/vr/ - Retro Games

Gunstar Heroes has top tier gameplay and is the best run and gun ever made, but I would never say anything else about it, let alone its music, was good. It has a couple tracks that are better than average. And character designs? Are you shitting me? Everything is ugly as sin.

Play the game, enjoy its strong suits, don't make up bullshit about everything else about it that wasn't strong just because the end result was still good.

>>8077267
Tetsuhiko Kikuchi character art is amazing.

>>8077191

Their run'n'gun games are very cool and fancy but life bars reduce challenge substantially.

Their shmups and platforms are great, though.

>>8077329
>but life bars reduce challenge substantially.

>This post has been flagged as misinformation

>>8077191
generic games with some gimmick turd throw in

>>8077363
Literally every game Treasure made was a complete break from trends at the time with the exception of their licensed games which were for cash.

If you actually played any of their games, especially Silhouette Mirage, Ikaruga, Mischief Makers, Stretch Panic, you would know how ridiculous of a statement this is.

If Treasure is somehow generic literally the entire industry is creatively bankrupt by comparison. No game company was able to make mainstream games with as much creative freedom and originality.

>>8077363
filtered

>>8077313
he says, posting the ugliest main character design to ever feature in a published video game

>>8077329
Life bars aren't the only factor in a game's challenge. They're not a problem if you adjust the game around them.

>>8077452
Of course someone with poor taste is going to say they dislike Marinachan.

Every Treasure game I tried I did not like

>>8077480
Treasure's games are the only games where I feel like I'm constantly tripping over things that I like or make me smile while constantly being presented with amazing music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y8UfNFdxGM

Another bait thread by the "Trashure" guy. This is the weirdest obsession I have ever seen and honestly hilarious. Either this is high concept shitposting, or this dude has some serious autism.

Games are neat and mechanics are decent but they fall victim to gimmicks all too often. Also they're really ugly and don't have good music.

>>8077515
>Trashure
Trying too hard.
>>8077527
>don't have good music
Bad taste confirmed.
https://youtu.be/MDqJ_GqJ1PE

>>8077751
I don't like ikaruga's music, but it's not offensively bad like some of their other games. None of their games have great music.

>>8077515
Meds. Now.

>>8077796
>my opinion

>>8077861
Which he’s allowed to have. But eventually one day he might see the light when it comes to Treasure. The world would be a much less magical place to me without their games.
https://youtu.be/aT7r37MEwi0

>>8077191
>great character design

I WILL NOT DIE UNTIL I ACHIEVE SOMETHING

EVEN THOUGH THE IDEAL IS HIGH, I NEVER GIVE IN

THEREFORE, I NEVER DIE WITH REGRETS

Fuck yes! You are the best game ever!
https://youtu.be/BhEdM9-NuFI

>>8077796
gay af

>>8077876
Shrill and excitable. I don't see how this can be considered good music really. At least you didn't post mischief makers or rakugaki showtime.

>>8077919
Henceforth I consider your taste shit and anything you spout as baseless drivel. Good day.

>>8077191
>Does anyone make better games that Treasure.
St!ng
Falcom
Compile
Wolf Team
Tri Ace
Camelot
Your mom's box

Thread Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCp8qw2ztJQ

>>8077919
I'm >>8077876, but I'm not >>8077928.

Oh I have every intention of posting Mischief Makers (YukeTora). If it's not to your liking then you would simply have one fewer source of magic to appreciate in your life. I'm not mad at you, Anon.

>>8077919
I'm >>8077876, but I'm not >>8077928.

Oh I have every intention of posting Mischief Makers (YukeTora). If it's not to your liking then you would simply have one fewer source of magic to appreciate in your life. How could I ever be mad at you, Anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Sj5vU6530

>>8077919
I'm >>8077876, but I'm not >>8077928.

Oh I have every intention of posting Mischief Makers (YukeTora). If it's not to your liking then you would simply have one fewer source of magic to appreciate in your life. How could I ever be mad at you, Anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Sj5vU6530

>>8077945
>>8077949
>>8077958
Hurts my ears, as for weird game music I've got my selection from katamari to space fishermen. I'll stick with those instead of...this.

>>8077932
I actually really appreciate this list as a means of discovering new stuff, so thank you for making this.

