/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 4.0 >>8054781
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfun

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8059171

VRSKINS 3.9 (delayed)
Submissions closed

=== NEWS ===
[8-23] Tastyspleen and jehar to interview Philnemba tomorrow
https://twitter.com/tastyspleentv/status/1429935692021477379

[8-23] WRATH is confirmed delayed
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1000410/view/2948156118200289059

[8-22] Doom Master Wadazine now has a website
https://wadazine.com/2021/08/our-new-endeavor-the-wadazine-com/

[8-21] Bratwurst: Recooked released
https://youtu.be/6zHGcS50-3Q

[8-20] Quake Speedmap pack 213 is out, themed around low gravity
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62087

[8-20] Killer5 makes some MBF21 maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124007-zzul-bases-four-easy-to-very-hard-mbf21-maps/

[8-19] From Doom With Love (dsda-doom fork) has now gone public.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123998-from-doom-with-love-experimental-dsda-doom-fork/

[8-19] Quake gets a modern port and update!
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1428403921438101515

[8-16] Two new powerslave maps released
https://www.moddb.com/games/powerslave/addons/temple-of-the-fire-and-the-water
https://www.moddb.com/games/powerslave/addons/forgotten-sanctuary

[8-14] Age of Hell Demo released
https://hellforge-studios.itch.io/the-age-of-hell

[8-12] Quake Enhanced Edition TBA
https://xboxera.com/2021/08/12/a-revitalized-edition-of-quake-to-be-announced-at-quakecon-per-the-now-scrubbed-description-of-the-lets-talk-quake-event/

[8-12] DOOM Retro updated to 4.2
https://www.doomretro.com/

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

>>8065575
Okay, but I need genuine shitkino to play. Blades of Agony isn't going to cut it. Can anyone else think of some shitwads they want to see me suffer through?

>>8065732
Forgot my fucking trip aaaaa

>>8065732
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119740-sanguine-cybermancy-a-prcp2-reject/

>>8065732
Can you wait like an hour? I'm in the middle of a movie and don't want to miss out on shitkino.

vranon, is it too late to submit tracks we want to use for our map?

>>8065732
Plutonia 3: Going to Surface
Glassyman wads http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?search=1&field=author&word=Galassi&sort=time&order=asc&page=1

>>8065697
Doom in the middle, as it should be.

>>8065676
you fuckers have the funniest OP titles and pics, gotta salute you for being consistent

>>8065749
Looks shit. I'll try it.

>>8065759
These are also great suggestions. I don't know who Gamarras is, but these wads look like shitkino.

>>8065750
If you're watching Kung Pow, I will allow it just this once. You ARE watching Kung Pow, right?

>>8065773
Sadly, no. I'm watching The Green Knight with some friends.

For me, it's the mancubus

>>8065732
play Gzfreedoom.

>>8065805
They're my favorite enemy. They have an interesting attack pattern, can be stunned easily with smaller weapons if need be, and are very satisfying to damage and kill.

>>8065783
Sorry then, Anon. The show has to go on. Feel free to join us later though.

Anyway, enough fucking around. It's time.
>https://youtu.be/X-lDZemlh_w

>>8065812
also, they're fat

>>8061959
>>8061963
>Steam version of Quake went up to $9.99 over the weekend because of the new content
>GOG version was on sale for $2.99 over the weekend and will get the new content later and is DRM-free
I hope you didn't buy the Steam version.
But also you should have already owned Quake anyway.

>>8065805
>>8065812
Where were you when you discovered the pain sound of the Mancubus is Elmer Fucking Fudd saying "Quiet" really slowed down?

https://vocaroo.com/1c2JW9DfFfws

Team Fortress turns 25 today

>>8065920
A quarter century of good fun team multiplayer.

>>8065905
Oh my fucking god.

Man this UAC Ultra 2 ep1 is fun
It's really fucking nonlinear I guess lol, most of the time I don't know where the fuck I am going, sometimes I find the exit and press it and have like 29% of kills

>>8065905
Now we know who got Daisy.

is perkristian's Doom sound pack still the best one for high quality sounds?

>>8065905
Whoa. Neat.

>>8065905
>>8066007
Looney Tunes community project when?

>>8066084
did you know they took elmer's gun and replaced it with a rake in the newer episodes

>>8066109
It's so he can rip and tear.

>>8066109
Be vewy vewy quiet. I'm hunting Canadians.

>>8065812
>very satisfying to damage and kill.
Im more of a cacodemons with SSG or gatling gun kinda guy

>Quake 64
>Scourge of Armagon
>Dissolution of Eternity
>Dimension of the Past
>Dimension of the Machine
What else this meme port has?

>>8066148
Cooperative multiplayer. That's it for now. They're obviously going to add more fan mappacks to that Quake 64 menu.

>>8065765
Thanks, it's from the new AVGN episode.

>>8066148
>>8066162
Also cross-platform multiplayer so you can have your normalfag friends play half the campaign with you in co-op before they drop it and destroy controllerkiddies in matchmaking.

>>8066262
>>so you can have your normalfag friends play half the campaign with you in co-op
>tfw mine all dropped it for LoL and Destiny 2 because assmongoloid didn't play it on a heckin sponsored streamerino
I need better friends but I'm an insufferable autist at heart.

>>8065829
Fuck that first map. No wonder it was rejected. Everything else is sort of a blur to me. Also, we need to find another shitty megawad to play. Keep an eye open for me, boys.

Bros, I went too hard on DOOM and gave myself carpal tunnel.

>>8066271
Funny that Asmongloid was the name DeSinc used when he was shitposting about Asmongold and he's probably playing it

>25+ years later
>they didn't fix the inaccessible secrets in Monster Condo and Industrial Zone
>no way to grab the second computer map in the level mentioned above
Inb4 muh purism

>>8065905
Do you guys actually buy that?

>>8066284
Both of those secrets are accessible, and pretty useless. It only doesn't count for the percentage at the end but who cares about that

>>8066289
Do it yourself. Speed the mancubus pain sound up and you'll hear it.

>>8066294
The "intended" Sandy way
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bqZFs2oD8cA
I can do that but fuck luring a Pain Elemental in map 15.

