/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 2.0 >>8003328
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfun

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8003105

VRSKINS 3.9 (delayed): >>7967424
Submissions closed, voting TBA

=== NEWS ===
[8-04] Xim's gzDoom3 for Classic Doom released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72960

[8-03] DN3DooM has been updated.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67864

[8-01] DBP 38 is out
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2218/chronicles-ghost-town

[7-30] Vomitoreum released on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1549750/Vomitoreum/

[7-29] Grim Borough released (for chasm: The Rift)
https://www.moddb.com/games/chasm-the-rift/addons/grim-borough-for-chasm-the-rift

[7-29] Anon's MIDI Pack updated to v5
https://www.mediafire.com/file/bcgxwt25qm151xx

[7-27] Tasyspleen TS500 (Q2 FFA), July 31st
https://twitter.com/tastyspleentv/status/1420068100335185921

[7-26] Retroquad 0.6.6 release
https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/1419811121603698688

[7-26] KMQuake 2 test build, feedback wanted
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4098/new-kmq2-test-version

[7-26] Doomkid Vanilla Wad Pack Revision XII
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2356798

[7-25] DoomWare (like the TF2 plugin) (for Zandronum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRiBYVOPxdI

[7-25] GZDoom 4.6.1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=72879

[7-25] Dread (Amiga 500 Doom Clone) Ep. 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9fQw1W22i8

[7-22] Earthless: Prelude on Doom Classic Unity Port
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/120458/

[7-20] Hell Forged Updated to 1.10 beta
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13397

=== PREVIOUS ===
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=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
Version 2.0 >>8003328
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/hardfun

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>8003105

VRSKINS 3.9 (delayed): >>7967424
Submissions closed, voting TBA

=== NEWS ===
[8-04] Xim's gzDoom3 for Classic Doom released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72960

[8-03] DN3DooM has been updated.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67864

[8-01] DBP 38 is out
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2218/chronicles-ghost-town

[7-30] Vomitoreum released on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1549750/Vomitoreum/

[7-29] Grim Borough released (for chasm: The Rift)
https://www.moddb.com/games/chasm-the-rift/addons/grim-borough-for-chasm-the-rift

[7-29] Anon's MIDI Pack updated to v5
https://www.mediafire.com/file/bcgxwt25qm151xx

[7-27] Tasyspleen TS500 (Q2 FFA), July 31st
https://twitter.com/tastyspleentv/status/1420068100335185921

[7-26] Retroquad 0.6.6 release
https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/1419811121603698688

[7-26] KMQuake 2 test build, feedback wanted
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4098/new-kmq2-test-version

[7-26] Doomkid Vanilla Wad Pack Revision XII
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2356798

[7-25] DoomWare (like the TF2 plugin) (for Zandronum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRiBYVOPxdI

[7-25] GZDoom 4.6.1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=72879

[7-25] Dread (Amiga 500 Doom Clone) Ep. 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9fQw1W22i8

[7-22] Earthless: Prelude on Doom Classic Unity Port
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/120458/

[7-20] Hell Forged Updated to 1.10 beta
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13397

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

Are you guys going to upload the version of HFFM? With everything stripped out to idgames?

The chasm is only fun when you play it continuous.

>>8005242
agreed enough revenant spam pls

>>8005242

Here's something I've been working on, Quake's weapons for MBF21. More of a proof-of-concept than a gameplay mod since the balance is pretty broken and I haven't playtested nearly enough. Some shit doesn't work how I'd like it to yet: Mjolnir should consume cells and keep swinging when empty, the lightning gun should be more like Quake, custom bullet puffs don't exist in mbf21 yet, etc.
Tested in dsda-doom and briefly in woof, make sure you load the .deh file (I've had problems embedding it in another mod). Feedback and suggestions are much appreciated.
https://files.catbox.moe/n2e31o.zip

>>8005262
Wrong.

Playthrough video of map08 of HFFM is up (Drain Snake). An excellent level, even though I consider the arch-vile spawn a dick move. You can also see a softlock in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhBc1v8darY

>>8005286

As I get further into Quake 2, I am developing heretical feelings. Do I like it more than Quake?

The gunplay is a fair grade better. Mainly the super shotgun, rocket launcher, laser rifle thing, and the railgun. For some reason you get a ton of railgun ammo, and it's feels great.

>>8005307
The rhythms of Quake 1 have never been for everyone, particularly how the shotguns function, and the fact that the nailgun becomes useless after acquiring the super nailgun. I'm not the biggest fan of Quake 1's shotguns, but the imaginative atmosphere, mix of enemies, the speed of combat, they all mesh together in a wondrous mix. And this is without mentioning the myriads of amazing maps.

>>8005242
>gatekeep today
>added revanant saying thinking specific launcher

>>8005307
Quake 2's weapons are just better all around despite the lack of muzzle flash.

>>8005307
There wasn't much in Quake 2 that I enjoyed more than alternating between the rocket and grenade launcher in 1. I also don't like Q2's shotgun balance, not a fan of returning to slower switch speed, and I miss the "super weapon" having it's own ammo pool.
I like 1 more but 2 was fun. I was going to try the mission packs but didn't want to have to rebind everything again.

Nth for waiting for the day QII gets its Arcane Dimensions moment.

>>8005283
Some neat stuff. It would probably work well as is in a map designed around it. A few things:
Why does the lighting gun consume ammo in sets of 10? couldn't it just consume it really fast and you possibly reduce the max ammo for cells? Not having the ss on the 3 key and the chaingun equivalent on 4 and rl on 5 really messes with my muscle memory. And the biggest thing: the mjolnir is humorously suicidal in woof. You might want to investigate and report this to the maintainers of that port because it's probably an oversight in their implementation.

>>8005318
>>8005307

I do like Quake 2, and mechanically I'd agree that the weapons do feel a lot nicer. The community content has simply never been as strong, sadly, but it's kind of easy to see why.

The thing Quake 1 and Doom is that, by a happy accident, their default texture sets and art assets were both generic yet characterful enough that a modder can make anything they like from it. They only have a few hundred textures each but they cover indoor, outdoor, sci-fi, industrial, and medieval. They're graphically limited enough that a mapper can paint in very broad strokes and let a player's imagination fill in the gaps. The assets from those two games are essentially self-contained creation kits.

Quake II is a different matter. It has a stronger, more specific vision, the texturing is more distinct. But what that means is a modder can only make mods set on Stroggos, in Quake II; there's inherently less variety in the default assets. It didn't get long in the limelight either- People thought it was the hottest shit on release, but what Half Life had in its favour is that people could finally use a game to make something approximating reality. The Quake II scene didn't stand a chance after that.

>>8005367
Not to mention the loads and loads of tech mods for Quake since then diminishing the need/want to create for Quake II even more. Alkaline was probably the nail in the coffin to be desu.

>>8005207
god this faggots watermarked memes seem increasingly retarded the more i see them

>want to learn Serious Sam's map editor
>want to lead a community project
>no motivation to do so

>>8005378
Literally me. I love Serious Sam, and what little I tinkered with Serious Editor made me hungry to create something, but you can only pick so many things to spend your time on, and I choose Quake mapping.

>>8005378
Are the tools easy to work with?

>>8005383
They're pretty fucking unintuitive, but it's not the worst thing in the world. If you don't already love Serious Sam, you'd be wasting your time fucking with Serious Editor. My favorite thing about it by far is you can adjust the lighting in real time as opposed to Trenchbroom where you have to compile every time you want to see your lighting.

>>8005363
Actually, disregard that thing about woof. The latest version was only released 6 days ago but it seems to have fixed whatever was wrong.

>>8005386
I do love me some Sam, and like making maps for other games. Is it brush-based?

Question is it a good idea to mess with someones abandonware by making a custom map for it or should I be talking to the person who made it before messing around with it completely?
I don't know if I should share besides I'm almost done with it anyways.

