/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 3.0 >>8038989
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfun

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8025812

VRSKINS 3.9 (delayed)
Submissions closed

=== NEWS ===
[8-16] Two new powerslave maps released
https://www.moddb.com/games/powerslave/addons/temple-of-the-fire-and-the-water
https://www.moddb.com/games/powerslave/addons/forgotten-sanctuary

[8-14] Age of Hell Demo released
https://hellforge-studios.itch.io/the-age-of-hell

[8-12] Quake Enhanced Edition TBA
https://xboxera.com/2021/08/12/a-revitalized-edition-of-quake-to-be-announced-at-quakecon-per-the-now-scrubbed-description-of-the-lets-talk-quake-event/

[8-12] DOOM Retro updated to 4.2
https://www.doomretro.com/

[8-11] Anon releases a map, BigDill.wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123839-bigdillwad-a-tricky-tech-base-two-streets-south-of-hell/

[8-10] Crispy Doom updated to 5.10.2
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/

[8-10] Action Doom 2: Urban Brawl Reloaded released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123821-action-doom-2-urban-brawl-reloaded/

[8-09] Xaser posted an MBF21 showcase mod
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123800-wip-vesper-mbf21-showcase-mod/

[8-09] DSDA-Doom has reached v0.20.0 which adds beta support for Hexen.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2364887

[8-09] Skulltiverse is now on idgames
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/skulltiverse

[8-06] .md2 importing tool for Blender
https://twitter.com/JoshuaSkelly/status/1423672434331295748

[8-04] Summer Fun Anon releases a demo
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7wwd30oawggfm0/Summer_Fun-Demo.zip?dl=1

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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>>8041458
It's only like 42 images, you'd be surprised just how few and far inbetween such a topic is. If anybody could supply more (preferably wholesome) images of the subject matter I'd be happy.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u6x5xjf8owapodt/pictures%20of%20doomguy%20and%20daisy.zip?dl=1

>>8041472
Excellent way to start the thread. Thanks anon.

>>8041463
lel good op pic

Imagine if the captcha actually had something like Doom in it you had to beat. Just a small snippet of a level or something with random goals.
>punch out the pinkies
>defeat the cyberdemon on a recreation of E2M8
>find the red key and exit through the red door

>>8041463
Hey, any of you folks here familiar with the gingerbread-esque doll seen in the 1st and 2nd Thief games?

Set up basic layout for my new map. Proper light calibrations and light sources pending.

>>8041463

>>8041501
lookin' good anon, can't wait to play it

>>8041463
>Hexen puzzle captcha

>>8041502
What a fucking dumb picture.

bros is DSDA Doom good? i didn't know it was made for speed running. I'm not a speedrunner
but is it limit removing, boom compatible and vanilla????

>>8041502
i think brutal doom actually makes doom easier imo. even with "new behavior".

>>8041539
Should be. Like normal PrBoom it forked from.

>>8041545
thats all i needed to hear desu. i'm gonna try it. didn't even know those speed runners made their own source port.
I just thought it had a funny name lmao

>>8041514
>dumb evil code

>>8041549
It's also the only port that handles UMAPINFO right now, it seems. Not that anyone cares.

But obviously speedrunners will want full compatibility.

>>8041556
what is umapinfo? idk if thats a noob question or not.
Is that stats for levels???
not to go off on a tangent real fast. but is this involved with monster counts??
i noticed in zdoom derivatives it'll count every last monster including lost souls generated by a pain elemental

but on eternity it only counts like a specific number of enemies and sometimes i'll end up with like 103 percent kills cause there was ten normal not lost souls enemies at the exit that were not counted.

>>8041539
Yeah. I really like it. You should try my fork anon.

https://github.com/CharlesLove/from-doom-with-love/releases/latest

>Play Megawad that everyone recommends.
>Grab key.
>Monster closet full of boners and a archvile.
>Every fucking time.

>>8041556
>the only port that handles UMAPINFO right now
What, not even Woof handles it?

>>8041576
umapinfo is just a way for mappers to create custom episodes and secret exits. the u is short for universal because its being added to more ports than just gzdoom

>>8041576
>what is umapinfo? idk if thats a noob question or not.
It's a more advanced tool to give levels certain settings, like splitting them into episodes or make dead simple tags elsewhere, that can work between bigger variety of ports.
But right now it works a little inconsistently. DSDA seems like it works the best.

>>8041581
Don't you know? If you spam those monsters, map = good.

>>8041584
Didn't think to try Woof, so I don't know.

>>8041502
Based and vanilla-pilled.

>>8041579
i'll check it out why not. add it the zdl list.

>>8041587
>>8041589
oh okay that makes sense. it gives wad/ map creators more freedom to play around with doom.
Is this like editing levels? Like back to saturn X still has a thing from "dead simple" with that lone mancubus in the closest?
Like they still had to put that one trigger in but now have the freedom to modify it?

>>8041536
Brutalfag spotted

>>8041502
Why is "Unity Port" in UV+? Is it actually fairly accurate (assuming that's what the ice berg is supposed to be about)?

>>8041606
They aren't maps, more like lists of settings.
Normally dead simple tags only work on 7th map. Or equivalent on E1M8 E4M6 and E4M8 for bosses. UMAPINFO can replicate this on any level, for example. Also define where exits would let etc.

>>8041615
oh okay i understand now. that makes sense

>>8041613
It's pretty accurate yeah. It's in Unity, but it's mostly a wrapper over the old code.

>>8041539
It's the new generation of PrBoom+ pretty much. It has some built in features for speedrunning, but you can just ignore those if you want. Optionally, instead of stressing competing with amazing pros like Stx-Vile or ZeroMaster, you can just challenge yourself and see how fast you can beat a level, just for the fun of it.

Australia-kun hates us.

Combined Arms literally the funniest mod I've ever played Doom with

>>8041631
Who gives a fuck about that spastic?

>>8041631
Oh dear.

>>8041636
Why's that?

>>8041625
desu i never think about stuff like that. I just play for fun and like having more options. Cause once they're all in ZDL's drop down menu. I can switch as I want
>well it looks better in X
and I can put all my command line arguments right in the bottom. super comfy

>>8041645
The texts, weapon designs, sound effects
It has lots of humour, it's both a fun gameplay mod and a funny experience yeeeeeeeehaw

>>8041502
I'm kinda tired of playing Boom or limit-removing wads lately, are there any good pure Vanilla wads to play?

>>8041660
Last time I saw someone make vanilla wad it was Modest Mapping 2 and it's stuck in limbo.

>>8041660
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114671-big-vanilla-wad-pack-revision-xii-july-26th-maximum-doom-the-way-kid-did/

>>8041539
It has rewind feature, similar to one in Duke3D 20th Anniversary. Basically, you can forget about saving, game does this constantly itself.
Also Heretic & Hexen support, though not complete yet and has some bugs. Can confirm that vanilla Heretic is fully playable, but a few custom maps I tried are broken.

>>8041581
>>8041591
Wtf? A map contains monsters?? Fucking cacoward bait.