Apparently another Postal game is in the works, did you guys talk about this already? If so I missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfJfMB8VKxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wooxf8_Og4k
Voiced by the guy from Postal 3

>>8066284
>>they didn't fix the inaccessible secrets in Monster Condo and Industrial Zone
Fixing the secrets could potentially lead to desyncs in demos for very little gain. It's much easier to just have the highest possible percentage be the requirement instead of a literal 100%. Theres also the matter of releasing barely modified versions of iwad levels, which some people look down upon (TNT31.wad is an exception, because it was released by TeamTNT themselves, and it fixes a major progression blocking bug)
>>no way to grab the second computer map in the level mentioned above
Max run categories typically ignore the items percentage, so I don't think many people even care.

>>8066315
JANNY! JANNY! ANON TALKING NOT RETRO! I'M SCARED! CLEAN IT UP JANNY!

>>8065905
JOOOOOOOHN

>>8065920
I'm sad I never got to play this in it's heyday, my family didn't get internet until about 2004.

>>8066367
I missed out on QWTF, but at least I got to play TFC in its prime.

so, I've put these .lit and .vis files
https://quakewiki.org/wiki/External_Lit_And_Vis_Files
inside the maps folder inside Id1 folder inside this quakespasm spiked folder
https://triptohell.info/moodles/qss/
that seems to be a dev dated 210708
and it only loads the .lit ones
r_wateralpha 0.4 and r_novis 0

>>8066402
I'll never understand .lit and .vis fags.

>>8066402
oh, wait, quakespasm doesn't support .vis files?
wtf, I hate qs now

>>8066407
transparent water is vanilla now, sweety

>>8066438
Yeah and it quite literally makes no difference because enemies cannot see you underwater.

>>8066438
>they added dynamic shadows but water still isn't even lightmapped

>>8066429
replace the maps folder of the original pak0-1 with the one in the remaster

>>8066475
now the .lit files don't load

Quakespasm definitely supports .lit so I dunno what you're doing wrong.

>>8066498
I never said it doesn't, I'm talking about the .lit files from the remaster
anyway, I've found vised maps, enjoy
https://www.mediafire.com/file/7q30veiz003o8s5/visd_maps.zip/file

>>8065732
Ever hear about Hideous Destructor?

Whats the best way to play Shadow Warrior nowadays? Is there any good port? The DOSbox version on steam is kinda shitty

>>8066514
BuildGDX

>>8066514
don't forget to play its expansions after btw, they're free and pretty good

>>8066516
Is it better or worse than the Redux version on steam?

lol

>>8066519
I've never played the Redux version.

>>8066520
Oh nononono

>>8066514
Wang is the funniest FPS protagonist of all time.
>but muh racist accent
Yes. And it's hilarious.

>>8066524
I see, im on the fence on buying it
>>8066527
I agree, i hate fags who call him offensive. Funny asians are completely innocous

>>8066529
just get the free version on gog or steam wtf

>>8066527
Wang is a hammed up tribute to cheesy kung-fu movies. He's a giga stereotype like Duke, but neither of those are done out of malice. It's done out of affection for their respective genres.

>>8066520
someone should update that because the new dopa has an extra secret level

>>8066529
Rule of thumb: If the original creators don't see money from a contemporary purchase, you've got the green light to pirate.

>>8066531
What stereotype is Caleb, the edgy fedora tipper?

are you serious???

>>8066560
out fucking skilled

>>8066560
owned nerd

>>8066527
wang is the key to all this because he's a funnier character than we've ever had

>>8066554
Slasher horror

>>8066554
I think he's just Ash but more dead

>>8066514
raze is pretty much perfect

>>8066516
>java

>>8066587
What about Java?

No more randomly shooting missiles at point blank because you were trying to tyson 20 of them at once, skellies will now dash punch your dumb ass instead if you're in that "just too far" range.

>>8066607
it's shit

>>8066614
Ok, but BuildGDX runs well.

>>8065878
>Or buy a CD key for $2 and activate it on Steam and get the update

>Cyberdreams MAP12
>"Again, once it stops, shoot the switch on the east wall, then the west. Finally, shoot the switch on the south wall, then use, not shoot, the lion switch, which will allow you to reach the exit and prevent the cyberdemons from shooting at you."
>use the lion switch
>Cyberdemons can still move and shoot even as they're being crushed
Is there a bug with Crispy DOOM causing this? The cyberdemons in previous levels weren't always unable to shoot while crushed but they at least couldn't move, I don't know what's going on here

are there wads like mario 2 with the heights and bosses and caves mountains and going through sky and stuff

>>8066621
ok, but java is still shit

>>8066632
From Cyberdreams

>>8066506
That's good though, it's just a niche interest that requires some time investment.

>>8066642
I don't care, I'm playing Blood and GDX functions excellently for that.
Is this some code autism thing like when Carmack was too busy looking at the janky implementation to see how DN3D was a really good game?

>>8066642
It's only shit when you have to code in it, but otherwise you might as well pretend it doesn't exist and play the port

What's the talk about using vkQuake instead of Quakespasm Spiked all about?

>>8066691
It runs better on huge or unoptimized maps. I think I'd rather just use FTE though, since it has all of QSS' features and mod support.

>>8066676
>>8066684
idk, le no chicken was shitting all over gdx so i trust him on that

>>8066560
have you maybe tried not standing still

>>8066712
nope. never.

>>8065905
reminds me of how the meme skeleton from undertale has a sound taken from patrick star
again, another example of id being super hardcore back in the day

>>8066560
[VGTW]

>>8066725
[VGS]

>>8066514
BuildGDX

>>8066695
Just the performance side of things? I'll probably stick to QSS for now. What are the selling points for FTE? I know about the support for the new MG episode, but I don't particularly care about that specifically. I've heard it's not based on the same source as Quakespasm, does that change anything about the way things play?

>>8066734
i looked up and FTE is based on quakeworld, which was primarily for multiplayer, so it's like playing doom campaigns on zandronum

>>8066734
>What are the selling points for FTE?

>same + more graphical enhancements as Dark Places
>able to switch between netquake and quakeworld physics/networking in one engine
>has a modified Quakeworld netcode that heavily mitigates lag (great for co-op)
>general extreme number of settings (think GZDoom) for customization
>can apparently play Quake 2 and 3 (not sure how that works)
>able to support numerous types of replacement files
>can apparently run uncompiled QC files
>general great performance

>>8066642
Irrelevant.

