They already started calling Jumpman "Mario" as soon as Donkey Kong Jr., but there's some truth to the Lady/Pauline thing - while "Pauline" soon became her name in the west, that name was only applied to her Game Boy redesign in Japan, so a lot of fans who didn't have any context for her western name origin somehow thought she was a new character altogether. It didn't help that Japanese third-party licensors didn't know either, and so you get oddities like Lady/Pauline having two profiles on the same page or manga where the old Lady was established would now have the new Pauline without acknowledging it. It had to wait until 2014 when Nintendo decided to clarify that they were the same character in a Smash Bros. trophy of all things, which was supported in Odyssey references.

>>8120840
Baby Mario is also playing tennis alongside adult Mario.

>>8120870
Bowser's Fury has a lot of personality for a newer Mario game, combine it with the old art style and it genuinely feels like something that could've been attempted in the N64 days. Don't know how much of this goes off-topic though or if it's meant for /vr/. I'd rather not go to /v/ though if I can help it.

>>8121236
I think the only Mario games that don't have personality are the "New Super Mario Bros." series after the first one, and the post-Super Paper Mario games. I love my bing bing. The older stuff really does have a certain charm to it that you don't get anymore, though.

>>8121268
Oh absolutely, I think the series lost a lot of it's charm beginning there and only got worse the more they started carefully mandating and monitoring what could be apart of Mario games. Even some newer characters or concepts just feel flat or bland, like it was meticulously analyzed by corporate suits to feel as manufactured as possible.

Mario stuff like Super Mario Land 2, Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion, etc. gives me life though. I live and breathe off of that shit. I don't know if I'm able to describe what made it so special, I didn't even get to experience some of it until later in life so it's difficult to think that nostalgia is a factor.

Don't know why but Bowser with black eyebrows in that image. looks kind of weird.

>>8121319
I'm the same way. It is weird, but I always wanted the cape to come back.

>>8121341
Mario characters with different/more outfits would be appreciated. If there's anything they're doing right with the newer games, it's the outfits in the sports titles.

(Also I'm a dumbass for not realizing that image is based off the art in Super Mario Bros. 3)
>>8099109

>>8120805
Rareware's lore was always dumb about this. They needed a reason to explain why this DK was so vastly different in portrayal and just convoluted it.

>>8120970
Odyssey firmly debunked this fan theory.

>>8122342
>Odyssey firmly debunked this fan theory
How exactly?

>>8122361
Outside of what >>8121146 posted, Pauline quizzes you about her kidnapping by an ape. Without a doubt, at the very least Pauline is the lady back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHsCW3pmOg

>>8122342
It's been debunked since at least the second game, and that Pauline trophy confirming she's Lady was the final nail in the coffin.

>>8122361
Outside of what >>8121146 posted, Pauline quizzes you about her kidnapping by an ape. She even then says "I knew you'd remember!" and at the end goes "It's good to catch up with old friends." Without a doubt, at the very least Pauline is the lady back then, and Mario is even more implied to be the same Mario

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHsCW3pmOg [Embed]

>>8121386
I love all the different outfits in Odyssey and how each reference an older game.

>>8122428
It's too bad I didn't end up liking Odyssey, I wanted to, but something about it just feels... off. It's too bad most of the costumes are cosmetic or used as a gate check, it would've been fun to have a Picross minigame be activated if you're wearing the safari outfit and similar things depending on the outfit.

These Mario and Wario comics are quite charming.

>>8123359
The idea of Wario being interested in Peach always seemed kind of odd to me. Mario and Luigi having a rivalry for her is cute enough though. I'm glad these comics exist to give Mario a personality.

>>8123374
It's weird but the Mario in Sawada manga is quite similar to the MvW comics.

>>8123387
I've always preferred the comics that more closely match the Yoichi Kotabe art style. It's nice seeing him as the brash go-getter type with lots of energy that sometimes turns into an asshole if he gets carried away.

