/vr/ - Retro Games

Who claims they aren't?

I fucking loved both games, my one grief with them is the fucking Castle Center level, and I'm not even talking about carrying the magic nitro especifically. The entire fucking thing is a slog and I was livid when LoD still forced me to play it. Also they fucked up my favorite level in LoD Duel Tower

My biggest issue with the game was how it felt like it couldn't really decide what kind of game it wanted to be. You had a very pure character-centric adventure level in the Villa, an exploration-heavy Zelda-esque level in Castle Center, but also all these long action game sequences in between, culminating in the entire game just turning into a long corridor up to the final boss once you beat Castle Center, the MIDDLE stage of the game. The entire game felt so schizophrenic.

Also Carrie felt like a complete afterthought, despite her unique levels being more fun than Reinhart's.

>>8078201
a lot of games from that era should've stuck with 2.5D. DK 64 would've been way better that way, a Metroid done in that style could've worked, and of course Castlevania

>>8078224
I'd say they were decent if not outright good translations of Castlevania to 3D, and certainly better than plenty of other rough transitions out there. The original might've came out two years too late but for me it's still a great footnote for the series.

>>8078201
>but also all these long action game sequences in between, culminating in the entire game just turning into a long corridor up to the final boss
>a long corridor up to the final boss
The N64vanias are more or less 3D classicvanias, so there would be a lot of platforming and fighting enemies, the other elements either strewn about in between and giving some direction or taking center stage in the ways how you mentioned. Basically, an action platformer with some I guess would call adventure elements. Personally, I like the variety, though when I think on it, I can't help but think that a lot of it was flipping switches and finding keys. Granted, given what gen it was, I'm not surprised or even all that disappointed, but still.
>>8078142
I don't agree on the camera, but I do pretty much agree on everything else. LoD was the first CV I played and it made a real good impression with its solid if not great combination of gameplay with an actually decent story and setting. Funnily enough, I actually prefer the original for its enemy and level designs. The vampires actually feel differentiated, the levels were minimalistic but got their point across very well, and I honestly just prefer the older werebeast AI designs. I get what LoD was going for with its take on the werewolf miniboss, but I honestly just would rather have the kung fu version who fucking glides across the ground to slash your face off no matter how fucking silly that shit is. Still nice having both versions, though.

>>8078142
My only problem with those games is that I dont have a memory pak with batterys to play them.

>shota Drac gets to tap this
It's not fair bros

>>8078274
Wait a single fuck, friendo. I thought it was only DC memory packs that needed batteries?

>>8078274
...N64 memory paks need batteries? Honestly never occurred to me. Mine's a red & gold Performance and never had that issue, what's your's?

>>8078415
Yeah, I have one of those too. They take batteries. Thankfully those ones have easy batteries to replace. Though its been a few decades bro, your battery is gonna die soon.

>>8078142
>First attempt at 3d and passes
Stopped reading there

>>8078437
I'm not hom btw, I just have that same mem pak. Theres a few other paks, the tiny ones by Nintendo that need those batteries with the rim that needs to be soldered on, like the pokemon game batteries.

>>8078142
Jankfest. 3D for the sake of 3D, not because it adds anything of value.

>>8078142
>>8078260
>>8078415
Man, this game looks cool, but I've had 20 + years to understand that it's not good. What the fuck Konami. I guess the writing is on the wall how you'd end up sucking and take my precious bee baby boy with you!

>>8078287
Carrie is not for sexual

>>8078568
BYE HUDSON *BONK*

>>8078594
Then why does she dress like that?

>>8078170
I’ve posted this before, but the proper way to play these games is to play 64 first and then play LoD only with Cornell and Henry. Playing LoD with the original 64 characters is pointless because Cornell runs through both of their paths anyway and if you play him after 64 you will have seen all the content in the game while also experiencing the content which was exclusive to the original.

>>8078639
You'd miss the Medusa and spider queen fights though, which are decently fun.

>>8078601
NO DON'T DO THIS TO ME AGAIN

>>8078601
I mean the recently made the PC Engine mini which was great so they aren't completely forgotten

>>8078639
I play through LoD as Cornell and Henry and then switch over to 64 for Reinhardt and Carrie. Exceptions are made for when I either want to get a challenge from Hard Mode with Carrie or want to break the game with Reinhardt, dude hits pretty damn hard and fast, especially compared to his original self.

>>8078170
My only real gripe with the Castle Center is that one room where you have to kill a shitload of mermen to unlock the doors every time you pass through. Fuck is it tedious.