>St!ng
Google brings nothing up.
>Falcom
Ys is cool but wasn't as magical as any of the Treasure games to me in terms of uniqueness of gameplay, art design, or music. Though, Ys has really cool gameplay even still.
>Compile
Puyo Puyo is really cool but R-Type pales compared to Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga.
>Wolf Team
I'm kind of meh on Tales personally. Just my opinion though. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a shot, but didn't seem very interesting.
>Tri Ace
Infinite Undiscovery is a hidden gem but Valkyrie Profile was a little plain for my liking.
>Camelot
Shining Force was pretty cool but not as unique or quirky as a treasure title.
>Your mom's box
Are you suggesting that a better game company came from my mother's womb suggesting that the game I'm making will be well received by the public? Very inspiring Anon, I am moved. Don't try to take back this encouragement. I could use one in this day and age :)

>>8078002
I prefer Success Corp. over all of them. You should know who Sting are.

>>8077995
It's not for everyone, but at least you gave it a try!

>>8078005
Success is also good, I'm sorry for not mentioning them DESUWA.

>>8078002
>>8078014
Based smile and Marina poster.

>>8078020
The closest thing they've ever made to a Treasure game and it's insanely good

>>8078029
They don't have to make games LIKE treasure. Are you high or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWs6UtB9eVI

WARNING
NO REFUGE

ENCOUNTERED AN ASSAILANT

PENTA

BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS

1:REINFORCED WEAPONS
2:FIGHT FOR TRUTH
3:MEMORIES

>>8077354
Yeah but Alien soldier is a 1 life game, and even then it's not that hard.

>>8078035
Only in the sense it's as gimmicky. It otherwise plays like a game programmed for NERV's 3 Magi computers.

>>8077505
yeah, shame the gameplay isn't fun

>>8078002
How do you not know Sting?

Contra 3 is the only good treasure game

>>8077363
Gimmicks are good, cocksucker
>I JUST WANT MY VANILLA ASS SIDE SCROLLERS, SHMUPS, and BEATEMUPS with ZERO INNOVATION, THANK YOU
Yeah dude, fuck anyone trying to add or change mechanics. Everything should just be a superficial romhack of an established game.

why is treasure so famous for westerners

>>8078037
be·at·i·tude
/bēˈadəˌt(y)o͞od/
noun
supreme blessedness.
"the expression of beatitude the religious sometimes adopt"

>>8078060
That's a great question. I don't know why I didn't know Sting. I know of Sting now though. Would you say they are special?

>>8078062
gimmicks are for retards that don't understand real quality in action games, aka treasure fans

>>8078064
Their games always had top scores in gaming magazines of the 90s and they appear on several top lists. Also word of mouth.

>>8078069
>gimmicks are for retards that don't understand real quality in action games
This is most well stated cope for having bland tastes.

>>8078068
That's not what they wrote, though. Even making this stretch, beatitude for gains is still a dumb, engrishy phrase.

>>8078069
How? It makes more sense to me that someone who's played the older shmups to death would want some shit changed or subverted.

>>8078075
except liking gimmicky shit is the epitome of bland taste?
>>8078082
that's what retards who never actually played older shmups would say

>>8078062
gimmicks in games are usually odd one-off exercises with the games mechanics or abandoning those mechanics for something unique. Whether it's worth it or not varies. Cotton Boomerang's backwards scrolling section in Ayakashi Swamp is a test in your command and directional inputs and is a very tense section because if you planned your roster well you can bounce ice shots off of surfaces to protect yourself or if you were very smart use a wind character for homing shots. it's also a gimmick section, the game never scrolls backwards otherwise except there - but you do have the tools to succeed.

Treasure's gimmicks include things like Mischief Makers dash race or returning enemies into matching homes using the grab. it's odd, out of place and by the time they occur in the game don't really challenge or teach you anything useful. They almost seem like something thrown together without much thought and I personally find these gimmicks drag the experience down. I'd rather have any other kind of challenge because they just aren't fun.

>>8078086
The people who made those games clearly played Contra, Final Fight, Gradius, Ninja Warriors and Raiden to death and were looking into ways to add to them. Successfully. They were clearly made for fans of those games who wanted new without it being derivative.

It doesn't matter. You just want to win your gay ass 4chan argument and 'troll'. You win, okay. You fucking win.

>>8078091
Same as literally any other arcade development at the time, yet you think treasure is somehow special because you are a just dumb fanboy who didn't play anything else. I see this shit all the time.

