/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 3.0 >>8038989
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfun

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8025812

VRSKINS 3.9 (delayed)
Submissions closed

=== NEWS ===
[8-20] Quake Speedmap pack 213 is out, themed around low gravity
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62087

[8-20] Killer5 makes some MBF21 maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124007-zzul-bases-four-easy-to-very-hard-mbf21-maps/

[8-19] From Doom With Love (dsda-doom fork) has now gone public.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123998-from-doom-with-love-experimental-dsda-doom-fork/

[8-19] Quake gets a modern port and update!
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1428403921438101515

[8-16] Two new powerslave maps released
https://www.moddb.com/games/powerslave/addons/temple-of-the-fire-and-the-water
https://www.moddb.com/games/powerslave/addons/forgotten-sanctuary

[8-14] Age of Hell Demo released
https://hellforge-studios.itch.io/the-age-of-hell

[8-12] Quake Enhanced Edition TBA
https://xboxera.com/2021/08/12/a-revitalized-edition-of-quake-to-be-announced-at-quakecon-per-the-now-scrubbed-description-of-the-lets-talk-quake-event/

[8-12] DOOM Retro updated to 4.2
https://www.doomretro.com/

[8-11] Anon releases a map, BigDill.wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123839-bigdillwad-a-tricky-tech-base-two-streets-south-of-hell/

[8-10] Crispy Doom updated to 5.10.2
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/

[8-10] Action Doom 2: Urban Brawl Reloaded released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123821-action-doom-2-urban-brawl-reloaded/

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Heh indeed

BEAT THE NIGGUR

HFFM made it here:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123530-arse-summary-of-2021-map-projects-and-a-bit-more/
Someone post screenshots for it there.

lore-wise why can't the Icon of Sin spawn cyberdemons and spiderdemons? are they too powerful for it? or maybe they control it in some way?

>>8050953
can update the mega with the new quake paks?

>>8050969
>[shots here]
So who wants to lend a hand there?

>>8050984
Quake Collection is only $7 on Fanatical right now, has all games including the remaster.

Is the IRC server still active or did you all move to discord?

>>8051025
We just use it for FNF/SNS purposes now.

So at the very beginning of e4m4, there is this light flicker that darkens the entire room.
Once again I wonder if they ever tested this port before release...
This is Kex.

>>8051036
And this is how it looks on any other Quake port.

>>8050953
Damn, last thread was faster than usual

>>8051069
HARD FAST FAGGOT THREADS

Still holding out for a Quake sequel some day.

>>8051042
>>8051036
report it faggot, it will never be fixed if you just complain in a basket weaving forum

>>8051104
>wanting a quake sequel after doom eternal
monkey paw shit, anon

>>8051069
Shills in full force

>>8051069
Combination of Bethesda shills and DW happenings.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120412085156/http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post-hell/59462-ccksucking-jews-killed-infant/
Doomworld that we lost

wonder if Quake 2 will get the same treatment next year

>>8051069
Not really, 22 hours for a thread? We sometimes have way faster than that

Spent some time playing the Quake port, it's decent but not something I'd play over another source port, movement is a somewhat off and it feels generally more inconvenient with the intros and having to connect.
Still glad they did something to dust it off, just wish the new episode was playable on QSS.

>>8051108
I'll take a whole gorilla's arm for it; Eternal was fun.

>>8051129
Machinegames seems to have more of a boner for Quake 1 than the rest.

>>8051129
possible, what we will never have is quake 1 rtx

has somebody found the console command for the mouse pitch not going all the way?

any detailed analysis of the changes introduced to quake with the re-release yet?
I'm interested in the technical aspects so let's put aside the launcher, addon manager and multiplyer features

what I've understood so far:
- slightly different lighting and movement (because of kex)
- greater polycount for the enemies
- full soundtrack finally available for ID1+ROGUE+HIPNOTIC
- no vis/lit enhancements to maps
- the same pak file format

what is unclear (to me at least)
- are the community-made vis/lit files compatible with this relase?
- have the pickups' and weapons' viewmodel/worldmodels been changed?
- do enemies have different/smoother animations?
- is the new episode playable using qss?

>>8051159
Enhanced models have a full bone system now instead of vertex. So it will animate smoother

>>8051163
well I guess that this project
https://www.moddb.com/mods/authentic-models-for-quake
has been rendered obsolete now, correct?
what about these collection of fixes?
https://quakeone.com/forum/quake-mod-releases/finished-works/283201-vanilla-quake-fixes

>>8050953
Finally a version of that cursed gif series I'm ok with, I don't care if it happens to a shambler

>>8051129
I don't think Quake 2 would get something like that due to RTX version being the thing. Same goes for Quake Live in context of Quake 3 Arena.

>>8051143
Most times we spend 2-3 days before having a new thread

>>8051104

>>8051143
>its not the fastest we've ever had, so it can't possibly be faster than usual

>>8051104
So did they even tease an actual new modern Quake game? I thought there were rumors about it. Next E3 maybe with Todd personally hyping it up?

HeXen's epitaph:
Listen Not To Listen Not.
Powerslave/Exhumed's epitaph:
Best In Useless
Duke Nukem 3D's epitaph:
Glimpses Of Nothing.

Nevermind.

>>8050969
done

>>8051108
Doom Eternal's amazing. You're just a retard.

>>8051239
I didn't say anything related to the game quality, you clown squizo, I just don't want circus quake

>>8051202
"You see that Shambler? You can pet it."

>>8051240
other anon here, thought you were talking about DE's bloated mechanics and agreed (even though I do like that game)
but nah, id would be out of their minds if they made Quake look like a fucking satAM cartoon

I don't have a discord, so if someone else wants to report this bug, go ahead:
>start game
>walk through hard difficulty portal
>quick save & quick load
>enter the slipgate
>e1m1 is now set to skill 1 aka normal instead of skill 2 aka hard

>>8051159
The new models are in the MD5 format though, so not backwards compatible with Quakespasm etc. Unless they update QS to specifically support it. Maybe at least QS Spiked will add support.

Heres the guy that did all the subtle updates to levels
https://twitter.com/SyncError/status/1428514491193561093?s=19

Also theres a furry shambler out there somewhere

>>8051302
>Also theres a furry shambler out there somewhere
Shamblers ARE furry, though.