Pick one

>skeletons on motorcycles while you're carrying a deadly explosive
>three-headed demon dogs bigger than a grown man while you're carrying explosives

>>8078760
I pick the third option
>forgetting that you shouldn't jump while carrying nitro

>>8078760
I love how they turned the bikers into gatling gun skellingtons in that one hallway in LoD.

>>8078661
Both of those fights are lifted from henry's story. I say again, there is no exclusive content for the 64 characters in legacy of darkness (unless you count beating their stories for costumes, which, noc)

>>8078767
kek

>>8078142
I've been playing the first one recently on N64 on a crt and it's great.

>>8078142
>Can't we just agree these games were actually fun?
They always were.

>>8078287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMo8fpZF0nE

>>8079345
>midnight
So that's how it works. Always thought vampirism just screwed you out of certain options until this rather consistently happened to me and my dumb ass didn't think it through.

I cheesed some of the first game with save states while I was playing it, but I enjoyed it a lot. Has some transition pains from moving from a 2D franchise to a 3D one but I think there was plenty of potential there.

CV 64/LoD are some of the best in the franchise and on the some of the best on the N64.
Fuck everyone who disagrees, you are trash.
>>8078287
>>8078594
>>8078608
Fuck off with your pedo shit.

>>8080243
Pedo website.

Incredible atmosphere. There's not a Castlevania game like it.

>>8078142
>Better camera than Mario 64
You're kidding, right?

>>8080243
>pedo shit
It's one of the main characters in the game, moron.

>>8080387
>.gif
>Doesn't move
>>8080326
Not at all, the Mario 64 camera has killed/messed up a jump on me far more times than this game. While being one of the first 3d games I can understand why it gets a pass, but most people complain about how terrible the camera in this game is as one of the main faults, and I just don't see it

>>8080387
Don't pretend you don't understand what he's talking about. It's not lost on anyone who Carrie is.
>>8080584
Different anon, I only get half of what you're getting at. On the one hand, I agree that CV64's camera is not that bad. Maybe not great, and there was this one time where I couldn't get the camera centered behind me in the forest because these asshole skeletons wouldn't stop spawning some ways behind me, bu that's the only time it was ever an issue. Mario 64's camera is indeed worse...when you're not positioning it right. I hate to shit on you implicitly or otherwise, but I don't think there's any part of Mario 64 where you can't get the camera in an unfucked position.

>>8078165
everybody and their damn grandma.

>>8080652
>Don't pretend you don't understand what he's talking about.
I assume they're trolling. Considering they should know who it is and they're posting images themselves. Some kind of ironic shitposting I guess.
>It's not lost on anyone who Carrie is.
You would think so, but then we have this bullshit.

>>8080652
It's been almost a decade since I sat down and played it so my memory may be fuzzy but off the top of my head there was that triple jump ramp on the ice level. Again, not ragging on the camera too much, but if the camera in Mario 64 gets a pass I don't see why CV shouldn't

These games were trash then and even worse today

>>8082652
>even worse today
>today
I wish you /v/tards would stay in your board

Meanwhile the ps1 could only handle a 2d version. Utter rubbish!

>>8082652

>MUH PIXELS
>MUH NUMBERS
>MUH 60% OF THE GAME FORCING ME TO FLY AROUND IN BAT MODE

>>8082652
you lost buddy ?

>>8078201
>couldn't really decide what kind of game it wanted to be
What's up with this meme criticism?

>>8083910
It's canned youtube reviewer criticism #2137.

>>8083910
he very clearly explained it in that post, using specific examples from the game
it might've been better received if there were fewer adventure game elements and it was literally a 3D castlevania game
i always thought your melee attacks kind of sucked, and i think the developers realized it too since you get so much sub-weapon ammo

>>8083928
>i always thought your melee attacks kind of sucked
Not really, if you're fully upgraded (meaning don't die) you can kill everything minus bosses with the whip in one or two hits. Cornell in LoD is overpowered and almost breaks some sections harder than Carrie even without the wolf form.

>>8082605
>there was that triple jump ramp on the ice level
Really? One of the last places I would have thought of, what with it being a straight line and all, but eh.
>if the camera in Mario 64 gets a pass I don't see why CV shouldn't
I've kind of already said this I think, but yeah, I don't get it when people bitch about the camera, even in the original version. It's not perfect or anything, hell I don't even know what most of the options do, I just stick to using R, and that's honestly all I ever really need.

