/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 2.0 >>8003328
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfun

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8003105

VRSKINS 3.9 (delayed): >>7967424
Submissions closed, voting TBA

=== NEWS ===
[8-12] DOOM Retro updated to 4.2

[8-11] Anon releases a map, BigDill.wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123839-bigdillwad-a-tricky-tech-base-two-streets-south-of-hell/

[8-10] Crispy Doom updated to 5.10.2

[8-10] Action Doom 2: Urban Brawl Reloaded released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123821-action-doom-2-urban-brawl-reloaded/

[8-09] Xaser posted an MBF21 showcase mod
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123800-wip-vesper-mbf21-showcase-mod/

[8-09] DSDA-Doom has reached v0.20.0 which adds beta support for Hexen.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2364887

[8-09] Skulltiverse is now on idgames
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/skulltiverse

[8-06] .md2 importing tool for Blender
https://twitter.com/JoshuaSkelly/status/1423672434331295748

[8-04] Summer Fun Anon releases a demo
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7wwd30oawggfm0/Summer_Fun-Demo.zip?dl=1

[8-04] Xim's gzDoom3 for Classic Doom released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72960

[8-03] DN3DooM has been updated.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67864

[8-01] DBP 38 is out
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2218/chronicles-ghost-town

[7-30] Vomitoreum released on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1549750/Vomitoreum/

[7-29] Grim Borough released (for chasm: The Rift)
https://www.moddb.com/games/chasm-the-rift/addons/grim-borough-for-chasm-the-rift

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I took my meds, I am playing with palettes, and the government is powerless to stop me! Though I got to say, those blue-tinted grays are tres bien, but they don't play nicely with browns. I think I'll try desaturating brown ranges a bit, but that's for later.

>>8025406
And a bit more representative look.
"B-but anon, that's just Eviternity and BTSX palettes mashed together!"

>>8025380

>>8025406
>>8025412
It looks beautiful. Where can one get it?

>>8025439
On my patreon, kofi and onlyfans, if you're a subscriber!
I'll upload it later, need to play a bit more with it.

>>8024421
>Anyone ever frequently get MegawadADD? I swear I get to map 15-20 or so on each run and then just take a break and never come back to it, and start a different one instead.
I don't know if I'm the only one or what, but I don't really like the feeling you get after getting through a massive, intricately detailed map with 1000 enemies that takes 2 hours to finish and then remember that there's still like 10 levels to go. It's tiring.

Damn, got in early on the Doom thread. Feels good mateys. Anyone got any insight on the Heresiarch in HeXen? I beat him easy enough by spamming quietus but could use some pointers.

>>8025453
Yeah, I could never see myself playing Sunder precisely because of its later levels each being 2+ hours long each with thousands of monsters.

>>8025462
one time an anon posted a lewd pic of milf heresiarch with stubbly pussy and I've been trying to find it for years to no avail

>>8025496
Not the insight I was looking for, jej.

>>8025445
>kofi
Kind of off-topic, but I've seen people like Kegan and Dwars using it and wondered if there's actually a point in getting Ko-fi page going in favor of PayPal.me or other shit?
>>8025462
>Anyone got any insight on the Heresiarch in HeXen?
A few Fléchette's from Parias mercilessly melts him.
Heresiarch would've been a better Serpent Rider than Korax and I wish they stuck to their original idea.

>>8025462
Well the major thing is that when the purple thingies are floating around him, he's invulnerable to any damage. Only exception being the Cleric's flechette.

>>8025453
>massive, intricately detailed map with 1000 enemies that takes 2 hours to finish and then remember that there's still like 10 levels to go
Lol, Alien Vendetta map20 and Eviternity Map19 are exactly like that.

What are some megawads that don't get hard or challenging? I want to sleep while playing doom, and none of the cacowards let me do this, because they're too hard and use tougher monsters too much :(

>>8025590
Perdition's Gate. It's comfy.

>>8025573
Not him, but neither of them take 2+ hours to complete (they're long, but you'd have to be playing like a snail if they actually take you more than 2 hours), and neither of them have thousands of monsters (AV map20 doesnt even have 500 monsters).

>what kind of idiot doesn't pistol start?
I agree with Angela Merkel here

>>8025604
You should only pistol start in a wad if the wad is good and designs itself for a pistol start.

>>8025634
Which is every wad ever given nobody places items or tests maps based on previous progress

>>8025639
No, there are episodic WADs.

Apparently some people take 2 hours on this map.

>>8025634
>and designs itself for a pistol start.
virtually every wad does this. Even if its not "the intended experience", i've hardly ever played a wad that didn't design the weapon placements with pistol starts in mind

>>8025683
Pistol starts are the outcome of player death and respawn mechanic. It makes sense to make the map playable (if harder) without forcing every player to save manually to keep any of their progress. If authors intend on the gameplay with accumulation of guns and ammo, they usually warn about it. There can also be challenges based on ammo conservation (death exit — regular map with supplies — boss arena, though in the era of limit removing engines you would probably put boss arena into the map) and story-oriented mods that assume that items and weapons collected once remain with the player forever.

>Its another archvile extravaganza wad
Fuck you.

>>8025712
>Pistol starts are the outcome of player death and respawn mechanic.
It's also the outcome is using the -warp parameter, and the idclev cheat

Hey I have a question
Does doom64 steam port/PC port are good? I just bought it

>>8025745
It's good, but there's lots of intros you'll want to skip

>>8025745 Oh thx

>>8025754 Ok kool

>>8025739
…which are not enforced or even expected to be known. However, when button is pressed after death, you get respawned, not taken to the main screen with mission selection and list of saves, as in other games.

>>8025765
>which are not enforced
Was that even supposed to be a factor? I mean, you technically aren't enforced to restart with pistol from death, either, as you can easily load a save. GZDoom even autosaves by default, and loads them when you press to restart, which has lead to some people not even knowing about pistol restarting.

>>8025253
Yeah, it's not like Actionguy goes there to set the place on fire, he's out to get information from Jerry, who then sics his goons on you, said goons happening to be a Village People tribute band in his gaybar. It's an absurd spectacle fight meant for levity, if he wanted to make it less iffy, just cut out the 'effeminate fag' and 'fagwagon' lines, and make it so the player can't draw his pistol or use knives during that fight, so it stays a bar brawl.

I respect Scuba's talent and body of work, a lot, but I think he's overcompensating because he feels judged.

>>8025745
Well yeah its by the same guy who did Doom 64 EX. Its a very good experience

>>8025386
Just a status update for Violent Rumble:
>deadline pushed back to OCTOBER 3RD per last poll results (thought ending on a sunday might be a good idea)
>I'm still pecking away on the start map and various requests, but I've had very little free time recently so next update may be a few days.
>Any information regarding a 'BAD BUILTIN' error would be appreciated (ogre marksman crashes game trying to use sine function on most engines, possibly related to CSQC)
>if you have music, custom models, or any other out of map assets you are using for your map I'd ask that you submit them as soon as possible so we can get things sorted out (btw, is rambler model anon still working on it?)
>The map I started at the beginning of the project, 'cthon_reloaded', probably won't be making the cut since I don't have any real vision for it (I might have at one point, but I don't remember). If someone really wants to finish it or copy something from it into their own map, go ahead. I still plan to submit a map of my own though.
>looking for a QC reference on determining whether or not the player is running diagonally (want to add diagonal running to the Doom modifier)

I think that's about it. Sorry it's not an actual update. The crudely corrected info pic related should be used for news posts now. Good luck with the mapping!

>>8025812
>sine function
Correction: tangent function

Also, thoughts on pic related as the start map teleporter design?

>>8025604
pistol start is a punishment for death
if you pistolstart map other than episode starter that means you are a scrub that failed to keep yourself alive

>>8025818
>he needs resources from other levels
>calling people scrub

>>8025821
>he failed at living
git gud scrub

>>8025604
>>8025639
>>8025821
We get it, you're hardcore.