>>8123345
It's the controls; wall-jump, long-jump and triple-jump are all made useless, and they removed the backwards somersault

Also they ruined any fun you could get from the possessions as when you play as an enemy you can't control it like Mario, instead you get its own move-set. For example: with hammer bro can only jump in a retarded way despite how its humanoid. You are restricted to using it for a short period as you can't even traverse most courses properly. That the controls are praised and said to be the best in the series is ridiculous and really highlights just how deplorable video game journalism is.

>>8123432
Is that the watch from Diddy Kong Racing?

>>8123446
It feels overly manufactured, like it was designed by robots or people working solely for a paycheck with no passion felt in it. Sure, there's tons of references and callbacks to older Mario games, but all of it feels empty. There's a ton of NPCs, people, creatures, etc, but it doesn't feel alive.

I genuinely feel existential dread when playing Super Mario Odyssey and it's difficult to pinpoint the exact source of it. Sure, Mario always gets new games to cash in on his popularity and status, but something about Odyssey feels cynical, it just makes me uncomfortable. Objectives outright feel worthless with how many moons they throw at you for doing bare minimum. The sound design feels too snappy and "modern." It feels like a game that was designed by focus groups and charts.

>>8123449
Yes.

>>8123503
>Sure, Mario always gets new games to cash in on his popularity and status, but something about Odyssey feels cynical, it just makes me uncomfortable. Objectives outright feel worthless with how many moons they throw at you for doing bare minimum. The sound design feels too snappy and "modern." It feels like a game that was designed by focus groups and charts.
The exact same with BOTW too. With the Switch they completely erased the Wii aesthetic, instead of music in the background there is no music, instead of colorful text its just gray text surrounded by gray rectangles on a white background. And you can find both of those things in the game, when you speak to an NPC instead of a speech bubble or something its just thin white text surrounded by a thin white rectangle. Its a minimalist design, essentially. Nintendo probably thought that their previous Wii aesthetic was outdated or something, and that they needed to be more "modern".

That I actually think is a fair argument, and not just soul vs soulless. There is no inspiration. As well as what I said about how the controls are bad.

>>8123520
>The exact same with BOTW too.
I could go on and on for hours about Breath of the Wild, it might warrant me creating a Zelda general, but I'd have to keep it retro themed. There's a lot I could say about what it loses that made the older games special. But, I agree. I think the problem is that both of these games just feel like they're going through the motions with no real or elicit strong emotions to them, which is why they're so easily appealing to bunch of people with no personality and experience.

I hate being so easily rewarded and so frequently in games, I want to feel like the struggle is worth it and worth experiencing, it's all about ups and downs. These newer games are all just flatline. Worse is that they feel like everything should be explainable, understandable, they make worldbuilding feel like cold soulless study rather than just be something you live.

Older Mario games would often included a bunch of random shit just for the hell of it, but it still felt purposeful in a weird way and matched the tone. I think Super Mario Land 2 is a good example of this:
>Why does Mario have a castle?
>Why six golden coins?
>Why are these zones here? Did Mario make them or are they natural?
>Why does Mario have a giant statue of himself?
>Why do the trees look like pickles?
Even Wario wasn't really explained back then. It was widely incohesive yet formed a cohesive tone for the game, it was weird and nonsensical, but felt like a palpable fantasy. For some reason it matched and worked. These newer games focus so hard on trying to make everything seem realistic and cohesive that it ends up feeling boring, bland, lifeless, soulless, the escapism is gone. It doesn't feel like anything is a fantasy or personal charm of anyone, it just feels like shit they included or came up with because.

I love the Boos old design. Back when these little fuckers actually felt ghostly, mysterious, genuinely mischievous. They're too round and fluffy looking now, I miss their more oblong shape and the vibes I get from their old design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqYa6VDQhCc

>>8123572
Even though you're right, I hated those vibes. I like how they're round and fluffy looking now. And I usually prefer darker, edgier stuff. Weird. Maybe just having flashbacks to always dying by those boos when I was a kid.

