/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8050102
Question for CRTfags, what's the best set up to use if I want to emulate mostly and run original hardware only some of the time? I'm more interested in a CRT tv than a monitor, because I also intend to hook up a VCR and sound system to it.

>>8050180
mister, with a few adapters.

A PC monitor can have a vcr hooked to it.

Always remember to wear protection when using a CRT to avoid cathodic rays getting in your eyes.

Is this a decent intro-level CRT monitor?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255073019717?hash=item3b63896745:g:dxAAAOSwXylhBsqj
16 inches, 160Hz, for $100 shipping included.

>>8051037
also according to https://www.cnet.com/products/g-78-series/ it has a 160Hz vertical refresh rate, but none of the listed "factory preset resolution modes" are at 160hz. Could somebody explain this?

I have an rgb modded 489i crt. What's the best way to get video from my NAS to play on it? I see a rgb scart adapter for a rpie4, not sure how that would work or if it would be the best option

>>8048367
Same anon here. Turns out the image of the other one died 1 hour later. 2 TVs gone in 1 day...
Found someone giving away a used 17" in the original box. Waiting for them to reply.
This all happened yesterday. I've dreamt about CRTs and my childhood's room. My heart still hurts.

>>8051079
I meant to say a used 17" monitor. Gonna be a while until I find a decent sized TV. I have 2 14" ones saved up, but that's too small for couch distance.

>>8050180
The audio jack on the the raspberry pi 3b and up also function as video out. You can connect via composite using this: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2881?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv_X585S_8gIVQGxvBB10MQ_0EAQYASABEgLSxvD_BwE

>>8050102
found a trinny today at the curb. KV-27FS16 from sept 2000. tube is bright and geometry surprisingly good. cord was cut so i wired another one. not as good as my KV-27FS320 excited to now have two.

how likely am I to kill myself trying to adjust the yoke on a tv? it's not like there's really a way to do that while the TV is off if you want to get it perfect. It's not even really clear to me what parts inside a CRT are the shock hazards considering you only seem to need to discharge the part under a rubber suction cup thing.

Is it possible heavy ghosting/trailing has a fixable cause or am I sol? For what it's worth Op's pic is the one I picked up.

>>8051347
>It's not even really clear to me what parts inside a CRT are the shock hazards
If you have to ask you probably shouldn't bother.

>>8051353
I don’t think so, replacing caps and lowering G2 are probably your best bets

>>8050102
Recently got this Compaq CV535 monitor from my grandpa. Used it a ton growing up, playing UT99 and CSS, but it's been sitting in his office for a few years without anything hooked up to it. He let me take it off his hands and it's a fucking beaut. Super crisp and smooth image at a 1024x768 resolution, but the colors seem a little washed out if anything. The only options you can adjust are contrast, brightness, and image orientation. Can't find any manuals online either, so I have no idea how to access the service menu if there is one. Otherwise, I've already played a ton of new and retro on it and have had blast with how clean everything looks. Might just faze out my rather new LCD monitor entirely.

>>8051401
I wouldn’t, CRT’s have their uses

>>8050102
Found a good condition CRT in the trash (in the rain). Removed back casing and removed any obvious water with a towel (there wasn't very much) - after 30 hours or so, it looks dry. How long should I wait before attempting to power this on?

>>8051439
It’s one of these, except it looks like new compared to pic related. I know it’s piece of shit CRT but I hope the thing works.

>>8051439
>>8051708

>>8051439
Make sure it is bone dry inside before you power it on as high voltages are inside. Don't touch anywhere near the back of the tube inside the case unless you really know what you are doing either.

I am interested in getting a CRT monitor for my gaming PC. What is a good display port to VGA adapter? I have also seen some USB to VGA adapters, arew they any good?

>>8051048
The horizontal refresh rate

What's up with all the people who have no idea why they're doing?

I dug up both of my IBM P260 21". Gonna connect them to one of my old Evo W6000 workstations. Fingers crossed. No smoke, no fire, no explosions.

>>8052315
you suck dick

>>8052352
Well it didn't smoke or explode. The blacks are unfortunately not as brilliant as they once were. Got better after some warm up time.

>>8052315
>why they're doing?
Retard.

>>8052172
don't expect amazing contrast if you get one, the lack of backlight bleed and ips glow is nice but otherwise it's going to be comparable to the off gray you see on newer lcds.

>>8052315
Like what you moron?

>>8052567
No proper camera at hand but this is what it looks like connected to one of my old production workstations.


I also found Unreal and Forsaken on that machine for some reason, but I don't have the CDs anymore, so these won't start.

>>8052845
Looks pretty good. 21" for a monitor is a rare thing nowadays.
I just got word that I can pick up a 17". 1h40m ride total though. Maybe it will help me relax.

>>8052172
USB to VGA is better but your card has to support USB-C

Hitachi Superscan MC 21 RasterOps for sale on ebay for $100 local pick up in Connecticut.

Listing says it comes on and says "invalid sync" but that's probably because they don't have any video signal going to it.

>>8051353
There's probably nothing wrong with your CRT. Trailing is the nature of the technology.

*Some video and workstation monitors have higher quality phosphors in them which reduce the trailing effect.

>>8051048
>>8052287
Vertical refresh rate being at 160 means the monitor won't ever display more than 160 fps, no matter the resolution. The vertical refresh rate is the one you want to pay attention to.
https://www.pctechguide.com/crt-monitors/crt-monitor-resolution-and-refresh-rates-vsf
This explains it well, you can use the formula to calculate what your monitor will be able to do. For example, in your case: 85,000 / 600 x 0.95 = 134,54. Means you'll be able to do 134Hz refresh rate at 800x600 resolution. You'll have to create this resolution mode in Custom Resolution Utility.

Can this be unfucked with the service menu or am I gonna have to get the caps replaced on it?

Grid looks fine for some reason.

>>8053802
You can try the service menu but you must write down every single setting for everything before changing anything.

I repeat: you must write down every setting before changing anything. Do not skip this step.

Do not change anything without knowing what that setting does before hand. Do not try changing anything to "see what it does".

Repeat:
Do not change anything without knowing what that setting does before hand. Do not try changing anything to "see what it does".
There are guides on the internet that will tell you what the different letter codes do. Only change the minimum ones you need to change. In this case it might be center bow and lower right corner bow. If your CRT has those adjustment options.
Just get it roughly square and then say "good enough". Don't be going in over and over trying to get it perfect because it isn't possible.

Capacitors aren't the only thing that can cause this problem. Power delivery can also be bad.

>>8053835
Also do not ever use the Factory Reset option in the service menu. It will fuck things up even worse. Your CRT was calibrated before shipping and resetting everything will erase that calibration.

>>8053835
>>8053842
Good to know. Is it always going to have some "bloating" on the sides because it's a flatscreen?

>>8053795
>>8053802

Is there any reason why using shaders to digitally refine convergence on a PC CRT would not work?

Or even perhaps on a CRT projector?

>>8052352
Forgot to add that I almost tore my shoulder while hauling them up from the basement.
These are 74lbs each. I had them both running at 1920 x 1440 @ 75hz, with 1600 x 1200 @ 85hz being ideal. Original retail price was $1195 btw.

Perfectly plain and still super vibrant after some warmup but for now they'll go back into storage.

>>8053890
A big issue would be the fact that there is no feedback for the computer to know which phosphor has been hit, and if it did, which pixel or beam refresh that corresponded to

So now PC monitors are being memed into oblivion…

>>8054190
fuck off, actual hardware faggot

>>8054190
Good ones like professional broadcast and CAD CRTs are actually worth the trouble

>>8054203
youre a faggot

>>8054210
What a comeback. >>>/b/ is that way.

Fuck HD CRT TVs

>>8054235
>old bad
>consooooom

>>8054239
Wrong. HD CRT TVs are not old enough.

>>8054235
Reverse psychology won't work this time.

>>8054096
I was more thinking you would just eyeball it and would intentionally mis-converge the picture digitally with a shader in order to compensate for the real mis-convergence of the monitor.