>>8025825
I don't need resources from other levels because I'm not bad like you.
git gud scrub.
>>8025828
>Playing levels how it's intended is hardcore now

>>8025835
>Playing levels how it's intended

According to official Doom 2 manual, you are wrong

>>8025835
As someone who has read Doom's manual, and who also makes levels, I will tell you that playing continuously is intended. Yes, I balance for pistol start, of course, because the level must be beatable pistol start, and that may make continuous easier, but that also gives me license to make the level even harder to ensure that it's not too easy on continuous.

Continuous AND pistol start are intended, how you want to play is subjective but both are good. I like both.

>>8025835
I like to pistol start myself, but pistol start balance =/= intended way to play.

Not enough mods come with options to enable pistol starting when starting levels. DAKKA still does this the best with the options for continuous play, resetting everything, or resetting ammo.
Fuck, DAKKA's a good mod.

>>8025736
archvile hordes are a necessity in every wad

>>8025856
most modern mappers balance around pistol start

(what else could one possibly balance around?)

So I lost the entire palette and had to start from scratch, and now it kinda looks like that retarded filter Hollywood always applies when portraying Russia. Also I shifted reds toward orange instead of fuchsia - I kinda like it, fuchsia looked too tacky, but on the other hand maybe we do need tacky?

>>8025874
Maps are balanced around the pistol start, because it has to be possible on that difficulty. But the intended way to play is by accumulating weapons and ammo from earlier levels.

>>8025874
They balance not around pistol start, but theoretical possiility of one because a scrub died in the map
The increase in difficulty from pistolstarting is a punishment for death
Carry over is the intended way to play and results in intended difficulty curve and experience unless explicitly stated otherwise by the mapper

>>8025874
>>8025884
Maps are balanced around the pistol start because it's pretty much impossible to playtest them otherwise.

>>8025875
russia sushi mode
umayo.
urashiyo.

>>8025874
I balance for pistol start, but I also put in some amenities for continuous play, like adding some health by the exit if I know the player may have gotten really beat up, or putting in a hidden backpack or weapon to reward the player with something good and useful if he finds the secret, which isn't necessarily needed for the level at hand, but can be good for coming levels.

Okay, I found a better tint for grays, makes them less cold. Experimented around with flesh color, ended up tinting it orange too.

Do you think there was a conversation about the invisible pinkies leaving invisible corpses when they die? Like they're still all static like when they're dead. Do you think it was done on purpose or did they make an invisible enemy and it's parameters to make it invisible or whatever stuck around and they didn't really think about it.
Because it would be neat if they turned normal when they died, but also when they stay invisible like that it makes it more hectic when there's a couple of them and they're all coming at you, you can loose track of them easy when there's a corpse covering the bottom half of your screen.

>>8025934
Good. Corpses on an elevated ridge can also hide enemies and incoming fireballs from the view. That's advanced map making.

>>8025863
Anon there are several universal pistol start mods for GZDoom.

>>8025856
>>8025859
>>8025861
So if you die you're supposed to restart the episode? Fuck off lmao. Pistol starting is how men play.

Bind it to a damn button, son. There's your mod.

>>8025812
>looking for a QC reference on determining whether or not the player is running diagonally (want to add diagonal running to the Doom modifier)
Are you planning to disable strafe-running like the YPOD (doom TC) mod supposedly does?

>>8025951
The mental gymnastics on display here are almost olympic quality.
Who said you need to restart the episode? You do understand that dying triggers a pistol start, right? The very thing a manly man like yourself who isn't compensating for anything does anyway?

I like doing both continous and pistol start depending on how I'm feeling, but getting uppity over this sort of thing is beyong pathetic. It's Doom Eternal fanbase pathetic.

>>8025942
It is good. I just wonder if there was a sit down meeting about it. For some reason I like to think of things like that.
I hate to borrow fight club but not dissimilar to meetings like "Well, are enough people dying for us to recall this?" "No," "Ok, good, that's good for our checkbook. See you tomorrow, Tim."

>>8025962
>Who said you need to restart the episode?
It logically follows that if you're too bad to pistol start, you need your equipment from previous levels.
Unless you're so bad you actually use quicksaves, which is even worse.
If you aren't good enough the finish the level without savescumming or pistol start, just drop the difficulty. You have demonstrated you aren't good enough for that difficulty.

Reminder that this is 4chan and fags still think they can do epic raids and keep backing up their point while dismissing obvious counter-points.
The reaction is what they want. No engagement is what they're afraid of.

What this argument is exactly like is someone saying he never uses the powerups on the overworld of Mario 3 saying that a real man starts as small mario on each level because that's how logic flows.
Mario 3 can be beaten without collecting a single powerup, it can be beaten with all 3 bars full of P-wings.

Anons all over 4chan for the past decades have been shredding troll arguments apart but it doesn't matter. They don't hold those convictions. They just want to make things worse because they think it's fun.

>Artist sends me message saying he almost has my sprites done and will send them soon
>Still waiting a day later
HURRY UP I WANT TO SEE IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8025981
I'm convinced its a zoomer fresh from playing Eternal. The posting style and arguements are generally immature and they have an obsession with looking tough instead of having fun.
Or they're just trolling, idk.

the doomwiki page is a little confusing - so far only dsdadoom and woof support mbf21?

>>8025989
pay him and he's faster.

>>8025604
reminder that you haven't truly beaten the map until you found map author IRL and beat him over the head with original hardware

>>8025812
>is rambler model anon still working on it?
still on it, been swamped with other stuff. gonna try to clean it up before sunday
>whether or not the player is running diagonally
I think I remember people saying Malice had this, but I'm not sure.
I like the portal btw.

>>8025981
>>8026002
posts like this only make you look butthurt and btfo
take the L and move on

>>8025981
>>8026002
posts like this prove you're butthurt and btfo.
take the L and move on

>>8025981
>dismissing obvious counter-points
countering a counter-point isn't dismissing it you brain damaged dipshit. It speaks volumes you're unable to to substantiate anything you say.
>>8026002
lmao, I have no idea why you're so mad over eternal but it's hilarious. Rent free.

>>8026076
>Take the L
Ah, so I was right about you being a zoomer. Makes sense, really.
Now you run along and play Eternal or something, okay?

>>8026085
The only eternal player here is you.

>>8026008
Just check their Github pages for the 2021 activity.
— Eternity doesn't seem to have MBF21-related commits, and is busy with slopes. No other specific branches, too.
— Same with Odamex.
— PrBoom+um only got random fixes.
— Doom Retro had a lot of changes, but not in the core engine.

So there's support, but people wait for battle testing.

>>8026094
I want whatever is causing PrBoom+ to have slightly sticky controls fixed. Its a great source port, but even slightly slowed movement will fuck you over.

>>8026085
You literally shifted a decent discussion about pistol starts into some personal attack on you and had a cry when you got btfo. Just fuck off you aren't welcome here.

>>8025856

>>8024421
All the fucking time.
I keep meaning to play through BTSX but the samey techbase look bores me to tears by the 9th map. I've attempted the megawad four times now and I still can't push past it.
I have no clue how it won a Caco, its like Quake 2 in the Doom engine.

>>8026101
>personal attack
Where?
>crying
Where?
>acting like I'm the problem when you're the one getting furious over people not pistol starting
Is this thread getting raided or something?

>>8026098
Slightly cheating, but I opted to add a smart vsync option which disables vsync in video configurations where display tearing wouldn't happen regardless. Higher fps makes everything feel buttery smooth. It's also based on dsda so mbf21 is also rolled in.

https://github.com/CharlesLove/from-doom-with-love/releases/latest

>>8026115
For fucks sake, stop taking the bait. The faggot will get bored if you stop replying to it.

non-zdoom fags need to get the rope

>>8026115
>personal attack
>Where?
Here: >>8025962
>crying
>Where?
Here: >>8026002
>>acting like I'm the problem when you're the one getting furious over people not pistol starting
No, I said pistol starting is how levels where intended to be played. That's how they're tested and made. When I gave several arguments for this position you took it personal and started crying about doom eternal
You're brain damaged. There's no way you're not trolling.