>>8078594
>>8078287
No way fag

>>8083928
>i always thought your melee attacks kind of sucked, and i think the developers realized it too since you get so much sub-weapon ammo
The main attacks only suck if you haven't been grabbing a couple of powerups and/or died and lost them and/or quit the game and came back. As for having a shitton of ammo, that's actually how the older games where as well, and on that note, it's generally good to not be stingy with them since yeah, they tend towards being very helpful and you're likely to get those hearts/crystals back.
>>8083940
>Cornell
>Carrie
I honestly consider those two to be the weaker ones, barring wolf form. In fact I never really got the idea of Carrie being stronger or better than Reinhardt in either version. Meanwhile I Can't Believe He isn't A Belmont and Henry fucking steamroll everything even in hard mode, but maybe that's just me.

>>8078415
Lol this part was so anxiety inducing, but i've done it so many times I could get through it with my eyes closed.

>>8078568
Just play it anyway.

>>8085146
Seriously? A fully upgraded Carrie shits all over everything (apparently she's slightly nerfed in LoD which I couldn't tell, but I did notice that her charged attack penetrates through the cerberuses multiple times and way longer than in the original game), especially due to her insane range. Also she's so much faster when jumping that she trivializes the maze chase completely.

>>8085180
I guess I just don't play Carrie in the original enough. I'm remembering what it was like playing as each character in LoD hard mode and she was the only one where the game gave me trouble, starting with the sea serpent, even. She has range, sure, but unless I'm remembering wrong, she could only have one fireball out at a time, right? That sucks for me, especially since I'm used to Reinhardt as you might guess. Dude's a fucking beast in LoD especially because of how fast he attacks and how hard he hits while doing it.

But then, it's been awhile since I played either game, so eh.

>>8078201
>>8078260
>classicvanias
A decently 3D rework of Simon Quest.

After hearing these games were nothing but shit for years, I was surprised by how genuinely decent they are. Particularly the second one

>>8085128
>I don't get it when people bitch about the camera
Because CV's camera is far worse than Mario64's.

>>8085146
X = Carrie
Zero = Reinhardt

>>8080243
Who was this guy if he wasn't Dracula.

>>8080247
it's never too late to kys

>>8086831
he was dracula wtf

>>8086831
He's Gilles De Rais, play Legacy Of Darkness. They switch after Cornell's story and Malus is born

>>8086876
Kiss my sister? I will!

>>8086831
>>8086891
More specifically, iirc, the old man Cornell fights is in fact Dracula come back too early. The old man Reinhardt and Carrie fight is Gilles impersonating him, acting as a guardian of his sleeping spirit in Dracula's own words.

>>8086831
>>8086891
>Prince of darkness secret

>>8078274
Japanese version has saves on the cartridge, which I am cool enough to own.

>>8088731
but then i cant read it

>>8086924
>when you go to kys and she has onion breath

>>8088290
Why was Castlevania 64s story so complicated in comparison to other Castlevania games lol.

>>8089692
That's what counts as complicated for you? One thing I love about them compared to the other games is that they're very straightforward when it comes to story with little to no complications to overthink, whereas the other games usually have some esoteric bullshit going on where the lore gets crammed into every cutscene and can be easily missed and how it fits into the other games. If there's anything complicated, it's overthinking the theology that goes on.

>>8089638
lol

I never played it before and I'm already getting filtered cause I didn't know you had to go to the rose garden at 3AM to progress through the villa

>>8091329
Should've talked to Vincent

>>8078142
Not sure why haven't been able to get into these yet. Feels slow to me compared to other games for this year

>>8089692
This, OoT and F Zero X have best story than previous titles.

>>8088734
Dew it & learn the language

>>8078785
They're actually even missing one nice thing, too. "Dracula" in the second level, his "miserable worm" speech is voice acted in the original. LoD makes it just text.

>>8089692
In this case, probably just because Cornells part was added later and had to make sense alongside the two existing storylines.

>>8093043
It probably would have worked better when the game was originally planned to have four characters, back when Reinhart Schneider was still Schneider Belmont. Cutting two of them and then trying to shoehorn them back in forced them to make Cornell's story a weird prequel sort of thing and just not especially interesting as a total package.

>>8078594
She pure

>>8078415
Use your short sword on the dogs when caught

>>8078760
I realized over the years ( at least in legacy of darkness) enemies with high Intelligence ( vampires and Cerberus) don't spawn when carrying the nitro whereas skeletons, armors and bloodmen do and they get killed with you when you blow up even in hard mode.

>>8088731
Didn't the pal one have battery backup too.

>>8078142
>the jumps over poison water
>the camera in boss fights (ie the bone dragons)
>the fucking hedge maze god DAMN
>enemies that are either annoying as shit to fight or barely there at all (compare wolfman to medusa heads)

I'm playing through 64 now and god fucking damnit, this game has some quality elements mixed with a lot of WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA moments. Also where is the goddamn music?