>>8078064
1. A mystique developed around Radiant Silvergun because you could only buy it from import shops and it was always the most expensive game despite just being a single disc with no peripherals (never going under $79.99 even during 1998).

2. Ikaruga's innovative gameplay and lack of anime characters got a lot of favorable coverage.

3. Many went back and played Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy, Guardian Heroes after the fact.

4. Consistently great music.

Me personally, I was lucky to have a single copy of YukeTora/Mischief Makers at my local Blockbuster when I was in the single digits of age and the game forever stood with me.

>>8077313
i really like that tall detailed marina with a steel bra

>>8078078
>That's not what they wrote, though.
I'm aware.

It's called meming.

You look at "BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS" enough and the word beatitude emerges from the brain like a tree sprouting from the ground.

>>8078097
Yeah it started with Radiant silvergun and Ikaruga

>>8078095
I'm a fan of tons of retro action/arcade games. I just don't know how much of a weirdo contrarian shitposter you have to be to 'hate' Treasure's games. Do you think it's 'reddit'? Don't care much for Silhouette Mirage or Gaurdian Heroes personally, though.

>purchased the same game twice, each time for $10
>had to rebuy it since the first time the label was a shitty repro

>>8078068
>>8078078
Essentially: "Be aware of these things ahead which you need to deal with to be successful" or "That which is necessary to succeed"
followed by vague description of the essence of those things.

It's also a bit of a cheeky nod to Gunstar Heroes.

>>8078110
I don't hate treasure, i hate worshipper retards thinking they are somehow special in the action game market for having 1 or 2 gimmicks.

>>8078053
>>8078061
i slap your mom's ass harder than the hypersword slaps zakos

>>8078116
Treasure's games are filled with callbacks to their other games.

The precious gold crystals Marina needs to collect in order to unlock the perfect ending where she becomes a human being are exactly the same design as the Stone-Like from Radiant Silvergun which is endlessly used to eradicate all of humanity in that game.

>>8078120
>People like things
>"I have to let them know I don't like it when they like things"
>"Whew. Glad that's done."

>>8078139
So basically, the Stone-Like in Radiant Silvergun is used to end humanity on an infinite loop whereas the "Stone-Like" in Mischief Makers is used to create humanity since it's the requirement for Marina and the bosses to all become human and cease fighting among each other.

>>8078140
>people are retards
>i have to let them know they are retards
ftfy

>>8078156
The lack of self-awareness is humorous.

>>8078148
t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶u̶a̶l̶i̶t̶y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶ the dumbfuckery of video game plots

>>8078159
I mean, I thought it was pretty cool but I guess you're allowed to have your own take. I'm sure the things you enjoy must be pretty awesome then.

>>8078158
said the treasurefag thinking he knows shit about action games for playing only treasureshit

>>8078161
I'm so fucking jaded I can't enjoy anything anymore. I also can't end myself because of obligations. Sitting this one out.

Is this what australiatroon wanted all along? To make people argue whenever Treasure is brought up?

>Towards the end of development, Maegawa could not finish the game to properly debug it because it was too difficult. He brought in skilled players who held national records at shooters to debug the game.[8]

I've never been able to actually beat Radiant Silvergun and have held a subconscious belief that I was some sort of brainlet my whole life, but apparently I might have been too hard on myself.

>>8078164
Not once have you mentioned anything you prefer as a contribution to the discussion. So your presence is appreciated for being a stereotypical shitposter without any substance :)

>>8078167
>I also can't end myself because of obligations
My dude, you need to get the help you need instead of being on a retro gaming subreddit on a Singaporean fabergé egg making forum.

Call a hotline. Buy and keep a notebook.

>>8078191
The Arwing does not belong in this picture.

>>8078183
> :)
kill yourself pathetic treasurefag

>>8078204
Fuck off Aussie-kun

>>8078209
who? seems like you already have experience in being a dumbass fanboy

>>8078203
Still a cool picture tho.

>>8078215
The jig is up, asshole.

>>8078271
whatever makes you sleep at night troonsure fanboy

Shut up nigger you like amiga/speccy shit.
You have no standards at all to make fun of anyone.
Do you want to be banned and your posts deleted again like a few days ago?

>>8078331
Who are you quoting?

>>8078357
You

>>8078370
>anyone who doesn't cocksuck treasure is australia
sure thing buddy

>>8078380
>thinks the board shares your vendetta
Sad

>>8078387
thought this was about reasure, not some random guy living rent free in your mind

>>8078404
Not as much this company lives in yours.