So if it looks like red is out of alignment by one pixel to the right you use the shader to digitally misconverge the red part of the image to match it, thus giving you a better overall image.

In a best case scenario you'd have the ability to do this in specific regions like you can on a CRT projector.

>>8054247
They've been around since the mid 90s.

>>8054318
And they've been trash the whole time.

>>8054335
Alright you win. Now fuck off.

>>8054317
My fw900 has this ability to adjust the convergence of something like 100 sectors across the screen, no shader necessary it does it electromagnetically.

I use the RetroArch crt-royale filter and it's peak comfy. Looks just like a real CRT but better

>>8054348
Yeah, I used to have a Sun GDM series monitor that had the same ability. Best desktop monitor I ever owned even with the G2 brightness problem plaguing it.

>>8054353
CRT-Royale can also work on a PC CRT to simulate a CRT television, arcade monitor, or high-end video monitor.
It helps if your PC CRT has an impedance switch so you can set it to high mode to compensate for the loss in screen brightness.

>>8054335
No they haven't. They were incredibly popular with the AV crowd. It's only clueless retro gamers that trashed them.

>>8054389
the TVs were quickly replaced by plasmas for videophiles. the projectors are arguably still relevant

>>8054353
>looks just like a real CRT but better

>>8054398
>the TVs were quickly replaced by plasmas for videophiles.
All throughout the plasma era there were CRT loyalists on the AVSforum.

>>8054404
It'll have better geometry and convergence than a real CRT.
Ironic thing about shaders is they do their best job by simulating a really high end CRT like a BVM.
But shader users don't want that and want to simulate a shitty old consumer TV, which is much harder to do.

>>8054423
it's funny because I have RGB on my CRT and for most of my consoles I prefer composite, go figure

>>8054423
Absolute bullshit.

>rgb

>>8054432
elaborate

>>8054431
Same.
Most of the time these days I only use RGB for arcade games.

>>8054494
are you me?
and my 6th gen consoles + my 360 for DVD's

>>8053795
Turn down the contrast

>>8051401
you can use windows' "calibrate display color" shit to adjust the colors if you can't find a service menu with RGB adjustments

>>8051439
let it dry at least a couple weeks.
maybe open it up (no need to discharge if you don't touch anything but the case and VGA cable) and look for any weird bullshit, or let it dry with the back cover off to accelerate its drying.
i have this exact CRT btw; you can get the service manual here: https://www.manualslib.com/download/1200968/Dell-E773c-Series.html

>>8052567
make sure you adjust the "brightness" and "contrast": https://poynton.ca/PDFs/Brightness_and_Contrast.pdf
tldr, the "brightness" adjustment is really black level. the "contrast" adjustment is luminance.

>>8052567
>The blacks are unfortunately not as brilliant as they once were. Got better after some warm up time.
Completely normal and it can take up to an hour for a CRT to get fully warmed up.

>>8050180
MISTer without question

>>8053670
Thanks. I decided to buy that particular model because it seems pretty good compared to other monitors being sold at the same price point. Hope I didn't make a mistake.

>>8054741
I also just bought a Delock 87685 Displayport to VGA adapter. So it should be as easy as connecting it my graphics card, and setting a compatible resolution and refresh rate in xrandr, right?

>>8054235
They are the exact same shit as the 00s computer monitors people seemingly want.

>>8054834
Lol no, HD CRTs are not VGA monitors

I looked up the wiki but there is no chart about CRTs. What is the best European CRT TV or is a CRT monitor with quality speakers(and which) better?

>>8055030
what are you asking. Best for what application, original consoles or emulation?
Also, it's impossible to be this picky. You have to settle for what you can find. Browse local listings and if you see something you think is good, show it here and we can advise

r8 my setup, guys :)

>>8050180
Others are saying MiSTer, but this has some caveats.
If your CRT only has composite/S-video inputs, you're kind of SoL, since the MiSTer can only output HDMI and VGA natively.
A certain Spaniard does sell and adapter, but I have a Haier TV it doesn't work on at all.

>>8054317
You know you can already completely move convergence of R G & B in CRTroyale right?

Anyone know how to get the service menu on a KV-M2151U? I'm terrified of opening it up.

>>8056039
Sony Trinitron btw

>>8050940
isnt that what the screen on the tv is for

>>8054602
>a couple weeks
It was fine and is operational after less than 48 hours, you asshole.

>>8054353
Except it looks nothing like a CRT.

>>8055979
just to illustrate my point, I've tweaked each convergence setting, look at how each colour has an individual layer

>>8054353
There is no physical way of recreating the characteristics of a CRT on a TFT display. You may approximate the look, but it will never pass as output from a CRT.

>>8056139
it looks nothing like a crt

>>8056157
>missed the point of my post
I have a CRT that I use dumbass

>>8056171
Still looks like shit, Easymode is superior to royale in everyway.

>>8056412
when i look at this image it still looks like shit to me, but not as shit as that shmup screenie

>>8056139
>1920x1440
>CRT
Fucking liar.

finally came to the realization that composite is pure poo but i dont want to spend the effort to rgb mod all my consoles

>>8056421
Some more expensive ones like >>8052352 posted can easily run at these resolutions.

>>8056547
>rgb mod all my consoles
>Most consoles already do rgb and the ones that require modding (nes, N64) look like shit through rgb
?

>>8056421
Have you ever owned a CRT monitor

>>8056139
Yes, I know about it. I might see what it can do on some old televisions I have in the future.

>>8056412
>Easymode is superior to royale in everyway.
Not even close imo. Royale is far and away better.

>>8056657
cant think of a single retro console that supports component cables out of the box
they're all either composite of rf, also my tv doesnt support component either and i dont feel like looking for a better one

>>8055110
>If your CRT only has composite/S-video inputs, you're kind of SoL, since the MiSTer can only output HDMI and VGA natively.
It can output 240p RGB can't it? It would seem like any of the converters people use to build superguns would work.

>>8056707
>cant think of a single retro console that supports component cables out of the box
PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube

Component is not the same as RGB.

PlayStation, Genesis, Neo Geo AES, a lot of others support RGB out of the box.

>>8056421
my ibm p275 does that too. got it as a refurb for 80 bucks back in 05 or 06

>>8056726
Barely retro. I know the rules changed this year, but GCN has a radeon and the xbox is an x86 PC for fuck's sake.

>>8056657
n64 doesn't look worse via rgb than it does via s-video.
>>8056139
Nothing like a real CRT; convergence is not linear across the entire tube surface.

>>8056080
Yes
>>8054698
Only on really old/worn down tubes. Usual practice is to calibrate after it's been on for 30 minutes on sets from the 80s

>>8054423
I have a BVM and PVM and those shaders aren't comparable.

You've got some sort of bloom happening. Lower the contrast and it should go away somewhat.

Recap as well.

>>8056698
>>8056412
All crt emulation shaders are shit; when I play on an LCD I just use a 4:3 stretch with something like sharp-bilinear or pixellate and nothing else. There's no point in trying to pretend a display is something it isn't.

>>8051439
it's probably good to turn on, but i'd just wait two or three days to be really safe.

Might want to turn it on in a garage or somewhere else non-flammable too just to be careful. But it'll probably be fine.

Is this a reddit moment?

>>8054813
The maximum refresh rates that i showed you how to calculate won't be there by default, you'll have to specifically create them yourself. On Windows i use Custom Resolution Utility, google says you can create new modes with xrandr, so you should be fine. I hope everything goes smoothly :)

>>8057128
Last pic for now, I think.
>>8057131
Spending more than $25-30 on a consumer CRT is a reddit moment. Particularly a flat screen crt, and particularly particularly a trinitron. A good condition trinitron isn't necessarily better than a good condition shadow mask; you just have a lower "baseline" level of quality that you can expect from shadow masks in general because there's a lot more variance.