>>8051307
>>8051302
How will Marphy cope

bunch of test maps as well, mostly basic rooms, haven't tried them all but they are under maps/test

load them via console with: map test/mapname

Have they fixed the fish bug? When the fish would count as 2 enemies?

>>8051307
>>8051302
>>8051315
Who cares about shamblers, where are my furry imps at?

Did they change the pitch/yaw values? Mouse movement feels off.

>>8051283

If anything I think they'll realise Quake is the sensible game to apply the more traditional formula of Doom 3/Quake 4 to, then people can have Doom for DUDE INSANELY FAST RIP AND TEAR LOL, wolfenstein for DUDE INSANELY FAST KILLIN NAZIS, and quake for DUDE HEALTH PICKUPS

>>8051036
darkens?
I noticed E1M6 had a fuckup where instead of being initially pitch-black, the snake shaped bridge was fairly well-lit right away

>>8051185
Who could have guessed a thread moved faster when a remaster of Quake came out except anyone with a common sense.

Hey Anons, help me out.

Some Anon posted a pack with a bunch of Unreal Tournament maps in this thread maybe like... I wanna say a week or so ago? I didn't download it but I thought I had saved the link.

Does anyone have 'em or are you out there Anon? I'm off work and wanna play me some UT.

(Also are there still any active UT servers anywhere? Can we maybe get a /vr/ CTF game up sometime?)

Unusual find.

>>8050953
Would this guy >>8050583
please share his palette?

>>8051323
the quake64 pak has some sourcecode for decoding doom64 lumps. does the official d64 port need decompiling, or have people managed that already?

>>8051374
Or just let me map for whatever project you use this for?

Can nuQuake load maps the same way as all the sourceports?

>>8051374
that's dbp37

>>8051374
>>8051382
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9ac2edib8v4e9xb
It's in there, don't feel like mapping right now.

>>8051386
Nah, I've just been using DBP37 to test my custom palette.

>>8051369
https://www.mediafire.com/file/w0ghkbl6v9xmglq/UT99_More_DM_Maps.zip/file
>>8012626

>>8051186
yep. might as well be waiting for hell to freeze over.

>>8051007
yeah, we're not paying for that shit lol

>>8051392

Thanks buddy, you're a real pal.

>>8050980
Icon of sin summons minions and soldiers. Cyberdemons and spiderdemons are leaders.

doomguy is link

doomguy is memory leak

the remaster port is the best way to play arcane dimensions because you cannot save the game

>>8051364
Do you want a medal?

>doom1993 1st tweet: yeaht kill demons
>doom 2 1994 2nd tweet: murder demon
>fine doom 1996 3nd tweet: ye killsd by demons
>doom 64 19o7 4nd tweet: demons is raped by me
>doom3 2002 5th tweet: demons scared me.

>>8051485

>>8051485
you really cant save?

Does the remaster have view bob options?

whoever made that gif; fuck you

I'm making my VR map and its a recreation of a level from another game. At first I was all excited but now I'm wondering if its dumb and I'm debating on just starting a fresh level thats more normal.

>>8051534
what game?

>>8051534
Please tell me you're the Goldeneye Dam guy.

>>8051539
No, different genre, but you got the right developers.
>>8051538
banjo-kazooie

>>8051302
>shambler_fur.png
good, now on to more important things

>>8051497
is this a meme i dont get or some kind of a schizopost

>>8051159
>- is the new episode playable using qss?

Crashes for me

So I've been playing Ancient Aliens.

Holy shit Culture Shock is beautiful

>>8051485
>can't save
you are joking right?

>>8051373
i think the rightmost one is cute

is the new port good? the remaster has peaked my interest in getting into Quake but ive heard issues about the movement as well as minor lighting issues. i can get it for like 1.35 so its not exactly a big plunge (to my knowledge the new episode ain't playable on source ports and with it being so cheap there's not much reason to pirate)

>>8051641
I'm impressed how that guy combines:
>marble palaces
>Egyptian and Mesoamerican motifs
>stone ruins
>clouds
>lasers
>some weird teleportation forks
>a library
>UFOs
>bells
etc. all in the same space and it still looks coherent

How to set custom resolution in the new Quake?

I wanna use 1440x1080 for that sweet native 4:3.

>>8050965

>>8051676
v_width and v_height in the console, restart the game after

>>8051646
>>8051513
game freezes when trying to save with arcane dimensions

>>8051609
>>8051159
>is the new episode playable using qss?
I've found that i can fix (some of?) the crashes just by setting the missing cvar to "1". Compiling quakespasm-spiked with this diff plays through the first level (so far) fine.

>>8051108
>Doom Eternal bad
FUCKING
FILTERED

>>8051718

No dice, doesn't affect anything.

>>8051672
A fucking mess, but works in the context.

>>8051776

>>8051784
>v_width 1440
>v_height 1080
>restart
It should do the job.

>>8051609
>>8051159
> is the new episode playable using qss?

Kind of working for me, minus string localisation lookup missing. Still crashing occasionally but with a few hacky work arounds it's "playable".

>>8051776
Normies leave

>>8051148
>>8051776
>>8051239

they're gonna give ranger a retarded backstory for retards to care about and give him some edgelord sword and add rocket jumping weapon that deals no damage to make it easier for redditors to use and it's going to be you faggots' fault

>>8051820

Oh. Only works in windowed mode, so kinda pointless.

>>8051776
>constant i-frames
>multiple instakill weapons
>endless health and ammo from enemies
It's easier than 2016

>>8051668
Get it in like 3 months when they've patched it

>>8051846
Doom was the biggest normie game around. You're the normie of /vr/

>quake in 2021
>min specs
>winblows 10

>>8051668
Get it now either way. You can always come back after they fix issues, but who knows for how long Quake is going to be available for said 1.35.

>>8051863
(nta) it works in fullscreen, but it's wonky. cvars sometimes work but seem to reset to last successful listed mode, so you need to add 1440x1080 in your graphics driver. then there's no need for cvars in the first place.
works on nvidia/win10, but (lack of) scaling breaks on alt+tab

Don't pay full price for quake.
https://gg.deals/game/quake/

>>8051980
What was that?

>>8051854
Nah your gonna play as Rangers daughter trying to track him down

Yes..
YES

>>8051989
Do console commands disable those yet?