And fuck you janny retard warning me when he's literally evading my responses and calling me a fag. See: >>8025981

>>8026117
Oh wow, thanks! I'll give that a try, is it a new port?

So what's worse, anti Half-Life alf shitposting or source port and pistol start wars?

>>8026141
Sort of. It's really just a fork of dsda I made to add pistol start. I've since just kind of done whatever I felt like to it like weapon sway and view bob separation and crosshairs that only show up on target.

it’s better than dosbox

>>8025445
>doom wads onlyfans
lmao

>>8026117
Can't the user just disable vsync in video configurations where display tearing won't happen?

>>8026136
I didn't take it personally at all, I said myself that I like pistol starting sometimes, you're the one being overly aggressive for no reason, and that tends to be a trait of zoomers into the newer games.
You gave no arguments, and are generally being an asshole for no reason now.

>>8026136
If you recieved a warning it was for a reason. Stop being a little bitch.

what is this hairstyle called?

>>8026157
They can. But I don't think many people realize software mode doesn't tear at all in most instances. Same for opengl in anything but exclusive fullscreen.

>>8026158
>It's how the maps are made and tested.
>resources from other levels aren't required.
>quick saving through a level means you're playing on a difficulty to hard for you
>if you die, you start pistol only, meaning it's entirely possible, otherwise you'd need to restart the episode over
You literally have no counter-argument to any of these positions and repeatedly shift the discussion into some meta-argument. You're a trolling retard, fuck off.

>>8025785
It's self-sabotage. Ego picking a fight with the younger, less repressed version of himself who can't fight back. You see this time and again with washed up creatives who "revisit" their past work.

>>8026152
spicy HFFM speedruns only for subscribers

>>8026162
Grizzly

>>8026162
I always thought it was cornrows or something. Guess not.

>>8026142
The HL shitposting is literally one guy eternally blown out over Half Life. The guy has a literal mental illness because his crusade has lasted for a decade.
The sourceport thing is more of a discussion. I still don't know the best one to use, unless its for mods in which case GZDoom is the better one.
The pistol start wars are retarded. Yes, its the most skillful way to play the game, but some autismo has been pushing it as the only way to play for several threads now and its obnoxious.

>>8026162
Fucking stupid.

>>8026184
meanie

>>8026184
Agreed. I refuse to play doom 2 because of doomguys stupid haircut.

>>8026165
>It's how the maps are made and tested.
>resources from other levels aren't required.
Honestly, these are fine arguments
>quick saving through a level means you're playing on a difficulty to hard for you
Or you have better things to do than redo certain sections over again. Its a bit weird to get uppity over how people spend their time on a game but ok.
>if you die, you start pistol only, meaning it's entirely possible, otherwise you'd need to restart the episode over
Yes, it is possible, but the game itself make you play continuously by default. I'm not even saying this is the best way to play, I though YOU were the troll from how aggressively you were pushing this.

> quick saving through a level means you're playing on a difficulty to hard for you
This is contradictory. If progress granularity is whole level, then saving at any moment is not needed at all. You can do it the old-school way, “Beat level 15 to unlock level 16”, and choice of difficulty when you choose one.

Daikatana and Wrath do saving well, making it a limited resource so you can't reload whenever you take damage. Wrath needs to severely limit the amount of save pickups on the hardest difficulty, but I digress.

Thinking about adding an option for autosave checkpoints for keys.

>>8026167
I wonder if the secret gay furry smut is still hidden within this mods texture files, or they too got removed?

>>8026136
>calls anon out for being brain damaged for arguing with them
>cries over being called out by the jannies
You're insufferable. Fuck off out of this thread.

>>8026194
>Or you have better things to do than redo certain sections over again.
This is literally cheating. Because can might have missed some secret, or you don't have to change your approach or do better earlier on because you can just brute force your way through. If you have to savescum, then drop the difficulty. There's no harm in it.
>>8026195
That's what I'm saying, you shouldn't be quick saving in a level. If you fail try again with a new approach.

>>8026207
Saving even once in a level is scumming now?
Eh, that's retarded. I'll carry on playing the way I like.

>>8026203
It should create separate autosave files for each key because there are so many maps out there that activate traps upon picking up a key. Never overwrite any other save if you add this.

>>8026206
No :)
>>8026209
If you have to close the game to carry on later? Go for it. But don't pretend you've aced a level by brute forcing quickload after quickload at some section you're struggling with.

>>8026109
>I keep meaning to play through BTSX but the samey techbase look bores me to tears by the 9th map
That’s how it’s going to look for most of it. Knowing that, you can stop hurting yourself when you try to replay it.
E2 may be a bit better on the visual variety but I’m also only four levels in.

>>8026213
It would be it's own autosave file separate from manual saves. Might have 3 or so dedicated autosave slots probably in a submenu if I can manage it.

>>8026203
>>8026213
Autosaving when you’re close to or about to pickup the key may be best considering how often they’re trapped, but that’s when I hit the old F2.
Just sometimes I’m so wrapped up I’ll forget and realize when I have to restart the whole level.

>>8026215
>But don't pretend you've aced a level by brute forcing quickload after quickload at some section you're struggling with.
Nobody is pretending that. I just like playing Doom, I'm not out to master it.

>But don't pretend you've aced a level by brute forcing quickload after quickload at some section you're struggling with
Anyone who wants to think they’re “acing” a level would just post a demo of their run, anyways.

>>8025960
Guess I had misremebered the YPOD mod with something else because the post
>>8026049 is actuallt right about Malice since the diagonal movement got changed into being near Doom-like by modifying the movement code (its evident the most when using the 3rd person cam - maybe thats why it was changed compared to vanilla Quake?)

>>8025380
> losers are still arguing about pistol starting
It's just an optional challenge for fucks sake. Original maps were designed with pistol start but the game expected you to carry over items. Shut the fuck up already.

Saving is too broken of a mechanic to leave up to the player for anything but taking a break to resume the game later. Like when Tomb Raider moved from save crystal checkpoints to Tomb Raider 2's save anywhere system, the game lost all its tension. Players should not be making these decisions. PowerSlave was ahead of its time in trying to come up with a fair enough checkpoint system to allow for larger maps.

Normal Doom maps should be balanced around both pistol starting and the expectation that a player can reasonably beat the map saveless. This is why Plutonia works and so many modern wads don't: the maps are hard, but short enough that it doesn't become tedious to make repeat attempts. If you insist on making large maps, they should be made for UDMF, with scripted autosaves, or I won't be bothered.

>>8026243
This. I'm tired of those two whiny faggots trying to fuck each other. Pistol starting is a fun challenge, but nobody is going to think you're hot shit for doing it when most of the community already plays this way. There's also nothing wrong with continuous play because its how the game works. Nobody will think you're great at the game, but unless you're trying to be decino why would you care?

>>8026254
Because playing a map as it was designed and tested has value. You might as well idfa at the start of each level. Playing with extra resources cheapens what the designer was going for.

>>8026260
Nobody cares. Nobody is uploading these runs onto youtube claiming to be masters at the game. Your weird complex over this has no power over how we like to play the game.

>>8026260
Neat. Still a challenge run. Now either record yourself or get prize money. Esports faggotry without the prestige of recognition or a paycheck makes you a try hard loser.

>>8026162
It's called The Chad.

>>8026260
As a kid, I even turned on god mode and had fun. Deal with it.

>>8026162
The Simon Phoenix with a hint of the Rodman?

>trying to police the way people enjoy a game
Now that was pathetic.
I feel like I'm burning out with Doom right now, I might try Arcane Dimensions for Quake soon after beating this wad.

>>8026292
Simon Phoenix is one of my favorite movie villains, I wish there was a player skin for Doom based on him.

Why there are so many trannies in the Doom community? Jesus fucking Christ, they are everywhere.

>>8026109
I feel the problem with BTSX E1's sameyness is less that its all techbase, and more that too many maps follow a similar formula of techbase. Especially in the middle cluster, which seems to relegate most of its more interesting maps to the secret level slots.