I lied, one more
>>8057147
Apple IIe composite color monitor from October 1987, btw. Might be my favorite for Famicom/NES games, even though it's composite-only.

I think I know how I can mod s-video into it since it has a 'chroma kill' switch to disable the color decoder, but don't care enough to since i have other CRT's that are good for S-Video/RGB stuff. Just think the dot pitch is really nice on it for NES/Famicom.

>>8057128
theres a guy on craigslist selling two of these for 5 (FIVE) buckaroos. id get them but i really have no use for them

>>8057164
Oh hey, that's exactly what I paid for mine at a HAM radio convention.
Do it; even if you just do it to sell them they go for way more than $5 because apple collectors are retarded.

>>8057047
The systems are 20 years old. The NES was Retro in the early 2000s and it wasn't yet 20 years old.

>>8051439
Put somewhere hot and dry for several days before doing anything with it.
Using a hair dryer on it might mess with it and cause the screen to develop funny colors.

>>8057131
For $150 I would want that to be a one owner CRT from an upper middle class owner who had it in a guest bedroom. Basically near-mint.

>>8057147
>Spending more than $25-30 on a consumer CRT is a reddit moment.
There are consumer CRTs I'd easily pay over $100 for. Especially the late generation shadow masks with component input.

I'd also pay over $100 for a nice vintage console television if I had a place to put it.

>>8057168
>Oh hey, that's exactly what I paid for mine at a HAM radio convention.
God dammit I miss ham fests, In the 90s and early 00s you could find just about goddamned anything and everything

I'm asking here because I can't seem to find a straight answer anywhere else. If I were to get component cables for my PS2 and play PS1 games on it, would it more or less approximate the look of PS1 RGB?

>>8057325
No, it would be identical.

>>8057325
If a CRT had both Component and RGB support and you were flipping back and forth between them you'd see a very tiny difference. And the component might even look better.

So yes it will approximate the look of PS1 RGB to 99% accuracy. The biggest difference is that televisions with component input vs a monitor with RGB input different often differ in designs and put out a different looking image.

tl;dr yeah just go ahead with the PS2 and component, you're good bro

>>8050180
crt monitor usually dont go below of 31khz, retro consoles like ps1 and prior do resolution of 15khz (480i or 240p)

>>8057231
>There are consumer CRTs I'd easily pay over $100 for.
Just how bad things are around there? I got 4 good sets for less than $100,

>>8056412
>still looks like shit
The point of my image was to show that each layer of RGB was independent in crtroyale, stop being dumb

>>8057053
>Nothing like a real CRT
I wish you people could read

do screens that curve have different alignment than square flat sets?

>>8057409
$100 isn't really much money to spend on a hobby for something you're presumably going to spend hundreds of hours staring at.

My general outline for a desirable consumer set to my taste:

>at least 27"
>black body
>black screen when powered off (there are different types of phosphor coatings that CRT fans seem to have neglected to catalog)
>at least s-video input, component is preferable
>shadow mask
>curved screen
>passes inspection for potential power and capacitor issues

I like large CRTs so I'm willing to hunt around and find something that has not been abused in its life and doesn't have any chance of bringing pests into my house.

>>8057556
Also some of the last generation CRT televisions have too severe of a comb filter and noise reduction turned on and it smears games played through the composite input. I want to be able to turn that off in the service menu if I can.

>>8051347
No danger at all, I do it bare hand all the time. I stand a mirror on front of the set so I can see the screen when I'm adjusting. I also use a socket on the lock down screw instead of a philips driver since you gotta push down on a philips to ensure it doesn't slip. With a socket you don't gotta do that and evey lock lock down screw I've seen is a hex head.

>>8056707
Who mentioned component. All consoles after the nes output rgb scart

>>8057556
I see those on the side of the road all the time. Typically the Toshibas with "color stream" component. They are not worth more than $30, they're abundant

>rgb

>>8057993
If they are on the side of the road I don't want them. They have likely been jostled and could have cracks in the chassis or neckboard. I don't want to have to deal with that. I've fooled around enough with beat up CRTs.

>>8058098
yes, those are the colours of light

>>8050102
how do I take better pictures

>>8058370
Shutter speed

>>8058372
could you elaborate?
I tried matching the monitor's refresh rate but I still get that dog ass artifact unless I get really lucky

>>8058398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISY-7gEFms

>>8058404
I did that but I still get the strobing
must be the electrical infetterence

>>8058465
then whatever setting you changed is not the shutter speed

>>8058478
it literally is

>>8058495
then the only other thing is what ever you're playing is not 60fps, are you playing PAL?

>>8058398
what model of CRT is this?

>>8058508
60fps at 60hz, also I tried video and its perfectly fine, the strobing only happens when taking pictures it seems
>>8058529
dell ultrascan p990

>>8058553
then take a video and remove a still from whatever timeframe you want
it seems like the pictures don't apply to the shutter speed on whatever app you're using
unless you are playing 480i content

>>8058553
>dell ultrascan p990
Try taking a photo at 1/30 of a second.

>>8058553
Are you running in 240p 120hz mode?

>>8058561
>whatever app you're using
its a 10 year old dslr
>unless you are playing 480i content
happens at any resolution
>>8058568
it didn't get rid of it
>>8058572
2560x480 60hz with tvout+interlacing

>>8058590
>its a 10 year old dslr
not sure then, try using something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnpi0Gbj26E

>>8057231
Bruh, I paid $40 for a PVM-20L5.
No CRT is worth that much. They're huge, take tons of space, and are pretty shit for everything outside of a hyper specific niche.
>>8057352
ps2 component is dimmer than ps1 rgb. But it's close enough.

>>8056108
i don't take changes with HV electronics that aren't made anymore. sorry for offending you with my caution.

>>8054602
>couple weeks
You are retarded.

>>8058614
he gave no information on his climate. do you want me to tell him to turn it on and then laugh at him for it fucking up some ICs?

>>8058621
Unless he lives behind a waterfall or in a lake, even one week is more than enough to be dry enough to turn on, even in a rainforest. Three days should be fine anywhere short of the Amazon rainforest.
And he'd not fuck up IC's if there was still water; he'd fuck up transformer coils AND IC's.
Still retarded.

>>8058714
i spilled water on my keyboard once, and it took a week and a half for it to stop spazzing out. this was in the dead of winter, so evaporation was slow as fuck, and i disassembled it to speed the process up. that's what im basing that on. if low voltage shit is that sensitive, im not taking chances on something high voltage not produced anymore.
>And he'd not fuck up IC's if there was still water; he'd fuck up transformer coils AND IC's.
depending on where the moisture is, sure.

>>8058602
I do a lot of my shots on a Nikon D40; old DSLR's are great. You just have to be not stupid and understand photographic principles.

>>8058727
Congrats on being dumb enough to spill on a keyboard. Also, keyboards aren't the same as CRT's. Especially membrane ones.

>>8058745
>Congrats on being dumb enough to spill on a keyboard
once in 20+ years isn't bad
>Also, keyboards aren't the same as CRT's. Especially membrane ones.
no shit; fwiw, it was mechanical

>>8058754
buckling springs are considered mechanical and the model M's also have a membrane. that means nothing.

>>8058756
it wasn't buckling spring; it was cherry MX. i still have the keyboard.

>>8058743
Gayme?

>>8058782
looks like it's custom robo

>>8058745
God damn I miss those HK speakers. I picked up two or three sets of them after after scrapping a bunch of equipment at a work site

>>8058891
why would you miss computer speakers?

>>8058959
Because they were free and decent 2.1s. Listened to a lot of comfy shoutcast shit at work on them

>>8058963
alright, but I mean there are plenty of speakers out there that do the same thing

>>8058782
>>8058809
カストムローボ
(custom robo)
>>8058963
Yeah mine were $1; probably the best dollar I ever spent.
>>8058972
Yeah but free and packaged with a bunch of mid-2000's dells so pretty common.
They are good and something I'd miss if I got rid of them. They don't have to be unique to be missed.