>>8051989
cheats don't disable achievements so you can cheese it that way too

>>8051992
>>8051993
Co-op doesn't either.

>>8051992
>>8051993
I ain't no cheater

>>8051993
>>8051995
Lmfao well alright >>8051996 good job? Save a webm next time!

What's the big deal about this port? Quake has been playable in KEX for a long time.

Tryina play this quake remaster but i get this error: kexPlatformApp::initvideo: Failed to initialize window for vulkan (installed vulkan doesnt implement the VK_KHR_surface extension)

Aiming is a bit fucked in Quake on Xbox One. How well does it work on other platforms?

>>8052003
When did Chasm get a source port?

>>8052012
that aint chasm

>>8052003
out of the box crossplatform multiplayer, base game, expansions, two new episodes and quake 64

>>8052003
>no lightmaps
>playable

>>8051996
>>8052000
>>8051993
>>8051992
Okay now I am a cheater
this is fucked

>>8051957

Thanks anon, I'll give it a try. No big deal otherwise, I was fine with Quakespasm.

Also: Whenever I go back to Quake, it makes me fucking wish Doom had instant weapon switching. Quake combat just feels gratifying as fuck.

any way to disable that awful filter when playing the quake 64 port?

ACHIEVEMENTS ARE NOT RETRO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8052032
>>8049942
>Found the solution
>r_crtmode 0

>>8052034
>https://retroachievements.org/
I don't know how, but there are ways of hooking achievements into emulators these days.

>>8052034
any sourceport developed after 2007 isn't retro change my mind

>>8052039
...such as?

>>8052039
The port is new, but the data is retro baby.

>>8052019

How do I switch renderer?

>>8052050
In KEX? You can't, it's shit.
Play vkQuake.

>>8052053
You can, I've literally seen people debate whether Vulkan or D3D11 is better for performance with the dynamic lighting, I just don't know how.

I'll give them credit for the new enemy models. Every other retexture/model attempt by fans as looked like total ass but these are fairly subtle upgrades that don't break with the look of the game

>>8052035
thank you anon

>>8052050
>>8052053
>>8052056
r_rhirenderfamily
reset
You can use vulkan, d11 or opengl

>>8052050
Add "+r_rhirenderfamily d3d11" to the launch params

>>8052062
>>8052060
Cool, thanks

Decino could be reading this thread RIGHT NOW.

Honestly, if a game supports borderless window you should really consider disabling vertical sync altogether and embrace the extra smoothness a higher framerate affords.

>>8052065
If he is tell em to play rowdy rudy.

>>8052065
He should do the Quake mission packs on Nightmare.

>>8052065
Decino play hard fast friendly maps pls

>>8052081
Physixcat played HFFM with HD.

>>8052085
How well does it go with HD?

>>8052085
All of it?

>>8052065
Decino check out my source port and disable view bob please. If you leave weapon sway on it'll be our little secret.

I beat E1M1 pacifist nightmare first try.

What award do I get?

>>8051863
Does your video card support 1337x240 output?

>>8052094
You're going to get an award when you do that in E1M3

>>8052065

Hey let's all pretend like he isn't here. That'll make him feel weird.

Yeah you know I was totally playing some Doom man. Wasn't even that hard, shit had like linedefs and shit. You know, sourceports in the complevel. Am I right guys?

>>8052029
I did that without cheating. I did save scum a bit though. It’s not so bad if you grab the 200 health pickup And armor from the cave area under the water early on

>>8052115
You pretty much need to. The real killers are the couple of little "hordes" that body block and hitscan you to death.

C38HH-2XTAA-2D45E
ZDKRC-HRKMX-DIHYX
IHR4A-QH9BE-L7JE9
F04RJ-R3A7W-KM0DJ

Steam Quake Keys for anons that don't have it yet

Theyre talking about the new port on the quakecon stream

>>8052124
Thank you kind Anon :3

>>8052124
Thanks friend!

>>8052124
Thanks anon. Very kind of you.

Some retard was actually saying that DW likes us and tolerates us.

>>8051205
You messed up, anon, OP needs 4:3 screens.
>>8050969
Someone should upload 4:3 screens.

>>8052127
What's the Quakecon stream about?

>>8052140
That's just some guy who registered not even a year ago though. Not Demworld.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33T7NPxnEKI
I watch this guy now and then. It's pretty cool that he worked on the Quake re-release.

can i get a quick rundown on the dbp drama? do they just want a cacoward or is there something else?

>>8052104
Swim With the Whales = Easiest map ever.

>>8052124
Thanks fren

>>8052070
? Borderless windowed mode is vsync'd and triple buffered no matter what.

>>8050953
So is there a way to unfuck movement in the new Quake port?

>>8052163
Tearing is removed, but you can still disable v-sync in the options which uncaps the framerate. Try it anon.

>>8052047
Speaking of, I wish the Turok re-releases added some new levels.

>>8051146
-skipmovies command line shortcut

>>8052158
DB releases DBP37, it seems to be quite popular with people, DW moderation team out of nowhere starts throwing baseless accusations towards DB, then prohibits the posting of DBPs on DW because DBP team "infamously" put a link to DB in a WAD made by DB and it unilaterally violated Geneva convention or something. People suspect something fishy is going with Cacowards and DW team is doing damage control in advance.

>>8052121
Use the axe on them, it doesn't count against you for the achievement

>>8050953
Quake or DOOM?

>>8052185
I was under the impression that you couldn't attack at all. That would have made things much easier.

>>8052186
>Quake 1.5 or Brutal Doom?

>>8052194
Arcane dimensions

>>8052194
Are you deaf
Quake or DOOM?

Supporting this is supporting proprietary, non-futureproof software

John Carmack and id Software knew what they were doing when they released the source code for Quake in 1999. They knew what they were doing when they chose to write all of the Quake code in-house rather than relying on proprietary third party libraries to create Quake. John commented on the problems using a paid proprietary sound engine for Doom caused them in the long run and it was one of the reasons why their future engines strove to be a self-reliant as possible thus resulting in some of the most easily portable engines ever created. The new Nightdive version of the game is a disaster and an affront to everything Quake stood for.