>>8095807
>compare wolfman to medusa heads
Why are you expecting a fight from a medusa head? The sinewave pattern or whatever is all they've ever been known for. Granted, maybe they should've showed up more often in packs, I won't argue with that, but you can't expect something on the level of a werewolf with a black belt.

>>8095807
You get hang of it.

>>8078142
Is it worth it to play both of these

>>8078790
>Fourth option
N64 should get SotN port

>>8096142
I honestly don't get why SoTN is yet to be on a Nintendo console. I get that during Smash, Sony swooped in for exclusivity rights on Requiem, but even before that, what was the deal? Pretty much all of the 2D metroidvanias were on a Nintendo handheld and the GBA games even made it onto WiiU.

>>8096179
>Bloodstained RotN cancellation on the Wii U
We will never know.

>>8096335
Elaborate, all I remember from a long time ago was that Wii U was more or less dead by that point or something. Honestly sucks for those who donated for that purpose and any other platforms that got fucked along the way, refunded or not.

>>8078760
That hall is clear in LoD

>>8078760
>>8094496
When the fuck do cerberuses spawn in the Castle Center? I never saw a single one there in both games.
>>8096370
If you're talking about the one with skeletons, it's not. Even worse: they have gatling guns now.

>>8079345
>Sold my sovl

>>8096370
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I should know, I've gotten fucked in both versions at least once.
>>8096378
The entrance, where the biker skels usually are. Said skels are changed to dogs in LoD.
>gatling guns
I thought that was just in the hedge maze? I honestly don't remember the CC biker skeletons having them, and thank God for that.

>>8078142
I have both. I hate them both. Mainly the opening for LoD is just so bad. It's awful.

>NightDive studios is in charge of making a new port of the game

How does this make you feel?

>>8078142
i was so pissed when i got this as a kid i traded it to a dude for like 2 or 3 sega carts and i feel i ripped him off
this was terrible the game is terrible i just dont know what else to say to you.
if you were alive when it was new youll know even nintendo power and nintendo fan boys shat on it.
its a blight on the series.
your so wrong
you mom and dad hate you
you make bad threads and bad decisions.
stop

pic related its op
>>8078439
knows whats up >>8078503
this mans on it
>>8078951
lies

>>8096417
Shit taste, LoD's opening is the horror movie parody Castlevania always wanted to do.

>>8096428
Would unironically support that. Their N64 ports are better than most of their other shit and improved camera/controls would make it more approachable.
That said, I really doubt that it's even remotely in the realm of possibility.

>>8096475
>That said, I really doubt that it's even remotely in the realm of possibility.

Konami probably doesn't even remember these games as existing. You'd be shocked at how lazy complacent copanies can be swayed into allowing a new port just because a company requests to do it. From their standpoint it's free money with no work. I believe the MM Legacy ports were entirely because a company requested to do it. It's often why these ports are cheap/lazy cash grabs by people lacking passion.

>>8096428
I don't know anything about NightDive Studios, so I don't know how it would turn out, but a port of the N64vanias would be interesting, I guess. Don't really know how to feel about it, honestly, because as much as I love them, I can't imagine people nowadays liking them as is.

>>8096546
Nightdive are publishers who have a dev team using the KEX engine to rebuild old games with missing source code into new ports. They are remakes using the same assets. They've done Doom 64, Turok 1/2, Shadowman, and a few others. Shadowman was another 3D adventure-platformer and it plays pretty similar to Castlevania 64.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDPRa2RAFyw

>>8078142
This game is fucking great. I've never met anyone who actually played it that disliked it unless they heard a bunch of people on the internet with bad opinions.

>>8096639
I remember GamePro shitting on both of them. They got shit reviews even back then.

>>8096684
Gamepro have different.

Cunny

>>8097870
>cute and funny
>C. F.
>Carrie Fernandez
They knew.

>>8097824
It didn't get good reviews.

There are no good 3DVanias.

>>8097995
Who care. Still classic game
>>8098015
You kidding? 2009 arcade, Lords of Shadow and LoI were best release.

>>8097995
Do you expect Brazil niggers to have good taste?

>>8098049
It's actually a translation of the GamePro review, but I can't find the original.

>>8086769
Unsee

>>8096407
>bought her soul

>>8096487
For Konami that might be it (though it's surprising how good Grimoire of Souls was, to the point where the team was allowed to retool it).
MM Legacy ports were 100% an initiative from Capcom though and every collection past the first one was developed at least partially by Capcom.