>>8078296
>>8078331
take you meds you sperg

>>8078068
>Would you say they are special?
I think they deserve a mention in jap devs, they at least deserve to be in the "known" group instead of obscure 1 off weirdos like Matthews.

>>8078408
nah I just ignore treasure most of the time, until I see some clueless retard acting as if they revolutionized action games or something.

>>8078418
Yeah, sure.

They were a great dev who did great stuff, I'm just kind of accepting of their death and happy to let their games exist in memory of 16 bit era 'pure gameplay' experiences. Have played their games to death over the years and they feel like Sonic 3&K did to me as a kid - hype as fuck back then but I've played them inside out and back to front nowadays. Not much new to say.

That said, that Treasure Land Adventure secret finding recently was fucking mindblowing and I'm sure some of their titles have weird shit like that still to discover. Also would fucking love if a beta of Gunstar Super Heroes got out there when it was going to be a huge Sega crossover, including many of its franchises as references/bosses. Seriously, there's music and sprites left over in current roms, like the ESWAT guy and numerous Altered Beast forms. It was going to be actually interesting. Some of it remains, like the Thunder Blade-ish level and the Flicky level, but there was far more planned.

>>8078489
>I've played them inside out and back to front nowadays. Not much new to say.
If you have actually beaten Radiant Silvergun I would be genuinely impressed. I imagine less than 0.01% of people who bought that game have actually beaten it.

>>8077354

Treasure is really master of presenting their games as more difficult than they really are. People usually fear Ikaruga to the same extent.

>>8077458
>Life bars aren't the only factor in a game's challenge.
>They're not a problem if you adjust the game around them.

Agreed and agreed. It's just that one-hit-kills run'n'gun games are more fun in regard to damage management.

>>8078572
OI ME SPEEEEECCCCCCCCYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>8077191
The Mega Drive games are just arcade games that never made it to arcades. They're great, but there isn't much to separate them from the better coin-ops. Shame Treasure only toe-dipped into the cab business. Their mid-90's output could have been phenomenal.

>>8078676
Bullshit. Go suck an egg you fag.

>>8078701
As you're an authority, please tell me what's it like to be a tranny, a fag, mentally disabled, and black?

>>8078701
As you're an authority, please tell me what it is like to be a tranny, a fag, mentally disabled, and black? Or an American? Same difference.

Every single treasure game i played was a massive disappointment. There is no relation between the lame hype and the actual quality of treasure games.

>>8078572
He's just too powerful lads

>>8078676
This. The only people who overrate Trashure are clueless consolecucks who haven't touched more than 5 Arcade games in their life.

>>8078752
He's been spreading his retardation on /v/ again:

>>>/v/568771856

Actual mental illness.

>>8078676
>from the better coin-ops
Such as?

>>8078927
Go play some arcade games and find out yourself, Treasurecuck.

>>8078927
This is probably why you suck treasure so much and make two threads then spam it, you don't know a lick about old games. This is why you don't know sting either.

>>8078937
TWO threads? Holy shit that anon is out of control now.

>>8078937
>>8078931
Ban evading auster?

>>8078931
>>8078937
Insecure fags always dish out criticism about games not living up to their nebulous standards, then when any sort of clarification is requested they just start adhoming out the ass.

Those two last levels are so fucking long dude, why did they make them so FUCKING long?

Gunshit Zeroes has more bad levels than good.

>that shitty minecart autoscroll stage
>that shitty dice palace full of gimmicks
>that shitty stage 5 that's just a straight line
>that shitty outer space shmup stage
>end game is just boss rematches

>schizo still ban evading
The company truly traumatized him lol

>>8079064
>>the fun as fuck dice palace
>>shitty
Take that back RIGHT NOW. NIGGERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8079116
>replying to the schizo and not R&I
Anon...

>yo dawg, i heard you like gimmicks

>>8079064
>>the fun as fuck dice palace
>>shitty
Take that back RIGHT NOW. NIGGERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8079121
>N64 games look good in motion, they said...

>>8079125
>583 kb
>high quality
The absolute state of junglestanis.

Jesus christ jannie do your fucking job.

>>8079123
Why did they make Red a troon in the GBA game?

>>8078519
Not a fan, really. One of a few Treasure games I tried to get into but it didn't really click. Now Saturn emulation is pretty perfect I should fuck around with it more, but it's overlong and pretty convoluted mechanically, though I assume I'm spoilt by Ikaruga keeping shit to two colors.