The approach would make perfect sense for console releases given they will always be inherently proprietary and closed walled, however there was no reason for the PC release to be like this. One of the things talked about extensively on the release stream was the fact that Quake was so important because of its modability and inevitable open source nature; how does this new project at all reflect either of those things? How does it reflect anything the Quake stood for or what made the game great in the first place? How are problems supposed to be fixed in this new version? Begging Nightdive to consider fixing them? What happens in five, ten, or fiften years from now when it no longer works on more modern hardware and operating systems? You beg?

Nothing about this new release for PC is good. It is an affront to everything that made Quake great and unendingly relevant.

Lol, after testing some mods in KEX Quake my player has become about twice faster than usual. I think this is because of Malice.
Anyway, it was fun zooming through E1M1 for that pacifist achievement. Now to figure out where the settings are stored, so I could revert speed to normal.

>>8052186
I like doom better than quake. Idk quake never really grabbed me like doom or duke 3d. Where I get a little obsessed about it lmao

>>8052198
>Quake Champions or Doom Eternal?

>>8052210
Good.

Does the Quake port still keep the Jesus?

>>8052202
I've been saying the same thing back when everyone was fellating Doom Unity port, and got yelled at.

>>8052213
Are you fucking deaf anon

>>8052202
Best part is how on the KEX Discord they openly admitted they're using original source code for this, which means this is violating GPL.

>>8052186
>vanilla
Quake
>mods
Doom

>>8052221
Post screens.

>>8052223
based

>>8052186
There are few things comfier than firing up The Ultimate Doom on Choc on my old laptop and leisurely strolling through on HMP, keyboard only, of course.

>>8052202

But all the sourceports still exist and the original Quake is still distributed with this (at least on PC) so really I don't see a problem.

The new stuff is going to get ripped out of this eventually.

I doubt computers will still work in 15 years anyway, at least for those of you that haven't built a faraday cage.

Any particular things to avoid when making a icon of sin map?

>>8052240

The Icon of Sin

>>8052140
Tolerates is true. They can't like us because they don't know who we are.
They know some doom community darlings have come from here, or visit here, and can't blanket bomb the insurgents due to that.
Welcome to /vr/ - The Taliban.

As an aside, it's funny to me that they keep saying these people were banned for espousing "far right views". So fucking what? And as far as I can tell they aren't even that far right... What a vague line. No concept of relativism. Jon Stewart is far right to a communist.

>>8052223
GZDoom. Gender choices:
>Object
Based.

>>8052235
>I doubt computers will still work in 15 years anyway, at least for those of you that haven't built a faraday cage.
Expecting a mass coronal ejection, or emp blast via nuke?
Either way, building a bunker isn't a bad idea. Always wanted one.

>>8051846
Most us are normies here, kid. Just old normies.

>>8052245
It's actually a pretty consistent narrative you're all either from reddit or Doomworld. It's a view I've heard espoused more than once. I don't pretend to know either way.

>>8052183
>look, you can have your art posted in our museum, but you can't sign your work -DoomWorld

>>8052202
You say it like this port erased the existence of all other source ports

>>8052235
The problem here is giving money to Bethesda

>>8052194
Man I'm still sad 1.5 got abandoned so the devs could work on Slayers Testament. I can play Doom Eternal whenever I want, I'd much rather have MMod for Quake

>>8052221
>which means this is violating GPL
No they are not, freetard. The rights to the code belong to id/Bethesda/whoever, so they still can use the code under their own proprietary license.

>>8051846
Underage leave

>>8052262
see
>>8052267

>>8051873
2016 is easy as hell the moment you get the ball rolling with upgrades and weapons. Eternal maintains, and increases its challenge once you get all the upgrades.

>>8052273
I'm older than you, I guarantee it.

>>8052289
>2016 is easy as hell the moment you get the ball rolling with upgrades and weapons
This was also me with Eternal. Both games started out decent, then a bit over the halfway point the curve started to fumble. Eternal’s curve is also a lot weirder if you don’t get filtered by the slayer gates on your first playthrough.
>not retro

>>8052007
Buy a GPU with Vulkan support. It isn't 2010 anymore.

>>8052302
Exactly, you idiot. It's not 2010 anymore, you can't buy GPU anymore.

>>8052272
Does that still apply if they published the code as GPL though?

>>8052124
Post more you rich cunt

>>8052140
That's just one guy, not 500 guys. Revae, Batandy and Tarnsman all frequently post here without hate against us. There is also lot of small name mappers from dw (like me) who want to remain anomymous here and don't agree with dw moderating policy or their cool kids club. Judging the whole dw because of few guys is as bad as few guys on dw judging db and /vr/ because of few guys. I've got nothing against neither 3 forums, and i do not consider myself to more dw-fag or /vr/fag. Just both equally. Been on dw since end of 90s and on 4chan since 2005. I also love dbps. Can't we all just be friends like few years ago. :(

>>8052159
Technically it's still quite accessible when compared stuff that Ribbiks made after 2015.

>>8052171
Probably will be patched later. Unity port was also quite fucked at beginning.

>>8052292
The fact alone that you're using "normie" tells me you're not. Well, at least not mentally.

>>8052235

Nukes going off in America, 2023 at the latest. Rest of the world my get some sun related shenanigan's between 2025 - 2030.

Honestly having a craptop and some hdds in a faraday cage will likely be the least of your problems, then playing games with the kind of content boomer shooters feature will likely feel in bad taste, there's gonna be enough things to shoot IRL.

>>8052323
I'm older than you, I guarantee it.

>>8052323
fedorapost

>>8052221
What >>8052272 says is mostly correct, but to be pedantic they arent using "their own license" - they simply hold the copyright and they don't need a license to use it.

>>8052302
Are you suggest anon spends scalper-money just to play a new quake episode?

>>8051843
Following on from this, i played through the few few levels of the new episode in both QSS and the Kex engine, and despite getting massively higher framerate in QSS, it is a shame to lose that dynamic lighting, eg cast from the fan. Still, i'll take solid fps over dips to 20fps in Kex.

>>8052176
Same. Turok level creating is sooooooo time consuming. Kaiser released a level editor for the game. The turok community is very very tiny and spend more time porting weapons to Turok than making new maps. There's a handful of user maps out there. Ranging from "my_first_map.bsp" to pretty good

Try the community map jam over on 'Turok Sanctum'

>>8052324
Take your meds, schitzo.