>>8059075
カストムロボ*

Had to replace the volume knob on mine a year or two ago; they're still great though and not hard to fix inside if anything breaks.

>>8058727
That's because the switches are waterlogged; not any IC's.

>>8059093
i mean, keys would act as completely random keys at times and the LED caps/num/scroll lock indicators were strobing like mad. i figured it was the controller fucking up.

locally. I'm not shipping something from Ebay.

>>8059141
Yes, that's because the keys are all on a shared matrix.

Might also be bridged keys, but if the keyboard was detected as a keyboard by your computer (if USB) then the controller itself was working fine.

>>8057131
Lol I got the same tv a year ago for $20 and I live in a rural area. Do these retards never try and do a little digging for good deals?

>>8051439
Put it in rice

Eurofag here, i ordered some VGA-minijack to SCART converter, will it work out of the box?
Also, what kind of TV brands are recommended for retro gayming, that are reasonably priced that is

>>8053835
>Power delivery can also be bad.

when a TV has image distortion because of that, is bad power delivery something that can be fixable or is it just shit outta luck? Like what power delivery parts are actually bad?

>>8050180
simplest:

sd crt + raspberry pi + ps2

hardmode:
mister or pc that can output 240p and emulate the classics that way via rgb or ypbpr with a transcoder

shit gets messy m8

>>8051049
do you need a scart plug for the crt or what? they make vga to scart adapters, retrorgb plugs his all the time

>>8061635
I did mod a scart plug, it's a 480i TV though. Don't really wanna mess with a pc and emu driver when something like a pie will do every thing I want as long as I can get it to output 480i

>>8061316
probably will depend on your gpu and require you to set a custom resolution. I'd need to see the adapter though.

My only computer with a radeon that can do it is a powerbook G4 unfortunately.

>>8061680
i think this is the one i ordered
http://retrocables.es/tienda/index.php?id_product=55&controller=product&id_lang=4
my main PC GPU is a GTX 970 so it has analog output. I also have a few older computers and a laptop in case that doesnt work

How much does the average 13" CRT weigh? I'm moving into an apartment for college and I have a dresser with a weight limit of 40 lbs I want to put it on. The manual for my TV doesn't list the weight for a 13" model, so just for clearance I first looked up the manual for a 13" WEGA model and it was 26 lbs (since WEGAs are heavier than most CRTs on average). I looked up a 13" Sylvania manual soon after and that was about 23 lbs. Holding my CRT, it being in the mid-20's pound range at most sounds about right.

Even then, should I tempt putting one on said dresser then if 40 lbs is the weight limit? Especially since I plan to have it far off to one side (but not hanging off) with a console on the other?

>>8061721
in my experience with computers for a 18" monitor it can be either 20kg for shadowmask or nearly 40kg for aperture grille, so i assume 13" is around 15 kg unless you got a trinitron

>>8061721
About 15-20 lbs. Your dresser is going to be fine bro.

>>8061721
My consumer panasonic weighs practically nothing but my pvm weighs like 30+ lbs.

>>8058891
I love those harmon kardon speakers too. Mine came with my old P4 dimension 2350. Ran XP with only 128 mb of ram.
The speakers are now for video games.

>>8057047
game?

where the FUCK do i find a pvm in the tristate area

>>8061482
Try plugging directly into the wall, try plugging into a circuit without many other appliances. Beyond that nothing you can do except get a voltage regulator, but for this purpose I think that's unrealistic

>>8058745
wyatt?

Anyone know why a Viewsonic would randomly flicker/degauss itself every 10 minutes or so? I feel like it might be caused by the DisplayPort to VGA adapter I’m using, but I have no other ways to hook it up to my pc. Would bad capacitors cause this?

>>8062125
Which Tri-State area? Because there are a bunch of boomers in my area who just gave me their old ones when I asked.

>>8062298
pa-nj-ny. Unfortunately too populated, too competitive

>>8062315
lmao just realized the term tristate area refers to nj-ny-ct. been here my whole life, always thought it was pa go figure.

>>8062315
>>8062316
I was thinking TX-NM-MEX lol

>>8062278
is it degaussing or changing resolution? constant degaussing would be bad circuitry somewhere in the monitor, with a simple fix of disabling the degaussing and doing it manually instead.
if it's sensing a change in resolution then it's your adapter

>>8062319
>not illinois iowa missouri

>>8062278
Stuck relay.
Stuck degauss button.
Probably the button.
>>8062195
Glad someone remembered. Who is this?
>>8061965
Phantasy Star IV; probably my favorite 16 bit RPG. Highly recommended.
>>8061692
Nvidia cards aren't gonna get you 240p under any circumstances unfortunately.

>>8062319
yeah the market looks alright over there from what I've noticed in listings. enjoy your tubes.

>>8062324
try the first Phantasy Star game, too; it's probably my favorite 8-bit RPG.

>>8062334
Take or leave the second and third; second has a fantastic story idea but flawed execution; three's similar but much more flawed. II at least has good music and great character designs.

III has a couple great ideas, one or two good songs, and a lot of meh.

Major spoiler image for PS II, and with that i'm done for now

>>8051401
My god anon..how is it w modern games?

>>8062395
My guess? pretty much like any crt or lcd for those games

You aren't going to get 70-120hz at particularly high resolutions on that.

>>8051401
>The only options you can adjust are contrast, brightness, and image orientation
do what this guy said >>8054586, if that's not enough then go to your gpu control panel and adjust the colors there too
>Might just faze out my rather new LCD monitor entirely.
don't waste the lifespan of your crt by using it as your main display like a dumbass, leave it as a side thing that you only use when necessary

>>8050180
Picrel is neat with its RGBHV

>>8058610
>PVM-20L5
is that it?
your pic i mean

>>8062324
>Nvidia cards aren't gonna get you 240p under any circumstances unfortunately.
how come? what about older nvidia cards? do i have to buy some ATI/AMD ?
what about intel integrated graphics from my laptop?

>>8062524
he's just spouting a meme, it's entirely possible

>>8057325
>>8057352
RGB and Component are not identical. They’re different signals that achieve a similar result. The color space tends to be different. My Ps2 on Component looks ever so slightly darker than my Ps1 on RGB, but they look equally as sharp. I tested this using OEM component cables and the HD Retrovision ones. I’d say it’s close enough that whichever you like more is more of a preference. That being said Ps2 can’t play DVDs over RGB at least here in the US so it’s much easier for me to just leave it on component despite me liking the RGB color space a little bit more. It just doesn’t bother me enough to care.

>>8050102
How can I check if a CRT is true 480 or 480i?
Do 480i CRT have any advantages over 480p? I heard that the former is better for PS2 games.

>>8062625
Consumer CRT's are 480i
only VGA's and EDTV/HDTV's do 480p if that's what you mean

>>8062625
Best way is to look up the model # on google and read the manual. But like honestly you don’t really need to.

99% of consumer CRT TVs are 15khz or SD CRT they can handle 240p/480i. There are HD CRT, but they’re generally frowned upon because while they can accept a multitude of signals they upscale them to 1080i which will add lag and generally look worse than 240p/480i on a SD CRT.

If you want the best of both worlds you need a Multiformat monitor, they can accept 240p, 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i all without upscaling. Very few displays meet this criteria and always fetch a hefty premium, such as the PVM-L5 series, BVM-A/D series, and NEC XM/XP series. If you’re interested in any of these be prepared to spend at least $1500 if not more on a tiny 14L5, 20L5 have been selling for about $2500.

If it’s a 4:3 consumer set 99% of the time it’s an SD set, if it’s a consumer widescreen CRT or has HDMI 99% of the time it’s an HD set.

As far as 480i/480p on Ps2, 480p will always look better, always. The reason people say don’t bother looking for a native 480p display for one is because they’re usually pretty expensive and a majority of Ps2 games only support up to 480i so you’re paying a lot for a feature you won’t be able to use in a vast majority of games.