>>8041660
Back to Saturn X, Scythe, Mutabor, Epic 2, Ray Mohawk 2, REKKR, Plutonia 2, Doom 64 in Doom 2, DTWID, The Darkening E2, Suspended in Dusk, TNT Revilution, Reverie, No End In Sight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVV7gPD_ho
Worms in Doom

i like it

>>8041687
Would a wad be more cacoward bait if it had lots of monsters or if it had none?

>>8041591
This, but non ironically. Get gud.

>>8041724
Is that one of the Doomer Board wads? It seems familiar

>>8041724
This one's my favourite DBP
I just love it, don't know why
Have fun anon

>>8041753
yes, dungeons & demons

>>8041489
>uv-max sunder map without saves

>>8041770
Cheers, lad!

So did anyone actually pay attention to the lore in Nu Doom? I've only played 2016 so far, and I just kind of ignored it. I thought the audio logs where kind of boring, honestly.

>>8041806
Nah. It breaks up the flow too much with all the text.

>>8041806
>dude, the UAC is responsible for giving these demons tech
Man, if only youtubers took the time to actually call id out for this silly retcon

>>8041806
Lore is a mess, that retcons on every game/dlc.

>>8041824
It just occurred to me - what demon's skeleton IS the Revenant, anyway? He's too large for the smaller mooks, but I think he's taller than the knights/barons, isn't he?
So, where do those skellingtons come from?

>>8041656
Feels fucking good to have a front-end for picking your sourceport and file load order on the fly, man.

>>8041836
maybe some we've just never seen
like how the cover of the first doom has those red skinned, yellow horn minotaurs and the stone portraits include a gargoyle, satyr, old man and lion

From Gregor Punchatz, a few days back:
>One of the most often questions I get it from fans of my work on the original video game DOOM is “what would you do now if you had an opportunity to contribute to a new DOOM game?” Well the Archvile would look something like this!
It looks a lot more like the original physical model, and definitely better than Eternal's.

I love zdl, I don't even use zdoom. It's just so nice.

>>8041842
Looks like one of those aliens from Signs

>>8041851
>>8041842
because he was supposed to be creepy, which is fitting for a unique and challenging foe
although this recent render also makes the anorexic waist and mouth tubes less prominent

>>8041851
>>8041870
I always felt his face looked more skeletal on the actual ingame sprites, so I never really saw it as an angry alien, nor did I think the marble wall relief looked too much like him.

>>8041806
I liked the portrayal of UAC, with part of it being a satanic cult and higher-ups like Hayden trying to ignore that.
Doomguy's story and everything about that He-Man knockoff world Argent D'Nur is atrocious though.

>>8041842
Gotta say that I don't like the digitigrade legs on him, the fact that he was overall humanoid in his body shape (just warped and wrong), I think was effective.

>>8041836
I always assumed the revenant was meant to be a human sized skeleton that was scaled up because that made it more intimidating. It's hitbox is much smaller than its sprite, and concept art shows it as being more of a resurrected marine.

Is it me or Heartland is kinda not fun? Like, does it expects me to savescum? I'm playing the first level and the end (I assume it's the end) is one gotcha trap in tight space after another. I've been saving on keys right now, I can't imagine redoing entire level several times just to try another way to cheese the second archvile encounter.

>>8041514
>Experience realistic revenants

>>8041514
>Crispy Hexen
Fabian, when?

>>8041902
Archie is always hunched over, anyone ever straighten out his posture so we can see just how tall he is compared to Doomguy?

>>8041613
It's just Doom, rendered at a higher framerate, with an optional crosshair.

>>8041902
I'll always see the archvile as not having a mouth.

>>8041842
i don't like the look of those feet tho.

GZDoom is not retro.

>>8042093
wrong

>>8041838
it truly does

>>8041756
those doomer board wads are short but they're usually pretty good dbp 20 is also one of my favorites by them.

When i change a sound font to a sc-55 file. Do i just write SC-55 or the entire file name. Cause right now the file is called
>SC-55.SoundFont.v1.2b
Do i write that whole thing into sound font ? or just SC-55?

>>8042108
ZDoom came out in like 1999, months before the original Boom. It goes way back.

Missed the new thread so I'm responding again here

>>8041334
It's, as you would expect from a completely open submission community project with 200 maps, a mixed bag. There's a lot of 1994 style MyFirstMap.wads in there, a few well meaning maps you can have some fun with if you're not going in expecting Cacoward aesthetics and balance, and some more experimental stuff like the rhythm game map
I made a map for it, and I haven't heard anyone say anything too bad about it yet and I got some positive feedback for it so there's at the very least that.

>>8042161
>Rhythm game map
Haven't played that one yet. What's it called?

>>8042164
Rhythm Shootout, you autodie if you fire out of beat with Axel F too many times
It's a mess but it's also hilarious

>>8042050
same

GOODBYE MIDDLE EAST
Rocketeer (Revenant) is finished besides the gore and rocket graphic. On another note, can anyone help me source some arabic dialogue saying some terroristy things?

>>8041463
>be me
>go to zdoom forums for more mods
>find a mod inspired by arcade rail shooters
>play mod
>ok but it's not fast enough
>3 days later of editing zscript, I have Zero experience on
>it's done and balanced
>2inchestotheleft.gif

>>8042210
Here's the link Anonfile
/9bc7B8C4u0/VIRTUA_GUNS_REI_EDITED_zip

also fuck you 4chan for calling this post spam

>>8042204
>can anyone help me source some arabic dialogue saying some terroristy things?
Just get someone screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR" from somewhere, you barely need anything more.
Like this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qZg3zOkpw

>>8042220
the sauce of the original
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=71208

>>8042142
It's funny how ZDoom still has less good wads and levels than Boom.

>>8042224
I'd prefer some fresh voice clips, if an anon here spoke Arabic and would like to help out that'd be great

>>8042231
what is this awful image, and if it's a doom mod where do I download it

>>8042234
You could ask on /k/. There is a handful of people who have actually been to Afghanistan, someone might have certainly learned a few words.

>>8042231
>this image

I have a feeling CBM is some high profile mapper's alt taking the piss out of the community

Also feel like he's making fun of gzdoom with how unplayably laggy and broken his maps are due to how he abuses 3d floors and other shit in a nonsensical manner

What the fuck man, I'm trying to beat all of the doom commercial games on pistol start, but I'm stuck on map 4 of fucking TNT Evilution, I've managed to beat Doom 1 and 2 but I can't fucking beat wormhole.

>>8042259
I'll let this troll have his fun with me then because it's hilarious either way.

>>8042239
It's not a mod, but (You) could make it happen.

>>8042234
I doubt any native speaker would be super keen on contributing to this mod.

>>8042272
I never said it had to be a native speaker, I just need someone to scream some Arabic with semi-correct pronunciation

>>8042231
I think it's because:
A: Boom can 8 times out of 10 do all the shit that you want with a Doom level (9 times out of 10 with the new MFB21 compat and UMAPINFO). There really is quite a lot of linedef functions, sector effects, and you can even make reasonably sophisticated 'scripts' with VooDoo dolls. See HFFM Map10 for something many people didn't know you could even do in Boom.