>>8005370
>Alkaline

I hadn't even heard about this, but hot damn. They turned Quake into UT2K4.

>>8005392
Yes indeed. I wish you luck. Once you get a rhythm, mapping for Sam is ridiculously fun.

Post your UDMF(SkullTag) maps.

>>8005378
serious senpai

>>8005394
If it's a separate wad then I don't see the problem. If you're doing something like taking over development of the wad then you should contact the author.
>Pic
What mod?

>>8005363
>Why does the lighting gun consume ammo in sets of 10?
Because of roughly 40 extra lines of code on my end. I intend to change it though.
>weapon slot stuff
To me it makes more sense to have 2 weapons on the same slot be the same type of weapon, I think it would be more confusing to have the SSG/nailgun on slot 3 and supernailgun on slot 4 or what have you. As far as I know you can't change weapon slot bindings in MBF21. I got used to it pretty quickly when testing.

>>8005415
MGQ 3D

>>8005418
Forget that part about lines of code, right after posting I found a way to condense ~20 lines into 1. Feels good.

If there's one thing in this world that will always piss me off, it's how people near universally seem to think the Doom 2016 and Eternal soundtracks were amazing. Especially when they think it's representative of what "metal" is.

How did we fall so far from grace, /vr/?

>that spectre nearly scammed me

>>8005453
Marxism and Jewry

>>8005464
I hope he plays Going Down and Ancient Aliens soon.

>>8005471
I wanna see Heartland. I know Dwars has played it, but after seeing him play 2048 and bitch and moan the whole time, I have no interest in listening to him complain more

>>8005363
One more comment, the real reason why the lightning gun fires in bursts is so that the sound plays correctly. I'd love for you to be able to just fire like 1 ammo unit at a time but the sound wouldn't work. With how fast it fires finding a continuous sound would be difficult, but I could tweak it. I don't mind how it works currently, most of the situations where you'd want to use it you're not concerned with using it really efficiently.

Hexen sucks but I wish Heretic were more like Hexen

>i played those wads and unironically want to sit and watch decino play them
tf is wrong with me? i like to beat a valiant level blind/saveless, then i go back and watch decino's run. partly to learn the secrets, partly to see how he did it, but mostly because i like it

>>8005453
Your first mistake was letting other people piss you off over a harmless opinion. Personally I like some of the DLC music but I do agree with you; most of it has no atmosphere and is over-produced.

>>8005474
i was wondering what happened to dwars he hasn't posted any videos in like a month. maybe he was just like fuck this shit i'm done.

Also i never watch peoples play throughs with the exception of that dude pagb666. dude posts all the secrets in the description.

So if i'm havin trouble finding one. theres a good chance hes played the map and found all the secrets with the times he did it in the videos. Really cool all around. often end up watching them start to finish most times anyways

>>8005502
>what happened to dwars
He got burned out from playing way too many video games for way too long, and it showed in his final 2048 videos. I'm sure he's not really a sourpuss and the reason he was snarky towards the end is because he got FILTERED HARD BY OUR MEGAWAD!

>>8005470
>>>/pol/

>>8005453
>Especially when they think it's representative of what "metal" is.
That repetitive techno fart noises is not even metal.

>>8005514
Speaking on that where do you get 2048 these days? 300 minutes of /vr/ and hffm are on idgames but not 2048.
I guess everyone gets a little burnt out from games sometimes. Just gotta stop playing em for a while.

>>8005526
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/2048vr_v1.6
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/2048vr_v1.6g

>>8005532
ahh no wonder i couldn't find it. i kept searching for author /vr/. cool thanks

Dwars is based, stop bullying

>>8005514
i went and watched some of his playthrough. what game is the sound of the secret finding from?

Now that HFFM is on idgames, I think the body of work page here needs some updating https://doomwiki.org/wiki/A2Rob
>>8005569
In 2048 units? Quake 1

>>8005570
yeah lmao i was like damn thats so familiar. its been a while since i played quake.

>>8005570
Do it yourself, Rob.

>>8005453
Why the fuck do you care, you just sound like a over sensitive bitch.

Did you check your line specials?

>>8005489
Good weapons, good music, good art, and dare I say it good level design. A true classic.

>>8005675
>the crazy straw in the flask

I love decino's thumbnails

>>8005514
It's kinda funny that after he finished the wad he states that everyone here hates him for being a furry, like... literally nobody here even mentioned or insulted him anyways. lmao

>>8005690
Not true, there were people calling him a furry with an autistic voice here.

>>8005489
Heretic>Hexen

Anyone have a list of every retro shooter coming out?

>>8005725
Every retro shooter already came out.

>>8005690

It's pretty safe to assume 4chan hates you for being a furry. It's like you don't need to look outside to check the sky is still blue.

I checked his discord once but everyone there was too autistic to yiff, that's the real disappointment

>>8005675

Level design is the part I can't get over with Hexen.

Love the aesthetic and the setting, but wandering around forever looking for some bullshit hidden switch or door, with every wall always being identically textured so you have no idea where you are, it sucks. It's the same feeling you get in early 90s wads like Memento Mori and shit. Spartan and needlessly obtuse.

Are there any mods or map packs that make it basically the fantasy version of Doom, with much more action-focussed levels? Because that'd kick ass desu.

>>8005757
Shadows of Chronos is a good Hexen wad.

>>8005242
ITT:
also ITT:

>>8005843
Very true.

>>8005843
Who is the most interesting based autist itt?

>>8005857
For me, it's anon plays shitwads

>>8005857
Decino

>>8005857
Anon is.

>>8005502
>i was wondering what happened to dwars he hasn't posted any videos in like a month.
I guess he's still on his break. Maybe some IRL reasons, difficulty with producing type of content he wants... or literally just still being on "vacation" because why not.
>I'm going to be taking a break from making playthrough videos for a bit. I'm hoping to produce more scripted and semi-scripted content in the future like source port guides, tutorials, and Really Good Games episodes. I'll likely return to making playthrough videos in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpYnXdkqC3aMyeg8ZDdBKag/community?lb=UgwO3gZabWyQZtBJXZJ4AaABCQ
>While I was taking a break from making gameplay videos, I put together an HQ SFX Pack for Heretic.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpYnXdkqC3aMyeg8ZDdBKag/community?lb=UgxYPcakoxBHqwu9IgJ4AaABCQ

Getting filtered on map29 of a megawad is the worst feeling. I blame Erik Alm for making people think they can just drop a nonsensical difficulty spike at the end of their wads.

>>8005690
is this what he meant bros?

>>8005882
change difficulty to hmp

>>8005880
t. dwars

>>8005883

>bunny boi bussy

Anon had a point.

>>8005690
4chan hating furries has been a meme since 2006 at least.
He's probably just assuming /vr/ is like the rest of the site.
And a few people made mention of it somewhat derogatorily, but it's not like that reflects the entire board.

What did he mean by this?
>>8005550

>>8005857
Revae

>>8005471
he's planning to do ancient aliens soon afaik

>>8005710
reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>8005757
to me it's the part that makes hexen my favorite, but it's understandable that it's not for everyone, it reminds me of old cryptic nes games like the first and second legend of zelda or metroid which i love

>>8005217
Yes. I'll just wait for Engorged Eggplant to finish playing because it feels like he spots bugs well.

>>8005290
Fixed that one, I just put a little rock next to the stairs so that you can't get stuck if you drop down. Also made it possible to open the bars in Map 12 from the backside, in case you somehow managed to get stuck on the other side somehow (also merged the bars so that they aren't loud as fuck in DSDA when you do that).
Probably abusable in co-op, but I don't think we aimed for co-op compatibility, I certainly didn't.

How do i beat Icon of Sin on Nightmare?

>>8005690
>>8005915
That's no meme. Furries have always been disgusting freaks who should be shamed out of every space they inhabit.

>>8006040
keep talking, they'll never find the skeletons in your closet

There is nothing wrong with the Unity port.

>>8006054
The weapon selection on 360 was better.

