/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8026804
They're both nice

>>8026804
/vr/'s official 4th gen Castlevania tierlist

God Tier:
X68000

High Tier:
Bloodlines

Mid Tier:
Rondo of Blood

Low Tier:
Dracula X

Shit Tier:
Castlevania 4

>>8026804
IV
Sega got the better Contra, Rocket Knight, and Tiny Toons.
Nintendo got superior Castlevania and Turtles

Rondo of Blood>SCVIV>Bloodlines and fuck you for making me pick, they are all excellent

>>8026826
>X over 4

Opinion discarded

>>8026804
Both are dogshit. Series died after CV3

Bloodlines by far

>>8026903
>>X over 4
>Opinion discarded
Filtered, lol

>>8026804
i like both games. but i appreciate blood lines more for the guy with the staff weapon
>eric??
i don't remember his name but it slightly bucks the trend of the "whip" in favor of a few new moves, higher jumping etc.

so i'll give a slight edge to bloodlines but like both games.

God Tier:
>Dracula X

High Tier
>X68k
>Bloodlines

Mid Tier
>Rondo

Bad Tier:
>IV

4.
Bloodlines doesn't feel right.

Mechanically? Bloodlines. Atmosphere-wise, SCV4. Bloodlines barely feels like a Castlevania game since you're just going on a wacky spooky world tour most of the time. The final part of the Pisa level is amazing though.

The comparison Australia doesn't want you to see.

>>8027034

>>8027039

>>8027034
>>8027039
Castlevania has never been and never will be a platformer.

Also the one with the most straight lines is Rondo.

>>8027045
Is that some fresh cope I smell?

Nothing in Bloodlines is as bad as having to wait over a minute doing nothing for a tech demo to finish like IV's rotating room.

>>8027115
You sure about that?

>>8027115
You don't know how many times I jumped in that opening at 0:20 expecting it to be the way out. No idea why the fuck it's even there.

>>8027126
That boss would take a fraction of that time if you weren't a shitter and had the blue flame whip.

>>8027154
It's a massive pushover either way, like all the bosses in Bloodlines.

>>8027161
they're 100x better than any of iv's braindead bosses

>b-b-but muh slogra with easy telegraphed attacks
lmao nintendo players

>>8027172
>d-doesn't count!
lol cope.

>>8027203
>taking damage on Slogra
Sad. No wonder you prefer 4, the easier game, to Chadlines, for hardened Sega vets.

>>8027007
MJ would be proud

>>8027227
If you think Bloodlines is in any way a hard game I guarantee your gameplay is significantly worse.

>>8027227
>any Castlevania
>hard
BWAHAHAHAHA. Back to your Smegma Men kiddo

rondo of blood sucks

>>8027238
>If you think Bloodlines is in any way a hard game
Compared to IV? Definitely.

>>8027239
Post your Bloodlines Expert mode playthru, champ.

>>8027284
You're right. Rondo has based Maria so at least one thing in it certainly sucks.

Here's the fixed version of the game mentioned in OP's pic: https://files.catbox.moe/dc6593.bin

Also, reminder that Kurt Kalata of HG101 is a cowardly, violent tranny and full of hubris.

>>8027334
rondo fans are disgusting pedos

>>8026826
The modern narrative of 4 being bad in anyways is dog shit. Also, x6800 as God tier? Get fucking real.

>>8027352
You may add the three or four CV64 fans to that list

>>8027336
Speak the truth about Kurt, dude is truly an asshole

>>8027365
fuck off you shit eating degenerate

>>8027383
ywnbaw

Best level designs of the 16-bit era goes to X68000 / Chronicles

Best music and sound design of the 16-bit era goes to Bloodlines

Best enemy / boss designs of the 16-bit era goes to Rondo of Blood

Best gameplay of the 16-bit era goes to Bloodlines

Best aesthetics and presentation of the 16-bit era goes to Rondo of Blood

Best replay value of the 16-bit era goes to Rondo of Blood

Overall winner: RONDO OF BLOOD

>>8026826
>Shit Tier:
>Castlevania 4
absolutely ignored. 4 was awesome, 4 being bad is a shit take from retarded zoomer faggots

>>8026804
Bloodlines for sure, I find IV looks too muddy and samey and Simon takes up too much of the screen

>>8026804
Personally I think bloodlines is way more fun and has a much better soundtrack

>>8028029
By Castlevania standards, it is. The whip lets you snipe shit from under platforms everywhere, which is easily the game's biggest flaw and then you have very few enemies per screen at a time, just compare 4's level 1 to level 1 of the first game and it's downright sad.

