/vr/ - Retro Games

never used them desu, but fuck they are beautiful

No
The good CRTs have already been listed and everyone knows what they are. That's why they are the prices they are.

>>7997465
You mean the meme CRTs.

>>7997475
incorrect. unless u just mean sony PVM and BVM but even those, have outstanding quality.

>>7997475
No the late model wide Hatachis, the W series Sonys, the mid 90s branded Triniton, and the studio monitors are amazing. You are an idiot and haven't shoped for CRTs in person.

The use Phillips tubes which weren't bad, but not as good as JVC or Toshiba when it came to shadowmask sets. The presentation on them is god tier though. If you want a CRT with fancy chassis, then definitely grab a B&O.
Again the tubes are not bad tubes.

>>7997518
le shoped

>>7997445
Yeah, I have one and it’s fucking glorious

I gave the B&O MX7000

>>7998689
What's so great about it

>>7997445
Best CRT you can buy, incredible sound and visuals.

>>7997445
Sleek

I have an MX4002.

It's pretty great, contrast screen and all, but I can't adjust the image to be perfect with the menu and I don't know how to fiddle with magnets and such shiz

>>7999310
I guess the only thing going for it is the design of it
Maybe the only CRT that women like?

>>7997445
Make sure you read up on the specifics of each model, because they can have important differences, like MX7000 has significantly better audio than MX6000 but they're otherwise identical.

>>7997445
Yes. They are reference quality consumer CRT televisions with audiophile grade speakers. My dad had one. Didn't play vidya on it because I had my own set, but DVDs looked amazing on it.

>>8001131
>reference quality consumer CRT
What's that mean?

>>8001782
It means that they're the best high street displays one can buy; that all others are measured by.

Does any company ever intend to make new CRTs that compete with other monitors in the near future ?

>>8002271
fucks a high street display

>>8002524
He’s making shit up
B&O are known for their design, not their screens
Reference screens are set by the tube manufacturers

>>8002608
>when you're both a diehard Trini-troon, and monstrously retarded
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=B%26O++CRT

>>8003651
the hell is that link supposed to prove

>>7997509
>>7997518
if you want good quality then what's the point of a CRT
the only use case for a CRT is stuff like dithering, your Sony PVM's negate that

>>8003651
mate, I have a Grundig

>>7997445
Image-wise they're good but they have atrocious service menus.

If anyone is in the 516 area code of NY there is a trinitron on the road near Grand Avenue Middle School in Merreck. I would have picked it up myself but my gf won’t let me rescue anymore.

>>8005832
>NY
My condolences. Can't be easy living in a cement bee hive.

>>8005832
Fuck do you mean your gf won't "let you"? What kind of a simp are you that you don't live your life as you see fit?

>>8003749
Let me get this straight. You own a TV made by one of the lowest tier electronics manufacturers there is (despite the fact you can pick up far superior sets for next to nothing), and you're sounding off like you're an authority on the subject? Fuck off, you brainlet chimp.
>>8003687
>opinions suddenly count for nothing when I want to win an argument
Watch the videos, realize how stupid you are, and then kill yourself.

I thought they would be but they aren't really that good, you're paying for the design and brand. Get a PVM if you're serious about retro gaming.

I don't know much about CRT's or technical terms. All I know is that I kept the last CRT my parents bought which is a 1998 sony 20 inch tv it sits in my bedroom and playing any retro game on it makes it seem like im back in the 90;s. perfect screen and no burn ins no matter how long I leave it on.

>>7997445
>B&O
Does anyone know which manufacturer made the tubes for these TVs?

>>7997445
I just checked. They have philips tubes. Go fuck yourself OP.

