/vr/ - Retro Games

Playing as Kiddy in DKC 3.

>>8080046
yeah I never got the reputation the water temple had, I had played the game several times in the 90s as an 8 year old. I never thought much of the water temple just that it was "long." It wasn't until later on that I realized it was just really tedious and boring. It's the peak of everything wrong with ocarina's design and it embodies "that part" of a game.

None of OoT’s dungeons are particularly sloggy.

>>8080056
Based Kiddie lover

>>8080046
The Water Temple is easy. It just takes patience, which is something that a lot of people do not have.

>>8080046
Nobody flipped out about the water temple in the berenstein timeline.

>>8080046
The typical meme ones:
>Navi's SOOOO annoying guys! xD
>Cloud is SOOO emo! CRAAAAAAWLING IIIIIN MY SKIIIIIN
>FF10's voice acting is SOOOO bad! (only example is the dub laughing scene)
Can't remember any others.

>>8080067
everyone was annoyed by the iron boots switching, and there is a key in the central pillar you *just* notice in the cutscene when the water raises, you have to think to drop down in there when the platform floats up

>>8080046
If I played Water Temple all in one go I never had a problem with it. What I do remember is that in several cases I would take a break from the game and every time it would happen to be half way through this dungeon. For some reason when after picking the game back up I would forget what I had and hadn't done which would make me wander up and down back up again trying to figure out where I left off. I haven't had this happen for a decade though.

Water levels in most games are difficult and/or emotionally scarring. The "drowning music" from Sonic makes me panic every time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4a4E8sObc

>>8080579
I don't think that's a bad thing. Moments of panic or tension like that are great. New games don't really have that any more. New games have no water levels. They make the experience as a whole more memorable.

>>8080046
Mother 1's difficulty, Shin Megami Tensei 3' difficulty, Kingdom Hearts 2 ruining the series by being to complicated (yes I said number 2 not 3), Final Fantasy 8's junction and story being bad, Chrono Cross having too many characters and a bad story.

>>8080238
>(only example is the dub laughing scene)


No this was legitimately good voice acting, it was intended to be cringeworthy because of context that Im not explaining because fuck you. You fell for the memes too.

>>8080238
I’ve never understood where the interpetation of Cloud as “emo” comes from. He’s dweeby, not mopey.

>>8080913
"dweeby?" not sure how you're intending that word but he is at no time portrayed as an "unattractive, insignificant, or inept person." nor is he geeky or technical. i wouldn't call him "emo" but he is definitely more on the brooding silent side. that's a character trope that far precedes emo though. the rep probably comes from the emo-style hair if anything, which was probably copied as much as it copied from. at any rate i never heard any complaints about him, we didn't care about shit like that when we were tweens, "emo" was barely on anyone's radar.

>>8081754
cloud is inept in social situations
some people interpret this as hating people or preferring loneliness, which they call emo
in reality he's just got severe shellshock and magic dementia

>>8080185
I don't get this meme because the whole stein surname isnt common where I live, so I always new it as "stain" at the end

>>8080046
Getting 0.0 in the chocobo race in FFX. I don't understand, I always thought it was easy.

>>8080046
Definitely the train mission in San Andreas. I also replayed the game to completion a few years ago as well and I beat the mission first try without coming close to failing or having a problem.

>>8080593
>KH2
I just have to assume people are trolling with this. I can't imagine struggling to understand this. It's literally for children

>>8080530
The chest that's underneath that platform is also visible on the map once you get the compass.

>>8080046
>What are some things people flipped out about back in the day
Nothing. In my experience that's a modern weakness

I don't remember anybody ever mentioning this was hard to figure out until a few years ago

>>8082369

Came here to post this, thank you for beating me to it based anon.

People acting like it was rocket science to move up and down on the d-pad. I was literally 6 when i first played this and it came almost instantaneously.

>>8082232
Speaking of X, the lightning dodging. You just put no encounters on and go in a crater. It's more tedious than difficult

Animal Antics in DKC2. For some reason people go apeshit over the Squaks section. It's pretty easy if you are patient.

Seriously every e celeb that ever reviewed this game hates this level.

Never had a problem with tank controls, they just mean that movement is relative to the character's vision instead of the camera. It's 1st person being displayed on a 3d person view. It's objectively better if you have pre-rendered fixed camera angles because otherwise you need to reorient yourself every time the screen changes. People who hate tabk controls legitimately have no spatial awareness.

>>8082480
Ditto, tank controls are fine

I never found Navi annoying in OoT

Ironically I find Tatl to me pretty grating in MM due to her more obnoxious jingle sound, and I personally say they made Navi worse in OoT 3D because they effectively placed a flashing "NAVI" text at the center of your screen any time she wants to tell you something.