>>8066749
just as java

>>8066752
Still irrelevant to the thread.
You have enough other options.

pwning noobs 8)

>>8066767
HUH

>>8066767
I feel like I remember this map from Quake Live, when it was still a browser thing

if you use gzdoom graf zhal will record your doom stats and sell them to big name mappers for money and power

>>8066786
GZDoom is blocked by my firewall. It can bang its head all day against it.

What's FTEQCC?

>>8066794
A QuakeC code compiler, generally considered the best one.

>>8066791
there's nothing to block, gzdoom isn't even present in the windows firewall settings

>>8066805
I don't use the built-in firewall.

>>8066812
glad for you but you missed the point. gzdoom isn't registered as a program that uses internet connection at all

>>8066817
Can you please stop going offtopic

>>8066829
since when source port discussions are off topic?

>>8066786
GZDoom sucks

>>8066834
>source port discussions
>HURF DURF GZD SUCKS
Make a map or a mod or draw something or just contribute ANYTHING of value to this general. If you can't or don't want to, kill yourself.

>>8066848
who are you quoting?

>>8066402
>>8066407
>>8066429
I hadn't heard of these, but they are for altering the color of water textures?

>>8066854
He probably didn't feel like going back and (you)ing every CHIMKIN PORT BAD post, but the intent should be pretty obvious. Honestly source port arguments fucking ruin these threads.

That said:
>You're playing Final Doomer, and there's one weapon that completely ruins a class for you.
Which one is it?

>>8066862
what, no, .lit files add colored lights to maps that don't have them
.vis files add vising to maps that not have them (most used on maps with opaque water) as publishing with no vising is a big no no

>>8066707
I'll concede that Graf knows some shit and I respect a lot of the work he's done, but he's also very aspergers. Unless you actually understand his criticism (if he even gave any), I fail to see the point in repeating it.
GzDoom has its own jank, anyway.

>>8066925
name someone without aspergers in the doom community

jokes aside java puts massive performance strain on your system giving the same picture as raze does. it merely emulates the game, not executes it. using SP with java backend is like running a game on emulator and ignoring a proper pc port. also, build sources are technological clusterfuck, so expecting 100% accuracy from SPs is just asking too much

>>8066289
It's legit. I just played around with it in Audacity.

>>8066898
Oh, i'd read the wiki wrong. I was trying to imagine why anyone would bother packaging vis data separately (or bother modding it) but i understand now - with transparent water the existing portal visibility data is no longer correct. The .lit files still dont make sense to me, are people modding existing maps with extra colored lights enough to warrant engine features to support it? Must be a type of use i'm not thinking of.

>>8065905
That's nonsense. It's based on a pig squeak found in one the SoundIdeas libraries.

>>8066725
>He posts Tribes references
[VGCY]

is doom 3 retro gaming now?

>>8065905
Why would you lie on the internet?
https://youtu.be/9bgFpss0YFE?t=919

>>8067125
It's allowed here and every now and then discussed. There isn't much to discuss though since there isn't many mod campaigns. Phobos is great, but that's pretty much it.

>>8066560
Major skill issue

>>8067158
decino literally says the origin of the pain sound is unknown you fucking idiot.

>>8067168
And why would Decino be more trustworthy on this than anyone else anyway?

>>8067168
But it's fucking wrong you mongo

>>8065905
>>8067158
>>8067168
Stop spreading false information.

>>8067173
Because he does his research(in cooperation with others). He also understands the quirks of Doom on the code level, which here about 1% do at best.

>>8067168
>decino says
Oh, well, that settles it then. E-celebs cannot be wrong.

>>8067162
are you saying quake 1 takes skill?
looooooooool

>>8067189
The guy that posted here might have also done his research and understanding Doom's code doesn't have anything to do with where it takes its sounds from

>>8067173
>>8067176
I'm not gonna argue with you two. Just grab the DSMNPAIN lump from your doom2.wad and speed it up in audacity:
https://files.catbox.moe/59s3yn.wav
x2 sped up: https://files.catbox.moe/u8ez38.wav
>>8067191
Anon implies the vocaroo link earlier is a fake, despite decino saying that he doesn't even know where the pain sound is from.
>699.png
kys

civvie said you guys are gay

>>8067214
Damn, and Civvie has more subs too so you know it's true

>>8067214
He's right. You're gay too anon.

not doom specific nor for use in my game, so it's more r&d I guess. I try to figure out skybox creation for my retro project. that's the first one I threw together since the early 2000s. I used old software to stay more in line with the old cg look I'm aiming for.

equirectangular projection for better viewability.

This picture only lacks keanu chungus to reach wholesome 100.

>>8067225
view almost straight up
hard to make out but that's a fractured moon

>>8067229
flare vaguely in direction of light source

>>8066029
Yes, for vanilla Doom, although I recommend deleting its player death sound as it's the only incorrect sound AFAIK. For ZDoom you can use Sound Caulking, which gives unique sounds to every individual monster if that's your thing. My fav are the new spectre and shotgunner sounds, although the shotgunner is just from D64

>>8067235
view forward
giant skull (fortress?)

>>8067225
too hires

>>8067238
giant planet in bg
most of what is going on in this sb is forced perspective

>>8067189

>He also understands the quirks of Doom on the code level

Nigger only just learned what linedef actions do, don't give me that shit.

He's a skilled player, but that doesn't make him any more knowledgeable than anybody else with access to DoomWiki.

Dimensions is harder than base game, right? Played Enhanced on Nightmare without too much trouble, wondering if I should go with Hard.
Any way to disable smoke particles?

>>8067191
Posting söyak/wojak edits should be a bannable offence

>>8067280
it's fine as long as post is informative or creates discussion, just spamming pics is another story tho

>>8067287
Posting any wojak edit is cancer in any frame of reference

>>8067296
>calls feelsguy "wojak"
Newfag.

>>8067214
That's okay, I'll keep watching that garbage.

>>8067226
>"There is a a lot of bemoaning that we culturally can't build physical things anymore"
Wuh?