>>8026301
Wasn't the MC of SiN based on him?

childhood:
>thinking that pistol starts are the only way to play doom
adolescence:
>accepting continuous play since the devs let you keep your stuff when going to the next level
adulthood:
>realizing that playing continuously until you die/stage exitkills you (i.e. Scythe) and have to pistol start the level as punishment is the intended method

>>8026008
>>8026094
I think they'll be faster to implement support when a big project uses MBF21.

What are your favourite Duke levels?

How to change hud in brutal hexen? Why zdl is banned?

>>8026309
Funny if true, considering in Sin he’s called “Blade”, another Snipes character.

>>8026318
dear fucking god those filters

>>8026314
Early parts of episode 2.
Hollywood Holocaust may be my favorite first level from any shooter.

>>8026314
Red Light District
Rabid Transit
Duke Burger
Derelict

>>8026314
All of E1, E2L1, E2L7, E2L8, E2L11, E3L3, E3L4, E3L11, E4L2, E4L6, E4L9

>>8026318
It's Helj Dawson and xBRZ 3x.

>Celebrating 25 Years of Quake with id Software and MachineGames
>Let's talk Quake
Bros... I counted on Roundhouse Studios doing something with Quake, damn.

>>8026331
Would be cool if id or Machine Games dropped a new episode like they did for the 20th Anniversary with Dimension of the Past.

Playing continuous is like taking a max level character into your next Dota match. It's stupid to trivialize half the game's roster just because you happened to carry over an SSG from the last map. Having to rebuild your inventory is part of the fun.

>>8026331
>QUAKEcon filled with Deathloop, ESO and 76
Well, now I’m just sad.

>>8026331
> mostly bethesda shit
I don't even like Quake and I'm disappointed.

>>8026339
Deathloop looks fun though

>>8026338
I think that's why episodic division is good, then you can outline some vague long term balance through a shorter set of levels, without it having to go for a full 32 maps. MBF21 and UMAPINFO will make these things better.

>>8026338
>It's stupid to trivialize half the game's roster just because you happened to carry over an SSG from the last map
It’s more carrying over the rocket launcher and BFG to trivialize the entire roster. At the least, a lot of mappers are aware of how irrelevant the plasma rifle becomes when you grab the BFG so they hold off on you picking it up for awhile.

>quakecon sale on steam
>quake is not on sale
Giveaway maybe?
Then again it IS on sale on gog

>>8026350
They're cheaper on key sites anyways.

>Giving shitesda money

>>8026350
>>8026359
Failing that, is it not posted up there in the megalink?

>>8026350
Anon, Quake is on an all year sale of 100% in the mega in the OP.

>>8026094
Gzdoom will propably get it first. At least Graf has said, that he implemented all the code.

>>8026347
>how irrelevant the plasma rifle becomes when you grab the BFG so they hold off on you picking it up for awhile.
This is why I like mods like Final Doomer. It seperates plasma ammo from the BFG shots, making both relevant and useful.

>>8026008
>mbf21
Tech illiterate here, what is it?

>>8026359
>>Giving shitesda money
The only person i've sworn to never give even a penny is Randy. Fuck Randy.

>>8026331
>Quakecon
>Its all just Bethesda shit like Skyrim now
>Quake itself gets a short slot because its the 25th anniversary
This is painful to look at. At least the community might do something special for it?

>>8025812
>>looking for a QC reference on determining whether or not the player is running diagonally (want to add diagonal running to the Doom modifier)
Sounds like something that would be impossible in regular QC but possible in CSQC. Since in regular QC you have no knowledge of the player's inputs except for impulses and the fire button.

>>8026162
doomguy cuts his hair with his chainsaw

>>8026347
If mapper gives you early bfg, but is allergic to death exists, it's mappers fault. Best wads support both pistol start abd continuous play. Even Sunlust death exists you on every 5 maps.

>>8026331
>no trent raznor

>>8026337
Will see.
>>8026339
>>8026340
>>8026391
It is what it is.
>>8026350
>Quake 2-4 are on sale.
>Original Quake with its Mission Packs are not.
HUH?

>>8026383
New boom compability level, which allows example free use of multiple 666 tags per map, instakill floors, gravity sectors and flexible dehacked which allows almost infinite new monsters, new pickups, new projectiles (also on player weapons), and very flexible weapon editing (you still have replace weapons though).

>>8026321
>No!!!! YOU CAN'T JUST PLAY WITH SETTINGS THAT LOOK GOOD TO YOU!!! Not those heckin' filterinos!! NO! STOP!!

Sell me on Quake. I hear it's a pretty good blaster, but manually aiming up and down seems to add an unnecessary level of complexity. Also, jumping? I don't thinking platforming belongs in a game where you shoot things.

>>8026423
I honestly can't tell if this is genuine or you're making fun of the people who said the exact same things when Quake released.

>>8026420
>>8026423
Did /v/ invade this place?

>>8026410
>py6
is that the currency of the Netherworld?

>>8026381
That's a great way to go about it. A lot of it comes down to 40 plasma rifle shots being nowhere near as devastating as shooting the BFG for 40 cells, so it's something my preferred mod Babel is able to amend.
The irony is I prefer to pistol start with the mod, and it's not something the author had in mind when designing it.

>>8026203
>>8026213
Figuring out automatically where the key trap begins is going to be a sufficiently complex computational problem. Algorithm should not just take teleported monsters and movement limits imposed by lifts and doors into account, but also passive obstructions to the player, like one-way falling from ledges. This means full AI player simulation and lots of pre-calc, as with some bots. What if there was some secret with megasphere that would allow player to win in the unreachable part of the map?

Or maybe you have been trapped from the first time you ran DOOM.

It's way easier to abuse the demo recording, like prboom+, and keep the background demo with quick options to rewind it to time mark that is 10, 30, 100, or 300 seconds back, or save state like dsda-doom, and go back and forth through them.

>>8026410
>HUH?
Weren't there rumours about id rebooting quake and announcing it on this year's quakecon?

>>8026454
I like the idea of abusing demo recordings to save a few frames before actually picking up the key. Maybe you could use this to autosave before pressing a switch as well?

>>8026432
Дa.
>>8026459
>rumours
You mean that questionable one with female lead? Eh-h-h... There're high chances for new Quake game either way. Don't really need "legit leaks" for that.

>>8026470
No, I mean that you can use existing options that allow the player to go back in time as needed, while the computer doesn't have to guess the right time for saving at all.

>>8026476
>You mean that questionable one with female lead?
I didn't hear anything about female lead, i just heard that a quake reboot might be announced.

BRING BACK CRACKHOR

>>8026162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kScNoGg6bbc

There was a community project few years ago, which idea was to shuffle original Doom maps layout with the aesthetic of another. There was E1M2 in style of E2M2, MAP30 in style of MAP01, so on. Anyone remember how this wad's called?

>>8026542
Switcheroom?

>>8026547
Yes, it is. Damn, I knew it was something starting with S. Thank you anon!

>>8026551
There were Switcheroom 2 and You Fix It! this year.

literally impossible without using the cheese

>>8026568
I charged the bitch with the BFG9000 and on the second try it worked.

>>8026568
Painkiller is the only fps that ever had bosses I found interesting.

>>8026454
Oh, and there was a literal quicksave-based rewind:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/72606-new-prboom-demo-builder/

I guess the problems outlined resulted in dsda-doom being made.

>>8026594
They definitely stood out.

Epic 2 is boring

>>8026331
Less than 1/3rd Id games. A bunch of fucking Skyrim, a 10 year old rpg, and fallout 76, a often maligned online rpg made by Bethesdas B team.
Death loop being in there is at least somewhat on brand, it being an fps. They really should just shift more focus to it being a more general fps con.
Though Bethesda doesnts own many fps IPs I guess.

I'm joining sector toilet club. Too bad doors don't fit.

>>8025949
Oh I know, I just also enjoy it when gameplay mods do it because I hate starting with the vanilla pistol and fist.

I use BFG start mod with auto shoot on sight mod.

I always thought the best use of the dsda code base with it's ghosts and various bits of functionality would be to make a Trackmania like interface to casually race ghosts and whatnot.