>>8050102

Is there any way to play RGB and Composite consoles on a good quality monitor? My CRT is dying and I want something with decent quality that doesn’t take as much space, mine is 24 inches and it’s a little bit too big for my setup

>>8062857
upscalers

>>8062647
>>8062635
Thanks, guys. My grandma wants to get rid of her TV. It's a really large and heavy 4:3 JVC, so I thought maybe I should keep it instead of hauling it off to the shed if it's any good. It's a consumer tv, so it's probably 480i, huh. I don't know the model yet, unfortunately.
Should I even bother? I want to play some PS1, PS2, GC, Wii games. It's probably good enough, maybe there's no reason to get too autistic. It has a HUGE fucking screen. Looks like it weighs 70-100 kilos. It's EU, so it probably has scart or something.
Or maybe I should look for a PVM.

>>8062869
if it's flat it most likely is a HDTV and therefore pretty crap
Also 480i looks fantastic on a CRT, don't listen to people that say it doesn't

>>8062872
>flat
You mean the screen? It is flat, yeah.

>>8062324
used to chat with you on nesdevs on irc, do you go on there still? I have a project I would like to get some help with, I can pay you or someone to help me flesh it out

>>8062872
How do you know if a CRT is HDTV or not? Are the "good" ones capped at 480p?

>>8062881
the good ones are capped at 480i
good 480p is screens are usually only specialty professional monitors, otherwise there is VGA monitors which are also good
HDTV's tend to be full of Lag
Flat screens are more likely to be HDTV but there are definitely a few that are not though
If you are looking for 480p only, it might be a better Idea finding a VGA monitor

>>8062896
Thanks, anon.
>VGA
You mean PC monitors? I have a couple, great for retro FPS. Guess I can't use them with my consoles without adapters and stuff.

>>8062908
well the thing is most consoles are 240p which is a trick of 480i, and 6th gen does look great at 480i despite what a lot of people say, although there are some games that suffer from flicker

>>8062836
What game?

>>8062915
480i looks great on SD CRTs, at least to me. It's when you try and display that on a flat screen that you have problems.

I'd rather a 480i game on a SD crt then it at 480p on a flat screen, even with a proper scaler like the retrotink

>>8062964
Looks like Grandia on PS1
>>8062975
As do I, however there are games with odd internal resolutions or frame rates that can make it look like ass

>>8062619
Cant notice unless it's side by side, so whatever.

>>8062872
That's not true at all, there is very little chance it's hd, especially being in euroland

>>8062407
you can keep your fancy ales
you can drink them by the flagon
but the only brew for the brave and truuuue
is found at the gr. dragn

>>8062352
>flawed
I'm sorry it was too hard for you. The game literally came with a guide with maps of every level for you filtered homos.

>>8056698
it looks terrible

>>8056690
yeah its actually posted in this thread, faggot

>>8063421
What are you talking about?
A lot of flat screened CRT’s are 100hz, it’s just something you have to be wary of when looking for one

Hello guys, if I want to try CRT for a more realistic experience, should I still try if I have bad eyesight? I'd love the experience but I don't want to fry my eyes

>>8062964
Yup grandia, just started, never played it before. So far very very soulful and fun.

>>8056715
Any good rgb to s-video transcoder works for this purpose. I use an open source design from Mike Chi that requires some tinkering, fun nonetheless.

https://github.com/jnftech/vga2ntsc-kicad

>>8063497
I beat the game and didn't use a guide. I still love it. Even bought a japanese copy for the cool box art.
The difficulty wasn't the issue; the overall lack of dialogue and interactions was. The game needed fleshed out more and I can tell they ran out of time.
>>8062571
>he's just spouting a meme, it's entirely possible
My nvidia experience under linux says otherwise; how did you get it to work?
I can follow your steps, don't worry about dumbing it down.
>>8062523
>is that (the 20L5 pic)?
No. This is (was adjusting convergence on it when I took this pic)
>>8062524
I have never had any luck doing so. Maybe nouveau drivers would work, but I doubt it. Whenever I set a 240p mode with proprietary nvidia ones in xrandr I'd get scaled it scaled and presented in 31khz 480p instead.
Radeon cards certainly make it easier.

>>8063580
100hz isn't hd its just digital processing and still 576i/480i, 100hz was usually reserved for 16:9 models most of the time due to that becoming the dominant aspect ratio around 1999 for higher end sets, which would have 100hz to help with the 50hz flicker when watching tv, yes its shit for gaming but that's besides the point. Stop conflating yank centric television rules with European ones especially when he says he's in Europe, we got like 2 fucking hdcrt models very late into the lifespan of crt's, since people didn't want to buy another crt over waiting for a plasma or some shit in 2006/7 when they just bought a nice widescreen SD set a few years prior.

>>8062857
You might be able to fix your crt.

>>8063686
>I have never had any luck doing so. Maybe nouveau drivers would work, but I doubt it. Whenever I set a 240p mode with proprietary nvidia ones in xrandr I'd get scaled it scaled and presented in 31khz 480p instead.
>Radeon cards certainly make it easier.

I thought CRU worked to force 240 on nvidia cards? Maybe they have to be quadros? also, see:

>>8062876

>>8062869
4:3 JVC chances are it's excellent, possibly top-tier. Personally I'd rather that than any PVM.

>>8056039
>>8056039
Plz reply. I can't access the service menu for this cunt. I try do the display, 5, vol up sequence but I habe 2 problems: 5 turns it on again and the power button doesn't take it out of standby (does put it into it though).

>>8064115
did you find a manual m8?

>>8063714
Googled CRU, nothing. You will have to link.
>>8063714
Eh, I occasionally idle there. Usually not actually paying attention. PM me if you want but I'm probably not interested in a hardware project.

Finally got the 20L5 back together - it was having purity issues after I re-seated the yoke (was forced to; convergence strip was stuck in it).
>>8063737
>4:3 JVC chances are it's excellent, possibly top-tier. Personally I'd rather that than any PVM.
Yeah, those old JVC's were Matsushita/Panasonic-made; I prefer my Panasonic/JVC RGB monitors to my PVM for everything but 480p.
>>8063719
>filename
Wow, some of you guys never left. It's been six years.

CRU is here:
https://www.displayninja.com/how-to-change-freesync-range-using-cru/

https://github.com/radamar/Custom-Resolution-Utility-ToastyX
>>8064354
>I'm probably not interested in a hardware project.

Why bro?!

>>8064354
>>>8063714
>Googled CRU, nothing. You will have to link.
>>>8063714
>Eh, I occasionally idle there. Usually not actually paying attention. PM me if you want but I'm probably not interested in a hardware project.
>
>Finally got the 20L5 back together - it was having purity issues after I re-seated the yoke (was forced to; convergence strip was stuck in it).
>>>8063737
>>4:3 JVC chances are it's excellent, possibly top-tier. Personally I'd rather that than any PVM.
>Yeah, those old JVC's were Matsushita/Panasonic-made; I prefer my Panasonic/JVC RGB monitors to my PVM for everything but 480p.
>>>8063719
>>filename
>Wow, some of you guys never left. It's been six years.

Take 3 at posting this thing
>>8064369
because I have a job :\
Depends on the project of course but I don't have a ton of time anymore.

>>8064393
oh damn man, maybe you can hook me up with someone in the chat who can help at least, how is the job? I'll pm you later today or tomorrow on irc, freenode right?

>>8064404
freenode is dead and gone, libera or efnet.

>>8064442
On 19 May 2021, Freenode underwent what some staff described as a "hostile takeover"[4] and at least 14 volunteer staff members resigned.[5] Following the events, various organisations using Freenode – including Wikimedia, Free Software Foundation Europe, Ubuntu, CentOS, FreeBSD, Gentoo Linux and Arch Linux – moved their channels to Libera Chat, a network created by former Freenode staff.[6][7][8] Others like Haiku or Alpine Linux moved to the Open and Free Technology Community (OFTC).[9][10]. As of 16th August 2021, over a thousand other projects have since left Freenode.[11]

shit so #nesdevs on efnet is where to find you?

think it's fixable? I have half a mind to try for fun

>>8064453
vertical collapse can be fixed, watch randy froms vids on youtube

>>8064453
hey wait I think I recognize that dresser in the basement, I think this guy has posted here before...