I just got done with a wad that present the icon of sin battle with too options.
>actually fight it out with a lift and rockets
Or
>fight through the level and demons to telefrag the icon
Idk man I gotta say I prefer the telefrag option desu. Seemed more fun than you gotta do this specific thing over and over. Just kinda rambling.

We need to get rid of these /v/ underage tourists bringing false facts like the elmer fudd above, cripple11 shilling and lies, but the janny is occupied banning people for other stuff.

In other news, has anyone ever tried to rip the textures from the cancelled Corridor 7 sequel before capstone offed itself?
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/corridor-8-galactic-wars-clk

they don't look bad but they remind me of Alien Trilogy textures.

>>8067325
>Alien Trilogy textures
I love these. Nice and moody. The thing that you do to fake lighting effects.

>>8067304
>calls le voldemort face 'feelsguy'

bruh

>>8066560
GET FRAGGED ON, YOU BIATCH1!1

>>8066554
Zombie dude with a voice that makes me cum

>>8066554
his name is not important

>>8066554
Undead Gunslinger+Ash
>>8067125
Yeah but there isn't much to talk about.

>>8067335
found another one
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/fate-cl2
the weapon sprites aren't bad and the textures are good for Quake

>>8067225
pretty cool, anon

>>8067443
Yeah, but it's a relatively small set, seeing that it comes from a canceled title.

This Has Been A Public Service Announcement

>>8067452
Looks fine to me.

>>8065697
Accurate movement

rate this SP collection from 1 to 10

>>8067464
>Looks fine to me

>>8067446
a first attempt. I will never use it, but I learned something. would be cool to animate things inside the skybox, at least having a moving cloud layer or something.

I think I'm probably gonna be late on those textures, and possibly starting my map, but we have a pretty long deadline, don't we?

>>8067476
>"my doom corner"
>he uses his desktop as his doom folder

>>8067552
with a doom eternal wallpaper nonetheless 8)

Quake > Doom

>>8067560
>unpopular opinion

Don't quote and don't reply. Stop falling to bait.
Where was the anon posting about his playthrough with hdest? Did you get the spider mastermind?

>>8067560
Duke Nukem 3D > Doom > Serious Sam TFE > Blood > Heretic > Deus Ex > Quake > Shadow Warrior > Doom 2 > Redneck Rampage

>>8067582
let me guess, its objective and final?

>>8067582
partially based but also partially cring

>>8067587
Yeah, I'd write it in /sp/ style power rankings but I'm too lazy to do that

>>8067582
Based but also cringe

>>8067476
>no SIGIL
weak

>>8066672
I am sad that you would dismiss it like this.

>>8067582
Addition

Redneck Rampage Rides Again > Star Wars: Dark Forces 2 - Jedi Knight > Duke Nukem 3D > Outlaws > Star Wars: Dark Forces > Doom > Serious Sam TFE > Blood > Heretic > Deus Ex > Quake > Shadow Warrior > Doom 2 > Redneck Rampage

nobody likes wolf 3d?

>>8067693
it's garbage, if people were to use a wolf game for ranking it would definitely be return to the castle

>>8067693
It's got its own charm, but honestly I prefer Blake Stone and Corridor 7.

>>8067661
You are entitled to your opinion even when it's shit

>>8067693
>>8067701
I really like the saturated and vivid palettes that both games use. Feels more like a comic book rather than "gritty".

>>8067703
>not liking LucasArts vidya
Stick to Doom on GZDoom.

>>8067693
I like Wolf3d but it's like the original Mario Bros to Doom's Super Mario Bros, Blake Stone and RoTT use the engine to do some interesting things though.

>>8067715
Didn't say that.
Again, see >>8067703

>>8067693
Wolf3D is the perfect demonstration of games aging. What was once revolutionary was made almost entirely obsolete by Doom.

>>8067746
Maybe. Who cares. I still learned a lot from it as a raycaster was the first thing I complete wrote from scratch after observing W3D for a week. By that time Doom 2 was almost out.

>>8067746
It's not the game that aged, but your sensibility that forces you to regard it as an FPS game and not a classic DOS arcade game.

>>8066560
>Gunshot Bride intensifies
also rip Marv I guess

>>8067746
doom just got more love and care, while wolf 3D source got fuck all. i blame shitty level designs with kilometer long corridors. why bother enhancing the engine with such awful maps? also, music is trash, 3DO port got it sorted

>>8067771
I read that as MARUM, like it was set in stone and am now wondering - we got viking fantasy with REKKR and medieval fantasy with Heretic/Hexen, but has there ever been a Roman Empire take on Doom? Something that lets me stab barbarians with my gladius?

>>8067772
Every game is a product of its time.
I agree that the 3DO port has nice music. Wasn't the "stealth" element removed in the ports?

>>8067772
doom also had more going on with the overall gameplay too

>>8067772
>he doesn't know about all those Wolf4SDL source code mods (fuck all your fancy scripting languages, damn millennials) and LZWolf
Also the level design could be worse for playability, but Tom Hall's hand on the maps added a lot of SOVL to them.

>>8067772
It could be worse: you could be playing the Catacomb 3D games, which I do right now via the source port and I am enjoying it.

If I liked DooM 3, will I also like Quake 4? Almost looks like a hybrid between Republic Commando and DooM 3

>>8066707
BuildGDX is very accurate and gets hundreds of frames per second. Programmers' autism is irrelevant to the end user experience.

Aside from E2M6 what other changes this remaster has?

>>8067794
i know that ecwolf is the best one and it's still shit compared even to crispy doom

>>8067069
lit files are necessary even for new maps, because the BSP format cant store colored lighting information.

>>8067798
Yeah Q4 is basically a better Doom 3

>>8067802
it would be seriously impressive if some 90's shooter couldn't manage to run at 'hundreds of frames per second' today

Play wolf 3d now zoomies.

>>8067823
But it's too painful. My grandpa died in WW2. :( He fell from a watchtower.

>>8067798
it's shit, i got bored somewhere at 1/4 of the game where you have to defend your vehicle from stroggs operating a mounted turret or some shit

>>8067819
Okay? The point is that its as fast as you'll ever need, even if some other programming language could do it faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnlpvn9hegQ

>>8067798
Yeah, also Prey which is the best idtech4 game.