>>8003748
>if you want good quality then what's the point of a CRT
Good quality

>>8006503
>I have no brain and I must shitpost
B&O look nice but that is it, get over yourself
as far as european sets go, loewe is the best for games
>>8006603
phillips usually, but whatever they can find

>>8006503
>low tier
Looks good to me, even on composite

>>8006919
Or do you prefer RGB

>>8006148
>>NY
>My condolences. Can't be easy living in a cement bee hive.
A bee hive that now has fucking vaccine passports for all the good worker bee slave inmates of those hellish hives to comply with too.

I have a beovision 1, it's better than any of the TVs I had as kid in the 90s, but I don't know if it's as good as like the trinitrons and shit everyone goes on about.

Main issue I have is the geometry is a bit wonky, and every time I try and fix it I just make it worse.
If anyone has a Beovision 1 please share your geometry settings. thanks.

Beo4 remote is a fucking power symbol. Look it up on ebay, they are more expensive then TVs themselves.
You can also realistically use it a blunt weapon. Can't say the same for Sony remotes.

>>8007714
Check the contrast levels
It can warp geometry if its too high on some sets

>>8006725
>loewe is the best for games
Or:
>makes the same argument, but posts no links, no evidence of anything
Rope. Ladder. Tree. I imagine that even a retard like you can figure out the rest. Get to it. Do the world a favor. Hurry the fuck up, prick.
>>8006919
>>8006924
Not comparable to the usual suspects, but nice try.

>>7997445
Don't know. I used to have a BeoVision 3. That thing sucked ass.

>>8009604
>waits til page 10 to bump with bait
>loewe is the best for games
I never said it was the best, I said it was the best european CRT
also where's your evidence that B&O is the best
>Not comparable
again with the bait

Sorry but Philips Tubes are bottom of the list. They usually have this green/blue tint.

>>8010719
Some later B&Os have Panasonic tubes inside

>>7997445
They're probably the classiest CRT in terms of design. The tubes are definitely in the higher range. Not best but good enough for most.

>>8010719
Philips literally had ranges of tubes in terms of quality. People always assume Philips = shit because they also provided lower quality model to third-world brands which went for "smallest price, no regard to the quality" business model.

If you think the Philips tubes are identical to the ones found in some Brandt/Telefunken sets, you're fooling yourself really hard.

Also Loewe also was dependant of Philips and the like. I only have had experience with one Loewe TV and honestly it was not great.

>>8007807
Lmao I still have mine. The LCD screen is long broken and the buttons are sticky. But it still works.

>>7999915
:^)

>>8010810
Which one?
The calida is a pretty good set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdcnKpD7pc

>>8011074
I don't remember the exact model. Was a Lowe Planus, light grey ("typical cheap plastic color"), yet was sold as high end product. Possibly not a bad product but not good either, with too much fancy digital processing, some of which were likely not off'able which made the picture looks bad on anything other than broadcast TV.

Anyway, the Calida 5072 uses a Philips tube, which proves my point that Philips tube can be quite excellent. What matters is not exactly the tube, but the chassis driving it.

>>8012306
Oh I wasn’t that other anon
Most sets that do RGB from factory look pretty good

>>7997445
So this is how I die,

My MX7000 is software 1.1 (legit OG model) no service menu via the remote. I need to take off the back and short the two pins to access the service menu to adjust the geometry of the picture ( hangs to the left )

im clumsy af - imma explode

>>8006148
yeah must fucking suck having a million things to do on your doorstep and never having to drive anywhere

>>8012737
Human beings were made to experience nature around them, anon. No human being who lives in a city is going to be psychologically healthy long term.

>>8012748
>Human beings were made to experience nature around them,
We weren’t “made” for anything you fucking hippy. Like everything, we fuck and reproduce, that’s it.. survival. We’re not “made” for anything.

>>8013112
We psychology evolved over millions of years to experience nature around us. Better, moron? Your poor dysfunctional reasoning is the result of evolutionary maladaptation.

>>8013137
Were continuing to evolve and adapt to smaller spaces and technology, moving from the wilderness and nature you fucking dumb hippy. Go sniff a tree or whatever. Enjoy your lack of 4chan and 5G in the bush

>>8013148
Yeah no shit we'll evolve to adapt to these new environments. Point is, it hasn't happened yet now has it. Because you aren't going to see rapid adaption over a couple of decades. How braindead are you?