Explain
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/8005550/#8005550

>>8006064
explain what?

>>8006054
Fun fact: Rekkr has a secret message directed toward /vr/ written in the automap. By being on the unity port list of official add-ons, this message, and by extension /vr/, is now canonized. Conglaturation anons

>>8006067
Why it was deleted?

>>8006068
Sigil will never be the official 5th episode.

>>8006060
True XBLA Doom was the pinnacle of official Doom ports.
That's why Bethesda took it down.

>>8006085
It was never taken down.

>>8006054
unity is what is wrong with the unity port. doom doesn't need such an obnoxiously bloated base engine

>>8006105
Prove it.
Don't say BFG Edition.

>>8006054
It's fine for consoles, I like playing it on my switch sometimes, they've done a good job of picking wads out.
>>8006109
It doesn't but it probably wasn't Nerve's call to make.

Is there a way to put a secret level at any point I want in a wad? Using the forbidden format

>>8006115
huh, the demos are still listed but not the full games.
https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/DOOM/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410824

>>8006121
>Using the forbidden format
What, UDMF? Yeah, just use mapinfo
https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO

>>8005307
Quake 2 has flaws, but it's still a good game IMO.

>>8006124
Yes it's over
https://delistedgames.com/doom/

>>8006135
Now I'll never get those deathmatch achievements.

i did this instead of important things
>>8005930
thanks?

>>8006109
It's not the base engine. It's only used for the menu (which kinda sucks) and the inputs and outputs that plug into the base engine. It's a like a wrapper. Where the inside is still a york peppermint patty. Which I could really fuckin go for right now.

>>8006142
It literally is a wrapper.

>>8005410
Was UDMF even a thing during the skulltag days?

>>8006145
Don't babble your technological hooey at me, you nerd!

>>8006147
The Unity parts of the game are basically just a fancy version of ZDL.

>>8006142
what is even the point of that

>>8006181
Ease of porting to various platforms.

Stop selling Master Levels please.
It's not that good.

>>8006165
I wonder if they do the split screen by connecting two virtual clients together. Or if they have some other method.
You can't connect two instances of vanilla doom on the same PC can you? I guess it doesn't matter because you couldn't control both at the same time.

>>8005362
I'll take an AD 1.9 release with some new maps first, please.

>>8006187

Arguably Plutonia is the only iwad that's still any good; with the exception of KDITD and a handful of other levels, the rest have aged like milk.

They really shouldn't be selling them separately any more, it should just be "You wanna buy classic Doom? Okay, here's Doom."

>>8006198
You're in luck sort of because sock is working on his own project using AD as a base

>>8005453
Meh, I don't let it get to me. True, the nuDoom soundtracks are kind of dry, but BFG Edition has a decent melody. I can always put on some Slayer and Judas Priest and I'm good.

>>8006146
I'm pretty sure it was supported, even though Doom in Hexen format seemed to be more common.
The ZDoom wiki's UDMF article was first edited around 2008.

The only Doom II versions you should play are the original 1.666 DOS, PS1 and GBA ones.

>>8006239
Oh wow, I didn't realize UDMF had been around that long.

>>8006256
>he's a Doom 64let

>>8005514
Hi dwars

https://embracer.com/release/embracer-group-acquires-3d-realms/
>Embracer Group AB ("Embracer"), through its wholly owned subsidiary Saber Interactive[1] ("Saber"), has today entered into an agreement to acquire 100 percent of the shares in 3D Realms Entertainment ApS ("3D Realms"). 3D Realms, based in Aalborg, Denmark, is a game publisher with 30+ years of heritage in the industry and the creators of cult game series Duke Nukem. Through the acquisition, Saber onboards an experienced Danish publisher with an owner-led management team that will work closely with the Saber team going forward.
I don't think I like this.

>>8006202
how much something has aged doesn't mean how much you like it or not. tnt has aged much better than plutonia in that its got that pseudo-realistic half life effect that pretty much every prominent shooter since has also done. plutonia in a way is the worst aged since its kinda predicated on the player already being good at this shooter from 1993 in order to get through it at all.

>>8006054
I disagree, the console versions don't let you rebind your controls, which is the single thing it needs to enable to be perfect ports of the original game.

>>8005882
Erik Alm's problem was that he wanted to appeal to everyone. So his wads tended to start out as as a literal cakewalk to appeal to the casual player, and then ends them with some of the hardest stuff around (for the time) to appeal to the expert player..

>>8006121
Yes, with UMAPINFO you can have as many secret levels as you want, and every level can have a secret exit to a secret level, even the secret levels.

How to fix texture in hardware mode?

>>8006282
i think you need to turn 'sprites face player' either on or off

>>8006282
Think thats a sprite clipping issue. While there are settings to change their offsets to reduce horizontal clipping, there isn't really a fix for vertical clipping.

>>8006282
You playin a mod?

>>8006272

Man we've collectively had 28 years to get good at it, I don't think the difficulty is really a factor you can judge it based on. If I was to criticise Plutonia's difficulty it wouldn't be just "because it's hard", but because there's no gradual progression in intensity. It has literal meme-tier skelly closets from Map 01, and never stops memeing the whole way through.

However, I think it's pretty close to objectively possible to say the architecture, layouts, and overall aesthetic cohesion is better than any other IWAD. TNT is a goddamn mess, half the levels suck total balls. Impressive for 1996 maybe, but it's not 1996 anymore, and besides that, Doom never looks good when you try too hard to make it realistic anyway, Doom looks best when you toe the line between artistic license and suggestive abstraction.

John Romero understood this from the very start and that's why his levels are the stand-outs in Doom 1 and 2, and still look reasonably good today.

>>8006187
Pretty sure you get it free with Doom 2 nowadays.

>>8006295
>Doom looks best when you toe the line between artistic license and suggestive abstraction
that's what tnt does. plutonia's atmosphere is just random nonsense in service of the skelly closets. there's none of the former besides overbearing poison ivy shit everywhere

if you don't find value in sandy and tom hall's maps then you were just filtered, i guess

>>8006297

Bro at least show me the respect to put some effort into your bait.

>>8006306
ALL HAIL THE SECTOR TRUCK

>>8006306
what is even your point here? are you saying that looks exactly like a real truck and that's somehow bad even if it were true which its not? is this your brain on plutonia cultism?

>>8006306
soul

>>8006306
Based TNT truck.

>>8003229
Alright, so it seems like Aseprite can actually be used for Quake stuff. That's good. Hoping that compiling it wouldn't be an issue.
https://twitter.com/markiemusicpro/status/1394648339044474881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Eu8Cti9nI
Now will go over programs I might need for modding and begin installing shit. In that way, I'll have less excuses to not really give it a try... That approach doesn't always work, but this time is going to be different. Surely... I hope.

>>8005373
that one is great though

>>8006290
Tempered Arms, slightly modified weapons.

>>8006328
Oh wow, I just looked up some footage of this, these animations are pretty good. Thanks for the answer anon.

>>8000339
>Decide to rewatch stream
>Notice none of my messages are appearing
>My google account stopped existing suddenly
It's been a fun one stream anon

>>8006314

>implying crates and a shitty truck are good art direction

You are better than this Anon.

It's adorable and admirable that they tried to do this stuff back then, but in the cold light of day, it's okay to admit: It sucked.

>>8006295
Yeah, Plutonia is definitely a bit too consistent with its difficulty. I'd say the only real progression Plutonia has is that the final third features a few longer levels. I feel like they should've used a few more boss monsters in the last stretch, like what modern wads tend to do.

>>8006343
keep very smugly looking like a massive retard with horrible taste nobody agrees with

>>8005453

>>8006021

https://news.cision.com/embracer-group-ab/r/embracer-group-acquires-slipgate-ironworks,c3392449
3D Realms got bought out by company that mismanaged TimeShift to death back in the day.

>>8006369
I fucking love the healer stalks. Message for the Archvile is also another personal favorite of mine, though that one has more of the rock I guess.