>>8123612
It's definitely unsettling or otherworldly, they just feel odd, but that's what I like from ghosts or horror themed elements. It was hard to read the expression on their face, like a weird combination of joy, malice, blankness, etc, it made them feel spooky. I also like their Paper Mario N64 design.

>>8123735
>I also like their Paper Mario N64 design.
Was gonna say this. I honestly think their old and current official designs are close enough that I don't really care, but the Paper Mario design was GOAT.

You are now manually remembering Lemmy's Land.

>>8124270
>>Mario Kart has always been the same
and guess what actually sells?
if F-Zero going to stick around, all of its retreads need to sell at a justified amount.

because I guarantee you a port of GX wouldn't crack 1 or 2 million on the Switch despite Switchfags eating up ports for breakfast.

>>8123735
the Paper Mario N64 design is based off of Yoshi's island

A ton of the early Paper Mario aesthetic (64, TTYD, Super) is based on Yoshi's Island

>>8124295
that website? No I'm not

>>8094423
you've learned to go onto 4chan and whine about being useless, thats one thing

>>8094473
>>8094453
>>8094438

thank you for the random facts, they're very cool and interesting. make sure you save some for the next general

>>8098906
how the hell have you been able to go so far in your life without playing ONE mario game?

>>8099297
>>8099556
anons is this the new meme

I've yet to play through the Mario 64 PC port, are there multiple versions of it and lots of mods or something? Like Render96 for example?

>>8099556
the most autistic thing ive read in months

>>8099297
the most autistic thing ive read in months

>>8126217
congrats, you're retarded

>>8126854
you're naked

>>8126854
how is that?

With people chatting about Bowser's personality and Mario's personality developing through adaptations/time, I've always been interested in Luigi's personality. Stuff like Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! and the live-action movie seem to go in a different direction with him, making him greedy or an earnest main protagonist. But then you see traits of his cowardly/shy personality popping up early in the DIC cartoons and that one Mario World OVA; then later in the Super Mario Adventures comic, and when Martinet recounts coming up with Luigi's voice. It's interesting to see those all happening before the games really did anything with it, and makes me wonder if they all happened independently or had some influence on each other.

>>8094587
I remember some hammer headed guys in Super Star Saga who spoke in leet speak I think, but perhaps I'm remembering wrong.

>>8114276
pretty sure this was a desktop background you could download from nintendo's website. Guessing it was in '04 based on the text. I used to download their desktops and screensavers.

>>8127146
I like that Luigi is a bit cowardly/shy, games like Luigi's Mansion and Superstar Saga use it to great effect.

>>8107836
Not necessarily related to Mario, but if Nintendo still had third party dominance in the N64 and GameCube days, I wonder if the Nintendo Power artists would make a story about Nester joining Tommy Vercetti or Dante in their adventures.

>>8127202
I feel like Nintendo wouldn't have allowed GTA on the cube, period.

>>8127212
It was on the GBA and games like BMX XXX were on the Gamecube.

>>8127216
and neither was getting dragged through the mud by media about being a murder simulator, unlike the console GTA that actually mattered.

>>8127212
Perhaps it would've been structured a lot differently to be more mission related than just chaotic. There are plenty of games on Nintendo systems, then and now, where you kill other people, most notably timesplitters. They wouldn't approve of killing random innocent people, but they'd have no objection to killing people as part of an enemy resistance. They would certainly object to 'No Russian', for example.

>>8127212
There are four GTA games available for Nintendo's handhelds, and GTA1 almost got an N64 port.

>>8127237
Ninty had no issues later with Rockstar's literal murder simulator.

>>8127443
99% of the bad press for Manhunt 2 was specifically directed at the Wii version though, cause of the common perception that it was a "family friendly console"

>>8127335
I think that would be likely. Nintendo likely wouldn't allow it unless the game was about you being restricted from attacking innocents.