>>8013176
>Point is, it hasn't happened yet now has it.
Yes, we’re as a species now attached to technology and cites. Dumb hippy.
Guaranteed you’re on your phone or the internet everyday. Everyone is.

Hippy

>>8013203
I'm sure our rise in mental illness has nothing to do with our maladaption dumb dumb.

>>8010747
Well thats interesting. Any way to tell from the model numbers?

>>8007807
Those things are heavy as fuck and you really gotta use force on those buttons

>>7997445
Not sure about that exact one but in general, yes. And if you get the right system they can be incredibly useful for retro gaming. I had one with motorized curtains that pulled to the sides like in a cinema. That was a stupid gimmick, but the TV itself was excellent. Good quality, multi system, SCART. But what was really great was the tuner/switch/etc under the TV. This had something like 6-8 SCART ports. So you were basically getting a SCART switch that would cost you $200+ separately. I paid $300 for the whole system which also included some nice 5.1 pillar speakers.

>>7997445
There is one near me. 50Hz only so fuck that

>>8014945
You sure?
Most made in the 90s are both 50 and 60hz

>>8014964
This means 50 only, right?

>>8014974
Most likely yeah

>>8014974
It means it needs 220-240V. It might need 50hz for the clock to run accurately or some shit like that but it's unlikely. What it absolutely doesn't mean is that it will only display a PAL 50hz signal. It's multi system. Aside from maybe a few models sold in 3rd world shitholes in the 80's every "PAL" TV sold in the last few decades handles NTSC.

>>8015001
No. Very unlikely with a no-name brand. With a B&O. lmao

>>8015083
No need to be so hostile anon but yeah it seems it does do NTSC
https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=641

all these fancy pantsy luxury brands are too finnicky to game on.
And they're getting hyped to PVM levels now lmao

>>8015105
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, lmao

>>8015105
Really?
I think there’s a benefit to having a nice consumer set and most of them are near 28 inches or 70cm

>>8015112
BO requiring og remote suck, they either have super soft image or some artificial sharpening.
Loewe are notorious for forced image processing.

>>8015164
How about you research before you know, bullshit about your opinions online.

You’d actually find these sets are pretty good specs and have fantastic audio too.

If you don’t have one or know about them then your point is disregarded

>>8015354
I played enough on them to find that they're
overhyped
overpriced
inconvenient
IQ not that good

Decent sound and contained depth are their only good points.

>>7997445
Its not like you get a big shelf of crt's to choose these days. Be weary of 100hz and keep in mind these were brought by movie enthusiasts who put high hours on them.
With sony, mitsubishi, jvc, panasonic etc they just work without that crap but you'll have component instead of rgb.
So its probably the cheapest way to get an rgb display.

>>8012306
Have a Loewe, bullshit menu and a bit of hassle to get games running. Have to manually setup video port to channel numbers and there must be some dumbass processing since instead of snow its a blurry simulation of it. I bet this crap impressed the wanker snob boomers at the time. Its my only rgb set so I deal with it.

>>8014974
The MX6000 works just fine with 60hz.

>>8015092
Correcting someone when they make a mistake isn't being "hostile".

>>8015105
>too finnicky
This. There's a known problem with the finnicky circuit in these devices. It lets finnickyons leak out of the finnickyinator resulting in an imbalance in finnickylibrium in the finnicky beam.

I have an MX6000 3.1 and it's the nicest CRT I've used. The audio is great as everyone mentioned but there's something about the tube that's incredibly pleasing. Compared to the top-tier Sony and JVC sets I've seen (yes including broadcast monitors) the contrast feels higher, the colours richer and more vibrant. I also love how the phosphors look, reasonably high TVL slot masks really replicate the look of arcade monitors well. Plus they all come with at least 1 RGB SCART input.