>>8064453
Yeah it's potentially worth it. Vertical or horizontal collapse is a relatively trivial issue usually. Vertical's better than horizontal because there's no HOT to worry about (horizontal output transistor).
I had a PVM-1944Q from the same year; it was a good set. This one looks to do 480p as well though.
>>8064464
Or idk just read the damn service manual, you don't have to watch videos for everything

>>8064480
p.s.
if no service manual is available, tracing from the sync input on the back is a viable alternative option

>>8064482
Service manual is included in the sale

I’ve had a crt monitor I’ve been using since 2001 and recently whenever I turn it on it has these really faint horizontal lines going across the top 1/4th portion of the display. It’s not the stabilizer rods. They seem to fade away completely after about 10 minutes when the monitor fully warms up. Does anyone know what would be causing this, and is it anything to worry about?

>>8064480
>This one looks to do 480p as well though.
My Mitsubishi is a multiformat monitor from the same era, and it's pretty finicky when it comes to 480p from consoles. Haven't tested it extensively, but it underscans the Dreamcast's VGA output, and does the same in addition to some weird artifacts with the PS2's RGB. Handles hi-res VGA from a PC extremely well though. No idea if the GVM monitors are any different.

>8064354
unsurprisingly you returned for clout.

>>8064494
how does it take the rgb from a ps2 that syncs on green or luma or whatever the fuck

>>8061482
Could have a problem with the flyback transformer.

>>8064542
thats for horizontal output m8

Just finished up my third RGB mod in a week, really wish I could take better pictures of it.

>>8064493
Old capacitors.

>>8064485
I would definitely do it, then.
That should be a fantastic screen. 75% of a 20L5 (just missing 720p mode), and might even have digital RGB as well as analogue for EGA computers.
My 1944Q looked great; I bet it used a similar tube to the one in the GVM.
>>8064493
Can you take a picture of them?
It's likely something where putting new caps in will help, since you say that after it warms up it's fine. But I'd need to see a picture.
>>8064494
My 480p commodore monitor from that era works fine. IDK. YMMV.
If it underscans there should be adjustments, either inside or outside, for it.
>8064509
>unsurprisingly you returned for clout.
That's a usage of the word clout I don't see very often, so maybe i'm misinterpreting.
>>8064519
My guess is you could make it work (even if it doesn't sync on green normally) by running the component signal through a distribution amplifier (or removing the termination and daisy chaining, if the monitor has provisions for that) and running the green signal to both the video input and the external sync connection.
>>8064556
Horizontal output is what is distorted on his display. See >>8053795
>>8064905
That pic looks good. Nice job. What set did you do it on?

>>8064942
>>8064485
btw, if it supports digital EGA RGB I'd actually consider it superior to the L5's for retro purposes, because I pretty much never use 720p for anything at all but it'd be cool for retro stuff to be able to use it for EGA.

>>8055106
Nice breedable body of yours

>>8064942
>My guess is you could make it work (even if it doesn't sync on green normally) by running the component signal through a distribution amplifier (or removing the termination and daisy chaining, if the monitor has provisions for that) and running the green signal to both the video input and the external sync connection.

i would just get a sync stripper or sync combiner or whatever they usually use to make it into normal RGBs then run it through a vga converter

>>8064942
It's a KV-32S40, looks real real good in person. I'm hoarding every curved, late model Sony I can find. I love how they look and they are very easy to RGB mod. For the Sony AA2D Chassis TVs, from start to finish it's under 3 hours to RGB mod it.

>>8064992
something like this:

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-av-accessories/PlayStation-2-3-RGB-SCART-CABLES/sony-playstation-2-ps2-rgb-scart-cable-composite-sync-CSYNC

PLUS:

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm/male-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-converter-cable?tracking=5543fb4c077bb

this is assuming the monitor can handle BNC cables, if not just go y pb pr out of the ps2 and run that through a transcoder with hd15 output into the monitor!

>>8064956
not to mention the GVM looks more handsome than an industrial block of sheet metal does.
>>8064992
Depends on if it uses csync or separate sync signals natively.
>>8065009
Despite not really being a sony fanboy (they're really good, just overvalued), I probably would too. Plenty of nice tubes out there if you have space. And yeah, once you've done a few of a similar model it gets easier and faster each time.
>>8065017
Ugh, those cable prices.

>>8065062
genesis or master system?

can I have a scientist man explain to me why there's a 240p test suite for fucking gameboy but not one for PS2

>>8065082
ps2 generally runs at 480i m8

>>8065069
This game's on a mega drive/genesis.
I have both consoles though.
>>8065082
probably because no one wrote one and it has 32MB RAM and is cancer to develop for

>>8065090
>>8065082
is there a reason the ps1 version wont run on it?

https://github.com/filipalac/240pTestSuite-PS1

>>8065101
Ah, that'd work, too.
That explains it.

Though you need a modchipped PS2 to boot burned PS1 discs, I think. Maybe they've worked around that; I basically don't care about the PS2 at all.

Additionally, i'd just make a DVD of test patterns and play that back on the PS2.

>>8065116
if the ps2 can play VCDs might be a good idea to encode some images in mpeg1 format and burn to a cd r too, so it will be true 240p!

>>8064956
check it out:

>>8065138
There are PS2 games that play in 240p, it also plays PS1 games in 240p so I don’t see why that would be an issue

>>8065138
You don't need or want 240p for cross hatches if you can get it to do 480p instead, but if you can get 240p that'd be fine as well.

>>8065143
Excellent. If I knew where it was and he's not asking too much I'd definitely nab that. Even supports both HV sync and csync. Super convenient.

>>8065143
and yeah that supports both CGA and EGA (see the color select switch).

>>8063584
Any advice?

>>8065320
The CRT isn't going to make things worse.

It really depends exactly how bad we're talking, but I like that it puts things in the correct aspect ratio and is the technology I used growing up to play my games.

>>8063687
I literally said EDTV/HDTV

>>8065320
just keep the brightness reasonably low, don't let the room get too dim, and maybe get a screen on the larger size so you're not squinting to read small text. This won't hurt your eyes any worse than a bright lcd

>>8065320
Do you or do you not wear glasses? The worse a CRT could do is give you eyestrain because the clarity isn't exactly the best. If you're worried about radiation, you'd actually get more radiation from eating a banana than using a CRT for hours on end.

>>8050940
>>8050940
>>8050940
I REMEMBER THESE. They were useless werent they.

I forgot what effect they had on the screen didnt they just make things dark and difficult to do?

>>8065887
they were either for glare or privacy i cant remember

>>8065103
You don't actually, i play ps1 backups on my slim with the disc swap method.

>>8050102
Why is 800x600 (85 Hz here) so soulful? Every other [higher] resolution looks the same as an LCD to me.

>>8066393
You can softmod it so you don’t need to disc swap

>>8066874
You cant play PS1 backups on a softmodded PS2 without disc swapping.

>>8066928
yes you can, he's talking about the slim

>>8066528
I don't know. Last time I used 800x600 was 1998. From then on it was either 1280x1024 or 1200x1600. It was just so much nicer to work on a high quality CRT with flat Trinitron tube at those resolutions.

>>8067308
streets of rage?

>>8066528
Because it's a low enough resolution to have visible scanlines on most late-model CRTs but also be sort of usable as a desktop.

>>8066049
Privacy. You still need them in for HIPAA compliance in most places

>>8057203
Thanks for proving that there's never been a "20 years to retro" rule, homo.

>>8057047
If the XBOX is an x86 PC, why is it so hard to emulate? This doesn't make sense.

>>8065143
https://archive.org/details/gvm-2020-6399/mode/2up

It's basically the same monitor and contains the service manual.