>>8079125
>583 kb
>high quality gifs
Time to go outside for a bit, anon.

>>8079480
Time for you to go back

>>8078676
>The Mega Drive games are just arcade games that never made it to arcades.
They are more like consolized "arcade" games, Gunstar Heroes and Alien Soldier's design is nothing like an arcade game would be.

>>8079480
Mischief Makers (and any other N64 game really) wouldn't look any better even if it were an HD webm he'd posted.

>>8079678
Not him, but I think Alien Soldier would fit perfectly in an arcade cabinet. It's a game you have to master through trial and error, which I think fits a lot of arcade games.

>>8077313
She always makes me think of some Megumi Hayashibara character.

>>8079725
If it was shorter and had less convoluted controls, maybe.

>>8079916
The controls are easy to master, once you learn them you rarely fuck up because of them. In fact, I think it's cool that you can do so many things with just 3 buttons and a d-pad.
>shorter
It's a 30 minute game.

>>8080195
Yes but the controls still feel kinda gimmicky for an arcade run 'n gun, those tend to have simple and intuitive controls, also the weapon system, hud etc.

They never made a AAA hyped, widely played game. They made no dent in 90s culture. Shooters were dead in mainstream when Sonic was created.

You know what is a better game than anything they made? Vectorman.

>only 30 posters

You know?
They should collaborate some day.

>>8080226
>They never made a AAA hyped, widely played game.
Gunstar, Mischief Makers, and Ikaruga are all massively popular IPs, though.

>>8077465
Jesus fucking christ, that is horrific. It's so much worse than just the proportions, the colors are appalling. Was Kikuchi color-blind? How did this get past anyone at Treasure?

>>8077191
My Treasure holy trinity is Dynamite Headdy (their best platformer), Silhouette Mirage (their best run 'n gun), and Bangai-O (their best STG).

Aight your shitty fucking Treasure spam made me go there and play GH. I've finished it and it's good.
You were right, I was wrong.

>>8079719
true, if anything they would look even worse because we would notice every gross detail

>>8081058
Anyone who enjoys Silhouette Mirage is alright in my book. I don't know if I could put it in my Treasure top 3, due to some of its issues both PS1 and Saturn wise but I love that game all the same and wish it could have gotten a real definitive version.

>>8080774
How did you get past grade school?
It happened. The End.

>>8082663
Recently tried playing through Silhouette Mirage and a couple hours into it. Jesus, the audio is really grating. Insufferable low quality voice clips “REFUREKUTA, REFUREKUTA, REFUREKUTA“, “BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM”. The gameplay gimmick is interesting but feels kind of odd when enemies seem to take so many hits to die. In addition, I was able to cheese multiple bosses (without even trying to) as a result of them becoming stuck in place a result of bad pathfinding or animation loops.

I also don’t like the art design and the OST is the weakest of the treasure games. But it’s a neat weird thing and I’m glad it exists because it gave us Ikaruga eventually.

>>8082663
Also the fact that it seems the only way you can farm coins in SiroMira is by spamming the non-damaging cash bash grab for minutes on end with the annoying “BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM” clip is extremely lame.

>>8084413
Ikaruga is so puzzling overrated, it developed its own mystic dynamic at this point. Like some distant saga from the mists of time.
It's only OK.
At least it's a good normie filter. People like to watch others play it but god forbid it's their turn.

>>8077465
HAN is one of the worst artists i've ever encountered
it sucks too because radiant silvergun would be a perfect game if he hadn't been involved. thank god they kicked him out for ikaruga

>>8084435
>It's only OK.
I mean it’s a delightful game that makes me smile from ear to ear consistently everytime. A tightly designed game that’s excruciatingly difficult but never unfair. Artistically timeless with epic music that’s endlessly a joy to listen to. I have been playing Ikaruga on and off ever since I first played it on the cube and it’s an austere masterpiece that will be relevant 100 years from now. It was also made by just three people.

But it’s ok if you don’t like it. The things you like must be very awesome.

>>8084458
And by the way, a complete playthrough of Ikaruga is just 30 minutes long and this is a game I’ve been coming back to tome and time again since 2001. I can’t really think of a game that’s been able to be that magical but contained within just 30 minutes. I would say Radiant Silvergun… but that game is three times the length.