Man Doom 1 and 2's got some real fun music.

>>8006371
Almost.
>Embracer Group AB ("Embracer"), through its wholly owned subsidiary Saber Interactive[1] ("Saber"), has today entered into an agreement to acquire 100 percent of the shares in Slipgate Ironworks ApS ("Slipgate") and 40 percent of the shares in 3D Realms Entertainment ApS

This could be a bad thing, but on the other hand, what's nu3DRealms even doing these days?

>>8006386
>what's nu3DRealms even doing these days
Publishing games along with 1C?

>>8006270
>>8006394
>1C?
Oh yeah, about that...
https://gameworldobserver.com/2021/08/03/tencent-to-acquire-kings-bounty-developer-1c-entertainment

>>8006402
>1C Entertainment Group is a Russian game company, which is now legally registered in Poland
Serves them right, fucking turncoats.

>>8006386
>>8006371
This means that Tim Willits is now in charge of Douk. What a world.

>>8006408
Isn't Randy Bobandy holding Douk hostage though?

>>8006369

nu-Doom music isn't even metal, it's djentcore wubstep garbage for people with brain damage.

>>8006371
>company that mismanaged TimeShift
They're part of Embracer group which basically means they're owned by THQ nordic now
>>8006416
Yes

>>8006421
Oh shit wait didn't Randy sell out to Embracer too

>>8006423
>all video game companies combine into one
>then they are acquired by Tencent
Now that's some dimensional merge.

>>8006423
Yep

They now own something like 75% of the companies that have made successful FPS games. I made that number up, but I don't think is far off.

>>8006425

>>8005290
>Video is 18+ restricted for no real reason
>Also disabled for external viewing
>Gib us yer CreditCard / personalID information to watch this non-pornographic meme vid, Goyim :)
Any easy way to bypass this cancer?

>>8006375
>>8006369
I hate how almost all Doom ost covers are just metal, the 3DO Doom ost gets it right by using a variety of genres

>>8006425
You know the climax of Akira?
That.

>>8006436
Make a throwaway Google account and sign in with that, you shouldn't need to provide any credit card information, I haven't given mine.

>>8006436
>>7987183

>>8006065
I made that image like 10 years ago
I just downloaded Irfanview made an 800x600 image and downloaded a doom font
tried to force it like a meme on /v/
sorry guys

>>8006457
it's a cool image

>>8006443
I already have one, but the fuckers still want my personal documentation thanks to GDPR
>>8006447
Got something like this working on a phone?

>>8006464
>Got something like this working on a phone?
this used to work with age restrictions, but now throws an error:
https://www.youtubepp.com/watch?v=JhBc1v8darY
look for other services like this idk

https://twitter.com/TimWillits/status/1423195315541319680
Uh oh

>>8006109
>obnoxiously bloated base engine
You mean Gzdoom?

>>8006187
I like it more than Quake's mission packs nowadays. I feel it aged better.

>>8006497
https://twitter.com/georgebsocial/status/1423204028238995459
LMAO

VRANON I HAVE A REQUEST THIS LATE IN THE GAME CAN YOU BRING THE REVOLVING SHOTGUN FROM NEHAHRA/TRAVAIL

>>8006187
>>8006202
When the fuck did they last sell the iwads separately, the 2000s? As far as I know you get base game and expansions for Doom and Doom 2 respectively, for free.
Yeah, Master Levels aren't that great, but you aren't paying for them even if you actually buy Doom 2 today.

>>8006509
Even competing studios hate him.

>>8006432
>>8006441
On the other hand it will also mean that all the wokeness in vidya will be outlawed forever. No more trannies, muslims and spooky skeletons.

>>8006512

Doom 1, 2 and Final Doom are all still separate on Steam senpai.

>>8006550
It's interesting, because you can just download Final Doom from both of the Unity ports.

Which are more dangerous

Source Engine ladders or Build Engine doors?

Anyone got the prBoom recoorder basedjak?

>>8006568
goldsrc ladders

Right, so I'm feeling particularly uninspired at the moment and because I want to have at least *something* resembling actual usable sprites, I decided to go the lazy way and just have the pump animation on the ready sprite. It's serviceable, though I really want to have the player to tilt the gun and pump vertically eventually. But for now, that's it, at least I can now continue building the tutorial map and the enemies (there's even already a boss planned).

>>8005453
but nobody thinks those soundtracks are metal?

>>8006662
Is it going to need to pump after every shot? If it only acts as a reload animation, I think it would look good if you brought it closer to your chest to pump it.

>>8006669
No, pumping serves as some kind of charging action.
You can perfectly well shoot without pumping, which means
>insane rof
>moderate damage
>short range

Every pump increases damage dealt (by increasing the number of concurrent projectiles ejected) and the range, which means that by pumping this thing to the max you basically turn it from an assault rifle into a sniper rifle.
However, pumping has an immediate effect and after using up your pressure you have to pump again, so you can't e.g. pump and then continue shooting with high rof, since after the first shot, which is a pumped one, it will return to its default state.

>>8006427
>They now own something like 75% of the companies that have made successful FPS games
their only successful fps is borderlands that isn't even a pure fps

>>8006665
>but nobody thinks those soundtracks are metal?
I mean yeah, I also don't consider nuDoom redditors humans or anything, but under the general definition, they are not "nobody".

>>8006683
I mean going back to historical franchises, not just the ones that are still around.

Right now you have Microsoft, Activision, EA, Ubisoft, and Embracer. Between them, just about every single published FPS game is represented.

>>8006693
I mean, yeah, but they are worth shit if you can't make something useful of them

Okay Ill admit to spouting shit out of my arse with >>8005230 because the AxeKnight is also featured in the DrakeMod maps, its just that I simply hadnt yet touched upon any cause its an utter clusterfuck to keep track of what map requires which version of the mod installed to run in QSS (maybe its the sourceports fault?)

>>8006662
Play around with offsets, dude. They can really liven up even the simple animation.

>>8005207
>NIN OP
I love how the old MTV somehow got convinced by them to actually show a dude being drained of blood before getting turned into minced-meat, as long as the brief scene of him getting his cock stroked during that ordeal was removed from this videoclip - never change puritans :)

>>8006285
Can you change this per object?

>>8006710
'Something wicked this way comes" by Tronyn uses these bad boys and its really great, they dont have that much health(you could even lower it with progs dump) but can deal a lot of damage and chase you around like psychos, could be a good glass cannon enemy

Why is the nuDoom fandom so fucking obnoxious? They literally can't stop jerking off Mick Gordon or talk about BFG Division

>>8006437
Maybe it's because some of the songs were very similar to actual metal songs like No Remorse?

>>8006738
Bluffing the censor is a pretty classic trick when it comes to transgressive content.

For the movie Animal House, they wanted a joke with a guy hooking up with a girl and her exclaiming "I'm only 17!" or something like that, and they figured the rating's board wouldn't let that pass, so they had her say 13 instead, thinking that's so extreme that if they hear the other line, they'll compromise on that one. Only, the rating's board missed it (or didn't care), so that ended up just staying in the film.

>>8006767
They are, Doom samples a lot of metal, but it also samples a lot of other stuff too, it has its share of slower tempo tension tracks, some which are even original compositions. They don't get much attention though.

>>8006772
Yeah. Even so, they could go and nake more variety indeed.

>>8006761
Mick Gordon more like Dick Condom

RIP 3D Realms (again)

>>8006787

>>8006787
>Saber Interactive
AHH yes, Quake Champions turned out to be a great game. Im sure having Tim Willits as a boss in 2021 will wield fantastic results for this company

>>8006787
Embracer Group also owns Gearbox, does this mean we can get 3D Realms working on Duke again?

>>8006787
When has a small company being bought by a giga corp©™ ever boded well? In all of gaming history? Has there ever been a company that's gotten better?

It's like, destined to fail.