>>8026645
It's not for everyone. Personally, I think it has a lot of charm, but there's also aspects I don't care for.

>>8026331
Anyone who has hope for a modern team doing Q1 justice is lying to themselves

Why the fuck does PrBoom+ disable friction sector effects on loading a save? Someone suggested fixing this six years and then a year ago and nothing - someone else said fixing it would desync demos but that's bullshit - Eternity and Woof don't have the same bug

>>8025386
>Hard Fast Faggot Maps

will sky textures larger than 1024 get cut off?

>>8026930
Yeah, probably. 1024 is the full loop.

anybody got a guide for eternity engines various video settings?
i know its more vanilla and actually makes dark areas "dark" but uhh i was wondering if anyone knew how to make spectres more visible without actually turning up the screen brightness/gamma or whatever it is.
like i don't really wanna get rid of the software/oldschool look
and turn it into some gzdoom open gl thing

Just make the sceptres slightly more visible

>>8025386
I'm feeling a lot better now (those fevers made me think the KGB was spying on me), doing work on HFFM version 3.

>Shy boner on Map 06
Cannot replicate.
Discovered that a couple of the health bonuses that's supposed to come out on the conveyor belt sometimes skip the teleport linedef, and this locks you out of getting all of them. Added a loop to that conveyor so that if a bonus actually does skip the teleport linedef, it passes a linedef which teleports it back to the start of the conveyor, thus eventually they do actually pop out.
Of course, it could so happen that it actually skips this one too, hence I put in another, which in theory could also be skipped but this drastically reduces the odds, and should let people 100% items if they feel like doing so.

>Impassable linedef on Map 07
Fixed.

>Shootable switch not shutting in Map 08
Fixed.

>Alleged softlock on Map 11
Cannot replicate. Tweaked ambush door triggers so they're faster.

>Alleged softlock on Map 12
Cannot replicate. Made it so the bars can be opened from the other side, just in case (also merged them as sectors as much as possible, to make them less loud in some ports). If you were to play HFFM in co-op, this could maybe be abused, but we don't have explicit co-op support anyway so that's just whatever.

>Missing textures on Map 15
Looks perfectly normal in editor.

>Stuck boner in Map 16
Fixed.

Is there anything else I need to fix? Have I missed anything?

>>8027042
party pack bro.
>The party pack doesn't display animated textures properly.
This was posted in the last thread.

>>8027042
Computer map sprites. Can't think of anything else. MAP19 could use some expansion but it's too late for that now.

>>8027067
Oh yeah, I fixed that. Forgot to take out the Boom animated lump.

>>8027075
Oh rite. Gotta put those in.

>>8027042
the music credits

>>8027075
>MAP19 could use some expansion but it's too late for that now
I could maybe pretty it up a little bit or something, if you want, that wouldn't take much time at all.

>>8027101
Do you have them?

>>8027108
posted previously (map six is "Poo" from Conker)

>>8026968
1) Do the basic calibration of your monitor, at least
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php

2) Make sure that any automatic enhancement is off and any color/contrast correction is at default setting in drivers. To be sure, turn them on, press Apply, turn them off, press Apply, those settings are sometimes not reset properly otherwise.

3) Run Chocolate or Crispy Doom with default settings (gamma correction off) in a window, load Entryway. Here's your example of a normal picture. You can turn around for darker area.

4) Run Eternity in a window, load Entryway, compare the brightness level, set it to match.

IIRC, Eternity should use the original spectre fuzz effect. Spectres should be easy to notice in the normally lit areas. However, placing them in the dark cramped pits is one of the most common mapping cliches. There, you don't look at screen, you just hear the roar, notice some pixel noise, trust your gut feeling about their zigzag approach and shoot.

Or just make a screenshot if you think something is wrong.

>>8027042
ahh cool so the weapons pack version/"normal doom version" will be uploaded to id games soon?

>>8027208
That's the plan.

>>8027151
Appreciated.

>>8026162
Mike tyson?

>>8027204
i can see them fine in normally lit areas. i was just wondering cause on lzdoom, everything is "bright enough" that these dark pit areas are slightly null and void but on eternity they are actually dark and i can't see the spectres lmao

maybe i'm just too use to zdoom and its derivatives that i forgot dark areas are actually suppose to be dark

but you know what i mean?

I've gotten use to it now but there was a map where i got surrounded and killed by spectres lol

>>8026309
WHERE THE FUCK IS SIN REMASTERED?
I want my Elexis.

this on eternity

this is on lzdoom in the same room, there a lot more visible in this source port. maybe they're suppose to be alot less visible idk i was just wondering how to make them slightly more visible in eternity

>>8027254
>gzdoom wad

>>8027267
this is on lzdoom, see the difference in how much more visible they are???

Is there a source port for Heretic that's like PrBoom+? So basically it's exactly like vanilla but with widescreen support, higher resolutions, and more visual features to choose from

>>8027214
awesome

>>8027294
DSDA Doom or From Doom With Love.

>>8027291
iirc lzdoom lets you customize the fuzz style for spectres

>>8027303
Thanks friend

god I love RTCW

>>8026331
holy yikes!

>>8025960
>>8026242
I did actually take a look at Malice's code, but nothing stood out to me. Guess I'll have another look if I have time. I just wanted to implement a basic speed buff when moving diagonally while the Doom modifier is on.

>>8026049
Based. I'll probably add the skins from the current model to the base shambler as just an armored variant.

>>8026392
>Since in regular QC you have no knowledge of the player's inputs except for impulses and the fire button.
I was trying to find a way to do it via movement vectors actually, but I've only been able to get outputs along the map's global axis. I don't know how to translate that to an axis relative to the player's facing direction.

>>8027318
i actually didn't even alter that, thats just how it is out of the box, the only things i changed tbqh are the resolution
use from space bar to e and jump to space bar cause sometimes if a wad has some bs platforming aspect, i'm just jumping through it lmao

>>8027267
>>8027291
Is Eternity using software rendering? Spectres are much harder to see when using software mode in all ports I think, at least I've noticed so in Prboom+

>>8027386
software only yes

>>8027386
>>8027391
ahh eternity is only software? i mean in the video section it does have a little ""opengl" section way at the bottom but no visible selector for it like in gzdoom.

At some point I would like to go into the spectre code and see if I can force it to render it's effect at 200/240p instead of scaling it linearly.

>>8027445

>>8027448
i actually went and set everything in eternity to 16x9 resolution and it looks alot better.

>>8027267
Yes, this is the original spectre fuzz effect, and it is completely broken in high resolutions, both because of tiny 1 pixel shifts, and randomness period being too small for the total amount of pixels the sprite takes in high resolutions. Some ports have fixed it to be resolution-agnostic, like in your second screenshot.

Possible solutions:

— Not using high resolution.
— Not using Eternity Engine.
— There's probable a trivial Dehacked or EDF or whatever option to disable MF_SHADOW flag (and enable MF_TRANSLUCENT?) for spectres.

Rumours going around that Quake 1 is getting a remake or re-release, would be nice to have active Q1 multiplayer for a couple months.

>>8027489
>The Doom Eternal treatment on Quake
Eh, I'm not sure how to feel about that.

all i can say about quake is that no rerelease will ever be that good if there's no trent raznor soundtrack
that's one of quake's most iconic things and it's not there because zenimax are scumbags

>>8027463
Ah, yes. You can just edit
base/doom/things.edf

Look for
> thingtype Spectre
then change its flags from
> cflags SOLID|SHOOTABLE|SHADOW|COUNTKILL|FOOTCLIP|SPACMONSTER|PASSMOBJ
to
> cflags SOLID|SHOOTABLE|TLSTYLEADD|COUNTKILL|FOOTCLIP|SPACMONSTER|PASSMOBJ
then add new line
> translucency 25%
directly below it, and save the file.

Test and set the translucency percent as you like it.

Do you need Eternity for some specific WAD? It is a bit old and clumsy port by today's standards.

>>8027513
I mean, those menus always make me suicidal, the engine itself is correct and pleasing for the eye (apart from that spectre bug) if you turn off the interpolation and set everything else properly.