I've finally figured out the right way to set up HDD loading on the PS2. Finally I feel like I'm no longer retarded. If you need any help just ask.

>>8084413
Yeah the game is very much not to everyone's taste and can come off as more esoteric, confusing and weird than anything. It definitely tripped me up when I first tried it but I really grew to love how much of a wholly unique experience it was. Polarity based Run n' Gun is definitely a unique take on the genre and one we haven't really seen since especially Silhouette Mirage's execution of it. It's a shame we'll never get any sort of sequel or remake to iron out it's issues and really push it's gimmick to it's limit.

>>8084458
I didn't say that. It's a very pretty looking, good sounding game but I get bored after one run. Can't say the same thing about RSG.

>>8084458
And by the way, a complete playthrough of Ikaruga is just 30 minutes long and this is a game I’ve been coming back to time and time again since 2001. I can’t really think of a game that’s been able to be that magical but contained within just 30 minutes. I would say Radiant Silvergun… but that game is three times the length.

>>8084494
>we haven't really seen since especially Silhouette Mirage's execution of it
The 2011 game Outland.

>>8084495
>but I get bored after one run.
I sincerely doubt you can beat Ikaruga’s hard mode on 1cc (the creator’s intended playthrough, not just some elitist challenge).

>>8084495
>Can't say the same thing about RSG.
RSG is such a thrill to me thatI can’t comprehend how someone wouldn’t find it fun at the minimum. What sort of things do you like most?

>>8084495
>Can't say the same thing about RSG.
RSG is such a thrill to me that I can’t comprehend how someone wouldn’t find it fun at the minimum. What sort of things do you like most?

>>8084531
perfecting my chaining
full dog point runs
sword play
the absurdity of it all on the highest skill

it's a great package overall
and we probably never see another good port of it

>>8084549
Are you the same poster who I was replying to who said they didn’t like RSG? I was asking “What other games do you like most if you don’t like RSG?”

>>8084561
Must be someone different then.

>>8084503
>The 2011 game Outland.
It's close but even then not really, it's more of a combat focused action-platformer like the post SOTN Castlevanias and it has more Ikaruga polarity switching that's mapped to a button than SM's position based switching that's linked to which direction you're facing. It overall seems like a more Ikaruga inspired experience than an SM one, especially those bullet hell-esque challenge rooms.
Which of course if a game is gonna mimick a polarity system Ikaruga is usually the go to and it's a no brainer most people would agree it did the mechanic the best compared to SM or even something like Dimahoo. But the unique way SM did it I feel has a lot more potential to be pushed and squeeze out more fun experimentation and creativity.

>>8084637
I hate to use the word “contrived” in reference to games that are bold about being mechanically different, but I can’t think of any other word I would use to describe SM. Again, I love that it exists and I wouldn’t want a world without it. I love the weird statement of me simply saying that my healthbar changes based on which direction I’m facing. But in practice, SM’s system encourages you to hug bosses in their deadzone horizontally in a manner so it’s easy to change directions to respond to incoming projectiles of differing colors. And yes, that’s really different, and I like different, but God that in no way resembles anything natural or resembling anything real (which it doesn’t have to). But the hugging of boss deadzones on that singular pixel that differentiates if you’re to the left or the right of them creates a type of play I can’t help but describe as anything other than contrived and unnatural. But that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily bad.

If my explanation doesn’t make that much sense, I’ll make a short video explaining it because it’s understandably difficult to communicate without a visual aid.

Is there an English version of Silhouette Mirage that un-Working Designs it?
I'm not seeing anything on CD Romance.

>>8084795
I play Japanese the version with a youtube longplay of the gaijin version on another window when there are Japanese words I don’t recognize.

My general opinion is that the Working Design changes in the gaijin release aren’t that bad. But holy shit the voice clips are the most grating thing I have ever listened to.

>>8084795
My general opinion is that the Working Design changes in the gaijin release aren’t that bad and the criticism is greatly overstated. It’s fully playable and I would recommend it for a first playthrough. But holy shit the voice clips are the most grating thing I have ever listened to.

You could alternatively play the Japanese version with a youtube longplay of the gaijin version on another window when there is text you need to read.