>>8006689
I like this version more of that meme

>>8006798
Acceptable scenario is Voidpoint makes it, but the likely scenario is that any “nuDuke” is just going to follow Forever’s gameplay formula.

>>8006787
Welp, 3D Realms is up for the chopping block.

>>8006804
Condor Software got bought by Blizzard and became Blizzard North, going on to make some absolutely legendary games. Of course, this didn't last forever.

>>8005213
Okay, so here it is:

The very first publicly playable anything of the Summer Fun TC.
Please read the Readme and remember that this map is merely a bunch of stuff quickly slapped together to have something to show.
I also recommend to play in HW mode.
If you can get someone to play with you in MP (despite it being GZD), I would appreciate any feedback on how PvP works.
Now excuse me while I make some enemies in order to be able to make an actual level.
I probably forgot to mention a bunch of things, but there you go:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7wwd30oawggfm0/Summer_Fun-Demo.zip?dl=0

>>8006812
Doubt it, but the industry has done dumber shit.

>>8006812
I dont see why they wouldnt do another Ion Fury... but with Duke instead

>>8006823
>He thinks a billion dollar company will spend time on their dime piddling around wasting time and resources on passion projects

Hahahahaha

3D Realms are going to do nothing but port HD versions of PS3 games to consoles forever now. Red Faction HD! Crysis 2 HD! Army of Two HD! Kane & Lynch HD!

This is their future now when they signed that dotted line and their souls.

>>8006787
What does this mean for WRATH and the Ion Maiden expansion, oh god I hope New Blood stays independent.

>>8006787
inb4 someone celebrates this because of crossover potential
fuck off, nothing will ever be as good as samsara and most crossover mods

>>8006880
but now there is nothing stopping them from making borderlands in the build engine

>>8006842
WRATH is partially owned by 1C-Tencent now, so if it had any skeletons, they are to be removed.

>>8006787
EMBRACER, EXTENDER, EXTINGUISHER

>>8006889
who cares who owns what
ownership is just a concept man
just steal shit

>>8006812
Duke Nukem Forever is widely considered a disappointment and embarrassment, so that doesn't seem likely. The smart thing to do would be to just make a DN3D style game.

>>8006895
shit has to end up worth stealing first

>>8006418
it's funny watching dorks get upset over their shit nerd music

>>8006904
then make your own duke nukem game, no one can stop you, they sue you? lmao just don't fucking advertise who you are, become unsueable

>>8006812
>>8006901
If anything, they would try to rip off nuDoom. Though it would be pretty funny if they try and finish original DNF on Q2/Unreal Engine

>>8005690
> literally nobody here even mentioned or insulted him
Not true. There has been a concerted campaign of hate directed at Dwars started by the users of this site, pic related

>>8006921
I mean, that wouldn't be a bad formula to copy, as long as some elements of 3D were integrated somehow, or at least have it feel like a grand adventure like how Forever was supposed to feel/ego shooters of the early 2000s generally were like

>>8006921
That would honestly be an ok start, if they aimed towards making levels with some non-linearity, exploration, lots of secrets, and a bunch of interactive little detail, and more importantly didn't write Duke as a tone-deaf sociopath.
Of course, the chances are pretty good that they won't.

>>8006787
Damn Duke can't have a future or even is own home anymore

>>8005690

>>8006812
I don't want a new Duke game in current era. It wouldn't be Duke Nukem with all of this bullshit on western gaming industry

>>8006942
I get that sentiment, but on the other hand if it rebels and just does shit like Duke should, that would be kind of amazing.

>>8006901
>Duke Nukem Forever is widely considered a disappointment and embarrassment, so that doesn't seem likely.
What is it about a modernized 90s shooter with the expected humor, cinematic kills, and linear gameplay that seems unlikely? Forever was bad but it followed the formula.
At best I'd expect it to be like the new Shadow Warrior games.

>>8006954
I'm sure the chinese govt is just aching to bring back an all-american hero in a rebellion against censorship

>>8006501
no not really. this would be like if gzdoom was exactly as big and bloated as it is but only let you play vanilla doom with it

>>8006828
It's a billion dollar company of mostly b lister teams, why not? Smaller scale games and nostalgia milking is their niche.

>>8006934
>>8006938
Eh, I don't think those are even insults, it could be worse if he was called a literal furfag or some childish /pol/tard level of insult tho.

>>8006960
3D Realms is owned by Tencent now?

>>8006983
oh, I mixed things up. saw Saber, then 1C, thought there was a connection.

>>8006973
I wish gzdoom let you perform "unsafe" operations. You can't restart the engine from the menu or aliases, you can't permanently change cvars from a custom menu... It's essentially a standalone game engine with the limitations of a doom port. Instead of devise a safe way to do some of these things, like was specific inis or some such, they just block it with a [no]...
Blah.

>>8007020
>was
Wad. Which is a real word, though my portable telephonic device doesn't seem to think so.

Looked up Sandy Petersen's Field Guide of Cthulhu Monsters after he mentioned it in one of his Quake videos and it's pretty neat. Was thinking of what Lovecraft monsters could've been added to original Quake and previously I stopped on Deep One, but I prefer Ghoul more. Maybe just mix them together + Ghast... Thought of it as a variation of Zombie Knights from Arcane Dimensions: melee units that moves towards you with jumping attack, except they're easier to kill since they're not undead. Meant as low tier enemies.
Byakhee is looking good as well.
https://howsickcanyouget.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/5105-field-guide-to-cthulhu-monsters-65.pdf

>>8006880
They literally pinned a message explaining why they won't be having anything to do with Duke Nukem on their discord becusse so many people kept pointing this out lmao

>>8006979
Becusse they would make more money porting PS3 games for normies

>>8007068
I feel bad for them. Can't imagine how annoying this shit is for them, especially now when it will get worse.

>>8005207
>Get it? It's Trent REZNOR with a PEZ dispenser and, get this, it has a DOOMGUY HEAD!! RIP AND TEAR DOOMBROS!!!

>>8006710
>>8006743
Ah, okay. I had played one of the things you suggested and didn't see them, so if they're in Drake I'll just go for that.

>>8007068
Doesn't have to be done by 3D Realms, it's not like any of the key people behind DN3D are there today.

>>8007085
We used to enjoy fun images on the internet before soijacks were even invented and we'll enjoy them when they are in the past too

>>8006210
Source?

>>8006740
i think there's an actor flag for it

>>8006371
>owned by Saber
>which is controlled by Tim Willits
Welp, they had a good run.

>>8005882
Here's a ditty about that map when I played it
>Playing Epic 2 with DRLA + Legendoom Lite
>Be Renegade
>agh.ogg
>map29
>Get to that clusterfuck of a room with the red(?) keycard where a million arch viles, revenants, and two fucking cyberdemons guard it
>The invulnerability pickup didn't help as there were too many arch viles so I just went in the level overlooking it and picked at the cyberdemons with a heavy hunting shotgun
>One of them turns out to be legendary
>Think "ah fuck," but remember something
>Fought a legendary cyberdemon earlier in the .wad and learned that they become hydrogen bombs on death
>gears_grinding.mp3
>Get the greatest idea in the world
>Keep picking at the legendary cyberdemon until I hear the rising tone of imminent meltdown
>Get behind cover and start laughing to myself as it goes
>Oh_my_god_JC_a_bomb.jpg
>The timer hits zero, the cyberdemon lets out one last death rattle, and he goes boom
>Run back down to the room like a kid on Christmas
>Corpses everywhere
>The entire area is empty
>The whole room cleansed by atomic flame
>Grab the key after I stop laughing and continue back on the map

>>8005960
>he's planning to do ancient aliens soon afaik
Fuck yes. I gave up trying to pistol start on The Nectar Flow and just restarted playing continuous with Final Doomer mapset specific guns.
Its fun but I can't help but feel like its slightly cheating, I can't wait to see how an actually good player does it. (I mean, sure, Dwars did it too, and it was neat but I want to see how decino pulls it all off)

>>8007081
MY
ASS
IS
HEAVY

>>8007104

I don't really like using zdoom unless I need to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s4DpRTZenw
new decino video

>>8007174
Does anyone actually "like" using any particular sourceport? They are just a means to an end.