>>8027513
my man that shit worked. hell yeah. No particular reason i wanted to use eternity besides i heard its more vanilla than zdoom and i wanted something more vanilla without playing chocolate doom. but also had some cool graphical things others might not have,

which is what i assumed it is. i honestly just went off of dwars video and he said
>its in between prboom and zdoom but its closer to boom
and seeing heart land videos made me wanna try it
>>8027463
ahh i didn't know this, that makes sense

>>8027042
>Map 15
>Looks perfectly normal in editor.
It's something fucky with the software renderer. I play with OpenGL, so I never noticed it.
Just get rid of the 2 little lines circles in pic related and that fixes it.
Animated textures are broken in the party pack.

>>8027254
>enough revenants
Huh, that's exactly what I was thinking while playing MAP30 of Scythe

>>8027491
Its going to be gross.

Playthrough video of map16 of HFFM is up (I Sawed The Demons (And They Were Pretty Hot)). An interesting, small level. One revenant seems to be bugged, but it was already fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKGSqt0q3U
>>8027042
There's going to be a midtexture "bleeding" through the floor in map17. Also, I somehow managed to get the mancubus in map18 to leave his platform and go shake hands with the crusher arch-vile.

>>8027491
I don't see having a new multiplayer Quake thing being in their best interests with Champions still around, especially with that new freetoplay Halo thing on its way.

Wait, you CAN'T prevent Pain Elemental from spawning lost souls upon death in vanilla? I've got so used to ZDoom behaviour, where you can neutralize all 3 skulls by standing perfectly inside PE's dying body. But now, playing through DSDA, I can't get inside him during death frames.

what do you goys think of the quake 1 and 2 expansions?

FUCK, I unlocked the Thin ice secret stage on blood but everytime it loads it crashes BloodGDX
what do?

>>8027758
I think DoE was most lame. Had quite boring new weapons (just ammo that deals more damage), and end boss simply bad design choice, even graphically. SoA was even more fun than base Quake.

>>8027770
nvm, disabling autoload folder, loading the level, saving, quitting, enabling autoload folder, loading and we're MARANAX INFIRMUX

VRanon I do not know if you saw my post but is it possible to incorporate the shotgun from Nehahra/Travail?

>>8027817
/Zerstorer?

What's the first Doom 1 map that features spectres?

I want to play blake stone with doom engine, but i like the wolfenstine doors.

were these guys ever fair?

>>8027830
E1M3 on UV/NM
E1M9 on everything else if you find the secret exit. If not then E1M5.

>>8027868
Was able to find it on the doom wiki, but thanks anyway.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Spectre#Appearance_statistics

>>8027830
e1m3

>literally
>LITERALLY just puts quake 3 into doom instead of making a quake 3 mod
why did the absolute madman do it bros?

>>8027817
>>8027820
I'll take a look at it, but I'm not too keen on adding a new weapon at this point with how many issues they tend to create (looking at you, Gremlins) and with the Doom shotgun modifier already existing. We'll see how much free time I have in the coming weeks though. Right now it's not a lot.

>>8027889
>wants to make a singleplayer version of Q3
>makes it in gzdoom and adds his OC furry giants with Kingdom Hearts feet and a bunch of random shit from D3 and Q4
yeah, why DID he do it?

I've decided to make spectres also change the crosshair color like in the Unity port. The difference is that crosshair won't snap to them.

>>8027889
There's no sunlust and such for quake 3.

What are some decent/good doom clones, that focus on melee combat?
I already played shadowcaster and Hexen 1/2 as the fighter.

>>8026904
First day here?

>>8026904
Play it. It's a really good wad.

How does this game work? What difficulty should I start on? The gun guys kill me so easily.

>>8027893
>and with the Doom shotgun modifier already existing
?

>>8027979
>>8027893
Oh shit this is rad. Thanks for the tipoff.

>>8027979
Impulse 30. Double shotgun damage, half fire rate. Also RNG damage.

>>8027973
>How does this game work?
You have to learn how to fight cultists without staying in line of sight. They're also less likely to hit you if you crouch and jump like a madman. Believe me, once you start blowing up those pieces of shit around the corner with dynamite throws, the dopamine rush is amazing. Zombies also stay down if you kill them with the pitchfork or do a huge amount of damage to them in one hit.

I'd suggest starting on episode 2, since it gives you a wider variety of guns to work with. The start of episode 1 is really rough because it's stingy with both ammo and weapon variety.

>>8027973
If you're good at the other games, you can handle Well Done. Cultists are badasses and the most interesting enemies in the game by far, and the first episode uses them heavily since it's a shareware episode with a limited roster. It's a trial by fire, and if you can pass it then the rest of the game will be fairly easy. If there's a situation that just seems fucked, take another look around the area before it. Usually there's a secret around to give you the edge you need. Don't lean too heavily on the shotgun - it's good for zombies and ghosts, but for cultists, the flaregun, tommygun, and dynamite are safer options that'll let you kill them without taking as much return fire.

>>8026331
i was hoping beth and microshaft would leave quake alone forever and after e3 in june i thought that would be the case... i completely forgot about quakecon. i may have gotten too cocky ;_;

>>8027973
Start on Pink on the Inside or Lightly Broiled, go up a bit if it's too easy.
The gun dudes work a bit like they do in Duke where you can keep strafing to make them hit you less, in this it makes them even dumber.

>secret exit line special restarts the level on levels that don't support secret exits
Quick, how we use/abuse this in actual gameplay?

>>8028030
a third possible choice at the end of hunted

>>8028030
Instant death pits.

>>8028003
oo.oh chambler

>Hell Revealed MAP22
>"Watch Daniel's lmp for this level to see how well it can be done - that is the way I designed the level to be played, not by hiding behind corners."
>map starts with more than a dozen archviles from every angle and no way to focus on one batch UNLESS you hide behind the corner at the start

>>8027254
>garbage worth

>>8027973
Shoot the bad guys until they die.

The level design in DOS PowerSlave is actually so good. This makes me want to get into making UDMF maps, they could be great with a little restraint.

>>8027959
I made a map for it anon, i'm just having some fun, lol

I've been getting into mapmaking lately, its kind of time consuming but its pretty fun to tweak things and mess around.

>>8028085
yummy floor, anon

>>8028093
that face texture has to be one of my favorite things in doom

>>8028080
jesus christ did jannies delete this for being too lewd

I don't want to start a shitstorm or drama, but does anybody know why Scotty got banned from Doomworld? Because I don't know. He seemed like a promising mapper. I enjoyed Criticality, Cydonia and his contributions on Abandon.

The guns in Unreal are so cool. It's too bad there's barely anything to use them on, what with it being a beautiful walking sim or sorts rather than an FPS.

>>8028130
Well, it doesn't look like he did anything non-kosher, at least according to his activity log. Something offsite must have happened, like in a discord server. We may never know since transparency isn't a word at DW.

Quake "Revitalized Edition" by Machine Games is coming.
https://xboxera.com/2021/08/12/a-revitalized-edition-of-quake-to-be-announced-at-quakecon-per-the-now-scrubbed-description-of-the-lets-talk-quake-event/

>>8028051
> https://youtu.be/FKkEm8wCAnc
is this good level design bros?

>>8028152
Spark up a botmatch if you don't like the downtime in the campaign.

>>8028164
and heres an older run by vile, a more consistent approach https://youtu.be/bDf-cpCyYQg
if you download demos you invariably come across a lot of his

>>8026594
Amid Evil and Doom 2016 had pretty good bosses. Ultrakill's pretty neat so far.
Those are exceptions to the rule, though.
>>8027850
They're grade A bullshit. At least you can fuck with their pathing on walls and shit.
>>8028085
>UDMF format
Probably not the best starting point, but I can't blame you for having fun.

>>8028080
>hey guys, I just thought up how to invite lots of strippers and write it off as business expenses!
I fucking love 90s devs

>>8028257
Oh god, I knew our janny was retarded, but this is beyond good and evil. HE FUCKING DELETED THE POST OVER THIS PICTURE

>>8028249
I've seen that quite a good chunk of map collabs try to stick to being BOOM compatible but its fun to have access to stuff like slopes and bridges (even if I don't have the prowess to use it to its full potential).