B: People are usually fine with using just the stock Doom and Doom 2 monsters, because they're fairly versatile as is, and it makes it much easier for people to play your Boom map with a GzDoom mod.
Here's another thing where the upgraded compats will improve matters, because with Extended DeHacked you don't even need to sacrifice preexisting actors and assets anymore, you can plain add something new. Hell, this gives GzDoom gameplay modders an easy way to make a special patch to adapt these things to their mod.

They both fill their niches well, and I think that's fine, good maps will continue to almost always be made in Vanilla, Limit Removing, and Boom (and MBF21), and the gameplay mods people want will be made with GzDoom.
Also, rumor has it that LzDoom is going to be folded into GzDoom to provide better compatibility with lower end machines, so I think we're looking at a nice future where Crispy Doom, DSDA, and GzDoom fulfill most our needs. The only puzzle piece that remains is netplay for these ports.

>>8042259
That would be hilarious as fuck.

>>8042280
You forgot
C: Some people are just not able/too lazy to learn ACS/ZScript (and sometimes even Decorate)

>>8042267
I think I'll pass, autism is at its best when it's done from a place of sincerity

What even IS decino's nationality? His accent perplexes me.

>>8042261
I literally beat it after writing this

>>8042312
Chiwanese

>>8041957
Most players save on the first playthrough. It's a common practice. Blind runs are less common. Heartland isn't even one of the harder wads. Just save on the first playthrough and quit ruining your experience.

>>8042267
Does that pistol have fucking veins

>>8042312
Dutch

>>8042315
Yea, that map makes me horny too.

>>8042276
Forget pronunciation accuracy, just go for the full Wolf 3D approach.

>>8042237
looks sick

>>8042352
Thanks. It's done for now. Gotta move onto other things. But this is a step in getting the steam page done anyway.

>>8042320
Looks to me like someone tried to give it some fancy engraving, but because they suck at 3D sculpting, it looks all veiny. The tried to make an Ambassador from TF2, and ended up with a dildo that has a tactical pistol grip.

>>8042341
>you actually made a thread on /k/
I am so sorry. Of course I meant you should ask in one of the threads with people who have actually served. I should have been clearer on that. I doubt you'll get an actual answer like that, since /k/ is in the top 3 dumbest/most schizo boards of all the chans and full of people who don't know anything about anything.

Does anyone know any mods that's... just weapons? Eriguns is cool, but I was thinking of something to go along with Corruption Cards. Pillowblaster is awesome, but I can only play Trailblazer so much before things get TOO easy.

>>8042365
What are the other 2? I'm assuming /pol/ and /x/

>>8041756
In my opinion, Dungeons and Demons has the best aesthetic and setting.

>>8042259
He's not, he's legitimately some decrepit gen xer with mental health problems and self esteem he ties into how people receive his maps
After the whole RAMP shitshow the catharsis I felt when Decino was plainly forcing himself to be positive about his Doom from memory map was delicious

>>8042372
You tried Final Doomer yet?

>>8042390
Heard of it. I'll have to give it a try.

>>8042341
What exactly do you want recorded anon? Just random arabic lines?

>>8042294
That too. I understand Decorate well enough to do basic stuff, but fuck learning ACS or ZScript.
I can usually do what I want with Boom format maps.

>>8042372
Combined_Arms, and DAKKA

>>8042267
>>8042320
>>8042363

>>8042414
Basically just things a middle eastern militant would scream or say during combat

>>8042424
Well, sorry anon. I do have a native saudi friend, but he's also a platinum tier shitposter so a bunch of slurs in arabic is probably the best you're gonna get.

>>8042126
That screenshot really reminds me of playing wads like Drown in Blood with fast weapons on ZDaemon. Can't believe how long ago that was. Really nostalgic. Thank you for posting.

>>8042384
>the catharsis I felt when Decino was plainly forcing himself to be positive about his Doom from memory map was delicious
Now watch tarnsman do it
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1103505104?t=2h13m9s

>>8042415
ACS is literal babycode, you need to be retarded to not be able to learn it in five minutes

>>8042438
It took me awhile to figure it out and even then I stumble over it at times.
I'm not a clever man though, I'm just a very persistent one.

>>8042428
Not him, but that would be even better.

>>8042438
I am in fact retarded, anon.

>>8042050

>>8042435
>CBM tagging his name on the floor

>>8042457

that;s big Dave

>>8042435
>tribute to Romero
>but Romero didn't make that map

>>8042415
You should learn ACS because it has some functionality that decorate or even zscript doesn't replicate.

>>8042464
HAWHAWHAW

>>8042231
>that dragon dildo engraving

>Map 16 of TNT
Please tell me the map design doesn't get any worse than this.

>>8042594
It'll get a lot worse than that later, but it's also getting a lot better soon.

>>8042038
Using a crosshair is cheating, IMO. It makes the Chaingun too efficient if you always hit the first 2 bullets.

>>8042624
I think you don't particularly need it for just base Doom, the weapons are easy to get a feel for and you're using vertical auto-aim anyway. I don't even feel they make any appreciable difference for the base game.
Makes more sense for mods where the weapons are different, and where you have full freelook and thus the means to manually place shots very deliberately.

>>8041613
It refers to the new official ports on PC, PS4, XBone, Switch, etc, they run in a Unity wrapper to make multiplat easier.

They were actually a fucking disaster on launch (like, really embarrassing), but they fixed them up, and by now they're pretty good and pretty accurate, and cheap. A few tiny things differ minutely, but overall they're technically the most accurate console ports of Doom and Doom 2 ever published. If you're a console only pleb, they're a good way to play classic Doom and get an authentic experience.
A nice bonus with the official ports is that a couple of times a year, they will 'curate' a Vanilla/Limit-Removing mapset and provide it as a free add-on in an update (you also get Sigil and Final Doom for free), so aside from getting a lot of content in the base package, they slowly add more, which is a worthwhile point for consoles.

For PC, I think it's pointless, because you already have so many good sourceports available for free, and piracy is trivial, but I guess it's the principle of the matter. For consoles, I think it's a good product, a clueless zoomer can easily just grab the game and go, and they occasionally do.

>>8041502
Crispy is my go-to port, but I use Chocolate for Hexen, so am I on Nightmare mode?

>>8042237
maybe something more like this

>>8042267
Nah thanks, I'm good enough with one autistic Pokemon OC Doom mod.

>>8042841
Holy shit! Where's shitwad anon when you need him?

>>8042841
Autistic foot fetish pokemon OC Doom mod, get it right, anon.

So, have you heard what is happening right now in Hexen multiplayer scene?

>>8042872
Oh, dish honey.

>>8042872
There is no such thing.

>>8042842
Pls no, I'm still recovering from Hell Resharted 2. I want to get off Mr. Shitwad's wild ride.

>>8042880
Yeah, and whose fault is that?

>>8042897
Raven's?

>>8042664
BFG Edition was worse.

>>8042871
Uhm, based?

https://youtu.be/JLHJEu--a7k

Stop pretending Powerslave was ever good.