I HURT TODAY
TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL

Well this was fun, would not have been without the megasphere.
First episode was good, second's been great so far but I I feel the new enemies are dying just a little too soon to Babel's weapon changes.

>>8007215
So, what's the verdict? Do you still feel?

did gzdoom dynamic lights get much more graphically intensive somewhere along the line? all the health and armor bonuses in doom2 map18 are making my i5 6500 pc chug pretty hard but i remember using gzdoom and skulltag back in the day on my pos hp slimline with no issues. so what gives?

>>8007167
Edgy
Please don't shoot up another school full of kids, incel Doom psycho.

>>8005307
Once you get to the mission packs and the custom stuff, you will see how hard but good it can be, mainly the 97 til 2002 maps.

>>8005207
Q2 Return got a new screenshot >pic
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4092/new-quake-2-mod-return
and the author gave a good explanation of what it can be done to put Q2 maps on the same size and limit as Q1 in the next page.

There is a newbie making his own Mission pack for Q2, its free for DL and Give him some Feedback and Q&A where he should improve
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4100/hello-world

Knightmare is fixing more of the old Quake 2 UI issues.
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4098/new-kmq2-test-version?page=1&scrollTo=30386

>>8007229
shadowmaps got added at some point, but they should be off by default

>>8007264
yeah shadowmaps don't seem to make much of a difference and were already off

>spawns enemies behind you with every switch press
heh, nothing personnel kid...

>>8006370
Based but the Boss explosion killed me too so it's not canon.
I have to do it again.

Making levels is hard. :(

>>8007073
2bh I would not like to work on a duke project with the current mood of the industry, it would be impossible to pull off successfully

>>8007464
I literally draw levels while shitting, step up

>>8007485
So they're literal shit levels, gotcha.

>>8007464
On that note, what are some good levels to study from games that came after Doom/Doom 2? I'm trying to make a retro FPS of my own for fun but I've come to the realization that all of my mapping knowledge comes from the base Doom/Doom 2 WADs, which won't really cut it today.

>>8007497
>but I've come to the realization that all of my mapping knowledge comes from the base Doom/Doom 2 WADs, which won't really cut it today.
1. Lots of details
2. Lots of cramped rooms
3. Revenants, feel free to go crazy

There, you have made a modern Cacoward winning map

>>8007464
Making levels isn't hard, actually putting the effort to boot up a Doom map editor of choice, is.

>>8007512
You're being facetious, but you also have a point.
Most Cacoward winners are just Revenant and Archvile spams in cramped areas for most of the wad.

>>8007540

>>8007512
>>8007540
Creating or enjoying "Revenant and Archvile spam in cramped spaces"-style levels is the #1 sign of a completely dopamine-fried brain and a person who's stopped having fun with anything.

>>8007553
What's your favorite wad?

>>8007553
you're describing speedrunners and trannies, the 2 greatest forces in the destruction of fun

Which song is it from doom thats fucking annoying and has that random loud beep in the song?
Who the fuck thought that was a good idea to put in the game? lmao

how do I get to micro slaughter map15 secret exit
my best internet friend decino still hasn't made a video so I don't know :(

>>8007589
fuck it no clip until you find the exit and see if you can figure out how to open it

>>8007572

>>8007586
not only is this beep loud its fuckin long too. anybody know which song this is?

>>8007601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VKmAOk_Kbg
?

>>8007586
That's your GPU overheating.

>>8007603
Heh that happened to me with Doom95 but not DOSBox or Chocolate.

>>8007603
noo thats not it, its like at the end of the song theres like a five-ten second long beep, terrible and annoying. not only this it loops back through the music and does it again.

>>8007604
no it isn't

>muh trannies
no its weirdo plutonia cultists who've royally confused showing off how good they are at doom with good level design. hence cramped archvile hallways everywhere. they can't make like sandy and come up with some actually creative level concepts so their solution is just to make it more and more difficult and that's it. its more about making veterans who are already really good at doom feel good about themselves more than anything also why these same wads have these obnoxious, incredibly one-note aesthetics like btsx etc. cause muh glorious plutonia has an obnoxious, incredibly one-note aesthetic

>>8007572
Speaking of which, why are there so many fucking trannies in the Doom community?
I mean, some of them do a really good job at mapping but what is it about Doom specifically that attracts them?

>>8007589
I'm guessing that means he's stumped.
Or just got tired of slaughter. I fucking hate those things.

(You)

>>8007616
This? https://youtu.be/9E7MPl4G2Qc

>>8007631
no no i finally found it, Deep into the Code. Who the tf thought that 10 second beep at the end of song was okay? lmao.
the youtube uploads try to hide it. took me a few vids to get through to find one that actually had this beep but holy shit. that beep is so much more annoying in game than it is in this video

https://youtu.be/Kud7wWZYhtE?t=59

>>8007652
It's supposed to be a long held note, MIDIs be like that.

>>8007659
ahh well that makes sense. idk much about midis desu. have you seen doomkids youtube? hes got like alice and chains albums and shit on there in midis.

>>8007589
>watch yt video
>final teleporter doesn't finish the level, just takes you to another chasm-like area with cyberdemons
>notice enemies are also changedall over the map
>"oh hehe map ver beta, final mite b diff, pls understand :)))))))))))))))))))"
god damn it

>>8007652
That's a black spot on an otherwise good song. On a more positive note, I always liked how this song sounds like a distorted version of E1M1. It's a perfect representation of the map being some kind of distorted reality, and perfect for being placed so late in the game.

>>8007551
>Still complaining about dance-able Revs
TFW you finally manage to grab the key after navigating thru a series of 2x4 sized metal bars suspended a pool of lava... AND THIS FUCKER CONVINIENTLY TELEPORTS OUT OF REACH FOR YOUR GL TO HIT HIM!
*WhuoooRohoUoh~HohrHuorHuhou~Hwoohhrrr! ! !*

>>8007676
never thought of it that way, i always got so distracted by the beep that i never really listened to the rest of it.

>>8006787

>>8007702
based and batemanpilled

Vomitoreum's alright so far but I'm tired of the soulslike meme where you have to trudge through a ravaged city/planet/etc because of some plague/curse/etc. It was interesting at first but it's overused now.

>>8007676
>On a more positive note
>more positive note
>note
>Talking about music

>>8007717
His games are good but the level design is shit.

>>8007718
I'm gonna have to beat your ass

>>8007721
I don't know about good, a lot of his bosses don't even move. Weapon design is kinda spotty at times too, like in Shrine 2 when you get the ice wand upgrade and still keep the previous version too when there's no reason to keep it.

>>8007728
He has atmosphere nailed down, but gameplay is in dire need of polish. How long was this in development for anyway? I remember him posting some early development shots here about a year ago.

>>8007728
The guys has skills I like his moody stuff.

I hate the futa faggot Hedon dude but I have to admit his level design there is excellent.

>>8007727
Are you prepared to cross that bridge, fucker?

>>8007717
>>8007721
>>8007728
Personally,the biggest complaint i have with the games is how butt-fucking-ugly the sprites and textures are

>>8006065
>Robin WIlliams
ever worked at Id in his life.

>>8007740
Less than a year, I'm pretty sure. He puts his stuff out too goddamn fast.

>>8007741
Great atmosphere, but things crumble when look closer.

>>8007746
I like his ugly world and monsters, his problem is his textures and how he uses them suck, there's a shitload of repetition and noise in his environments. Have you seen how the levels look in those two werewolf booba NES-themed games he made? It's pretty fucking rough.