>>8084659
I understand what you're saying, though you can still make a video for others or if you want to communicate better. I never really had a problem with that system cause it was very much still a high risk situation. You could just as easily stand from a safe distance and pea shooter your way to victory but it would be a lot slower and more meandering. Getting in close if you weren't careful you were going to take a good chunk of damage or lose more spirit than you were bargaining for, but you would more effectively do damage to bosses or even get the chance to stun lock them. Plus you were usually very close to most of the bosses anyway if you wanted to farm them for their coins effectively. It still felt like your reactions were being tested and I think there's a lot of fun to be found in straight up locking bosses out of their attacks by draining their spirit and rendering them helpless.
I think it's a fun system to learn the ins and outs of though the patterns of the later bosses especially in the final stage, are where the problems with the system rear their head more. Megido can be a slog depending on his RNG but then you have the final level bosses slew of annoyances Cyber Zohar's crazy difficulty spike, Sera's millions of really long attacks that railroad you and the most effective way to deal with Clod is to just stand in a certain spot and cheese him.
>>8084795
Naw best way to play is the Japanese PS1 version. That way you get the most content, memory saves and no WD balance bullshit. That being said you should still try the US version if you like the game just to compare the differences between the two. It's worse but it's definitely playable, I do think there are genuinely some changes made that weren't worthless and Shyna's English voice wasn't as grating as her Japanese. to me at least. Plus some of her sassy dialogue translates well to English.

>>8084960
I’m bumping this thread to say that when I get time I’ll make a quick video going over some of what I was seeing. SM fans are rare to come by, so I didn’t want to leave you hanging when there’s a chance to possibly change my opinion on SM (when I legitimately would like to feel good about the game).

http://shmuplations.com/bangaio/

>>8086607
>mfw someone mentions the original Bangai-O

Is it weird that I have a strange fixation on their weirder titles like Silhouette Mirage? Something about the art and character design really appeals to me.

>>8084436
whatever, the light-heartedness of the character designs softens the blow a little

>>8087203
I've had an on and off obsession with the game since I first beat it. It being so obscure and unique as well as being so mechanically, visually and even thematically interesting definitely gives the game that kind of factor where it can leave you wanting more from it and it's world.

>>8087743
I don't think anything made by Treasure is obscure anon

>>8087203
It really isn't weird at all. The creators of Silhouette Mirage understood that making something weird has a way of resonating with people. "The design that's difficult to remember is difficult to forget" is a thing they said on their team a lot.

On that same note, if you like SM, what are your thoughts on Stretch Panic? Try not to just look at screenshots if you've never played it. Try to give it an actual playthrough or at least look at a longplay on Youtube.

>>8087768
Makes sense. Their uniqueness is by far the most attractive thing I've found about the games, including gameplay and all else. This includes Stretch Panic, which I beat a few times, but was left disappointed by the clunky controls and lack of creative uses with the scarf mechanic. Still a fan of the game though.

>>8087768
>>8087743
>8087743
>playstation exclusive
fuck trasure

>>8088021
Exclusive deals pay bills anon.

>>8088021
Silhouette Mirage was originally (and is better) on the Sega Saturn.

The only worthwhile game Treasure made for a Sony console was Gradius V, but even that wasn't as good as past Gradius games.

>>8090002
Fuck you bitch

>>8090534
>Power Stone if he shitty

>>8090534
The game that killed Treasure.

Does Treasure even exist anymore?

>>8091003
You mean Masato Maegawa's apartment?

>>8078203
What ship would you replace it with, if you could?

>>8091342
Different anon, I wouldn't really want to replace the Arwing but if I had to chose the RVA-818 X-LAY from Rayforce.

>>8093521
Yeah at least Layer Section had two games. Starfox is not a shooter like all the others posted, and does not have the same fans. I think a fucking plebbitor made this image because of their short-sightedness and obsession with nintoddler machines.

>>8093529
As much as I like Star Fox I wouldn't consider it a shmup the same way the other games in that image are. It really does feel out of place with that considered.

I just don't seem to have whatever level of visual processioning is necessary for Treasure games. I always get confused trying to tell the flying bullets from the background objects and it's just impossible for me to play without my eye's bleeding. Though I do admit the games look good when they slow down.

Any love for Sin & Punishment?
Played through it yesterday. Game is pretty cool.
Pretty impressive it has full voice acting considering its on n64.
Also what the fuck is up it the character models? It feels like they are three times as segmented as most other low poly models.

>>8096117
S&P is actually the only Treasure game I didn’t really like. Something about how drab and brown everything looks.