>>8042723
Yeah probably

>>8041957
saveless runs on blind playthroughs are a meme. Even Decino realised this after his blind BTSX E2 playthrough effectively ruined his enjoyment of the wad.

>>8043105
>

>>8043063
What, on launch? I honestly don't recall. The new ports are definitely much better though.

>>8043127
Yeah, but it's not like I'm going to play it again. And I do save, just not often.

>>8043127
>saveless runs on blind playthroughs are a meme.
No, it's not. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's a "meme" or whatever

>>8041463
can kmquake 2 play in 4k? I can't seem to get it to.

>>8042384
There's no reason to be mean. You are acting like an idiot.

>>8043135
Blind saveless is most certainly a meme if every single person who insists upon themselves to do it then complains about large maps being too long, or hard maps being too hard, thanks to a self-imposed challenge making it even worse on themselves.

>>8043132
>shitty wolfenstein levels censure
>no multiplayer on pc
>sounds are fucked up
>red and white pill on medkits
>no fast monsters on nightmare (a problem since the original xbox port)
>no animations in the intermission map of ultimate doom
I mean the Unity port was the same at launch except with always have to login in to play the game but the damage was already done.

>>8043162
Oh yeah, it was a hunk of shit actually.

>>8042872
yeah, I heard the last guy waiting for someone else to hop on finally died

>>8043162
>red and white pill on medkits
It, like, takes couple of buttons in Slade to recolor the cross green, and it wouldn't have been such an eyesore. Hell, they could've replaced it with a heart, I don't know.

>>8043161
if the mapper can't make his map beatable on saveless runs, it's their fault, not the player. Playing without saves is 100% normal, not a "self-imposed challenge".

>>8041836
Nephilim skeleton

>>8043249
>he's on a shitposting run and he can't save himself

Was the PSX port designed for pistol starting too?

>>8043152
I'm not saying this to be mean.
CBM is legitimately mentally unstable, and has talked openly about this. I don't have a problem with people being neuroatypical, I suffer from at times pretty severe depression, anxiety, and even a bitch of a personality disorder that makes it cripplingly hard to form friendships with people. I get it. What's more an issue is that they air all of this publicly, going on about how they're literally off their meds, (I know off their meds is a phrase people use as a generic insult, I mean they talk publicly about literally not taking the medication they have been prescribed for their mental illnesses) and lashing out at anyone and everyone who offers any critique, no matter how well meaning, and devolves discussions into flagellations over the simplest advice. I legitimately worry for their mental health that they've placed so much emotional investment into a video game from 1993 that they'll have a mental breakdown over someone not liking their maps that much, and I hope they have a loving and supportive family.
Okay yeah calling them a decrepit gen xer is a bit of a mean dig, but they throw around the fact that they've apparently been making maps since the 90s like it's weight against criticism, and talking down to people as if they're less enlightened than him, it's just pure unwitting self-destructive behavior that leads to nobody liking him that much, and after how caught up I got in everything, it just felt nice to know that I wasn't completely and utterly out of touch.

>>8043276
>And has talked openly about this
Link pls

>>8043281
No. Fuck off.

>>8043290
Jerkoff.

>>8043276
>I legitimately worry
How far gone are you.

>>8043276
The way he reacted when I liked/upvoted dazel's comment about his dogshit maps it's still hilarious to me lmao

>>8043281
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123146-doom-2-a-delightfully-devilish-experiment/?tab=comments#comment-2346919

>>8043301
>How far gone are you.
Down the road of empathy? All the fucking way baby, one love.

>>8043312
What a change of heart.
So, this post adds a whole new layer to the thing. I'll be watching his career with great interest.

>>8043312
>shitwad anon almost killed CBM's mapping career

Oh yeah, RIP doom -2 btw. No updates since august. Guess the support died out after the first attempt.

>>8043339
I regret this now. If I actually killed his career, we never would have got to see more CBM kino. Anon truly was the villain this time.

>>8043348
I wonder what did you wrote to him lol

Hey Rumble anon I just want you to know that I'm still plodding away on my map. Even if there's 3 submissions for this big thing you made I'll try and make mine one of them

>>8043367
Ah, well thanks, and good luck with the map. Even if the project ends up being a complete failure with like 3 maps, it's been fun and I've learned a lot over the past 4 months (didn't even really know how to code when I started). If nothing else, I'll shit out my own maps for the mod and credit all the anons who yelled at me to fix shit along the way.

New update should be out tomorrow or the day after btw - as soon as I can get the requested axeman enemy to a functional state (I'm starting to think Drake's code is more autistic than AD's).

I'm glad it's over

I'm sure to win the cacowards now, right guys?

>>8043446
Where's the archviles?

>>8043452
lol
This is an unironic map by the way. It needs to be finished by the end of the night so i'll keep you all posted.

>>8043463
If it's an unironic map, the revenants are probably too close.

>>8043472
What revenants?

>>8041958

Playing Scourge of Armagon and have just completed the first episode. I've noticed the centroid enemies seem to move very quickly/erratically to the point it looks quite glitchy. Is this normal? I'm playing with quakespasm 0.93.2 so i wouldn't have expected compatibility issues.

>>8041514

>>8043276
>they
He

>>8043080
imagine de smelle

>>8043080
I have this joke mod that I whipped up in, like five minute,and it's 99% complete but I can't be arsed to actually finish it. It is sort of like EWP but for monsters and more subtle - basically every monster has one change done to it to make it horribly broken and unfair. I've been struggling for something to do with cacodemons, but ultimately decided that they are fucking flying embarrassments and don't deserve anything nice and they will just shoot fireballs out of their backsides. Problem was that I couldn't find a good fart sound - I didn't thought to use one from Worms for some reason and I was too squeamish to look for one at freesounds.org because it would've been definitely recorded by some fart fetishist. Since "fart with extra reverb" is all the rage right now I think I will probably try it?

SSSM (Super Shitty Shatner Maps) when?

What did you think of realms deep 2021?

>>8043642
We still haven't done Fast Fried Onion Maps.

>>8043642
TekWar textures, you mean?

>>8043654
JANNY JANNY HELP ME HE IS TRYING TO TALK OFF-TOPIC JANNY JANNY

>>8043656
If you think about it, TekWar is the epitome of onion maps because you have to travel to different maps to find keycards for other maps. The layers are infinite and fried to perfection.

>>8043658
>TekWar textures, you mean?
heh...
http://www.r-t-c-m.com/knowledge-base/downloads-rtcm/tekwar-tools/

>>8042379
I would have said /v/ instead of /x/, but I haven't been to /x/ in like ten years or so.

>>8041463
OP is a fuckin fag. Yesterday I fucked him in the ass. Then I came in his mouth

>>8042372
Let me quickly shill my shitty weapon pack here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rp5dymllia9id52/FREEBEER.pk3?dl=0

Note that it's basically impossible to beat D2 with it.

>>8043276
>I mean they talk publicly about literally not taking the medication they have been prescribed for their mental illnesses
>"my psyciatrist decided I should try to be off my meds"
Nigga, his shrink told him to, he's not doing anything wrong here. As for the maps - they may be shitty but if he stops shoving them into community projects then it's harmless

So how useful are voodoo dolls if you want to make ZDoom maps and shit?