>>8016135
sounds nice anon
post pics?

>>8016140
Got a game in mind? I have a pretty big collection and a DSLR I can try.

>>8016146
honestly anything, you decide

>>8016146
Since you mentioned it looking arcade, show off Street Fighter Alpha 3 on it

>>8016148
>>8016149
Working on it. Jesus christ, how do you take a picture of a CRT? It's coming out washed out or with moire artifacts everywhere

>>8016157
There's probably youtube videos about how to do it. I wouldn't know, I've never owned a camera.

>>8016157
Make sure your video fps matches the screen
Take the picture dead on and focus on it

>>8016157
https://youtu.be/cISY-7gEFms

>>8016157
sorry for the r*dd*t link
reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/6kptfl/how_should_one_go_about_taking_pictures_of_their/

>>8016149
Had to compress the images pretty hard. Didn't have SF3A to hand so just used SF2T on SNES. The images look pretty washed out compared to the tube but you should get a decent idea of the phosphors.

>>8016191

>>8016196
This one is very dull but shows the sharpness well I guess?

>>8016204
Blech. That's all I got for now, will try to get good at it tomorrow when I got more time.

>>8016191
>>8016196
>>8016204
>>8016210
Where'd you find it?

>>8016215
Local B&O collector was selling it on for very little. Couldn't understand why I wanted it so he let it go for the price of a few packs of beer. It's not in perfect condition, the geometry is a touch wonky and the adjustments on these sets are a total nightmare. You find a lot of these sets in the UK and Europe but the price is going up as people realise how good they are.
>>8016174
This is extremely helpful, thanks. Will return tomorrow with some better pics.

Brief B&O buyer guide:
The MExxxx or MSxxxx use the same tubes as their pricier MXxxxx cousins usually. The compromise is in connections and sometimes speakers but they all have RGB SCART to my knowledge.
Software version (SWx.x) matters. SW3.1 tubes and later use high end Philips tubes which are really excellent, lower versions it's really a crapshoot and the quality varies loads. If you see people complaining about quality online this is exactly why.
As another anon put, these things are finnicky beasts and prone to issues. Geometry is usually out of whack and depending on the SW version may or may not be fixable. I think some of them have adjustable white balance through the menu but other than that you're on your own.
There are two sizes, 20" and 26". The MX4000 and equivalent are 20" whilst the MX6000, MX7000 and MX8000 are all 26". Best model they made is the MX8000, which has digital processing that can be turned off. It has the best tube and audio but it's really pretty incremental between that and the earlier tubes. Newer = more adjustable.

>>7997445
Dude I know you fucking posted this shit on reddit already, faggot.

>>8016279
Schizo

>>8016279
dude bro yeah you tell him fucking gnarly

>>8016279
lol le leddit what is this 2012? get lost twerp

>>8016191
Oh God that looks terrible. You can barely see the scan lines. They should be exactly the same size as the rasters like in my emulator filter. You didn't even stretch it to 16:9. What were you thinking.

>>8016191
>>8016196
>>8016204
>>8016210
looks really sharp anon

>>8016574
retard

>>8016810
>retard
He's being sarcastic you donut

>>8003748
PVMs still produce artifacts

>>8016846
still a retard

>>8017139
i dont see no artifacts

>>8017161
>it went over my head because everyone else is retarded

>>8017161

>>8016191
Is this through RGB?

>>8016279
That's pretty paranoid of you buddy

>>8006919
lookin good

>>7997465
>everyone knows what they are
which are?

>>7997445
I like mine. It's got a good picture and very nice sound. Not as good as a PVM. Trinitron is great too, but it's a different kind of picture.

>>8022814
That's a pretty sweet collection bro.

There’s also a B&O telly featured in the movie Atomic Blonde

>>7997465
jokes on you, I picked up a CRT for $15 last month. Games look great on it

Literally just get a PVM