>>8080238
>>8082495
Navi got hate on because the games prior didn't need that, so while she's fine to everyone whose first game was OoT, she was awful for everyone who had a played a video game before.

>>8081754
He gets motion sickness and says things like "mosey", that's pretty dweeby. Or dorky, rather.

>>8082495
Neither of the fairies are as annoying as Fi.

>>8082510
Cloud is a weird dude but that's it. I have forgotten everything about FFVII since playing it in the day, but I can definitely remember being puzzled by people calling him emo.

>>8080046
>>8080046
>(I didn't play this until it was on GameCube so I might have been more patient by that point in my life)
Didn't the Game Cube version have a QOL improvement where you could assign the Iron Boots to a button and didn't have go into the menu every time you needed to take them off and put them on? That alone massively changes the Water Temple experience.

>>8082423
It's just garbage design, yet another stage they throw bees into

>>8082409
>It's more tedious than difficult
That's pretty much everything in this last thread. You'll notice on this site that if someone doesn't like a part of the game, someone who likes the game tries to twist the argument to it being too difficult rather than boring or irritating. This kind of strawmanning is all too common here.

This includes the water temple. I've never seen anyone call it hard, but I've seen a ton of people calling it unenjoyable.

>>8082535
They made her slightly better in the Switch port. Still objectively worse than Link's other companions but less bad than the OG Fi. I think it's the fact that the game slows down to load her model, she has to physically pop out and she does it to remind you every time of basic plot that you were just informed of a minute or two ago. With the fairies, sure, they'll pop up and say shit like "HEY! PRESS THIS BUTTON TO DO THIS THING YOU DID A THOUSAND TIMES ALREADY!" but it's just text on the screen, you can quickly skip it and then they'll leave you alone for a while.

>>8082705
That's 3DS. GC didn't have that. 3DS also made the Water Temple color coded so you could see what water level you needed before entering certain rooms.

>>8080575

This led to me restarting the game a bunch of times as a kid since I always assumed that I messed up the small key usage, hence being able to say that I was stuck for two years on the water temple

Back then we went in and out of dungeons all the time. Nintendo would definitely have expected the kids to sometimes finish dungeons out of order

>>8082754
Is it actually possible to fuck up the keys? If it is, it's gotta be really hard to pull off.

>>8082369
>>8082480
I agree with these sentiments however I don't remember people complaining about them back in the day. Only on /vr/.

>>8082770
People have been complaining about that barrel long before /vr/ was even a board here.

>>8082369
This, nobody complained about it until a couple years ago.
Clearly people are getting dumber.

>>8082423
Agree. But I don't find it easy, just not that hard. Squawks' section is definitely the challenge in Animal Antics, though it's more manageable if you take your time and don't hold Y. Let Squawks be gently taken by the wind, while you just input small adjustments to his flight. In fact, you can be fast once you figure some parts out, but that's optional.

>>8082817
>This, nobody complained about it until a couple years ago
What's a couple years ago for you?

>>8082510
>getting motion sickness is a personality trait

>>8080046
Nobody actually flipped out about the water temple, its a meme started by normalfags attempting to fit in.

>>8082907
If that doesn’t give insight to his true persona, then what does?

>>8082681
He's just a blunt autist.

>>8080087

edgy zoomer playing it with a walkthrough in 2021: its easy, boys, you just need "patience"

>>8082950
Are you a retard? Genuine question

>>8080913
>>8081754
You can blame Advent Children.
Every interaction of his character in spinoff games and internet parodies after that movie caused it. You could tell when someone was a fake fan by them portraying FF7 Cloud as emo. Also I'd say his persona is more aloof than brooding while his real self is a bit of a dork.

>>8082423
Replayed the game a couple year ago and this stuck out to me as the hardest level in the game by far. Don't remember seeing any meme comments about it either. Would ecelebs even get that far?

>>8082369
People back then flooded Sega's tip hotlines over this.
>b-but it only filters zoomie peepeepoopoomies!

>>8082926
Stop trying to start fights.

>>8080046
As a kid I was stuck here for so long that I was convinced that I broke the dungeon
deleted the game and started over

>>8083139
Prove it.

>>8080046

>>8083247
I'm pretty sure they gave Big Smoke shit accuracy on purpose to make the player hate him. It worked on me. I only failed that mission once and didn't think "holy shit I hate this mission", I thought "JUST SHOOT THE FUCKING PEOPLE, BIG SMOKE, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE I'M PERFECTLY STABLE AND DRIVING STRAIGHT."