>>8043737
There is zero (0) reason to use voodoo dolls if you're mapping for ZDoom.

>>8043742
Gotcha. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDjDOUHsMiY
I know people love to shit on SGT Mark but from looking at this he has really matured as a designer and coder. Also the sprite work is top notch

>>8042141
If you use a system MIDI palyer device that supports loading sound fonts, see its configuration utility and manual.

If you use a MIDI player library included in your doom port, and it supports loading sound fonts, see port's manual or wiki.

If my memory serves me right, it was not straightforward in Chocolate Doom and its derivatives on Windows because no default file paths are provided at compile time to the library, and no paths are initialized at run time, so the list of directories to look for sound fonts is empty there. I remember using some environment variables found in API docs or source code. There are also multiple uncontrollable fallbacks, so you hear the music anyway, just not in the way you tried to set it up.

In any case, to state the file name in configuration file or a parameter you need it in full, with extension, so turn them on in Explorer (or copy the name from file properties).

>>8043642
>I know those Aliens shoot your vehicle down but did you half to blow up a third of LA, remember you're here to save the city not play with yourself.

>>8043749
Looks like shit.

>>8042424
> Academi fuckers better pay me well!!!

>>8041502
>tfw choccy doom with a mouse
It really does feel incredibly similar to what I remember playing as a kid. All I need now is a shit tier gateway CRT and ball mouse

>>8043312
what a waste of oxygen

>>8041502
I really don't see what's "Nightmare" about playing D1 keyboard only on Chocolate. That's the way I like to play it because it's fucking comfy.
And vanilla maps don't have 10k Revenant clostets with Archvile alcoves.
That chart doesn't make any sense.

>>8043742
>>8043746
If you use zscript instead of voodoos, remember to update your wad every few months. Zscript breaks with every gzdoom upgrade. Most prominent zdoom mappers such as Bridgeburner, Tarnsman and Tango still use voodoo dolls because of this.

>>8041902
that's one pissed off martian

>>8043139
Quake 2 used a fixed list of resolutions (probably to limit it to 4:3 modes originally, or stop it from growing uncontrollably). Unless the port implemented getting the list from the system, you only see the options set in its code.
https://github.com/mczero80/KMQuake2/blob/master/qcommon/vid_modes.h
https://github.com/mczero80/KMQuake2/blob/master/qcommon/vid_resolutions.h

Fine manual says you can use custom width and height console variables, as expected. Check the homepage once in a while, too.

Bigger and more important question is whether Quake 2 and its mods have any assets for 4K resolution, and why one would want to ru(i)n it that way. Set the game resolution to 800×600 or 1024×768, configure video card driver to upscale smaller modes to native monitor resolutin, and here's your HD experience at the time without any monitor mode switches.

>>8043771
kek

>>8043802
Why would you use voodoo dolls for ZScript stuff and not ACS?
Also, it does *not* break with every update, stop parrotting that shit you hear here.

>>8043312
Internet is serious business, mmkay?

>>8043749
I like the limbs that sometimes twitches shortly after being gibbed.

>>8043792
>And vanilla maps don't have 10k Revenant clostets with Archvile alcoves.
You haven't played many vanilla maps, have you?

>>8043863
What are some maps like that, anyway?

>>8043685
Hot

>>8043737
You can still use VooDoo doll actions in a ZDoom map, they'll work the same. You can even spice things up a bit by making the conveyor track a ramp so that the VooDoo doll is flung over a pit of fire, just to dab on ACS users.

I'm trying to run Doom 4 Vanilla using ZDL and Crispy Doom.
D4V comes prepackaged with some source ports and WADs, which I'm not a fan of, but launching the included Crispy with the provided batch file works perfectly, even adding the alternative weapon .deh files.
On the other hand, when I try to load D4V.wad, D4V.deh and any of the extra weapons through my standalone Crispy install, it doesn't work, even if I use the same command line arguments. Any clues as to why that might be?

>>8043941
Load order maybe? using -nodeh?

>>8043950
Just to check, since apparently that fixed it:
Is ZDL's load order bottom to top? The following worked, while having the WAD on top didn't.
>[weapon].deh
>D4V.deh
>D4V.wad

>>8043950
>>8043964
Nevermind it's even more glitched.
I'm testing using the pistol replacement, 2_MARKV.deh. The aforementioned load order swaps the pistol for it, but it can't fire. Adding "-nodeh -deh D4V.deh 2_MARKV.deh" allows it to fire but it causes all sorts of weird glitches.
For reference, the batch file has the following:
>ports\crispy-doom -iwad doom2.wad -file D4V.WAD -nodeh -deh D4V.deh 2_MARKV.deh

>>8043941
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-v32/
Open the spoiler under “Download” and read the text around the line
> To play other PWADs (or using other ports), I recommended using this command line:

>>8043965
I suppose that all stuff you load with that mod should be compatible with it.

>>8043970
It's what I'm doing
>>8043973
I'm using plain Doom II to test it.
Standalone Crispy through ZDL to the left, packaged Crispy through batch to the right. Should be loading the same files with the same commands.

>>8043985
>deleted everything in the port folder and replaced it with my Crispy install
>deleted all files in the D4V_v3.2.1 folder except the batch, the weapond DEHs, the D4V WAD and DEH, and the Doom II WAD
>it works properly
>ZDL doesn't make it work
I have no clue why this is refusing to work

>>8043985
Oh, I thought you were trying to load some third-party weapon modification.

See the process command line in Task Manager (enable the command line column) or Process Explorer (see the properties dialog) to check that it is actually run with the same parameters. Also check the current working directory for them, too. Maybe ZDL can't parse the "-deh a b c" and does something to the parameters silently, try "-deh a -deh b -deh c"

Is non-derivative 2021 game a retro shooter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uJhTZQ5X7w

Finally beat this bitch of a stage.

>>8043998
It does seem to work, or at least by default it has the following arguments:
>"[filepath]\crispy-doom.exe" -iwad [filepath]\DOOM2.WAD -file [filepath]\D4V.WAD -deh [filepath]\D4V.deh -deh [filepath]\2_MARKV.deh
If I add arguments through ZDL, it appends them after that. I suppose I could try only putting D4V.WAD on the load order and set the DEH files with their path as an argument after -nodeh.

I hope discussing Brutal Doom and Project Brutality isn't considered sacrilege here. I heard someone over at /v/ saying that BD is very close in gameplay to Blood. I like Blood and have always disregarded Brutal Doom for obvious reasons, but now I'm interested. Any input on whether Brutal Doom or Project Brutality is any good or similar to the gameplay of Blood? Thanks.

>>8043998
>>8044014
What would you know, that actually worked. Thanks for the headsup.
Complete jank but eh, it's something. It'd be nifty if you could just introduce -nodeh between load order entries.

I've recently discovered you can speed up or slow down the game in prboom+ - i only sped it up so far to test my voodoo scripts if they get jammed - but you can slow it down and it feels like you are Neo from the matrix or some shit, you guys should try it

>>8043312
What a fucking attention whore, autistic people should stop using the internet.