>>8067823
Have been on it for some time, gotta finish episode 6 now.

>>8067819
Easily.
Let me at some mapping tools and I bring every modern source port to a screeching hold.

>>8067798
DooM 3 is much closer to the classic level design, while Q4 goes more realistic "military" shooter route.
Quake 4 is also slow as mollasses before you'll get a movement upgrade.
Not a bad game, especially in MP though.

>>8067814
>i know that ecwolf is the best one
Wrong already.

Please tell me the level design changes in the new Quake remaster so i don't have to pirate it.

The "human" race you play as in Quake 1 is actually pre-cyborg Strogg.

y/n

>>8067798
I like Doom 3 and IMO Quake 4 is worse, but it's still fine. Better than Quake 2.
For the first few missions player is offensively slow, like COD slow, but then after an 'upgrade' it gets much better. Keep that in mind.

>>8067842
>build engine mapping

good luck with that

>>8067836
i still don't understand why i should prefer a source port that utilizes 30% of my gpu over another source port that uses 15% of my gpu with the same result

>>8067880
>good luck with that
Easy peasy, doing it since DN3D

>>8067880
>>8067836
Does Raze have GDX's difficulty sliders, or is it strictly like nBlood?

>>8067798

Quake 4 was fucking great and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

It was basically Doom 3 with the action turned up and horror toned down. It was one of the last great examples of Quake-Life style corridor shootan, its only crime was to be released in an era where modern military shooters were already taking over.

For me it's Xash3D.

>>8067886
weird flex but the conversation was about default maps anyway

>>8067906
I could go in and make the default maps unplayable slow without you even noticing why.

>>8067870
Huh, that's an interesting way to look at that. My idea was just that stroggos are a long time worshippers of 'quake', thus the crates. Though it doesn't make much sense seeing those on human bases then, unlike your interpretation.
Why do we try to make sense out of something original devs didn't give a shit about, anyway?

>>8067125
Doom 3 ought to be among the most recent games to be allowed to be openly discussed in /vr/. the rules should be scaled back slightly to make the cutoff date be 2004, which is when Doom 3 and Second sight came out.

>>8067829
there was once a ww2 vet that actually modded for wolf 3d

>>8067924

>>8067929
His name was John Bucksnort
https://imx-doomer.tumblr.com/post/162259828485/xeppeli-im-not-shitting-you-when-i-say-this-i

>>8067125
Recently launched Doom 3 on my phone and it was such a revelation for me. Seeing the game I could barely run on PC on lowest settings in 2004, running in full HD on a fucking phone. I know it's thanks to dhewm3's multicore rendering, but anyway. Time sure flies.
As for discussion, most of mapping/modding unfortunately died after Doom3World shutdown. Notable new releases are really far inbetween now. There's Phobos Ep3 coming, plus I saw some dudes sharing nice screenshots of their maps on Doomworld recently. That's pretty much it.

>>8067937
Weird. What a legend.

>>8067915
okay, but you probably need to re read the convo

>>8067958
can't be bothered to

>>8067923
>2004, which is when Doom 3 and Second sight came out

hl2 too!

>>8067874
I hope you don't imply that Quake 2 is a bad game there.

>>8067870
Nah. They're Gilman's ultimate creation. A result of his experimentations of combining the science and magic. I mean, if you were responsible for Slipgates, Grunts and Visor, Strogg are pretty much your next natural step.
>>8067916
>Why do we try to make sense out of something original devs didn't give a shit about, anyway?
Because we're just a bunch of dorks, but not retarded enough to go full on theory shit. Just some cozy discussion for the hell of it, nothing more.

>>8067962
based retard

>>8067937
https://wl6.fandom.com/wiki/John_Bucksnort
Holy shit he started modding at 80 and he filled his maps with mutants aka the fucking nastiest hitscanner ever made.

>>8067715
I'd rather stick to Doom on GZDoom than gatekeeping like the retarded mongoloid nigger you are.

>>8067965
No, just that out of Strogg-themed Quakes, 4 is the better one. 2 still is a nice game though.

>>8067976
>Gilman
It's that guy from Quake Champions comic? I liked it, wish there was more.

>>8068027
>muh gatekeeping
Now that is a shit opinion.

Suggestion for the source port shitposters:
There is usually a "boomer shooter" thread on /v/ lately. Why not go shit up those threads? You will probably get more (You)s there than you will ever get here and the probability of a janny deleting you is way lower.
That way everyone wins!

>>8068136
I never said this but I seriously think the jannie is a bit insane with his deleting.

>>8068169
Yeah, he's not deleting enough

>>8068178
If that is how you think 4chan should be. Fine. its true there are always other boards.

What would be really cool is if the source port developers could at least put their heads together and work something out that makes your input feel consistent across every port. Then I wouldn't mind just switching ports depending which one the map plays best in.

I have no idea what the difference is, but I have been using ZDoom for years, since before I even knew what different map formats or anything like that was, and I'm just too used to the way it feels. When I try use other ports something feels off.

>>8068183
Well, you tell me. What do YOU think 4chan should be?

>>8068189
Every engine developer needs to stop having arbitrary mouse sensitivities. Someone seriously needs to make an input library that
>all input is on a seperate thread running at 1000hz
>mouse sensitivity 2 values: your DPI and cm/360.
that's it

>>8068189
Despite good intentions from everyone, ego is pretty much a thing in software development

>>8068006
Also collabed with a Korea veteran who made mods in a similar style to his:
https://wl6.fandom.com/wiki/Harry_Mass_Sr
>He released his first mod in February 2000 when he was 66 years old. The mod used dark, gloomy textures, colored floors and plenty of mutants. One mutant guard was one of Harry's own creations and often replaced the officer actor; the so-called brown boys.

These guys must have been such beasts from being legitimate war vets that they could take out Blood cultists blindfolded.

Do I need to have the Quake remaster if I want to play the new episode?

>>8068276
Yes, but you can somewhat play it with FTE.

>>8068276
>>8068285
I haven't played the final third, but the first two portions of the new episode ran great. Only messed up thing were messages, but all had something like "door_open_elsewhere_message" so you at least get the context.