>>8127337
handhelds, aka not graphic and no one cared.

>>8127443
reasonable argument; I didn't even know this game came out on wii

>>8105254
Some good (like this one), some extremely gay and reddit-like like most.

>>8127146
I miss Luigi being smug in the N64 era

>>8128160
He was a beta bitchboy cuck in paper mario my dude

>>8111184
How did Toad get so strong?

>>8120314
don't tell anyone

The new WarioWare seemingly has Luigi's Mansion assets

https://twitter.com/PortableProduc1/status/1435891546373574661?s=19

>>8112895
Pretty solid taste, anon, I have to say I agree with you on all counts.

>>8123735
Speaking of Boos, I was going through some old pics and found this pumpkin I carved like 12 fucking years ago. Goddamn.

>>8128169
yeah but he was fantastic in Mario Kart 64 & Mario Golf/Tennis

>>8125132
I always forget that Boos are in Yoshi's Island, I never played much of it and I don't think they're included in a lot of levels. I miss back when Mario characters were allowed to have varied designs, I hate the homogeny of newer Mario games.

I may be in the wrong thread but how is /v/orld new vegas coming along? I haven't seen threads on vfor weeks

>>8128482
There's a new microgame based of Luigi's Mansion. I feel like we've had WarioWare nonstop on every console since the first game, would be nice to have a new Wario Land for a change.

>>8129857
If it's Mario related, it belongs here and you're in the right thread.

>>8129902
Wario being reduced to the face of an ADHD simulator honestly isn't much better of a fate than Captain Falcon's flayed skin being sewn together over an animatronic training dummy in Smash.

>post yfw you realized the smb2 title theme is a remix of smb1's underwater theme

>>8111193
Nigger

>>8129902
I almost feel like we haven't gotten enough warioware, but then games only come every so often and we'd get tired of them.

I wish there was more WL styled like WL2 and WL3. WL4 and Shake It were good, but I found their traditional style to be a drawback compared to what I thought were pretty interesting design evolution (in wario 2 and 3).

>>8130728
Game & Wario, WarioWare Gold, and Get It Together feel like they have little reason to exist individually when they could've held off and combined all of them as one experience, it feels like we haven't gotten much out of WarioWare rather than enough of them. None of them in particular have felt all that satisfying as of late.

I doubt we'll see anything similar to the first 3 Wario Land games considering Gunpei Yokoi is dead. It's disappointing there's a lot of games with good ideas on Switch, but so many of them feel half-baked. Especially the newer Mario sports games. None of them really do anything that makes me feel like playing them or preferring them over the older releases.

>>8132071
seeing official art of those chain saw things is cool

Mario should have a younger little sister

Imagine the fan art ;)

>>8132071
Why does he have gigantic red nuts?

>>8134156
this was before they finalized the design and were reusing elements from smb3. they're big ass tanooki balls

>>8103803
not him but come on, does it really ruin the game? I miss them too but I got over it after playing 5 good levels online

>>8134156
>he doesn't know

>>8130312

Honestly Bowser's kinda cute. Not sure if just because I like turtles or because of his design.

>>8135882
Nintendo's really good at making fat characters.

>>8136682
SO EIN MIST!

>>8137461
I wish German Wario would come back, I miss the idea that every Nintendo character could be a stereotype of some nation. Mario & Luigi are Italian. Wario is German. Waluigi is Russian.

>>8137528
Me too. Wait, why are we on page 10? The postcount isn't red, we haven't hit bump limit.

>>8137543
I thought maybe we had hit bump limit. I tried creating a sequel general, but it quickly got deleted.

>>8137550
Maybe we have? It usually turns red on X.

>>8137565
I'll probably wait until this thread is actually gone before trying to start another. Maybe that's why the last one was deleted.