>>8052349
Let's all just take our horse viagra and play hffm.

>>8052338
Thanks for clarifying, I don't know how legal shit works, I just assumed that if company releases something of their own under GPL that means they'd need to respect it themselves in the future. Interesting to know that isn't the case, makes me all the more curious why companies don't release source codes under GPL then, seeing as it poses no threat to them.

>>8052218
it's text, not spoken lines anon
>>8052194
>metadoom or me-

>>8052324
Nukes going off in America means nukes going off everywhere, and I'm living in a city that is a bombing target (I checked). Good luck fighting with kikes over radioactive cockroaches, while I'll be immortalized as shadow on the wall.

>>8052354
How about we run the party pack for FNF tonight?

>>8052202
When is John Carmack releasing the source code for Rage?

>>8052324
>>8052359
Feels good being a rural Europoor living nowhere near any potential targets :DDDDD

>>8052354
>horse viagra
I refuse to play HFFM until it changed to three hundred bucks.

>>8052338
Is anyone else toying around with the new episode on existing sourceports? Anyone had any luck reversing or decompiling it's progs.dat?

>>8052364
You sure there is no NATO bases anywhere near you?

>>8052363
When somebody will care

>>8051178
What if it was a cute gore-stained innocent loli-Shambler?

>>8052373
Not in a 300 Km radius

>>8052318
Yes. If they used some code from the fan-made source ports, that would be a violation of GPL, but I doubt that's the case.

>>8052386
I see, thanks anon.

>>8052380
Well then
>Good luck fighting with kikes over radioactive cockroaches

>>8052320
>Judging the whole dw because of few guys is as bad as few guys on dw judging db and /vr/ because of few guys
I'm not really involved in any of this unfolding soap, but its obvious as an outsider that this isn't a symmetric relationship. /vr/ is unmoderated from a community perspective (jannies being orthogonal, they arent operating as /doom/ community members) - there isn't an overarching imperative to conform, whereas by your own admission you would likely be shunned by the DW in-group based on the whims of the leadership team there. This is presumably what people mean when they say
>doomworld hates x
>doomworld sucks y
It's possibly to say this *because* of the apparent homogeneity created by censorship and social pressures to conform.

>>8052338
>dips to 20fps in Kex
saw a thread on steam about how setting a cvar to compile shaders fixed the stuttering (i.e. without it the shaders were computed on the fly, PS3-emulator style)
I've yet to try it though

>>8052363
He left before the engine became obsolete to his company. They used to release old source at new engines release.

>>8052319
https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/quake-collection
I'm sure you can spare 7 dollars.

>>8052430
Anon... I got it on QUVU for like 2 bucks.

>>8052437
Huh, must've sold out.
I hope Steam makes a new bundle either way, this was the old one that made you buy everything.

>>8052420
Yeah, and games used to be made in 9 months by 10 guys. Time change. It's literally impossible to make a game in 202X that doesnt use 3rd party shit that isn't some indie game trash.

>>8052174
I promise if you, if you're getting tearing on borderless window, it's not actually borderless window. It's a fundamental fact about how borderless windowed mode fucking works. Microsoft hard baked vsync and triple buffering into it. Look it up. Try any game with borderless mode and run a framerate display

Played through the new sourceport and I like it. Something I noticed though is that the lighting overall seems brighter.

>>8052186
Doom is good and I had some fun but not really my thing like Quake.

>>8052186
Quake is too brown and dark

>>8052437
From the thumb it looks like a mutilated crotch. Is that intended?

>>8052448
>Microsoft hard baked vsync and triple buffering into it. Look it up. Try any game with borderless mode and run a framerate display
Didn't they make some change recently? Something like "view planes". So a window can effectively be treated as the whole monitor.
All I know is that in some cases it breaks gsync, because there you have the option of enabling it for the whole screen or that + windows. And some windowed applications still get it even will that disabled.

>>8052221
There's a KEX discord?

The normies on the steam community praising this trash makes me want to vomit.
Fuck bethesda and their ugly, unnecessary jewry.

>>8052457
Adrian Carmack's entire career in video games was started because of mutilated crotch, so yes.

>>8052460
https://discord.gg/dHdby26

>>8052448
Well whatever black magic is happening, Steam's in-game overlay is displaying a higher framerate, the game feels incredibly smooth, and there is zero tearing.

>>8052465
Same on YT and twitter. The usual circle jerk.

>>8052447
I have no idea what your point is. I'm just saying carmack was the driving force behind releasing source code at id, but he only released it once the engine was obsolete to the company.
Once he was gone it wouldn't be released, and he was gone before idtech5 was obsolete.

>>8052482
I'm waiting for Gman to complain that Quake 1.5 is not working on it or something.

>>8052456
But Quake is green. Everyone knows that.

>>8052468
U wot? You can elaborate or is it another schizo headcanon bullshit thing?

>>8052484
>ShillmanLives
I'm expecting maximum shilling like he did for Fresh Supply. TubeWhores suck every dick for a free game key.

Gotta love these ports and all the normies sucking their dicks as if they ever played the original. All these ports do is make zoomets pretend they've always played these games.

>>8052492
Oh yeah I think I remember that when Fresh Supply came out. He was practically praising it if I recall correctly.

Compared to when it came out I would say that Fresh Supply is a serviceable source port. Certainly not the best nor the worst.

>>8052503
Civvie tore it a new asshole on day 1 and called out Gman in his video.

>>8052186
3rd dimension was a mistake.

>>8052484
I remember his now deleted Unity Doom video where he complained about not being able to play Brutal Doom on the port.

>>8052490

>>8052484
>>8052492
>>8052503
you'd think people would look at modders and source ports devs and ask "gee which part of the fanbase knowing for keeping these games alive is better informed"
at least decino is a better example

>>8052512
I still don't see how that started his career. He just used some of his life experiences in that job, like most creative people did before coddled millenials took over.
Also, why did you white out that paragraph in the middle?

anon on a previous thread asked me to draw a shambler. I copped out of it but figured it'd be a fun challenge to actually give it a shot.

I dont even see classic shambler as furry but i think its a delightful interpretation and i like the ideas you can have with it, so I went with that for the doodle.