>implement normal / specular mapping for your sprites & overlays
>development laptop dies two weeks later

It's been over two years but re implemented it into my current project, as optional feature of course. Will look nice on actors, especially with dynamic lighting playing on surfaces with different depth / specular values. Also dynamic projection shadows. I haven't solved the issue of shadows from 'sprites' becoming increasingly thin as the angle between the polygon and light source gets very shallow. Maybe stacking the same shadow buffer several times with offsets so create a shadow with actual three-dimensionality? Seems like a performance killer.

>>8068297
a 1070 for the "remaster" is FUCKING HILARIOUS

>>8068301
What do you mean by remaster?

>>8068304
I think he may be talking about the new Quake port. Zero clue why it’s quoting your post, though, so maybe he’s in the wrong thread.
Regardless seeing work on >>8068297 again is great.

Anyone point me towards a nice F_SKY1 texture that has a dusky, evening sky and some nice mountains in the foreground? Ideally desaturated, orange or purple hues, but I suppose I can mess around with it myself if needed.

Thanks anons.

>>8068048
>It's that guy from Quake Champions comic?
From lore texts. I don't remember him being mentioned in comic, but both of them are some kino material:
>I do not know where to start. He was mostly calm but delusional for session 2. “You know how many levels are underground?,” he asked. “Me neither.” He described winding metal hallways, some without light, some flooded in green water, leading down into the mountain. “I saw them. I saw the schematics,” he said. I asked him to explain. “We are the Dark Young,” he said. “It’s us.” He said marines were being fitted with ‘bad blood, bad bionics.’ Then he opened his shirt to show his sternum. I … need to leave this place. I’m leaving now.
http://churchofquake.com/commander-at-the-slipgate/

>>8068338
First of all, you probably meant sky texture, since F_SKY1 is just a flat. Just to avoid any confusion.

Second, look up Mechadon's Box o'skies, it has some nice skies like this one, helped me a lot.

>>8068330
Thanks. This is from the old project. I will post some newer vids once I have some actual assets to show.
Sprite creation is a bit of a hassle because you have to (ideally) export an additional normal pass for each frame (or draw a corresponding height map and covert that if you have too much time).
Same applies for other passes like specularity. I'm using Blinn–Phong here for simplicity with a (currently) fixed, per-surface exponent. I also included support for other map passes such as illumination for glowy sprite bits, reflectivity in 256 steps in conjunction with sphere or cube maps and transparency maps in 256 steps. Might as well include a faux refraction effect going with the later, so that transparent actors can distort whatever is behind them.

>>8068362

Well yeah, but you knew what I meant.

I'll give them a look.

Nu id hates the Quake engine.

>>8068439
ny id or nightdive?

Is there a config file for Quakespasm Spiked that I'm missing? It's stuck at 68-70 fps and won't allow me to go down or up. I'd prefer going up, obviously.

>>8068453
Both

>>8068456
host_maxfps?

Noob to mapping here.

How is this achieved in HFFM? ie, displaying text on a wall via MESSAGES. How do you go about doing that in a map?

I notice all the letters in the message are a texture containing all the alphabet letters, just offset to show the desired one. Is it as jank as somehow copying that all over and then offsetting one by one to show the letter you want? And how do you add that in the first place?

I tried googling for answers but I only found ZDoom stuff on showing text on screen and all that.

Half Life but on the KEX engine.

>>8068468
Why not take a look at the linedefs? You're close.

>>8066450
So did those modifications to Quakespasm for lightmapped water work out well? I forgot what the issues were.

>>8068297
What project is this? Looks quite nice. Unlike Vasyan mods, it doesnt look like the world is covered in oil.

>>8068482
Don't give them ideas

>>8067452
Lol just use supersampling :)

>>8068468
Yes, seems to be a mid-texture that is offset like that.
Not very smart unless just having texture with text is not an option.

>>8068547
The Cacodemon should really be able to digivolve. Regular Cacos are just the babies, then they grow arms like their brothers, the Pain Elementals and finally they grow also legs and reach their final form, only vulnerable to fire and silver weapons.

>>8068490
>Unlike Vasyan mods, it doesnt look like the world is covered in oil.
Those look more like you varnished everything in the gameworld, then coated all of it in petroleum jelly, then you were followed around everywhere with a floodlight.

Every single surface is so ridiculously shiny, no matter the material or lighting conditions. The people making those mods must be from another dimension with different laws of physics.

>>8068560
https://www.inputmag.com/gaming/someone-modded-doom-cacodemons-to-have-mario-legs-boots

>>8068560
Someone post it. You know the picture.

>>8068572
That Someone guy is a pretty good doom modder, a worthy rival to Anonymous.
>>8068574

>>8068575
This does not work for me

>>8068490
Experiments that evolved into what I'm working on now:
a retro first person hack and slash across thematically different worlds like a dark medieval world, a desert with tombs, a mesoamerican jungle, a greco-roman city and the icy north (a hell dimension exists on paper). Those are the ones that are outlined at the moment and I'm working on the first few assets of the medieval setting and the desert (a handful of base textures right now), all while adding new features to the renderer.

I still have so many issues to solve concerning gameplay, I have no idea where this goes.
I work a full time job so this is more a fun side project for me.
Main inspirations were Hexen and Diablo 1+2, but that is giving it already too much credit.

>>8068575
YES!

>>8068484
I don't see anything here that gives more clues anon. Could you please just explain it to me

It's over.
This a Quake general now, doomboi.

>>8068501
So what is the procedure? I have to imagine you need Visual Mode to do anything with this, I don't see how you'd do it from the 2D perspective like so

>>8068501
So what is the procedure? I have to imagine you need Visual Mode to do anything with this, I don't see how you'd do it from the 2D perspective like so

>>8068601
You you know where each letter starts, you can just write manually.

>>8068605
>Makeup And Vanity Set - Brigador Theme

>>8068612
Yeah I kinda doxxed myself accidentally didn't I

>>8068614
Yeup, now everyone knows you have good taste in music

>>8068614
my dad works at id software, he's going to delete all your wads from doomworld

>>8068490
>>8068567
I'm not a friend of that either. I try to keep the overall shininess tied to the color texture i.e. a dry stone slab floor will never show a blindingly bright highlight. Water or Ice on the other side...

>>8068606
>you can just write manually
But how? It's all done by offsets, so you'd need to know ahead of time the offset for each letter in MESSAGES, right?