>>8044043
4chan will be dead then.

>>8044043
As an autistic, I agree

>>8041463
Got Hexen 2, what do I run it on?
Also, been playing some Blood again with friends, got to say the dynamite might be one of my favorite weapons, it just feels right.

>>8044017
try it yourself and form your own opinion

>>8043997
Just make a regular shortcut. If you're not using a million different mods and regularly play over 9000 different wads simultaneously I don't see any point in using ZDL in the first place, anyway.

People actually attempt clusterfuck + maps like Chillax.

How is that even possible?

>>8044063
I just might, thanks Anon.

>>8044043
As an attentionwhore, I couldn't agree more.

>>8044089
Absolute mad men among mad men
https://youtu.be/dXUMv8WAUM8?t=855

>>8043871
Hell Revealed 2

>>8044110
"Vanilla"

what was the quake source port that john romero really liked? quakespasm?

>>8044112
HR2 is a vanilla wad

>>8043161
I do blind saveless UV max and it's not too bad on mega wads that are about equal difficulty as the vanilla iwads. I end up taking more time than I like per map just because I have to play cautiously, though. I don't know. It's kind of fun.

>>8044106
>sounds like a video recorded in the late 2000s/early 2010s due to the mic quality and the sound of his parents or roommate watching Family Feud in the background
>made in 2018 despite all that
unironically charming as fuck

>>8044106
Did that thing just teleport and OHKO him?

>>8043565
based

>>8043073
as a footfag myself, that looks fucking gross.

How hard is Ancient Aliens on HMP compared to Plutonia?

>>8044130
It's not a problem when the wads are like the iwads. It more becomes a problem when someone tries to do it with virtually every pwad they find, as many of them can be a lot harder and longer than the iwads, which can lead to unnecessary frustration. In the case of stuff like most ribbiks wads, you often need to practice before being able to reliably do a saveless run.

>>8043073
NO
THIS IS NOT NICE
I DON'T LIKE THIS

>>8044147
Same. Footfags without standards give us all a bad name.

>>8043749
Out of all GZDoom games shown recently, Brutal Fate and Supplice are the only ones I would probably buy.

>>8044156
Double this up when the person is playing with gameplay mods that make certain encounters harder than they were intended.

>>8042841
This is like the opposite of "Warhammer 40K marines murder ponies" but also reminds me of early PS2 gen games where cartoony characters tried to be cool and edgy but were still either self-aware, comical or limited by being T rated, while also not being as blatantly as fetish fuel as this

>>8042267
I did not think that I would be seeing Latisonas again anytime soon.

I just played a wad called Three's a Crowd and I fucking hate it. I shall now play Running Late 2 instead.

>>8044283
What's Doom guy's canonical age?

>>8044309
That's on a need-to-know basis and you don't need to know.

>>8043792
The chart is not about difficulty

>>8044353
>The chart is not about difficulty
But what is it about?

>>8044369
an iceburg obviously

>>8043073
>some pioneering soul has brought us half-bare first person feet in doom
>unfortunately it's some kind of furfag who can't draw appealing toe proportions

We came so close to the promised land.

>>8044421
i think a version of project brutality also had it

Just forced my way through the rest of Epic2. I don't even know what the wad was doing wrong particularly but I was bored throughout 80%. Doesn't help that I'm pretty burnt out I think, gonna take a break for a couple of months again probably and play some Splitgate.

>>8044421
it's certainly lifted from another mod, project brutality and an offshoot of guncaster both have it

>>8044458
try 2048 units of /vr/ too

Finally got a chance to try xbla doom again. I was right, it controls leagues better than the recent unity port on controller. Don't want to make any promises, but I'd love to support xbla controls for FDWL.

>>8044458
>Touhou doom

>>8044019
It's always the problem with launchers. There is no standard for parsing command line arguments, and they try to hide them from the supposedly casual user, but consequently casual user have to learn/guess how argument parsing and (re)construction works in the specific launcher itself. According to the code, the order is always the same (iwad, skill, warp, pwad, deh, etc.), and the additional parameters always come last. There is no template to edit and insert other options or change their order.

(Also, ZDL uses INI-based string-based key-name-format-based serialized format as working data structure.)

Oh, and there is ZDL — Actions — Show command line.

>>8044615
I live ZDL as a way to quickly select wads or sourceports and set launch parameters. I think doom launcher is overkill though

>>8044615
Opinions on RocketLauncher?
I like it plenty bc it's lightweight and simple

That's something a decent system shell should be able to provide.

>>8042231
>its time for me to live up to my family name and face full life consequences!

>download >>8042841
>have with nothing better to do
>load up wad
>hear footsteps that sound like someone jacking off
>look down
>see feet
>immediately uninstall

>>8041463
What are some fun community project megawads, from /vr/ or elsewhere?

>>8044661
HFFM

>>8044661
HFFM
2048 Units of /vr/
Doom in Spain Only
JPCP
Antaresian Reliquary
1080 Minutes Pour Vivre

>>8044640
What's the point in my abstract opinion? It's a similar quick and simple tool to choose additional files based on their extensions, there is no editing of generated command line either. If something advanced is required, you copy the result an fix it manually.

>>8044661
Nova I-III, Whitemare 1 & 2, DBP1-39, Isolation, PRCP 1 & 2, JPCP, 100/200/300 Minutes of /vr/, the Joy of Mapping 1-6, DUMP 1-3, MAYhem 2012-2020, 1000 Lines, 1994 Tune-Up, Doom -1

>>8044605
>>8044458
Turn off the fucking dialogue.

>>8044679
There's a lot more problems than dialogue anon.

What do we think of Build engine games?

My opinion is, out of the ones I've played, is:

Blood > Shadow Warrior = Duke > Powerslave > Redneck Rampage

I want to like Powerslave, but after defeating Set, the game gets pretty tiresome with the formula:

>the maps give plenty of ammo
>the M60 is guaranteed to put all enemies in a pain state so they can't retaliate
>the pickups are only used for sections where they place one in your path right before you have to use it, otherwise you don't need to use them/you're just holding on to them
>underwater sections have annoying fish you can ignore, or slowly and painfully kill them with the machete just for adding to the Kills tally

The sound effects, music, and visual design is cool otherwise, but I'm bored after defeating Set. From what I understand, however, is that everyone's primarily played the console versions (that use the Slavedriver engine)? The recent "remaster" announcement had me pick up Powerslave, but the original PC version is a Build engine game. Is the Slavedriver version of the game a significantly different experience?

>>8044681
Like what?

>>8044661
Doomer Board stuff is generally top notch. Outside of one shitpost map, AUGER;ZENITH is some good stuff.

Mansion and Club Doom should be canon.

>>8043759
I used that sound font in dsda doom.

I followed some directions. Which was to set one of the sound parameters to 48000 and change the sound font from some sound font with a random string of characters to the sound font name
Along with placing the sc55 in there. I think I did it desu cause before it sounded all tiny and weird. Now it sounds good

>>8044450
It looks fucking hysterical.