>>8052524
Boy you must be fun at parties
>Also, why did you white out that paragraph in the middle?
There is no paragraph in the middle, those are excerpts from two different chapters.

>>8052514
>coddled millenials
>>8052495
>All these ports do is make zoomets pretend they've always played these games.
what's with all the idiotic generation memes ITT

>>8052495
Yeah man more people getting into Quake is..... Bad?

I first played Doom/Quake/Q2/Heretic and Hexen and Half Life in 2018.

>>8052537
I'm glad i got to experience these classics as they released, but i wonder if it's more or less of a thrill, or generally satisfying, to play them all in quick succession, no waiting for the next big thing. Like binging a TV series after it's finished and avoiding cliffhanger bullshit.

>>8052534
To be fair, millennials can (keyword being "can") be total shitmeisters for as much as they go on and on about how they're better than old people literally only because they're young, which old people do as well despite the fact that age/whatever generation you're from literally means fuck all.

>t. self aware millennial that desires not to be a total shitmeister

>>8052512
So the core Ids were the tryhard edgelords, got it.
Reminds me of how Romero smack talked about the Unreal engine during Q1 development. Didn't age well.

>>8052183
what the fuck, i knew dw was retarded, but this is the highest level of retardation ive seen in a long time

Can you add these kind of options to Quakespasm yourself? Do you have to edit the source code or the build from github? Or is it something you can do from config files?

>>8052549
there was a pretty big level of retardation like 21 days ago

Black epitaphs.

Marathon. What For7.
Wrath of Earth. You Are Regenerating.
Zero Tolerance. Every Frame Every Pixel.
Witchaven. ack Ep ta h.
Half-Life. Left-to-right.
Pyl. Triangle-Quad.
System Shock. [Cool[Cool[
System Shock 2. Danger Danger.
Heretic 2. Loweth-Polycount.
Dark Forces. Toy PTSD.
G-String. Awoo.
Blood. Savour Me.
Ion Fury. Almost.3-D.
MadSpace. Letter Called Unexpected.
Serious Sam The First Encounter. Surprise.
Doom64. Slowly Dying.
Vivisector: Beast Inside. Fur And Below.

Nevermind.

>>8052568
>Black epitaphs
"I can't breathe!"

holy shit why is the ui and weapon models so big? and the screen seems zoomed in? how did they fuck this up? cant they at least have an ui scale option

>>8052568

>>8052574
>>8052568
Explain

>>8052492
I never even watched him but every time someone mentions him I think of him comparing HDoom to Columbine shooting

>>8052576
comparison with quakespasm here

>>8052545
>millennials can (keyword being "can") be total shitmeisters
Are you sure your perception hasnt been warped by tabloids and twitter? There are faggots in every age bracket and "social generations" are poor generalizations.
>age/whatever generation you're from literally means fuck all.
I'm not sure from your post whether you are saying generations offer some predictive insight, or not.

>>8052584
The guy is a corporate trend whore, but to his credit he reviewed the Moonman WAD and still ranked it above No Man's Sky.

>>8052576
Because this is how the original played retard

>>8052530
That is accurate to software Quake.
Quakspasm doesn't render the weapons fov correctly by default. No, I don't know why.
r_viewmodel_quake 1

>>8052596
then why have this release if its going to be the same shit then retard?

>>8052605
Mean to reply to this post.
>>8052586

>>8052594
I was disappointed with Moonman mod personally, the shooting feels very satisfying and Ben Garrison being absurdly strong made me laugh. But it doesn't have maps or anything like that, rather boring

>>8052606
To have it on consoles? To add some changes but not every single little thing you nitpick about?

>>8052613
>gameplay mod doesn't have maps

>>8052584
The similar tragedies that neither were properly finished?
>Now That's What I Call Edge, Volume 99

>>8052614
ok so this release is useless to pc then, other source ports offer much better improvements, thank god i did not spend money on it, what a waste of time to produce a garbage version of quake with so little options such as ui scaling

>>8052625
The good ones do.

>>8052541
You do know, that these classic fpses get new fan content every few months? I wish I could just binge it all, but we all have to wait.

Is the remaster version of quake on nightmare like copper? Where your health gets cut down to 50? Or is this a bug.

>>8052645
Intended.

>>8052636
Your argument is invalid, because Brutal Doom has maps and it's not a good mod.

>>8052632
This ports goals are probably accessibility. Ease of install and play. Convenience of having all 5 official episodes ready to go. Local and online cross network play and a new Episode.

I seriously doubt it was ever intended to replace or meet the standards of source ports. Literally exactly the same as Fresh Supply and the recent Unity Dooms.

>>8052656
Good mods have accompanying maps does not mean that every mod with maps is good.

>>8052632
I bought it to play the new expansion and to pwn noobs on multiplayer whenever i want. I got what i wanted.

>>8052657
ah ok its disappointing, but thanks man

does the quake 2 quad damage zip in the OP mega link contain the actual quake 2 pak? they all just look like mods to me
sry im dumb

>>8052613
I considered making something for it, just for a laugh. Some nonsense where the gang tours the world or all three travel to the future to safe Whitopia. After a 2nd thought I quickly forgot about that.

>>8052665
Yes, but Kegan mods are good without accompanying maps and that Wario mod was good even before it got a TC, so there is literally no correlation.

>>8052671
thats cool for you man, but i expected more not less

>>8050953
poor shambler

>>8052679
wait, I think I found it
nvm....

>>8052576
Because it's designed around consoles, also they completely fucked up movement speed/acceleration/physics.

Has anyone played arcane dimensions in nuquake?

>>8052726
Possible, but prepare for low FPS and worse visual experience.

>>8052726
Literally not compatible with mods.

>>8052730
Can you not even load maps?

>>8052736
Nope, different format lol

>>8052582
severe autism

>>8052736
It's not even on idTech engine anymore, remember Unity Doom? This shit is on KEX.

>>8052752
Unity is only used as a wrapper with Doom. Actual Doom engine is still used.

NightFright is releasing a collection of bugfixes to vanilla Quake, including fixing z-fighting on all maps.
https://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62085

>>8052743
Can't you load the new episode in sourceports?
If you can, is it possible to replace the episode pak files with mods instead?