>>8068575
Someone comes out with a fuckin banging doom mod every other month. I don't think anyone can top the mad lad.

>>8068468
>>8068605
Did it all manually, baby. But I copied the offsets for repeated letters.
The BSP tree can be fucking touchy about this kind of shit, so a far smarter approach is to just assemble your message in advance as a texture.

>>8068637
Do it manually the first time for each letter, then look back for the previous offset and just write it in. Or assemble it in advance with an image editing program, saving yourself a lot of trouble and time.

>>8068637
Pretty much, yes. But I assume they are all the same width, so shouldn't be hard to calculate.

>>8068643
The characters in the original Doom small font (which that is), are NOT uniform size. I strongly implore Anon to just premake it instead.

>>8068605
>>8068468
>>8068642
Jesus Christ, doc!

>>8065676
Is the pic in the OP a mod already?

>>8068747
Closest thing we have is this mod which isn't out yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MdQJg8xH8

>>8068482
Half life source already exists you bumblefuk

>>8068649
The alphabet texture is uniform. Every letter is eight units wide.

Is there a way to save the cl_bob value?

>>8066560
No one uses the elevator or the jump pad if other players are near, you're totally becoming a free frag.

>>8068757

Serious question here:

Over the last 15 years, howcome nobody has ever attempted to take HL:Source and make it actually good?

How come there isn't a scene for upgrading and improving on Half Life like there is for Doom, Quake, etc?

I guess partly because there's Black Mesa instead but that shit is practically a different game.

>>8068860
There's this: https://youtu.be/O9Fab01Ry1k

>>8068845
>if other players are near
sir, that's an ogre?

>>8068887
That's clan -ogRE- for you!

You think you are playing against monsters, but in fact selected long-time players can connect and control them, though in accordance with game limits. You've seen the professional team play.

>>8068860
>If i want visual impressiveness and elaboration, i'll pick BM
>If i want HL i'll play the original
Half-life still runs fine on modern machines (at least with steam patches), and black mesa is a more impressive version of what HL:Source should have been. I haven't played the new black mesa, but the original versions were still good.
HL: Source OTOH is apparently a test project and i can only imagine it was released to tie into the great hype to "source everything" within the modding/mod playing community, which was enormous.

>>8068769
No it isn't, because I assembled it and I wrote with it, the letter W is much wider than the letter I, for instance. There's two pixels of space between each letter, also, because otherwise faggots playing with filters will get jagged text.

>>8067797
>enjoying
where do you think we are

>>8068887
its ogre for him lol

I recall the creator of Dead Marine (The graphics/sound mod, not the one with shitty gameplay changes) was making another mod in the same vein of a graphical and sfx overhaul but was keeping it under wraps until it was ready.
Does anyone know if it's out yet or if it's still being developed?

there are no excuses for the games talked here to not run 1000 fps at all times with current hardware

If a WAD lists "Advanced engine needed : Skulltag or Zandronum", how compatible is it likely to be with GZDoom? I know Skulltag and Zandronum are forked off ZDoom so I'm not sure if GZDoom would be incompatible.

>>8069068
And yet, parts of the new Quake episode Dimension of the Machine can drop by 100 goddamn frames

>>8069089
>>8069050
*100 goddamn frames on my rig with a 2070 Super

>>8069068
If they use hardware acceleration and modern visibility culling/LOD, then yes, but if you're running an old single core software rendered game there isn't much reason to expect them to be much faster than in 2010, and if playing new larger maps with loads more entities or new effects it'll be slower still.

... but i agree with the sentiment, i want source ports that focus on speed optimizations to deal with the modding scene so i can run new content on my old potato devices at 200fps.

>>8069094
I will say too, whenever I upgrade a PC component like the GPU or something, or just up to a new rig altogether, it's really satisfying to just boot up a really old game like Doom or Quake just to see how many frames I can get on the most bare minimum of games that I can run with

>>8065676

>>8069083
There's really no hard and fast rule about it. Some maps might just use Skulltag textures/actors, which should be fine as long as you load those resources, others might use ConsoleCommand scripting or other Skulltag/Zandronum-specific features and those won't work at all.

>>8068572
>https://www.inputmag.com/gaming/someone-modded-doom-cacodemons-to-have-mario-legs-boots
Rather unsettling
>>8068575
Genuinely a little frightening

>>8066707

>>8066609
i like it

>>8069237

>>8069279
OH N-

>>8069279
based orig res player

Really need to set up multiple settings for each port/era combinations

What is the general opinion of Hacx?

Since when does Crispy Doom run DBPs?

>>8069452
Since forever because they're limit removing mapsets and they have no reason to not run in crispy
Check my 5

>>8069457
check this 6 instead

>>8065697
>doomworld updated working worked
>dont keep code tonight
When your new web backend dies 10 minutes after deployment.

>>8069387
interesting gameplay and concepts but the level design goes to shit after the first third

The gameplay is markedly distinct from the DOOM formula - everyone is made of putty and so are you, and you run out of ammo fast.

Truth be told, you'll end up finishing the game out of intertia rather than interest, and it's very easy to play. Good ideas, bad implementation.

>>8069452
DBPs are Limit Removing
What are you talking about anon

>modding zdoom
>try to use function outlined in the wiki
>hm, must not have used it right
>try various methods
>nope
>nope
>nope
>look up errors to see if anyone else has this issue
>nothing pertains
>finally find a thread from 3 years ago
>oh, that feature was removed because it was obsolete
>no replacement
>still in the wiki
Fuckin love it.

>>8069387
It's got some unique ideas I've never seen in any other idtech levels, official or fanmade, but the art quality varies extremely and the levels themselves quickly drop off in engagement. It's biggest legacy is being the source of that kick sprite that every third gameplay mod used.

has anyone ported those remaster quake models to quakespasm?

>>8069614
They work with Quakespasm and FTE, should work with others I hope.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nDLfarkq9unj6V_sdypUblMewcdl1mrQ/view
Rename it to "pak2.pak" if it's for the first Quake, for any other level packs rename it to the next that would follow.

>>8069627
excellent, thanks!

