/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8028021
I get that Saturn emulation is difficult, but why can't Capcom rerelease this version of this and MMX4 opposed to the inferior PlayStation versions?

I'd love to play this with a real six-button controller.

ib4notretro

Either the Saturn or PC version would be okay.

>>8028021
Sonic Gems Collection uses the PC porst of Sonic R and CD.

>>8029471
just emulate it

>>8030061
The PC version of R has online play.

>>8029471
>pspgo with a DS3 fightstick

Speaking of psp games, how about Suikoden Collection and MML

>>8029993
That looks fake as fuck. Zero effort.

>>8030246
...? Does it? I own it and have never noticed. I can't imagine playing this game online with anybody, I guess I've never even once tried to check the multiplayer mode because I just assumed it was two players huddled over a keyboard.

>>8029465
What benefits does the Saturn version of X4 have?

>>8030417
Looping background music, reduced load times, heatwave effects and the Saturn's godlike Dpad.

>>8030306
They removed the network features in a later rerelease of the game https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sonic_R_(2004)

>>8029993
>fuckies island
based sega

Does anybody know if the Saturn steering wheel works with Saturn version of Sonic R?

>>8029465
Because every game developed for the PSX that used hardware transparency had to use dithering patterns + composite output on the Saturn to achieve the same effect.

>>8030725
PSX version here

>>8030725
That effect really doesn't look as bad as it does here on a CRT with composite.The pseudo-transparencies are made worse with upscaling or s-video.

>>8030740
I get that, I played X4 and Symphony of the Night on my Saturn via composite and it was fine. The problem is that if Capcom re-releases Saturn X4 today, it's going to look like shit on any modern display, and nobody is trying to hook up an Xbox or PS5 or Switch to a CRT except for some fringe autists, and they're not the target audience of such a re-release.

It still bothers me that the PSN release of Spyro 2 is the black label version instead of the GH version that fixes all of the game's bugs.

>enhanced textures
>lossless CD audio
>three difficulty levels
>save/load system
This is the version to play if you are intimidated by the difficulty of the original.

Xbox version of Metal Slug 3 (and i guess japs got same version on ps2 in japland(

>>8029465
X4 sure, 8 nah.

>>8031298
The boss music in the PSX version legitimately hurts my ears. I think they decreased the pitch intentionally for the Saturn version.

>>8031298
It's not just people playing the cheaper Japanese version, but also the fact that the most fans who do play via emulation it chalk up the audio differences to the emulator. In fact, if you rip from actual discs or compare real hardware, literally everything audio-wise is objectively lower quality in the Saturn version. X4 probably doesn't suffer from this because Saturn was the lead platform, while 8 was ported to Saturn late in development to be multiplatform and had extras thrown in to make up for the Japanese release gap.
Best thing about the Saturn version is the underrated Boss Character Postcard section featuring chibi Wily and exclusive runner-up artwork - it's a shame Legacy Collection 2 didn't port it.

>>8031058
Wait they rereleased this on steam

>>8031065
Is that version a port like a few other Neo Geo titles of the time?

KoF2000 and SvC Chaos are straight up ports from the original source, and as such make use of the original higher quality audio assets, and also render directly out to PS2 modes, so inputs feel good, and they fleshed out some additional options, made hidden characters selectable, and fixed a few things.

(I'd throw Samurai Shodown V in there as well, but it's sort of a half port, due to SNK not giving the developer the source code to even work on the original Neo Geo version when they did that one).

Most other Neo Geo games on PS2/Xbox after that are emulation, and they suffer terribly for it. Input latency is rough, video is ugly, and it's mostly just the arcade versions with nothing new, really.

I never tried Metal Slug 3 though and that is right in that era where it might have been good.

>>8031817
And PS3

>>8031058
SA2 was better on original Dreamcast too; I wasn't convinced with either at first, but after viewing the Cybershell and Greenalink videos on both of them, I've seen the light.

>>8030652
Also broken transparencies and wrong aspect ratio.

>>8028021
What's so good about this version of the game?

>>8031908
"broken transparencies" can be solved just be using composite video, what do you mean about the wrong aspect ratio though?

>>8031915
He might be talking about 256 vs 320 pixel width output.

>>8028021
isn't the gems version based on the PC one?

>>8031915
>what do you mean about the wrong aspect ratio though?
Look:
>>8030734
>>8030725
The PSX and Saturn output at different resolutions. Many games developed for the PSX first and ported to the Saturn didn't take this into account, so the graphics look slightly "warped"

>>8032253
You are correct that the resolution differences cause problems, but I just want to add that this is specifically issue not because inherently the resolutions were different between the consoles, but because the Saturn doesn't support a mode that has that width.

Both the PS1 and Saturn had several different resolution modes that they could display, including some wide pixel options beyond 320, such as 354 (in 240p modes), and various interlaced options, but the Saturn for some reason did not have a 256 wide mode, like the Genesis did (which was typically 320, but had a 256 mode as well).

256 is what the SNES used, and likely Capcom choose that for MMX4 because that's what they had been doing previously.

I think it was much more typical for games to be 320 and above on PS1, but any games that were coming from the SNES era would opt for the lower width in some cases.

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=Optimal_timings

>>8031874
Steam version with mods is the superior version. Not only you have Chao World Extended but you can also make Rouge's bat tats n ass bigger

>>8032430
I'm not a degenerate furry.

>>8032253
>Many games developed for the PSX first and ported to the Saturn didn't take this into account
Good thing MMX4 was the exact opposite.
We were almost in the timeline where MMX4 and MM8 were platform-exclusive counterparts.

>>8031817
I don't get Sega, they ported this two times on PC, and the Steam port was somehow more fucked IIRC on top of removing the Game Gear games that time
However, some fans basically restored everything that was wrong with that port, but also everything that was wrong with the GC DX port in the first place and added back the GG games. It's called Better SADX or something, there's probably some steam guide or something about it

>>8031298
I just listened to both Search Man variants and they both sound fine to my ears.

>>8032462
And yet I'm still better than you

Speaking of Capcom, they also cheaped out porting Onimusha to PC, using the PS2 original instead of the expanded Genma version for Xbox.

>>8030065
Emulation PSP multi-player dumbass.

Capcom had no excuse not putting Alpha 3 Max in Legacy Collection

>>8032973
cringe

>>8032947
I believe it's the part about 45 seconds in. The changed beep tones subdue the main melody and the background instruments are stronger than they should be.

>>8028021

>runs at pc resolutions, adds effects
>broken redbook tracks

not best version

>>8034080
I thought the redbook tracks only break on modern machines and are easily fixable with mods/hacks.

>>8035940
think again, the literal track data is broken. You can even stick it in a CD player since its redbook and hear how borked.

any mod/hack must use a rip form the saturn.