I prolly should mess around with a more "vanilla" format at some point, just to make sure im not just using these extra tricks as crutches

>>8028290
I find using tricks to be more fun personally.

Still chasing a copy of DooM RPG/RLA 0.9ish with the launcher if anyone has it sitting on their HDD. If it's the right version the UAC pay system works and it has the UNATCO HQ theme back at base. Desperate to get it back after my old HDD died, plz help!

>>8028130
His custom title is "banned", he's not actually banned.

>>8028260
The janitors fear the best Build game.

>>8027346
>I was trying to find a way to do it via movement vectors actually, but I've only been able to get outputs along the map's global axis. I don't know how to translate that to an axis relative to the player's facing direction.
I'm curious what data you have access to. Sounds like you need a world-to-player "inverse" transformation matrix, but perhaps the game at least gives you a Z angle?

Which version of each iwad from Final Doom you use?

>>8028290
On the other hand, not having access to 3D bridges, interactive portals, and proper scripting makes me cry myself to sleep.
I'd like to map in UDMF, but that initial lag you get when opening a sector's properties drives me mad. It's like having a mosquito nearby that you can't squat.
>>8028303
Voodoo scripting is a pain in the ass to setup and every source port has its share of issues.
For example, GZDoom has less glider player models and potential conveyor desync issues when dealing with scroller speeds that aren't the power of two.

>>8028384
A new randomized one on each day of the week.

If you are just playing it, there is little difference. Use original tnt.wad, tnt.wad+tnt31fix, or fixed tnt.wad. Your port may fix it for you silently. For multiplayer, well, better use the fixed TNT and Plutonia to be sure.

However, when playing demos you need to know or deduce the exact wads used and also the exact game version used (target compatibility level) because the playthroughs usually break otherwise.

>>8025386
Quake Enhanced Edition in the works?
https://www.vg247.com/2021/08/12/quakecon-2021-schedule-hints-new-quake-project-machinegames/
https://cogconnected.com/2021/08/282518/
> Quake is back, in this special stream John Linneman from Digital Foundry talks to Jerk Gustafsson of Machine Games about the title’s iconic legacy and what it meant to both of them.
> The pair will also discuss the additional content Machine Games have contributed to this revitalized edition.

>>8028581
New episode or episodes would be great if it's the same guys behind DoP, hopefully using some stuff from the Mission Packs.

>>8028581
>Machine Games
I don't exactly have high hopes

>>8026904

>>8027254
now in custody

>>8025590

I'm slowly working on a wad I'd describe as "cosy" at the minute.

I wanna make a map set that feels like Doom did back in the day, but not like, in the purist "vanilla limits, iD style, chocolate doom only" sense; more like just in the vibe of the whole thing. Use some nice new sprites and textures, use the detail DoomBuilder allows, but make it feel old school. No crazy gotcha traps or overly ridiculous monster counts, just some fun gothic corridors and castles, blastin' demons and good music.

I mean I'm doing it for myself as much as anything, but it feels bad knowing most people will either overlook it or think it was boring because it's not the 300% turbo slaughter style they need to get that dopamine hit these days.

>>8028694
I piss in the sink. Fear me pitiful mortals.

>>8025590
Look into DBP series, better installments tend to hit the sweet spot for difficulty - not too easy, not too hard. Start with SpaceBalls and Auger:Zenith.

>>8027838
>someone actually played the demo
Got any feedback? How do weapons feel? Refill too fast/slow? Noticed any bugs in weapon handling? Any idea how to make the tutorial messages less annoying?

>>8028697
I'm looking forward to it.
I enjoy Doom 1 with keyboard only, it's comfy.

>>8025785
>>8026167

Honestly I'd cut him a break on it, you can't be too cautious with today's climate. I said some edgy shit on the internet when I was younger, and I still have nost of the same edgy opinions, but back then I never realised the internet would become an everyday thing that regular everyday assholes use. If I knew that I would have treated it as any other public space.

I'm just glad most of my shitposting was on here as Anonymous, but even then I have cut ties with my old forums/games screen-name in case any edgy shit I said when I was 17 comes back to haunt me somehow- And that's as a complete nobody.

I can understand this guy feeling a bit nervous and overcompensating for it, he's a pretty highly visible figure within the community. Last thing you want is some prick doxxing you and getting you fired from your IRL job because you made a Doom wad in 2004 that said the word "fag".

>>8028581
>Machine Games
thanks I hate it.

>>8027758
i think they're better than the main campaign

>>8028731
But they're a good developer. Didn't they make that extra Quake episode a few years ago?

>I misread a deadline for a community project and now I have 36 hours to finish a map I've barely started
Pain

>>8028702
Do you also shit in the urinals at work?

>>8028726
No one is guiding you to the gallows yet, and you have already been acting like you're dead. Do you realize you are the part of the problem?

>>8027919
I don't know about doom clones but I'd recommend you this mod:
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/gmota
It's pretty fun.

hey i want to get into mapping, can someone give me some tips? i'm only interested in vanilla-ish maps, say, mbf21

i'm on linux; I tried out the linux native UDB, but it seems to have issues. is anyone else on linux and using UDB? do you use it native, or through wine?

what is slade? do people use slade and also UDB?

also i'm interested in making maps programmatically. I see ribbiks has some lua scripts for UDB; is that a reasonable approach? at least for minor embellishments?

the whole thing seems daunting. like if i want to do some basic thing i might need to know about voodoo dolls and 1000 other things.

>>8028812
Plenty of examples of people getting fired for non-PC opinions. It's shitty and hypocritical, but it's also understandable as nobody wants to lose their income.

>>8028841
not a tech buff so I don't know about linux and so on - I think I did use it natively on linux long time ago, dont really see a reason why it shouldnt work
Slade, unlike UDB, enables you to throw stuff into a wad, like custom textures, music, sprites and so on - it is quite useful - it also has a level editor but I prefer the UDB one so I use both programs but for different reasons
No idea about scripts but voodoo dolls are pretty simple - you should check out some voodoo tutorials, once you get the right method it's a breeze. Remember - the player1 start that you placed last in the map is the one in which you are going to spawn - so place the old spawn into the voodoo machine and then make another start for the actual spawn
DW has some nice tutorials - https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108934-boom-a-brief-looping-and-timed-conveyor-script-primer/ this one for example
Also, get rid of that weird spacing anon

>>8028841
>https://pastebin.com/vpg74zJ0
This isn't anything near a comprehensive guide on mapping, but it might be a good start for you. The most important thing is you actually make something and get feedback on it. Like anything worth making, you need to grind it against feedback until you get something polished. I also recommend examining what you like and hate about maps you've already played.

Slade is for dicking around inside archives, writing code, adding sprites and compiling shit. Don't bother with its map editor, it's buggy as shit compared to UDB.

>>8028854
>>8028863
wow this is absolutely wonderful, thanks to both of you.

i do want to use my own textures and stuff like that eventually but obviously if i plan to do too many things i'll never get off the ground.

i'll check out these links now and get started =)

>>8027850
I save the flamethrower for these guys, give them a douse and then run and hide so they can't zap you.

>>8028801
There's a number of different teams inside Machine Games, one made New Order (and DOPA), one made New Colossus. We'll see which people who'll be fondling Quake.

>>8027641
>There's going to be a midtexture "bleeding" through the floor in map17.
Where in Map 17?

>Also, I somehow managed to get the mancubus in map18 to leave his platform and go shake hands with the crusher arch-vile
That doesn't sound like a problem to me, that sounds like you're lucky.

>>8028914
>>8028801
>>8028731
>>8028581
>it'll probably be zoomer-friendly Darkplaces fork with PBR up the ass

>>8028979
i think quake modding and source ports are less documented than doom's, they don't even have a decino equivalent

>>8028593
Dimensions of the Past was fucking shit

Beyond Belief was better
Gotshun's Lost Levels was better

DOPA is trash with repetitive level flow and tedious encounter design (just throwing more enemies at the player but failing to make the enemy counts contribute to the difficulty of the encounters)

>>8027758
SoA has some great Levelord maps, everyone should play it

>>8028992
dimensions?

by zzul?

that pwad is awesome

>>8028852
No, you don't get my point. It can happen, but it's your choice to behave like it is a guaranteed outcome.