>>8044686
Ones the wolfenstein dbp one they made ?? Someone posted a level here with its name. It was made by them. Had like a green tech base with swastikas on it.

>>8044685
Really basic and shit rooms copy and pasted filled with piles of traditional Doom enemies without much thought put into it, so you're just left chewing through hoards of demons in a really boring way.
Fighting the Touhou bosses isn't much better, the bullet patterns are impressive until you realize trying to dodge bullet hell shit is miserable in a first person perspective, even moreso when Doom's movement has some slight inertia to them, so even small adjustments make you glide in that direction a little, so you're going to eat shit for that.

>>8044710
What's the wolfenstein one?"""

>>8044696
who says they aren't?

>>8044683
>the M60 is guaranteed to put all enemies in a pain state so they can't retaliate
It doesn't work on locusts, is suboptimal for the jaguar women, and outright fucks you over on bees. It's a workhorse but no moreso than the SSG is in Doom 2.
>the pickups are only used for sections where they place one in your path right before you have to use it, otherwise you don't need to use them/you're just holding on to them
You should be using items regularly so that all the mana pickups don't go to waste.
>Is the Slavedriver version of the game a significantly different experience?
It is, but if those are your reasons for not liking PC Powerslave, the console version won't be doing anything to fix it. Hope you like shooting numerous types of vermin, getting all your health and ammo from random universal drops, and replaying the same levels several times over. One of them is even entirely underwater!

>>8044458
Epic 2 is basically Eternal Doom but done very competently. Unfortunately, Eternal Doom was never a .wad for everyone and there's lots of aspects of it which just will not appeal to most people.
Epic 2 makes it a lot more palatable, because it's very carefully put together, but it's still not for everyone.

>>8044715
>Really basic and shit rooms copy and pasted filled with piles of traditional Doom enemies without much thought put into it
I'm a banana and could enjoy worse.
>trying to dodge bullet hell shit is miserable in a first person perspective
True. That's why you're given automap with tracker each map, use it.
>Doom's movement has some slight inertia to them
There's a cvar for that, but after slippedy sliding for so long, it just feels real unnatural to turn it off.

>>8044725
>You should be using items regularly so that all the mana pickups don't go to waste.
I should, but I don't need to. I don't need to restore my health since it's in good shape, nor do I need to go invisible, become invincible, or mow everything down with enhanced weapons, because I've never felt that I needed any of the powers. It's cool and all, but the game's too easy even without using the powers. Is there not a difficulty level selection for this game? I'm playing on BuildGDX and I never saw one.
>the console version won't be doing anything to fix it
A shame. I'll still pick it up anyway just for curiosity sake.
>One of them is even entirely underwater!
Joy. So the levels are entirely different? They bare no resemblance to any of the Build version's levels?

>>8044710
i think DB21 is the mapset with the space nazis

>>8044725
Bees? Huh? I only remember locusts.

>>8041463
Sorry if this has been answered a bunch but - what complevel is HFFM? I couldn't find it in the TXT file.

>>8044708
he can walk like that all he wants, but he can't un-soil his underpants

>>8044747
Ah thanks. That's cool I remember it not being on idgames (probably searched wrong) but it was on mod db. Thanks

>>8044715
Let's not forget that you're probably intended to dodge on the automap, which would be completely idiotic because 1. your movement depends on what direction you're facing, which you have no way of telling in the automap. This get's extra fucky with freelook enabled 2. pic related
I cleared this kusoge on lunatic twice out of pure spite.

>>8044749
Fuck. What complevel IS HFFM? 9? It should be a normal Boom one.

>>8044749
-1 or 17, I suppose. There is nothing more recent.

>>8044780
I *think* it's 9 since that's the standard complevel for boom mapping, but there might be some MBF or other advanced fuckery going on.

>>8044779
Correction: You do have a way of telling what direction you're facing on the automap. It's still a bitch to move in though.
this mod blows kekekekekek

>>8044785
>>8044780
>>8044783
>we don't know
oh...........

>>8043367
getting caught up on details

>>8044806
I like anvils.

>>8044802
As much as I love the project, it was really horribly managed compared to past projects, especially the last two that came before it. Switching between 3 leads was really fucked up.

>>8044813
Excuse me what
I've been out of the loop, this sounds nuts

>>8044779
Works on my machine™.
Also try overlay map.

Is there some way to approximate a floor-lower-to-lowest-floor fast effect in vanilla? I'm thinking such a setup would involve a lift and some instant raise/lower trickery to prevent the lift from rising back up

>>8044748
How did you forget the bees? They're fucking enormous and sound like helicopters. Any time you shoot them they fly off in a random direction, making the M60 a bad choice compared to the revolver or cobra staff.

>>8044835
Well thats what I thought the locusts were. What are the locusts then?

>>8044669
>>8044676
Thank you, that'll be plenty of fun.

>>8044817
>NMN3Anon gets caught up in real life and the project is basically stillborn
>Somebody asks what's happening with it, gets caught up on it, suggests somebody else takes it up
>FullHomo comes in, picks up the pieces and gets it to a playable state and releases it
>There's still work to be done but he already fucked off
>DR FUCKHEAD takes over as lead and is still updating it
Yep.
>>8044820
the fuck

>>8044840
The locusts are those bipedal bug fucks with a rapid projectile attack, one of the most dangerous enemies in the game. You usually end up trading with them if you use the M60 because they can shoot back in the time between their pain state and your next shot.

>>8044749
I don't believe there's anything in it demanding it to be anything other than 9
In either case I don't think there's any why going for a higher number is undesirable, beside some infighting changes. Most would probably play in default anyway.

>>8044857
Oh, the aliens. Didnt know they were called locusts. Yeah, I tended to use the cobra staff and grenades on them.

>>8044846
Automap options -> show things as sprites.
Rotated is probably best for this scenario.

>>8044779
>combined arms

>>8044867
I was wondering about that myself.

>>8044832
I think lift will remember where it was before it was called down.

>>8044863
They look like locusts to me and the other ayylmaos are also bug fucks, so I call.them locusts. No idea if that's their proper name or not. But it is fitting for what murderous bastards they are.

>>8044458
>pirate doom
AHOY MATEY SHIVER ME TIMBERS

Lol someone finally recognized my license plate today. I got IDDQD as the plate. Was it one of you

>found working doomrpg mod fork
>doomrla+monsters available
>obsidian map generator done
>shitwawe jukebox loaded
yes, time for videogames

>>8044865
This has its own set of issues and I think i'd rather play actual touhou instead, but thanks anyway.
>>8044867
There was no way I was gonna load this kusoge megawad again without something to water it down.

>>8044862
>play in default
>play in MBF
>with the fucked up infighting in both
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
this hurts me

>>8044725
I actually really enjoyed that underwater level. All of the levels are well-designed.

>>8041463
Is the lopsided shotgun the big reason as to why Decino will not dive into DOOM3 anytime soon? The fact that its dark in a whole lot of areas is a better reason, that and the BFG vs standard edition debate.