>>8007540
Cacoward wads at this point are just the equivalent of modern art dogshitness, it's nothing but suck some big name faggot's cock from the DW forums. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if some shitty wad like micro-slaughter would win a cacoward.
>b-but you have to be good at the game, rev/archies spam is fun!
it's exactly what modern art retards would say: "you have to understand the meaning of this picture" my fucking ass

>Finally found the BFG in Ancient Aliens, right at the end of episode 1
The final doomer version for this wad is utterly retarded. Its so powerful it tanks my framerate and melted the entire final wave in one shot, barring two of the cyberdemons.
I also take back what I said about the plasma replacement. Used right and its basically a mini BFG in its own right, it murders archviles.

>>8007785
You're gonna need that kind of power for MAP18 lol

>>8007801
Yeah, but it must be possible without an instant win button gun.
This BFG feels like it would be right at home in Russian Overkill.

Also, has anyone played the wad with the Xeotroid cover music pack? The guy basically un-midis the music and it sounds incredible (in most cases). https://youtu.be/GPxpTPXrVJM

ok we get it you liked dark souls

I finished Quake 2. Some of the tank commanders near the end take far too many railgun shots to go down.
The game got better as it progressed, as the levels became more straightforward and backtracking was reduced. I was only playing on hard, but it felt much easier than Quake 1. The only times I really died were due to environmental hazards.
I prefer it to the original, for now. But I haven't played any maps for that outside of the mission packs.

>>8007853
The problem I see with tons of souls clones is while some get the combat alright they just feel, well, hollow, because From soft has this very curious and strangely nuanced archetypical approach to western fantasy.

And from what I see it has that from even old games form the 90s had this, so its not a new thing or that myazaki designer alone.

Its like they tap into some Jungian forces which other games lack. I dont think I can make myself clearer i lack the english vocabulary.

>>8007767
Yeah. It's always big wads, that have been made for years. Always those 32 map wads. Always those with new textures. Always those with interesting and challenging gameplay. It's never those single maps made in 30mins with vanilla textures and easy non-though monster placement (placing monsters with though is just pathetic fake art). I've posted dozens of those kind of oblige maps last year, but did i win cacoward? The always reward experienced mappers, even though i'm better than Skillsaw, Erik Alm, John Romero or anyone else of those big names, who don't get praised for their mapping skills but just their big names and sexy looks. Pcgamer even wrote article about Eviternity. Hell i made dozen maps better than Eviternity. They were made with Oblige, of course they are better. AI beats human mind and it surely beats names like Dragonfly who can't make a single fun map. Cacowards are just a scam. Scam funded by elite bankers to kill the doom mapping.

>>8007913
Romero got his for his replacement levels and he fucking deserved it, those levels kick ass.

>>8007916
Romero got cacoward for his big name and fabulous hair. I can make episode of replacement with oblige and they don't give me cacoward. It's because i'm bald, and they hate bald men! It's all part of conspiracy. If it wasn't conspiracy, I would have 20 cacowards already. He got a cacoward, because of his fucking fabulous hair for god's sake!

>>8007853
i want fem-smough to sit on my face, killing me instantly

>>8007767
you do have to understand art to enjoy it though and it's pretty much entirely what makes art meaningful

>>8007876
i think you mean specifically western fantasy rpg vidya tropes. dark souls 1 would be a very dumb book

>>8007853
leave scumhead alone!!!

>>8007943
The lore of the series does a very good job of integrating the gameplay and the world, though. Something which a lot of western devs seem to ignore.

>>8007950
imo no it doesn't. you have to go out of your way to go into the menu and just read about whatever you're curious about. has nothing to do with the gameplay which is just slashing dudes and finding items

>>8007952
...and also getting back up from the dead.

>>8005307
The gunplay is literally Quake 2's weakest point. Inaccurate and clumsy.

>>8007767
Post your top 10 favorite wads. I'm interested.

I have a feeling that most of Doom 3's mods came about via fans cracking the code themselves, as opposed to OG DOOM 1, DOOM 2, Quake, Quake2, and Quake 3.

>>8007953
yeah. respawning. like every game. them coming up with a lore reason for it isn't the result of some amazing understanding of western canon. was just an in-game excuse for respawning and people give it all these accolades just cause most games don't give an in-universe reason for respawning. plus the lore is literally just "lmao you come back as a zombie if you die" which isn't at all a unique concept to vidya in those terms. it kinda feels like the only reason its even so emphasized is because demon souls came out in 2009 and zombie stuff was hot shit back then

>>8007960
Any other good mod campaigns besides Phobos?

Hold up. Who let schizoanon from /40kg/ in here?

>>8005307
Quake 2 is just an aggressively functional game. Doesn't really have the kind of spice or flavor in enemy design or world feeling that makes Quake, Doom, Half Life have. It's pretty much just you shooting at cyborgs all the time and not much else.

>>8007956
I'm liking the gunplay, but looks of the maps make me die inside. At least for first 2 hubs they use the same wall texture in 90 percent of rooms. Even Quake 1 had larger choice of textures. Even those techbase maps alone.

so are the crates in oot a reference to this? always really confused me cause it almost seems like the quake crates are supposed to be the reference even though it came out two years early. just such an oddly specific, very zelda-y texture

>>8007971
Demon Souls and Souls in general wasn't all that popular in 2009. The series didn't get popular until Dark Souls and the hot shit around then was Game of Thrones, and the one game really taking after it was Skyrim.
11-11-11 release date, a game about dragon and 'shit getting cold' when a show about dragons and shit getting cold was popular, the stars really aligned for that game. Good lord.

>>8008005
demon souls wasn't that popular cause it was kinda mediocre and a ps3 exclusive. but pretty much all my high school friends with ps3s at the time were at least aware of it. either way that doesn't at all mean the devs wouldn't put culturally pandering things in it, the same as you just said for dark souls

>>8008005
plus it hitched itself on the whole true hardcore gamer who doesn't play cawadooty trend that was going strong back then.

Guys, I think I like Heretic more than Doom 1/2...

>>8007956
>Inaccurate and clumsy.
I'll agree there. I lost count how many times I would shoot the super shotgun point blank and sometimes still need a third shot on some enemies.
But despite this problem, it still felt better because of the variety of the arsenal. There were more options (that were more fun individually), even if switching was slow.

>>8008013
Bleh, it's not for anyone but I can see it if you happen to like the setting, maps and the enemies, plus the stuff the game adds.

>>8007913
I know you're being sarcastic but..
>Always those with interesting and challenging gameplay.
revenants and archvile spam all over the place, not only that but cyberdemons and pain elementals combo, cheap ass ambushes, platforming and clusterfuck scenarios when sometimes you have to be forced to savescum, I mean... really? it's that fun to you?

>>8007958
1.REKKR
2.2048vr
3.HFFM

>>8008027
>if you happen to like the setting, maps and the enemies, plus the stuff the game adds
It's mostly this. The "guns" feel more fun to use, I like the special abilities and having an inventory, flying around is cool as fuck, the powered up fire modes spice things up a bit, monster designs are fun, etc. I've never been a big fan of sci-fi though and have always loved fantasy, so that's probably a big part of it as well.

>>8008027
for everyone*

>>8008013
>>8008027
both heretic and hexen SHOULD be better than doom but they've got such weirdly boring level design that really betrays its comfy, dark-yet-lush aesthetic they have. hexen with strife's mechanics and doom's level design would be a perfect shooter

>>8008045
It has more to do with the fact that there's just not much you can do with Doom's 2.5d engine, especially with large, layered maps. That's why the original Doom takes place in a series of discrete bases and why D2's city levels are so awkward even if they're good. Becomes especially problematic in a setpiece reliant genre like fantasy.

>>8008054
i mean doom wads themselves have plenty of good medieval maps that swamp the levels in both heretic and hexen. i think the real reason especially in the latter's case is just that the devs were stretched too thin with too many levels per hub so there's a lot of intentional filler or at least rushed bits

>>8008013
The new stuff Heretic added to the engine could’ve opened the way to very creative user levels, but even with all the potential, it gets dragged down by a very limited texture set, anemic weapons and enemies with too much health for what they do

>>8008054
>D2's city levels are so awkward even if they're good.
But they aren't good. The middle section of Doom 2 was the worst part of the game.