“Have you grown so rich as to be afraid of robbers?”

>>8028994
Levelord has never been great.

>>8029087

>8029087

>>8026162
The quadruple widow's peak.

>>8028994
Levelord fucking sucks

>>8029164
Build Engine really is the trailer trash of game engines isn't it?

Wouldn't be a complete lunchlunch map without a secret like this - amazing level, so detailed and fun

>>8029173
Ion Fury did prove that you can make great things with it, Levelord just sucks

is SiN any good?

Has anyone played Rudy2's powertrip wad? These reskinned enemies are kicking my ass.

>>8029202
Yes. I loved it. It gets while to get into new rhytmn of new harder monsters and buffed up weapons. When you get familiar with them, it's not as hard anymore (but still very fun).

>>8029202
Rudy 1 is much better, 2 is kind of a mixed bag. Some levels are great (both TravyB maps), while others just plain garbage (16, 20, 22). Difficulty is all over the place - MAP 15 is by far the hardest in whole set. IMO, don't deserve it's cacoward.

>>8029224
I didn't even realize there was a Rudy 1, thought Rudy 2 was just a reference to "rudy poo" or something. I'll give it a try thanks anon.

>>8029164
smite of disrespect

>>8029190
I don't know but I've been thinking of playing it myself.

>>8029023
I don't disagree, but that choice is also taking into account the risk of exposing one's views, which by behaving in a guarded way, is lessened. As you touched on, this fear is ultimately a kind of tragedy of the commons, but i can empathize that it's a difficult tightrope to walk.

Going down is pretty good.

>>8029427
And it gets better with every map.

>>8029484
What the fuck.

>>8029545
you are only seeing one face of it.

>>8029574
Okay, it wasn't that bad.

In Q2, how do I load a specific map from the base game? If I do something like
>map base1
It just says it can't find maps/base1.bsp. Which is true, because it is in the .pak file.

>>8029590
At least in Q1, it works if you write 'changelevel' instead of 'map'.

>>8026423
based /vr/ satire poster
>>8026428
>>8026429
rule two breaking /v/tards

>>8028152
I think the skaarj are pretty cool enemies. Overall its a decent roster. When you compare it to contemporaries I think they are better than quake 2 or kingpin. etc
Try Unreal Evolution, its spices the combat.

Hey Revae, start advertising your server here pls

>>8028351
>I'm curious what data you have access to.
Basically raw XYZ vectors for movement (map axis) and player facing direction: https://files.catbox.moe/ppcta8.mp4
The movement direction there is normalized, but I can get raw velocity per axis too. It seems like it should be possible to determine diagonal movement with that information, but I'm quite the mathlet.

Is it true that something is wrong with Darkplaces? That's the way I've always played Quake 1, but I just read on /v/ that /vr/ hates it.

Train

Anyone other blindfags need to blast the gamma and/or brightness in these games? I don't know if I need a new monitor or need to see an eye doctor, but I can never see shit on the default settings.

>>8029427
>>8029484

And it still surprises me it was made by Cyriak of all people.

>>8029701
It has some script handling and physics issues that hinder mod compatibility and make movement a bit off in some circumstances (ramp jumps, jumping off moving objects, etc.). If you want the same graphical capabilities (and more) without those problems and with better performance, FTE is more ideal.

>>8029701
>Is it true that something is wrong with Darkplaces
Yes, the creator trooned out.

>>8029727
>>8029730
Thanks lads, just switched to FTE and it works like a charm.

>>8028130
being banned from x doesn't stop from mapping and doomin

>>8029762
>being banned from x doesn't stop you from mapping and dooming
fucking stroke

>>8029730
What is with some of you people

>>8029770
Believe it or not most people dislike trannies and the dev is indeed a tranny now.

>>8029770
Manrisa can you please put the tripcode back on so we can all filter you?

>>8029773
And? Shouldn't you like/dislike a sourceport based on its merits and not its creator? If you're not using a sourceport because it's developed by a tranny then you're not much different from the kind of person who wouldn't play 2048 units of /vr/ or whatever because it came from 4chan.

>>8029783
>you're not much different from the kind of person who wouldn't play 2048 units of /vr/ or whatever because it came from 4chan
False equivalence. Trannies are bad, 4chan is good.

As a mapper I dislike gzDoom because it takes like whole 3 seconds to boot every time I want to test a change to a room I did.

>>8029783
I can't really respond to this without derailing the thread into fullblown /pol/ territory and culturwar shit that I don't think this thread wants or needs.

>>8029790
Alright I guess that's good enough kek.

>>8029717
That reminds me, is there a palette mod that closely resembles the colors you'd find in printed screenshots of the era?

>>8029783
I don't buy products from people who maim and torture animals so why would I use something made by someone who maims and tortures themselves and is part of the problem

>>8029805
They can maim and torture themselves all they want, the problem is that they encourage maiming and torture of children.

>>8029805
You stuff your fat face with god knows what and abuse yourself with alcohol, tobacco and porn, why should I care about your opinion?

>>8029792
>/pol/ territory and culturwar shit
Somehow I think these fags screeching about trannies all the time are here for exactly that, because they sure as shit ain't here for doom.

>>8029823
Let's not, anon. I dunk on trannies here sometimes but ultimately I'm here for Doom and Quake.

>>8029818
I eat healthy food, don't drink and smoke. What now?

SO ANYWAY HAHA BACK TO DOOM POSTS HAHA
It's idgames roulette time! https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

>click link to get a random upload from idgames
>play it (as far as you want anyway)
>no need to finish it if you don't like it - it's supposed to be fun
>take at least one screenshot
>post a link to it here in reply afterwards
>tell us what you thought about it
>if you get a DM map, texture pack, or utility, etc, reroll

>>8029801
gamma up

>>8029590
Are you using any patch or port? It should work like that. ex: "map boss2" takes you to the final level.

>>8029675
revae is the clovr guy?

>>8029826
My World
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/m-o/myworld

A cramped '95 map plastered in marble textures with Mission Impossible music playing. 3/10.

>>8029717
Any Doom wads that add cool train levels like Blood's?

>>8029891
Heartland

>>8029826
We´re All Dead Here from '09.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/deadhere
Highly recommended to fans of preacher.wad. Great halloween atmosphere. The large city map I played gave me Lainos vibes, but with a very different atmosphere. A bit of Realm667-itis and the trappings that go along with it. A bit aimless with kind of crappy monster placement but not as bad as some other ZDoom mapsets, and mostly cool use of ZDoom features. Comes with a few bonus maps that I didn't try. 3.5/5

>>8029826
Deliverance
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/deliverance
This is a 2003 wad, and it shows. Here we have a massive level with 300+ monsters with an ample amount of detailing. Unfortunately, it's just not fun to play. Encounters are easily avoided by simply not entering rooms. There's plenty of filler barons and knights that offer no challenge, and the first third of the map has you gunning down mid-higher tier enemies with a shotgun and chaingun only. Pretty lame.
I don't do number scores fuck that lmao

>>8029891
Epic 1
Revolution! aka TVR
Runaway Train

>>8029826
AOL Girls Museum
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/a-c/aolgirls
Literally what it advertises.
The map itself it's just random encounters in wide corridors, it's actually really easy it took me only 4 minutes to finish it and only because I tried to go for 100%.
Also the pistol sounds like a nerf gun for whatever reason.

>>8029916
>>8029902
Thanks bros.

>>8029950
finally some quality maps

>>8029183
As soon as I figured out Cuppy stole their death frames, and they froze like this, I knew they had to be used. I even first offered the idea to 40oz for his Altered States map but he didn't like that their corpses remained impassable. I still think they would have been better utilized in that map, as much as I like using my SS secret gimmick.