>>8086323
Yo not that guy, but I am genuinely looking forward to it

>>8096117
I've only played a bit of Star Successor, it was cool but I've never gone back and played the original cause N64 emulation was bunk for the longest time. I'll prob try it out someday.

>>8099296
>Picrel is me hoping people would just memory-hole me saying I would make content but still wanting friends who talk about stuff like SM

Bumping since I'll make that video at some insanely late hour tonight.

>>8099709
N64 emulation seems fine at the moment.
That's how I played it anyway.
I noticed textures seemed pretty clear which I wasn't sure was due to emulation or the game itself.

>>8102718
Not the guy you’re replying to, but the way 3D games on the N64 look generally bother me. Blurry textures, ton of fog. And again, S&P is such a grey/brown game. But I’m tempted to give it another shot because I love treasure.

If it’s possible to rig my mouse as the wiimote in Dolphin for Star Successor that would have a huge influence on me wanting to play it…

>>8090534
I love smug Marina.

>>8103213
I don't really understand how S&P is a "grey/brown game". Grey/brown makes me think of the ugly ass unreal 3 games you'd got on the 360/ps3. Sin and Punishment incorporates a lot of blue and orange in its palette.
The draw distances in S&P seem pretty good for an n64 game, significantly better than most on the console.
Textures also seemed pretty clean as well. You could make out all the pixels on the face textures for example.

>>8103975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwTCNGAKBZA
Muddy. Brown. Blurry.

>>8077876
upboat if you hate tomatos but love serena

>>8104637
Serena is aged up Marinachan.

Bangai-O is still their magnum opus (Dreamcast remake of course, not the inferiour N64 beta).

>>8101339
I'm looking forward to it. I've been bumping the thread on and off just for it.

>>8084436
is this peak uguu?

>>8106834
Uploading. It's long and kind of unfocused since my thoughts kept changing during prep for the video.

>>8106834
Eh. Reviewing the video I made. I'm not happy with the result. I might re-record it. My thoughts change as I explain things and I don't feel like what I recorded reflects how I feel now.

>>8108594
Hey man no worries take your time. Privilege of a slow board like /vr/ is that we're really not at that much of threat of getting archived unless we just forget to bump.

>>8105394
you ever play Spirits?

>>8110695
Yes. It's another one of those soulless and inferior Treasure sequels like Gunstar Superheroes and Guardian Heroes Advanced.

>>8109006
Here you go. It ended up being really long but that's just how it turned out. I gave a bit of an overview of the game to people who might not know about the game which made it longer, but I didn't want to exclude it. So feel free to skip over that. No worries if it's too long but I've re-recorded this video a handful of times and just didn't know how else to put this together. Hopefully something about this is interesting in some way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZB7ZBRf-Cc

>>8111362
Glad you were finally able to make the video. I enjoyed watching it from start to finish considering not many people talk about this game especially not as in-depth or to this length. After watching it seems you had the same experience I did when I first played the game back in 2019, I was a bit put off by how poorly it explained it self in the tutorial as well as WD's butchering that it made my attempts trying to force myself to like it aggravating. But after playing the Saturn and Japanese PS1 version I feel in love with it and its unique polarity system and I'm glad you were also able to turn around on it playing it more.
I know in an interview the director stated one of his biggest regrets about the game was how confusing the tutorial/attribute system but I do like how much flexibility the system does actually have. You really can play the game in a lot of different ways, I remember my first few playthroughs I kind of corralled all the enemies together rendered them helpless and CashBashed them to my hearts content. It really is a neat little game that does a lot with its core idea and system but I still think it has more room to grow to become even more interesting. I'm also surprised they didn't do a shmup level though I guess it can be argued that maybe it just evolved into Ikaruga. Here's the interview if you're interested and an extra one just cause: http://shmuplations.com/silhouettemirage/
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/silhouette-mirage-interview/1100-2467604/
I think a sequel that had some QoL changes and tweaks, added more weapons or at least more differences between each parasite level, gave Shyna more movement options and abilities, more enemy variety and placing Shyna in more bigger maps or rooms that could promote exploration maybe without going full metroidvania could help push the attribute system even more.

>>8111869
Really awesome to hear you got something out of the video. It's rare coming across games where it feels like every bit of content was designed with the developers being completely aware of the implications of the system they've made.

There are not many other developers outside of Treasure who show this level of consideration in their designs. Especially when you consider there is little to no repetition among the boss/encounter designs.