>>8065676
https://twitter.com/Xenaero/status/1430340149963943942

>>8065732
Go make something in Oblige with a stupid amount of monsters

>>8068584
>thematically different worlds like a dark medieval world, a desert with tombs, a mesoamerican jungle, a greco-roman city and the icy north
>Main inspirations were Hexen and Diablo 1+2, but that is giving it already too much credit.
I mean... That's not an actual order of worlds which you progress through, right? It literally sounds and matches Hexen 2.

Stupid nitpicking aside, good luck with your project. I hope it works out well for ya.

>>8069387
sucx

I always wanted to ask /vr/ DOOM what your favorite Doomer Boards Projects is. I'll begin, the most cool imo are:
1. DBP 27 (summer beach themed)
2. DBP 20 (fantasy d&d themed)
3. DBP 23 (egyptian themed)
4. DBP 35 (Stroggman tundra)
5. DBP 19 (X-mas themed)

>>8069627
Minor gripes aside these updated models are great, it's a shame the other aspects of the new port are in they state they are.

>>8069761
They're pretty fun. The new episode has been as well, and I think the latest version of vquake on github can play it now.

>>8069780
The new episode was pretty hit-or-miss with me. It really made me realize how limited Quake's base roster is.

>playing HD
>pick up 5 medkits
>run out of autosutures
>drop them all
>pick up a few fresh ones
>still no autosutures
I'm sure the solution is simple and I'm dumb but please tell me

>>8069783
>It really made me realize how limited Quake's base roster is.
Yeah, I don't understand why the mission pack enemies are always avoided, especially in an official expansion 25 years later.

https://twitter.com/superactionfunb/status/1429505970426707973
Pretty cool.

>>8069627
Neat.

>>8069870
Drop the actual staple gun, then unwrap a new medikit.

>>8069880
Yeah, I don't know either. There's only so many ways you can throw 2 or 3 Shamblers and Vores at the player.

>>8069528
What were you trying to do?
What feature was removed?

>>8069884
It's got the reputation it has for a reason, but I always wanted to see more of the concept stuff for D3, just to see what could've been

>>8068297
Doesn't look good on the walls/floor, but man, that looks fantastic on those sprites.

>>8069880
They must be using some custom code for the new episode, since it has rotating brushes.

>>8069891
flipping stereo audio
to be fair if I had searched the feature itself directly instead of assuming it still existed I would've found that it didn't much sooner.

there's apparently no way to do it though.

>>8066767
how do I sideammo count like that?

>>8069898
https://youtu.be/Qj3dPyk7hPI
"The Macworld Baron". I'm guessing that name is a bit of a placeholder, seeing as they've nailed the reimaging of the Hell Knights, to the point it's still reused in Doom '16. I, too, imagine it being a bit of an imp somehow.

In the meantime, this mod is coming along nicely.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/scary-monsters

>>8069686
so that's how those are made

Gosh jolly, Quake is pretty fun.

>>8069528
The ZDoom Wiki is partially really retarded, it'll tell you on every actor definition page not to just copy the actor and add it because it'll cause problems, and to always use inheritance instead.

Problem is that there's various bullshit issues with inheritance for monsters, like if you want to add a stompy footstep sound for the Mancubus, inheriting will ALWAYS break this because it will always go to the original actor's Chase state, even though you wrote a new one.
Copying Fatso and altering him as you see fit, and replacing the original, fixes this, without causing any problems.

>>8069975
I suspect what they mean is to not use the same actor name, but thst's really not obvious from the wording.

>>8069921
>In the meantime, this mod is coming along nicely.
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/scary-monsters
Great stuff. Not feeling Betruger though. He's missing the sinisterness.

>>8069279
What's Doomguy crying about?

>>8068297
>Maybe stacking the same shadow buffer several times with offsets so create a shadow with actual three-dimensionality

Make the shadow code check from which angle the light caster sees the target and project mask of that angle frame instead. All your decorations/actors must have 8 angles then though.

>>8069279
what is this

>>8069279
i-is that an texture advertising a different website? AAAAA IM GOING INSANE HELP ME MODS

Well anons? Can you solve this mystery for a free poster?
What we know:
Wasn't made by anyone at Id.
Wasn't any of the painters who worked on cover art.
It's seemingly not painted, but a 3D model.

So who did it?

>>8070120

>>8070129
No one who worked at id.
Unless Tim willits invented moonlighter ng as a different person to have multiple credits on the same project.

>>8068590
Sorry, I meant, press Q to get out of 3D mode and literally look at the linedefs.

>>8070129
I doubt it was him, considering I don't think he was even on id software's radar until 1995.

Why does Alkaline has both Plasmagun and a Lasergun?
Lasergun does more DPS and more damage-per-cell at the same time, AND 100% accuracy compared to plasmaguns whild spread, making it strictly superior choice in any scenario.

>>8069886
Thank you!

>>8069880
>>8069889
There is sporadic Quoth and AD content, and other mods that pull in new stuff, but it is a little strange just how much user content relies only on the base game.

Jesus Christ

>>8070270
You should have saved that quad damage son

>>8070270
It's not Jesus Christ, it's just a shambler, three fiends and a knight's hand. Easy mistake to make.

>>8070290
got'em 8)

>>8070120
>It's seemingly not painted, but a 3D model.
This is wrong.

>>8070339
>Gremlins
How fucking high were the guys at Hipnotic?

>>8069904
>walls
I reduced the normal to minimum for the sprite demo. It is more pronounced in the new version.

I also played around with parallax occlusion mapping to give textures depth and it looks surprisingly good even with low res textures but I haven't solved proper edge blending yet.

>>8070070
Thank you! I'm on it.
>8 angles
Not a problem, just more to export during sprite creation. I could go for even more angles since I'm batching all the output now.

post guilty pleasure levels
other games and mods allowed

>>8070391
Why is Refinery a guilty pleasure? It's one of my favorite levels of E2.

Nightdive demands too much from zoomers

>Foggy Bogbottom
Damn, Crucial Error was already pretty big, but this is insane. Found 15\16 secrets without looking them up.

>>8070270
you need to restart your game, your UI is being filtered

>>8070405
Did it second try. Got unlucky at the end the first time.

>>8070405
but the achievements were added just a week ago?

>>8070440
Quake Remaster should have got its own appid but I understand why it was done the way it was done.