>>8052762
>Can't you load the new episode in sourceports?
The only one that loads it is vkQuake and it keeps spamming an error in the top left because the messages are broken. All the other ports don't work at all, either not loading or loading with crashing and severe issues.

what source ports do you recommend for Q2 and Q3A, /vr/?

>>8052758
Well, actual idTech engine isn't used here, it's purely KEX which explains the issues. This is why NightDive is trash, I don't know why people hire them after the hackjob they did with Blood.
And by the looks of it their PowerSlave will be just as dogshit because it's clearly based off PSX version and there wasn't a single Saturn feature in the trailer other than scarab sprites, plus they also completely fucked up the lighting because it's way too bright compared to both PSX and Saturn and the redrawn map is also fucked up.

>>8052768
Citation needed.

I just put ad in the new quake folder then did "game ad". It loads, at least.

>>8052767
ioquake3 is the ChocolateDoom equivalent for Q3A
Quake3e and Spearmint are GZDoom equivalents but I only ever tried Spearmint out of those two.

For Quake 2, Yamagi is the ChocolateDoom equivalent while vkQuake2 is probably best one for enhancements, just like vkQuake1 is best for Quake 1 for enhancements.

>>8052726
didn't test every map, but OBD played just fine. granted, it's one of the earlier maps.

>>8052780
But on going through a portal, it just rotates me through different level ending screens.

You'd think that they would have tested this with the biggest quake mod out there. Like they did with the Blood release.

>>8052773
Citation for what? Blood Fresh Supply being an inaccurate, buggy piece of shit? Where the fuck have you been, newfag?
Or the fact the PowerSlave is inaccurate trash? In which case watch the trailer because anyone that played both the Saturn and PSX originals will immediately notice there isn't a single Saturn feature visible in the trailer beyond red scarabs and that they're using PSX geometry and jump physics, and that the redrawn map is based on the PSX one but they fucked it up.

>>8052639
I was speaking more to the big leaps as 3d and game enhancement tech was evolving rapidly, giving rise to the big classics. But you're right, theoretically we could still experience 'waiting' for more content - but there is so much content i find i'm never really waiting on anything, there is always plenty in my backlog to play.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cR-FuVcRw8
QuakeCon mapping talk in 15 mins

>>8052459
Enforced vsync + triple buffering has been a thing Windows has done with windowed/borderless mode since 8. You cannot disable it as it's a part of the compositor. It's why gsync kinda just sucks with Windowed mode no matter what.

>>8052787
Citation needed for the Quake remaster not using the Quake engine at all. Either you irrefutably prove it's the case or you can shut the fuck up.

>>8052793
The developers themselves literally saying it's on KEX Engine you fucking humongous retard. Do you know what an engine is? Did you fucking miss the splash screen or the fact that idTech isn't credited anywhere?

>>8052762
>>8052763

>>8051843

>>8052798
KEX isn't an engine in the broad sense of the term, it's a framework that allows them to inject their changes into another engine.

>>8052768
>>8052798
The DF Doom 64 interview explains Kex isn't a full-fledged engine but more of a wrapper for modern features and display APIs, so practically an "engine-agnostic engine", and every Kex game is the original under the hood, reverse engineered to communicate with Kex.
>>8052809
this.

>>8052785
press space

>>8052810
Explain why these supposed "originals" aren't compatible with anything for originals then, faggot shill.

KEX, more like keks

>>8052506
>(((civvie)))

>>8052793
It's quite blatantly and unabashedly using Kex with Quake assets and approximate behavior you blithering idiot.

>>8052821
Yes, Civvie the crypto-Jew occasionally makes a good video when he's properly motivated. I hope he shits on Nightdive's Quake where it deserves it.

>>8052148
Sorry it was almost 4am when I did that, should be right this time.

>>8052816
try playing AD on WinQuake if it's made for the original lmao

I see we're in "a lot of people hate it" phase now. Huh.

>>8052512
>The pictures took on an almost fetishistic quality, as Adrian traded them with his friends
what the fuck adrian

>>8052823
>>8052809
>>8052810
You people have no clue what engine even means and you have the audacity to pretend you do. KEX is a wrapper, not a brand new engine capable or running 10+ different games somehow that use completely different engines.

>>8052829
>DRM'd all to shit
>physics are wrong
>movement is wrong
>Quake 64 locked behind Bethesda.net login requirement
>compressed all to shit soundtrack because they couldn't be bothered to use FLAC despite original using RedBook audio
>lighting is drastically changed for no reason whatsoever and you can't disable the new lighting
It's SHIT

>>8052837
These are the same fags who claim Doom was ported to Unity.

>all that shill samefagging exactly minute apart
Weak.

>>8052812
Oh that worked. Quicksaving crashes the whole game though.

>>8052837
Isn't it just a regular game engine? They write tools to import existing game data, attempt to replicate movement, etc as best they can.
There definitely isn't any real quake in the KEX version.

>>8052843
>Isn't it just a regular game engine?
It is, you're replying to a paid shill.
Kaiser himself explicitly said they just replicate (more like approximate, considering how inaccurate his ports are) original aspects in KEX.

>>8052840
>>lighting is drastically changed for no reason whatsoever and you can't disable the new lighting
This is the biggest thing for me. It's so fucking gross looking. Also I wish there wasa gamma, saturation, and contrast slider.

>>8052842
>doesn't know how to count

>>8052726
i tried a few random maps yesterday. foggy bogbottom and nyarlathoteps sand castle seemed to work fine, but newer stuff like tears of the false god dont load at all.

This is just Cursed Kaiser Version, wait for source ports to be updated to support the new episode like EDuke32 was to support Alien World Order.

>>8052826
Civvie is Jewish?

>>8052837
I know it IS hard to believe, but it really is that bad.

I'm sorry anon, really I am.

>>8052752
>>8052768
>>8052787
It actually uses the Quake engine alongside KEX for the game logic and other stuff. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to connect to the regular Quake servers for example.
As for Blood Fresh Supply, IIRC it had to be reverse engineered and devs simply hated Build, as Doom source port devs tend to do.

>>8052870
We're just taking the piss because we don't like him m8 I mean he might be, but still

>>8052864
> like EDuke32 was to support Alien World Order.

it does though

>>8052875
It didn't immediately, that's why he's saying to wait.