>>8057071
game?

scored a Sony PVM-14M2E for 200€ on ebay the other day. was that a good deal?
im definitely not just trying to brag

>>8068593
>200€
over paid

>>8068640
dang

>>8068593
not bad, maybe the 14m4e would be worth that for the 800tvl but the 600tvl m2e is not that special, especially with the small screen.

>>8068658
the guy has a 20M4E and a 20M2E as well but for 600€ each.

If you're replacing the caps on a TV, is it only the electrolytic capacitors that need to be replaced or do you need to replace all other types of capacitors as well?

I'm going to try recapping my TV, it's only a consummer set and I already kind of know what it looks like inside, so it shouldn't be too hard. I haven't been able to find the service manual (at least not for free) so I still need to check what parts I'll need beforehand.

emulation on CRT vs real hardware on CRT?

>>8068691
real hardware with flash carts is a lot less hassle and all of the SOUL, but having so many consoles can be hard for space/money.

>>8068702
yeah, i was looking into ps1 games but they can get ridiculously expensive and the best you can do is mod the console which is another challenge in itself.

>>8068707
I'm actually working on ps1 gaming myself, I've just installed the ps1 emulator onto my softmodded ps2; booting both ps1/ps2 games from the internal 1tb hdd is really nice, but not 100% compatible with all the games

>>8068691
why not both?

>>8068716
i was just thinking, the ps2 is backwards compatible. but it seems that a bunch of games arent compatible and later ps2 models arent backwards compatible at all. which raises the question, how true to the original would a ps1 game played on a ps2 even be?

>>8068730
well, ps1 games played from the hard drive have to be emulated, but I believe ps2's have the architecture to play ps1 discs natively, similar to the gamecube/wii scenario. I might be wrong but I think that's how it is. ps1 discs are essentially 1 to 1 on the ps2, but off the hard drive it is through what is called POPS which was a sony proprietary ps1 emulator developed for the ps2. It is a very good emulator, and includes the faster loading benefits of booting from a hard drive

>>8068730
>>8068745
Fat PS2's and I think early slims have PS1 hardware inside them so a PS1 disc in a PS2 is basically 1:1 (you lose the kickass PS1 boot screen though which isn't worth it). Later slims dropped the PS1 chips to slim the console and thus use emulation to play PS1 games.

Playing PS1 games off the HDD uses emulation no matter what model of PS2 you have though, the reason for this is that apparently the PS2 actually uses the PS1 chips to handle storage devices (usb, hdd, etc), so there's just no way to load PS1 games off the HDD and play them with the PS1 hardware backwards compatibility.

>>8062896
New OSes aren’t gonna let you go lower than 800x600. 480p dead.

>>8068809
I’m sure there’s a way

whats the best way to get hdmi to component? surely those cheap converters off amazon cant be the best option

>>8068858
>hdmi to component
Isn’t this only possible with a downscaler?
Maybe check out the new retrotink

>>8068876
isnt retrotink an upscaler like ossc? i wanted to just hook my pc to my crt to play vidya via emulation and watch old anime

>>8068896
do you have a ps3, xbox 360 or wii. if so it would be easiest to plug those in and stream the anime to them

>>8068896
I think connecting PC to a non VGA CRT is a bit more involved than just plug n play

>>8068915
im reading that there are old gpus that could do the trick

>>8068954
how do people set up emulation for crts then? dedicated devices?

>>8068956
I would be very wary of any old gpu that supposedly outputs component, I've never heard of anyone doing this successfully (could be possible though). Going from your pc the easiest way would be to get an rgb to component transcoder and sending it a 480i signal. Tricky part is getting the computer to put out 480i. Doing this over hdmi could be even harder still, as going straight from hdmi to component while outputting 480i is probably impossible

>>8068974
with that said, you could use one of the hdmi to vga converters that is confirmed to work with 480i, and then transcode that vga into component, but that's 2 converters to get

>>8068982
this is all easier if you settle for composite. You could get a downscaler or raspberry pi to output composite. Some other things to look into are old dvd players that can connect to a local media server, or try and find an old roku model which can output component and stream to that

I've got a Panasonic PV-DM2093, I can't find any service manuals for it to see if I can do a s video mod, I don't want to go full rgb autism because I don't want to mod my consoles to do rgb.
Does anyone have any information that might be useful or where I should look?

>>8068702
>real hardware
>less hassle
Seriously, anon? You’re a retarded faggot.

>>8068730
Every PS2 can play PS1 games, you fucking retard.

>>8069356
show me your setup emulating to a crt then. It is way more work, even setting up a pi with composite is more work than a console, and it's an objectively worse experience

>>8068969
A pc crt monitor

>>8068969
https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295

https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1016#p1016

https://www.aussiearcade.com/forum/arcade/m-a-m-e-emulation-projects-and-discussion/89704-a-guide-to-connecting-your-windows-pc-to-an-sd-crt-tv-pvm-or-arcade-monitor

its very much a pain in the ass, grab a raspi 4 and load lakka on it and be done with it

>>8068896
retrotink can downscale, so can the gbs 8200

>>8069486
you can save yourself like 85% of the pain in the ass by using a crt pc monitor, a single superwide resolution, and tvout+interlacing
the slightly dimmer picture might be a turnoff for some people but if your tube doesn't have hyperfucked brightness then its not that big of a deal

What are some decently large crt monitors? Stuff like the xm29 is what I'm looking for

>>8069635
doesnt look right and its a waste of a pc monitor that will be around 21 inches max wheres you can find 36 inch consumer crt tvs easy peasy

>>8069641
pvm 4300

am 4201r

>>8069669
>doesnt look right
works on my machine
>waste of a pc monitor
how is it a waste? you can still use it for whatever else you want
>21 inches max
not a huge problem for most people unless you want to sit 10 feet away from the screen

>>8069641
This thing that I forget the name of

This is my first one, but the menu button doesnt work

I'm looking into RGB modding a N64, and there's something I don't understand. People RGB mod their N64, and then hook it up to a CRT with special overpriced component cables. But wait, can component cables carry a RGB signal? Are these component cables converting the signal to ypbpr along the way?

>>8069952
are you confusing Component cables with BNC cables?
the signals aren't exactly compatible without some sort of transcoding along the chain

>>8069957
No I'm talking about these - https://www.hdretrovision.com/snes
(it says SNES in the URL, but it also says it supports N64 with RGB mod)

>>8069969
maybe the RGB mod also carries a YPbPr signal

>>8069969
yeah that cable has a RGB to component converter built in, that's the whole point of it
otherwise buy a RGB cable

>>8068745
>It is a very good emulator
What the fuck are you talking about, popstarter is a piece of shit thats barely compatible with any games.

>>8069995
how bad is the converter for input lag?

>>8070043
https://www.hdretrovision.com/faq/#HD
I'm not going to spoon feed you. You sure you're up to soldering?

>>8070068
>You sure you're up to soldering?
it looks easy enough

>>8070043
I'd assume lag will only be a problem when you're connecting to a digital screen
most of this shit is imperceptible on a CRT

>>8070076
I was talking about added latency because of the RGB->Component signal conversion

>>8070080
Like I said, it should be imperceptible

>>8069730
Gateway Destination monitors only did like 640x480 max, which I guess would be fine given this thread

>>8070294
>TEAC
undeniably based

>>8069363
theres a difference between a console having the actual guts like the old system to play those games and it just emulating them. and if its just emulation then you might as well go with something easier to work with

>>8070294
Pains me to see garbage like that on this equipment

>>8069952
>>8069969
the y pb pr signal is pulled from the rgb, it wont work without an rgb mod first

>>8055106
Can I eat your ass

>>8070417

i was looking for snes component cables for use on my PVM and found the HD Retrovision YPbPr cable that 4chan wont allow me to link
but in the compatibility list only lists the UK PAL model. would other PAL version work as well?

>>8069676
>>8069730
>>8070128
Thanks

https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-753df-crt-monitor-17-series/
Just got this for free, is it any good?