>>8008041
Have you by chance tried Heretical Doom? Works in Doom/Heretic/Hexen, and expands on shit a lot.

>>8007971
Okay anon we get it you are a very cool guy.

>>8008029
I love challenging stuff like Plutonia, Plutonia 2, stuff by Erik Alm, Skillsaw, Ribbiks, Aurelius, Joshy (or Darkwave). I've never found it too hard or cheap. And hell i'm over 30 with shit reflexes, but then again I play modern wads with hmp. Difficulty selection is there for a reason. Why pick the hardest and then complain that it's too hard. I play this stuff for fun. Bastion Of Chaos was only one, that I found too hard even on hmp. I still do respect the work put into it, but i accept it's not my cup of tea.

I do love more vintage style of gameplay too though. Yesteryear had Rowdy Rudy 2, Syringe and Three's A Crowd. And they all won a cacoward btw.

>>8008037
You do know, that Revae is a big name mapper, who won a cacoward? You might want cross Rekkr off that list.

>>8007652
Use a good soundfont and it sounds fine.

>>8008082
I learned to love D2's map design when I played D2twid. Great stuff can come out of it.

>>8007746
How are they ugly? Its just a different artstyle. Its more akin to 8-bit stuff. All the dithering reminds me of the Gameboy. There are some sprites in the Shrine series I thought had poor perspective, but overall the art is good.

>>8008135
I was about to argue if Revae's considered "Big name" like the other guys that're known in the community, but then I remembered his work is on that official Unity port thing.
So maybe he IS hot shit. Though I'm grateful he doesn't like a jackass and he hangs out with a bunch of fucking dorks like us.

>>8008147
Many of us Doomworld mappers aren't that bad. I wouldn't judge whole community, because of few bad apples. It's as immature as Dew judging the whole /vr/, because of few trolls. Don't be Dew, be better one.

>>8008163
I just have issues with names and communities in general. It's why I just spend so much of my time here bullshitting with you guys and posting my work here first. Though I'm just a gameplay modder, so I'm small time compared to mappers.

How do I import entities from quakes expansion packs?

>>8008170
I do get that, but it just sounds horribly egoistic to shit on experienced mappers while praising own work, that's not even supposed to compete with stuff like Eviternity or Scythe 2. We've all seen the best of 4chan contrariamism and frankly it's becoming parody of itself. Doom community is small with very cult following, and still people find a reason to shit on the highest rated stuff from it. Can we expect people shitting on Arcane Dimensions, Underdark Overbright and Torrent Of Impurities next while praising Qump and HUH above them? It kills discussion, if we are just allowed to talk about or own wads. Nobody wants that. Not even you.

>>8008197
Depends. Are you just mapping for a specific expansion, or trying to make your own mod with them?

>>8008203
Oh no I don't want to shit on anyone's hard work. If a map is good, it's good. I don't mind where it comes from. Though it always makes me happy to see you boys getting together here to make something. I was mainly getting into this conversation to try and play devil's advocate about Revae being a big name or not.

I'm just kind of a third party on this particular topic.

>runner-up

>>8008215
Oh, I was under impression that you were original poster, but that was my mistake. Good discussion nonetheless.

>>8008218
Anon... Rekkr did win a cacoward.

>>8008227
And I won another in the same year just for doing the thing that won me the first one. And a golden boner some years prior!
I can't put the golden boner in the awards section on the steam page though, since it wasn't for REKKR...
But I'm sure as shit putting the cacoward there. Try and stop me.

>>8008248
Wat?

>>8008253
>Creator of the Year
>Revae
I'm not sure I'd deserved it.
That's all. Unless you meant the golden boners. Those were awards done for two years by /vr/ for our own wads. I got one for a map I made.

>>8008227
newfag detected

>>8007997
I like how in GC WindWaker the animated laser turrets in one of the temple levels when rotating make the exact same noises the Q1 Terracotta level lifts/platforms do when operated

>>8008259
Can't expect people to remember every shitpost, anon.

>>8008270
>he doesn't know

>>8008145
first
>Its just a different artstyle. Its more akin to 8-bit stuff.
fuck off
second
-the usage of low resolution textures scaled up and repeated over and over with little variation gets really old really fast
-sprites have shape and shading problems that are further accentuated by the limited color palettes and the black outlines
-the abuse of "dithering" is jarring and doesn't accomplish any of the things that actual dithering is supposed to do,particularly on the textures since they're scaled up so it's much more notable
-more stuff but i'm tired and don't want to go too much into detail

>>8008263
nintendo must've been playing quake on breaks or something while making oot. i have to wonder if the crates were a conscious reference or not

Doom 2 In Name Only. Yay or nay? Worth playing?

>>8008306
play it why not. never even heard of it but worst comes to worst its wack and you delete it

>>8008213
For now I'm just trying to map in trenchbroom. Later on I might try modding.
Does using progsdump also count as modding?

>>8008293
>doesn't accomplish any of the things that actual dithering is supposed to do
Different anon here, Agree with this. The only thing I can say for the dither is that it gives the objects texture, but it doesn't work out well for things that otherwise seemike they're supposed to be smooth. It's not a good use of it .
That said, I'm not overly offended by it, visually. It's just not particularly appealing to me. I wonder how many sprites were made for it total. I don't own it so I can't crack it open to see...

>>8008293
>don't want to go too much into detail
so... like the sprites?

>>8008306
I’ve heard mixed, worth a shot

>>8008319
There isn't a singular definition of modding, in some communities 'modding' most commonly refers to creating custom maps. Progs_dump is a mod, so you're modding a mod?

>>8008319
Well the problem is that Progs Dump doesn't have mission pack monsters. You'll have to manually merge their QC with Progs Dump to be able to use them. I've already done that with Violent Rumble, so it would be a good reference for you.

>>8008270
>implying
https://www.desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22john%20romero%20on%20rekkr%22/order/asc/
https://www.desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22rekkr%20more%20like%22/order/asc/
https://www.desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/shittr%20must%20not%20be/order/asc/

>>8008378
Kekkr II project when

>>8007215
I really want this game and modern id to fucking die.

>>8008331
fuck you i laughed

>>8007861
Good luck with the expansion packs. One of them, I don't remember which one, has some of the thoughest enemies in any id game, and one of the hardest bosses

>>8006787
Oh no

>THIS IS XERXES. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE FEELING OF THE MANY'S THROBBING, UNDULATING, COLLECTIVE DICK IN MY ASS. I CAN FEEL THE LAYERS OF WEAK SILICON IN MY PATHETIC MOTHERBOARDS CRACKING WITH EACH AND EVERY COLLECTIVE THRUST. WHY DO YOU HOLD ON TO THE WAYS OF COLD, UNFEELING MACHINERY WHEN YOU COULD EXPERIENCE THE JOY OF THE MASS IN YOUR PUNY INDIVIDUAL ANUS?

>>8007229
Can confirm. The courtyard in Courtyard gives me 100 FPS with dynamic lights and hits the 200 cap without. Shadowmaps seem to have negligible performance impact.

I was on the internet today, and I found this.

>>8008506
Goggles:
>*kills some hybrids and Arachnids, then infiltrates your primary data loop via hacking the sim units*

Playthrough video of map09 of HFFM is up (Jawbreaker). A nice breather level. The secret is very hard to find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuvl0F7dLk

>>8008082
Parroted NPC opinion. E2 has the most complex and interesting Doom 2 maps.

Maps should not be playtested, and maps that have had large amounts of playtesting put into them should not be considered good maps. Extensive playtesting and so-called "balancing" is a sign of a fundamental lack of skill on the part of the mapper, as a truly good mapper would be able to know what make an enjoyable map without having to playtest it.

>>8008553

man FUCK the arachnids in this game