>>8026804
Bloodlines is even easier than IV and people complain all the time that IV is too easy.
As for which I think is better, Bloodlines has a very particular design and feel that none of the other Castlevanias have. It's unique and full of personality. However, the same could be said for IV, and I think IV is more entertaining as a fun sendup to the games that came before it. It acts more as a Super Nintendo tech demo than it does the Castlevanias people were used to at the time, but again, the same thing could be said of what Bloodlines did with the Genesis hardware.
They're both good games, you should play them both, and any shitheaded retard that tells you otherwise doesn't actually like or play video games, and his opinion should be immediately discarded.

>>8026804
4, but they're both god tier classics

>>8026826
how to tell people you're a contrarian faggot without saying you're a contrarian faggot

>>8028425
I post on 4chan

Bloodlines, but I'm not a bandwagon fag and still like 4.

>>8026804
I like Bloodlines better. It feels more like a traditional Castlevania game to me.

It's kinda weird that there were only ever two Castlevania games ever released on Sega consoles, and one of them was a rushed, shitty port.

>>8027039
this level was so fucking dogshit

>>8027039
But it's OK when Nintendo does it, right?

>>8027336
Fuck that faggot, HG101 and fuck resetera, they can all eat a dick.
Tom and his translators did not deserve to be shit on over a damn accurately translated slur. I'm glad they're doing good now after what they gone through.

>>8028538
Don't forget the Dreamcast one, which could've ended up being the best 3Dvania, but we'll never know...

>>8028538
I'm sad the 32X one got cancelled. It sounded really cool

>>8027126
>suck at the game
>look!!! the game is a slog and boring!! I can even time it to prove it!!

the only thing you're proving is how long it takes for you to get good

>>8028705
>fight still takes over a minute when playing as the easy mode character and powered up
lol

>>8027383
what was this

>>8028719
Which is half of what that other video is trying to make it look like

>easy mode character
Lecarde does less damage.

also the whole point of the fight is that it's a puzzle/endurance fight, inside a level full of different kind of bosses

>>8028724
How in the fuck is that a puzzle?

>>8027397
>Rondo of Blood
>Doesn't post RoB Richter
Pathetic
>>8027365
There's 4 of us?

>>8026804
Both kinda equal out, where one game has 2 characters to choose from that play differently from abilities e.g super jumping vs whip swinging, to effectiveness of sub-weapons, and both have access to different routes, while the other game has an interesting mechanic where you can use the whip as a shield against projectiles, ability to change direction in mid-air as Grant did back in CV3 - albeit to a lesser extent, and being able to whip in multiple directions. All cool new features, though it seems they didn't build the levels around those features which is kinda a let down, and some enemies just exist as a non-threatening obstacle. SCV4's Second playthrough is much better. I still lean towards Bloodlines though since I'm not a fan of the atmospheric take on the soundtrack/artstyle & level design, and Simon being this huge dude.

>>8026826
>4th gen
>god tier
None of the games in 4th gen are god tier, although most are high-tier and have their ups and downs.

>>8026804
They're both good. I prefer 4 because of 8 directional whipping and aesthetics.

>>8026903
lmao you literally listed them in order or easy as fuck to harder, enough said.