>>8052872
>Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to connect to the regular Quake servers for example.
That doesn't need to happen. To connect you just need to send the right packets.

>>8052780
>he doesn't know
It's not gonna work as well as you think it will. Try going through the blue portal on the upper floor. Forgot the name of the episode. It'll crash the game.

>>8052872
>devs simply hated Build
It shows. Fresh Supply was total crap at launch and made it to the rank of garbage before it was abandoned by the devs.

>>8052875
Originally it didn't, that's why I'm saying it's just a repeat of that. Wait for source ports to add compatibility with new episode.

>>8052886
Wouldn't it desync if the game logic was different and it didn't support one from the server?

watch this nerds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cR-FuVcRw8

>>8052901
At the very least it ain't perfect. Shit falls apart even during the initial demo compared side by side.

>>8052901
Yes, but they have replicated the core game logic.

Who is going to be the first mad lad to port Team Fortress over?

https://youtu.be/8FVJ__rBFxk

>>8052917
I wonder how much of that is from the code changes and KEX life support around it and how much is from inane default config settings (that you can't change in the game without a console)
>>8052918
Fine, wouldn't it desync from the advanced movement being used?
>>8052929
They said that mods for original Quake that don't need specific source ports are supported, so you can just try to run it first.

> I analyzed the contents of DOTP and found out that they have made any messages external for language support, i.e. the map files themselves only contain $variablename for all messages. While this can be reverted, what is inside of the custom progs.dat cannot. Apparently they also added six runes to DOTP including an episode ending text (besides the two new maps), so we are not only talking about a few messages, but also gameplay changes. Ultimately, if custom ports don't make adjustments for this, you will have to run everything through Kex. That's it. Same goes for the new models which are in MD5 format, making sure nothing will just work with any other port. That's the part I really hate about this remaster, regardless whether it was done intentionally or not. But well, we all knew already this wouldn't be your new bread-and-butter port to be used for everything, just like Doom Unity.
Well, shit.

>>8052910
>smiling friends storyboarded in trenchbroom
huh

>>8052929
team fortress already works
even intro demo

>>8052910
Wasn't expecting godot to be name dropped. Neat.

>>8052948
Cruelty Squad used trenchboom to make its levels. Really robust if I say so myself. You can also import doom wads into godot with a different importer called GodWad.

I love this feature in Crispy Doom. Randomly mirrored corpses, correct blood colors, and correctly colored crushed gibs without having to use any mods. I feel like this an option all ports should have. Seems very simple to implement, and it looks really nice.

>>8052954
DSDA and FDWL support configurable blood color patches from the Eternity Engine.

>>8052959
prboom+ does too now.

>>8052940
MD5 model format is supported in FTE.

>>8052590
>Are you sure your perception hasnt been warped by tabloids and twitter? There are faggots in every age bracket and "social generations" are poor generalizations.
Fair point, but I think millennials are the worst offenders of acting like they do no wrong, then again it could be a vocal minority thing.
>I'm not sure from your post whether you are saying generations offer some predictive insight, or not.
I meant more so that your overall character isn't defined by demographics like generations, or demographics in general. Granted there are people from different generations that have perspectives that are based on what said generation faced (war, hardships of any kind, etc), but I don't immediately assume that the person in question has/had a specific lifestyle based on when they were born (or anything else for that matter). Even if they did, I wouldn't generalize the fact that they had/have the life they had/have on their demographic at all. EG a millennial that's lazy and pretentious isn't that way because of when they were born, they just happened to be that way and it somehow is a common trend of sorts. Going back to what you said about social generations, to say that someone is the way they are or will turn out a certain way specifically because of what their age is is way too simplistic of a conclusion to make, and the exact same thing can be said about any other demographic.

Pic related, thanks for making my nogg jogg, anon.

>>8052947
>>8052929

>>8052895
Wasn't abandoned by the devs. They weren't allotted the time by the publisher to fix the port. And it was decent for most people by the end, just not perfect. For your average normie, Fresh Supply is more than sufficient.
>inb4 someone acts like a cunt about the word normie

>>8052901
>>8052918
>>8052934
is it input that gets replicated in QuakeWorld, or game state? if it's the latter you would just warp a bit all the time since the server is still the truth

I'm not a regular here, but I was reading about Phobos and Deimos for fun and couldn't NOT think of this franchise!

have a complimentary bump, gentlemen!

>>8052982
Still don't like it.

>>8052995
named after gods of fear and terror, based moons

>>8052995
>E1 and E2 take place on these
how kek

>>8053008
Plot twist, UAC went to hell for their crimes against astronomy.

>>8052971
Actually, it seems FTE runs new episode pretty well. No console error spam, no crashes after shooting enemies. Dynamic lights unfortunately don't work and messages are still broken obviously. Otherwise prefectly playable.

>>8052995
Fun fact: the escape velocity on Phobos is merely 25 mph, so Doomguy could casually jump off the moon.

>>8053008
stated in the manuals and intermission texts

Haven't really doomed in like a year, any new good wads out?
Also someone recommend me some city/office/'realistic' maps to play with wildweasel's Terrorists! mod.

>>8053035
Running Late 2

>>8053031
Like I ever read any of that.

>>8053029
This explains lack of jumping - Doomguy is afraid.

"remaster"

>>8052140
>these are the people that call us "closed-minded"

>>8053029
He runs faster than that. He could fall off the edge and into space by just sprinting.

>>8052840
>Quake 64 locked behind Bethesda.net login requirement
Any chance that the files will be shared by somebody with a beth account?

Meanwhile no Sin remaster and no Elexis. Fuck this.

So if I never played the original quake, is the remake they pushed worth doing with friends?

>>8053058
No, it's inaccurate.

>>8053029
>>8053040
then again Deimos was teleported over Hell so who knows how gravity works there

>>8053038
cheers i'll give it a try
>>8053058
just play quake lol, no point in getting the remaster when you can use a source port and grab the files from the op

>>8053063
I think we can assume UAC would have artificial gravity, although it's unclear why they'd want a rock in this case.

I suppose because of the anomalies.

>>8053073
smart!

>>8053080
What is that pic from? Is it from the opening cutscene of Eternal or something?

>>8053090
..I don't know!
I just googled "Phobos Deimos Doom"!

looks cool tho!