>>8080073

>>8083269
>tfw no sequel ever
It still hurts, even more so because the game barely had an ending.

>>8080046
apparently a lot of people got filtered by this

>>8080046
Why is the Water Temple hated so much in most of the Zelda games, but not so much the Fire Temple?

>>8080238
I have to admit, I've grown to find Navi cute over the years. Mostly due to finding out who her voice actor is

>>8083261
I think people were just retarded and drove too close to the train. Hell you can even see where he's shooting
>>8083285
Which is funny because you don't even have to beat that mission to beat the game

>>8083316
>I think people were just retarded and drove too close to the train. Hell you can even see where he's shooting
Have you ever seen a speedrun? They drive on top of the train and it still takes him multiple bursts to hit anything and sometimes minutes. I think they just under-tuned AI accuracy for motorcycle riders.

>>8082770
There's several parodies and some flash animations from the late 2000's making jokes about the barrel.

>>8082839
Meaning "No one complained until e-celeb(s) did", which is funny, since that'd entail there ARE people that had trouble with it and may or may not have said so otherwise even when the internet wasn't a thing.

>>8083335
That barrel was a great filter. Separates "normal" people from the sub 80 IQ retards.

>>8083370
To be fair, you have to have a very low IQ to bother playing Sonic.

>>8083423
>fucking filtered

>>8083335
>there ARE people that had trouble with it and may or may not have said so

Back then people used to feel ashamed about not solving these simple puzzles, these days however.. they instantly rage about bad game design.
ITS NOT BAD GAME DESIGN, YOU'RE JUST DUMB!

>>8080046
The Library in Halo CE, I played it with my brother on Legendary and had an amazing experience. Everyone fucking hates it though.

>>8082276
assuming they're talking about the story, kh2 is heavily reliant on the GBA card game to explain what actually happened to its characters. the stories of sora, riku, roxas, namine, organization 13 and even mickey/donald/goofy are all explained there. kh2 does basically nothing to explain any of it.
that, plus the typical squeenix writing where everything is mysterious and beyond mankind's understanding, makes people think the game is some hyper-complicated puzzle to unravel.

>>8080530
>everyone was annoyed by the iron boots switching
That's not why.
>and there is a key
That's why. The water temple hard meme was entirely because people couldn't find one of the keys.

>>8080046
Nobody "flipped out"
it's just a dungeon where it's easy to feel like you missed a key and then have to backtrack

>>8083307
wow i never knew this !

>>8082754
Yeah I had to do the same a few times. If I remember correctly though it was a very simple thing I always missed. That trap door you open with the song of time. It's kind of hidden from plain sight when you walk into the room so I would always forget it was there and just turn back around. Then the second time this happened all I could remember was that there is a "door" I always miss, so I'm going around looking for a door instead of a hole in the ground I had already opened up months before. Then of course when I restart the game I naturally walk right up to the trap door when I get to it. This is why this dungeon puts a bad taste in my mouth, but I don't really think it is the games fault lol.

I wisht he water temple was even bigger and more of a pain in the ass like the beta Zelda 64 design

>>8083335
Anon, I recall reading about the barrel here on 4chan in 2005, and before that, on Gamefaqs in like 2002.

>>8082480
In fact I kinda love tank controls and want more games to use them, limiting your movement is a key factor in creating tension in a horror game

>>8082535
>>8082738
The fairy from Phantom Hourglass is worse than any of those. If you haven't played it, try it. Within a few minuted you'll wanna swat that glowing faggot with a newspaper

>>8082764
No, iirc there's a key that's hard to find and a locked door which isn't necessary for completion, so if you don't find that key but you do unlock that door, it seems like you're stuck.

>>8082495
>>8082535
>>8082738
>>8085142
Every single character who has ever had that "role" is complete trash.

>>8085181
Yeah, but some are worse than others. I'd say Sahasrallah fills that role and he's fine since you have to manually activate the stones to talk to him

>>8085181
KoRL is great
Midna's giggle through the staticy wiimote will always be burned through my mind, but she's also good.
Navi is inconsequential.

>>8081770
>I don't get this meme because i was born in the wrong timeline
ok kid

>>8082508
Navi is genuinely annoying like once, and it's when she tells you how to open a door by pressing A, but I even kind of understand why that's there since they were easing in players who were playing this kind of game in 3D for the first time, in many cases. Context sensitive action isn't necessarily intuitive. Never worked that way in the old games.

>>8085181
I thought Midna's sultry, dominatrix motif was the imagination of my horny teenage mind, but on a replay, no. They knew exactly what they were doing.