>>8026826
The PC castlevania game is definitely one of the better 16bitvanias, I can see why people would choose a PC over a console for games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_XYVcUsbHc

Castlevania IV has better controls but it kinda drags on in the middle.
Bloodlines has better music and it's generally more dense, but the final stage is kinda underwhelming compared to what was in IV.
Chronicles/X68000 has a great soundtrack, and it's own unique spin on the control scheme.
I think that Chronicles had more varied level design than IV & Bloodlines, but half of the bosses were kinda lame (especially Dracula).
Rondo of Bloods level design is just as good as the one from Chronicles, but the player movement speed is pretty slow (even compared to IV).
I still think that Rondo has the better boss roster out of the bunch, but i still gravitate towards Chronicles because it manged to achieve the right balance between the player movement momentum and the enemy density.
It also had the spookiest background design out of them all.

Does anyone else here think that 4's whip swinging mechanics were kinda weird
Those were pretty much the only deaths I had when playing that game

>>8029009
>I think that Chronicles had more varied level design than IV & Bloodlines, but half of the bosses were kinda lame (especially Dracula).

That's because you played the shitty PSX port rather than the original version. Enemy AI is all fucked in that version, against the Doppelganger you can just stand in the middle of the room and spam the whip, try that in the original and you're going to get fucked quickly.

>>8027397
>Bloodlines
>Best sound design

Not with those ear grating sound effects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYkmv8F37TY

>>8029120
its not shitty, fuckface

>>8029009
>Castlevania IV has better controls
>controls that are more fluid and user friendly are automatically better
you need to get over a basic fallacy like this before you can expect to do any serious gamer analysis.

>>8029246
>serious gamer analysis
pfffftHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you fucking LOSER

In every castlevania thread I'm compelled to say how both n64 castlemania games are good and it wasn't till the agvn episode that people started shitting on it

>>8029246
this. Castlevania is meant to have limited controls. If it plays like Super Mario then what's the point.

>>8026804
Why don't you play them and form your own opinion?

>>8029262
Lol let's hope he doesn't claim he is one to real people

>>8029656
the whole Australia-kun meme about "super castlevania bros" falls down completely when you realize that no other CV game really controls like CV1 except for CVIII (with Trevor only).
IV has mid-air control and diagonal whipping in 8 directions.
Rondo has mid-air control, backflip, can jump on stairs, removed the numeral ranks, added the super OP bible subweapon and item crashes
Bloodlines lets you change the facing direction in mid-air, something you couldn't do on CV1, has diagonal up whipping, lets you jump on stairs.
If you REALLY want to go the purist route, then you only play CV1 and nothing else. But nobody who likes video games does that.

>>8029668
bro, you used serious and GAYmer in the same sentence, that's sad. do you think playing video GAYmes is serious business lmao

>>8029736
You forgot based Haunted Castle which has the same controls as 1&3.

>>8029738
Wasn't me "bro" it was the other nerd 2 replies ago

>>8029246
I can see the reasoning behind your point, but I cannot fully agree.
Controls that are more fluid aren't necessarily the result of an effort to broaden the audience, but an natural adjustment of the older controls to the new difficulty.
Truth to be told, you are correct since Castlevania IV isn't very hard... but there are enemy movement patterns which were built around the new control scheme.
The later Mega-Man X games do a great showcase of how a broader control scheme can be used along with a new scale of challenge which might not be compatible with the older simpler controls of the classic series.
That's why I love Chronicles, as it gave the player more means of expression based around the old basis without ruining the difficulty.

>>8029861
>but there are enemy movement patterns which were built around the new control scheme.
This. People often parrot the whole "the enemies are not adjusted for the diagonal whipping" and that's complete horseshit. IV is full of enemies that attack you in diagonal patterns. Even more so in the 2nd loop.

their both great but bloodlines is plagued with cheap looking visuals/color schemes and the genesis soundchip does no favors.

>>8030819
agree

>>8026826
God Tier:
Bloodlines, Rondo, CV4

High Tier:
X68000

Mid-High Tier:
Dracula X

>>8026804
Why have the trannies not added this ROM yet?

>>8032243
can you fucking moron please...
1.) stay in /emugen/, and
2.) learn how to search the no-intro database?

>>8032481
I was just larping, sorry. I don't think he leaves emugen.

>>8026804
I have never played 4 or bloodlines but since one is on Genesis I already know it runs smoother and probably has more shit going on and less censorship.