>>8070690
its your typical office monitor. sell it to some retard for a hundo

>>8070472
>PVM
>hardware
F A G G O T

My sony trinitron gets some pretty bad warping when bright areas are next to particularly dark ones. Only seems to happen on the horizontal lines. People have said it's to do with cheap power regulation but I'm surprised if a Trinitron of all things would get the problem. Putting the brightness down doesn't do much to resolve it and the picture seems way too dim below picture being set to 80. This tv spent its life in a guest room never being used I'm surprised at the lack of brightness honestly. Any chance this is all related to bad caps?

>>8070808
>Any chance this is all related to bad caps?
Probably not, but might as well recap the whole thing.

>>8070750
jealous

>>8070294
Seriously sexy

>>8064975
>>8070417
thanks for the feedback, bros !! I'll improve the set up and report back

How do you buy a PVM from a broadcast studio?

>>8071062
know a guy. i doubt you can just walk up to them and ask, you most likely need the right connections

how much would you pay...

Is the image on CRT TVs supposed to quiver up and down, or is mine fucked? It shakes just a little bit, but quite fast.

>>8071084
bout tree fiddy

>>8068954
>>8068858
>>8068876
>>8068896
>>8068954
i looked around a bit more and found out about the Extron VSC 500 but getting your hand on one of those seems a bit tricky because they wont just sell it to anyone. and used units are US only and even then i dont see any complete unit. only the top units

I got my CRT cracked open so I can clean it out and note down all the capacitor values so I can replace them so I can eventually replace them.

The spring+cable strapped around the back of the tube is always connected to ground right? It's a consumer set and I don't see a single other piece of exposed metal on this.

Made it out alive. I hope I didn't wreck the anode cap on this thing because I had to twist it like a mofo to yank it out.

Doesn't look anywhere near as much of a headache as the tvs on the retro tech channel, I watched his two JVC D series videos in particular to get an idea, but I think the neckboard is hardwired to the main board on this which might still be annoying.

>>8071084
none I already have that tv

>>8070294
What is that stand?

>>8071097
problem with the voltage probably, or magnetic interference. Assuming there's no speakers right next to it, either the power you're plugged into is dirty or the power supply is failing

>>8070025
game compatibility is probably close to 95%, and if a game works there are almost never any bugs. It's way better than most emulators

>>8071078
Fuck, I don't know anyone
I'll give it a shot

>>8071108
I have to open mine but holy shit i'm so fucking scared of doing so

>>8071240
yeah it's spooky touching an electrocution hazard for the first time, didn't help that the anode cap was in there so fucking good that I actually had to get a second screwdriver that was thinner to shim the rubber cap up a bit so I could wedge the actual discharge tool I prepared into it. Good thing there isn't a fine for breaking the one hand rule geez, Retrotech guy makes it look so fucking easy. I plan on adjusting the yoke after finishing marking off all the caps too so that's gonna be interesting. At least I'm not home alone doing this so if I shock myself someone can call 911.

One thing I did initially to help cool my nerves was to just open the thing up beforehand just to look inside it. Just every screw off the back case so I could visually inspect it without touching anything , an then just closing it right back up. I just did that so that now that I'm actually going in messing with it I'm not going in completely blind.

>>8071281
I'm used to doing so on other equipments, but crts can be still charged, plus static, scary shit. Good thing you were able to do so and you weren't alone. I live by myself and not only my CRT weights a ton, but if something happens, I'm gone

>>8068809
Dead wrong, buddy. Windows 10 can go as low as 320x240 with Custom Resolution Utility or any other method of creating custom resolutions with respective video driver utilities.
>>8068837

>>8071232
You have no idea what you are talking about, its nowhere near close to that, some of the best games straight up don't even work on it and most games have audio, fmv and texture problems.

Would anyone be able to post detailed closeups of a generic 90's consumer CRT? Preferably not a trinitron, but like a generic samsung or sharp set?

I'm fiddling with CRT shaders and I'd like to get a good idea of what the actual, majority experience would sort of look like. The mask, scanline size, how bright/saturated they are etc. I have PVM now, but as a good I'm pretty sure I had a 30" sharp set running composite everything but I barely recall what it would have looked like

>>8071547

>>8071108
>>8071178
Pretty bogstandard crt. You’re supposed to reach to the two metal bits on the inside of the anode cap to squeeze then together to remove it, pliers may help. Ofc, discharging it before that. A good spot to help discharge it is to clamp it through the screws that hold the actual tube in place.

>>8068679
Only if it’s really old, like mid 80s and before. Otherwise, just the electrolytics need to be replaced

Listed off all the caps, there's like 80 or 90 in there, and I got that TV back together and working and the yoke is better than before but still not perfect. Probably not worth trying to get it perfect anyway, at least not when I'm still planning on opening it again.

I'm hoping fresh caps will be enough to remedy some minor image distortions on this tv but if not it's still pretty much usable the way it is as someone that isn't that picky about image quality.

Annoyingly while trying to get the yoke to move I think I turned the convergence rings slightly. It was maybe a little off at first but it's definitely become noticable at the edges of the screen. I didn't break the glue on the rings so hopefully all 6 rings should have moved together so it should be simple to just turn them all in unison back where they originally were, which I'll probably do later when I recap it. Convergence does NOT seem like a fun thing to tweak.

Vaguely CRT related. But are there any good modern tv to compliment a CRT?

Looking for something of a decent size 30"+ with option for a folding arm/mount.
Ideally I want something with YPbPr, scart, S-Video and HDMI. Even better if it has YPbPr with sync (Megadrive needs sync).

I'm using a PVM mostly, but wanted to get something big for watching movies on, and also occasional 2 player stuff where a bigger screen will be better and image quality not the biggest concern.

Vaguely CRT related. But are there any good modern tv to compliment a CRT?

Looking for something of a decent size 30"+ with option for a folding arm/mount.
Ideally I want something with YPbPr, scart, S-Video and HDMI. Even better if it has YPbPr with sync (Megadrive needs sync).

I'm using a PVM mostly, but wanted to get something big for watching movies on, and also occasional 2 player stuff where a bigger screen will be better and image quality not the biggest concern.

>>8071958
I would recommend OLED but I don’t think they come that small at 4K

>>8071084
$20 max in a thrift store. online is anyone's game though, with component and s-vid in a 14 inch set I could see this appealing to anyone who wants the best visual potential in the tiniest tv size

>>8070472
I can't see why not, if it's compatible with the Gamecube's pinout for PAL Europe then a French or German SNES would output RGB on the same pins right?

>>8071958
Plasmas

>>8071958
An OLED or an LCD TV with one of the latest generation local dimming capabilities.

>>8071996
They do but they are absurdly expensive.

>>8071084
$40 if it comes with the remote.
$30 with the CRT only.

I've owned one of these. Even though they have component the image is not that great. I've seen composite only consumer CRTs that have a better picture.

>>8070690
It's an excellent monitor. You are lucky to get it.
>>8070701
It's better than a typical office monitor. Syncmaster would be used in places where accurate graphics and high resolution were important. I've seen them in dentists offices, print shops, university labs, places like that. They are a step above the typical Dell office monitors.

>>8071084
you would have to pay me $10 to take it away from you

>>8068969
The basic method is

1. Pick a supported GPU
2. Install the corresponding software for that GPU
3. Output RGBHV signal from your GPU
4. Run this directly to your CRT if it supports RGBHV input
5. Otherwise convert your RGBHV signal to RGsB or RGBCS or RGBS and then feed it to your RGB CRT
6. OR convert your RGBHV signal to rf/composite/s-video/component for your CRT television. This may require the use of two converters in sequence, one for sync and one color conversion. Some devices can do it all at once.


Personally, I still have a hunch that Nvidia's Quadro series are slept on for this and I think the combo of a single Quadro and an RGB > S-video/Component adapter should be possible. But you'll need to verify it all before purchase because I have not tested any of this.

>>8071958
the samsung mini led tvs get down to 50", tha QN90A specifically

>>8071084
Free