>>8044978
idk personally id say it's because the fight design is just different compared to the classics, less speed, lower enemy counts, tight areas and no intricate mechanics like infighting

>>8042231
>ZDoom still has less good wads and levels
90% of all popular 2000s wads were zdoom.

>>8044978
i feel like it's a lot more than that
doom 3 has the weakest enemy beastiary because most of them have similar, unintresting melee roles and barely have any unique or gimmicky attacks
almost every doom game has more than enough memorable enemies but not doom 3 in terms of gameplay
you can say something about some enemies looking cool but it's how they function in the game that hurts them

>>8045003
Popular doesn't always mean good, and this doesn't just apply to zdoom maps.

>>8044683
Duke is at the top for me because imo its level design is much better than others. I also like Shadow Warrior more than most people because I like melee and SW is basically the only retro fps with satisfying melee weapon
Like all of them in general even RR

>>8044458
no enough iwads

>>8045016
yeah but the current wave of purist + gameplay mods doesn't actually remove the fact that the modern community started with zdoom.

>>8045051
>the modern community started with zdoom
no it's not?

the community was already a thing with boom, dehacked and megawads

>>8045048
I just started playing doom in january give me a sec

>>8045056
"modern" community.

>>8045056
Many big names of last decade started with zdoom wads on 00s such as Skillsaw, Esselfortium, Xaser.

>>8045070
Define "modern" genius. Boom and dehacked was modern at the time.

>>8045076
Wrong. They all started doing boom, vanilla or limit removing maps.

>>8045056
You need to read the doom modding history essay, friend. The community had a second growth spurt on the mid 2000s thanks to zdoom multiplying the number of things you could do with wads. Or check the cacowards from 2003 to 2009ish.

Most of it didn't stick, with good reason, but without that growth spurt you wouldn't have had the modern appreciation for retro-compatible wads or gameplay wads (arguably mostly due to brutal doom)

>>8045089
Aren't we getting sidetracked here? Wasn't the original topic that the amount of zdoom good zdoom maps hasn't exceeded the good boom/vanilla map count?

>>8044661
Back To Saturn X series
Doom The Way id Did series
Plutonia Revisited Community Project
TNT Revilution
Mutiny

Doomworld just banned the doomer boards wads

what are the implications?

lol zdoomtards are completely delusional

zdoom\gzdoom megawads never had any value on the community

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123980-doomer-boards-projects-will-no-longer-be-permitted-on-the-forums/

>>8045097
inb4 /vr/ is next

>>8045097
>>8045101
What the fuck?

>>8045092
Yes, I was there. And that was considered the dark age of modding. No one remembers the early-zdoom times as a good thing. It was essentially the "needs more detail" era that ended with the KDiZD fiasco

>>8045097
>>8045101
> expect it to be something bad
> literally just advertising the doomer board website
Embarrassing.

>>8045101
Fags

>>8045093
boom\vanilla maps are better, yeah

>>8045098
>zdoomtards
how old are you? I find fighting over ports amusing.

I remember being like 14 and being fascinated by the numbers of zdoom wads and also remember most of them sucking (or flat out never finished). Doesn't mean I couldn't wrangle plenty of fun from them. These days numbers are more balanced but the sheer amount of gzdoom gameplay wads are still impressive.

>megawads
You seem to believe megawads are more important than other forms of modding.

>>8045109
ngl they have some soul to them.

>>8045114
but is the "everyone there is banned from here" claim real?

will people start getting banned if they say they post in both forums?

q: when should I use prboom+ if I use both choccy doom and *zdoom?

>>8045126
I post everywhere because I like all three communities.

>>8045126
Everyone isn't banned, it's just that some contributors to the wads are.

GZDoom users: I enjoy all kinds of mods and maps because I like fun
Boom autists: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP HAVING FUN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I hate you so, so much. This is worse than the brits constant seething about germans. Just stop it. Why are you doing this? Did the chicken personally come to your house and rape your face? All the hurr durr mapping format bullshit is ALWAYS instigated by Boom autists. Then some clueless newfag tries do defend ZDoom or be diplomatic and then the REEEEEing starts. Why are you so obsessed? I just don't get it.
We're all in the same boat. Just let people enjoy things, they let you enjoy yours too. We are beyond the br00tal kiddie era, just let it be.

>>8045101
>b-but... give us a cacoward first!

>>8045126
>You seem to believe megawads are more important than other forms of modding.
They are. We can live without gameplay mods. But without maps the community would not exist.

Doomerboards should just do their own cacoawards. Fuck Doom World.

>>8045130
maps with a trillion monsters

>>8045136
nono this is about community history, gzdoom was very niche back then. this is the 3dfloor/particle fountain/ripping assets from duke to make bosses zdoom era

>Did the chicken personally come to your house and rape your face?
gzdoom players are more likely to say yes than anyone else kek

>>8045136
Take your pills schizo.

>>8045145
This fuck doomworld.

>>8045142
>We can live without gameplay mods
i'd wager at least half the people here wouldn't have bothered with the game if not for gameplay mods

>>8045142
>We can live without gameplay mods.
fairly certain that the wads with far most views on youtube and elsewhere are all gameplay mods

> doom kid posts on doomer boards

>>8045159
>doom man posts on the idgames comments section

>>8045157
Just a minority. Most people like Doom because it's Doom or they would be playing another game.

>>8045101
I don't know much about doom, but everything I've learned about this doomworld place in the last week or so makes it sound like an autistic shithole run by powertripping faggots. Hopefully that doomer board outgrows them one day.

>>8045102
It's hard for them to do that. DB can easily be covered under a blanket term that considers them unwelcome, since they have a consistent userbase, set of ideals, and the fact their founding principle is hatred of DW (Their founder has said this.) /vr/ doesn't have a founding principle other than "We're on 4chan and we all like doom, let's talk about it here." We also have way more people (120 posters per thread) with varying ideals so they can't simply classify the entire thread as belonging to one political ideal that they would consider unwelcome to DW.

Schizophrenic rambling aside, we have a good history with them. We've won lots of cacowards. I don't think they're gonna be banning this place any time soon.

tl;dr I suck dicks, like 60 billion of them AYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>8045097
>We'll ban wads from our forum because they contain links to another forum
What a time to be alive.

>>8045158
Youtube is full of kiddos.

>>8045171
That's basically what it is in a nut shell.

don't let this distract you from the fact that there has been no progress on samson.

Doom World has a great community. It's their moderation team that have been power tripping lately. They're literally creating controversy out of nothing.

>>8045169
I'd say people like doom because sprites are nice to look at.

>>8045176
the largest vidya demograpihc.

>>8045171
I only go to topics about wad making and they seem mostly normal.
I guess it's the moderation crew that's the problem.

>>8045145
It's good idea. I'm quite a centrist on this case, but having multiple wad awards would be good idea, so the opinions don't just come from one side. Maybe they shouldn't vote dbps though, or the awards would be just a catalog of year's dbps. If we could get it work, /vr/'s own awards would also be great. /vr/ is more of neutral ground between dw and db, so we could vote best of both worlds.

>>8045184
the dumbest vidya demographic