>>8028653
> RELEASED

Learn to read you fucking tard.

>>8034015
It was released, a beta version anyways.

>>8026826
good opinion
Castlevania 4 isn't a good castlevania game, but it's a good game

>>8026826
>God Tier:
>X68000
This is some snoy faggotry of the higest level
>Rondo mid tier
Kill yourself.

>>8026804
rondo>bloodlines>IV>X

>>8034126
>This is some snoy faggotry of the higest level
Nah, the Chronicles port sucks compared to the original.

>>8028538
who needs Cuckstlevania when you have Chadster of Darkness

>>8026804
Bloodlines has the better art direction of the two.
>cleaner sharper pixel work
>more limited thought out palette
>player and enemy sprites are not stiff and blocky as in Super
>best Dracula sprites in the whole series (does not just lift up his cape and go static like most games, but has powerful posing and continuous cape flutter)
>better understanding of architectural forms
>Baroque sensibilities in the use of light and shadow (symbolizes the spiritual conflict)

Bloodlines was always shit.

Is this another Star Wars prequels shit, where no-taste zoomers just misinterpreted people roasting it?

>>8032025
yes

>>8036582
unfortunately not that great

>>8036582
Wow, great level design, Sega....

>>8026804
I haven't compared the two since SNES/Genesis shitflinging during school recess. Consolewar diatribe means nothing in the age of easy emulation.

Also, practically every Castlevania is worth playing.

>>8026804
Here's my tier list only with the ones I played

GodTier:
Bloodlines, Curse of the Moon 2
>It's an incredible Classicvania
High Tier:
IV, Rondo of Blood, Order of Ecclesia

Overrated Tier:
Castlevania NES, Symphony of the Night

Kino Tier:
Mirror of Fate 3DS

Bullshit Tier:
Dracula's Curse NES, Dracula X

>>8036812
Some art I agree is better on Bloodlines. The variety of environments, I feel, is better on C4.
Overall I much prefer C4 as a game.

>>8038518
Agreed. It baffles me how many seem to have not gotten past this aspect of their childhood yet.

Also most of Castlevania has just gotten better. Too bad about judgement...

Metroid.

>>8028986
PC did have the best 16bit Castlevania, but that's not it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfbfTM6SoPI

>>8039758
>PC did have the best 16bit Castlevania

As well as the best Castlevania rip-off.

>>8039168
>Dracula's Curse in bullshit tier
Based. Legend of Demon Castle is the real Castlevania 3. Only nostalgiatards are attached to the hastily janked-up version released in the west.

>>8026804
Personally I prefer Bloodlines' style, soundtrack and general feel better but IV is great too.
My list would be:
Rondo, X68K
CV3, Bloodlines, IV
ReBirth
Densetsu 2, CV1
Rest is kind of out there but I fairly enjoyed anything that's not Haunted Castle, even 64.
And yes GB Castlevania is great and I'll die on this hill.

>>8039732
because im not gonna own both a genesis and snescdude

>>8038518
>Also, practically every Castlevania is worth playing.
Honestly amazing, I thought it to be nostalgia but I recently played every game and I think only Haunted Castle isn't worth my time.

>>8041243
>>8039168
filtered

>>8029461
>that avgn episode
Why the fuck do people take this guy seriously? His shit is satire.

>>8044169
I dunno, I find him funny. The issues he brought up in the video ant a big deal

>>8026804
The one that wasn't tainted by Tr*shure.

super castlevania brothers IV sucks dick

>>8046467
it's really mental illness at this point. go see a specialist.

>>8047473
I agree, fixating on a specific user on an anonymous website is nothing short of a medical oddity.

>>8047480
fuck your smokescreen, mentally ill cunt

>>8047484
Reddit is more speed, there are usernames and you can actually see other's post history to attack them over inconsequential bullshit there.

>>8047493
fuck reddit and fuck you schizocunt

>>8047524
Keep seething over your boogeyman, just a bit more and it'll be an entire decade.

>>8047542
you are mentally ill.