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to this

I'll give you a hint
>I hate Zelda!

>>7995808
>>7995812
A combination of good taste and a horrible miscalculation of the fandom's

People whining for darker LoZ gave us TP which sucked ass.
And then they've said "what if TP, but more like WW?", and that sucked ass as well.
Also, WW style is closer to LttP and 1 than this dark shit.

>>7995812
That artstyle was based. Too bad the gale was pretty barbones, the boat shit gets old fast, not enough big places to visit (bigger island is the 1st on which sucks) too many fetch quests too.

>>7995919
>¥10 has been deposited into your account by Nintendo

>>7995919
The N64 Zelda fanbase is the worst, no question.

Out of all the things to complain about for Wind Waker, why do people focus on the art?

>>7995957

>>7995960
he was right

Wind Waker's art was a result of focus group testing. Nintendo found out that their fanbase is largely pedophiles, so they made Link a cute shota.

>>7995968
thanks game, very cool

What game is this?

I've never touched WW because of the disgusting art.
Why did Nintendo foresake us? Did OoT and MM not sell well?

>>7995812
Because we didn't actually know what we wanted when we first saw the GC demo.

Thank goodness, I say, Wind Waker looks amazing.

>>7995812
It's called "good taste" and it's something that happens to companies after they hire competent people.

>>7995968
>look mom I posted it again

>>7996271
hi anon's mom

>>7996072
They sold like shit because of the terrible art. WW only sold because of the art.

>>7996284
wind waker is peak graphics over game play

>>7995808
From that? You never had that.

>>7995808
Before seeing it in action people thought wind waker was going to look a lot shittier based on screenshots.

Going by screenshots in magazines I seriously thought Nintendo threw some unshaded balls and cylinders into a 3D program and was going to call that good and sell it to you.

>>7996325
Look at this shit and imagine that's all you have to go by, no video.

>>7995808
its called Iwata and his kiddy mandate. Iwata is dead now. Zelda games can (but won't) prosper and the Switch one seems a step forward, although 2 or 3 steps back from that og image.

The switch has too many beta guys playing it, this ensures a game like your original tease pic related never happens, said audience hates gritty-ness and fantasy of old, specially if inspired by "European devils' culture", so expect more dumbed down colorful Zeldas that make little to no sense if you know history and fantasy books, in the future.

>>7995950
>>7995954
>furiously jerks it to midna

>>7995808
>third Hero of Time game with Koizumi at the helm will never ever happen
why do you need to remind me

>>7995808
the art is so shit i didn't touch the game for years because i thought a game with a terrible art style like this gotta be garbage then i decided to give it a shot perhaps i was wrong and it turned out to be the most boring bland and awful Zelda game i ever played
i guess you can judge a book by it's cover after all

>>7995826

>>7996284
Ww also sold like shit because
>the gamecube itself sold like shit
>wind waker is a bad, unfinished game that didn't deserve to sell.

>>7996515
>>wind waker is a bad, unfinished game that didn't deserve to sell.
I heard that this is due to Iwata holding Aonuma's team to their original deadline for once instead of granting them several extensions.

>>7996332
As much as I hate the game, BOTW completely debooonks your post. It is a plagiarized SotC clone with all the "mature" shit people always wanted Zelda >>7996332
to be. You are a dumbass

Nintendo sabotaged all of their franchises during the Cube era and then had the gall to wonder why the console flopped.
>Legend of Zelda Hero of Time 3
>3D Mario that focuses on traditional platforming
>Star Fox 64 2
>a new Donkey Kong Country game that wasn't controlled by bongos
Gamecube had other problems, but it definitely wouldn't have hurt to have games that people actually wanted to play.

>>7995968
the /vr/ version of this

>>7995808
>>7995812
It's like I'm really in the year 2001 still surrounded by 15 year olds absolutely terrified of being caught enjoying cartoon art. Thank you for the flashback OP

>>7996372
I miss Saria like you wouldn't believe.

>>7995826
Aonuma was the best thing to ever happen to Zelda, and the art direction of WW was Miyamoto's gig.

>>7995919
TP had far better art direction than WW, also even though it was a 4/10 game overall that's still much better than WW.

>>7996530
You heard nothing and you're just making shit up. The director of a game doesn't even have authority to set deadlines, that's literally the producer's job.

Fan reaction to WW gave us a soulless made-by-committee game directly afterward that wasn't up to par.

I'm glad that even after TP, they still didn't decide to permanently render the series into strict but reliable clones of the last one like so many AAA studios do. Some of the experiments suck a thousand dicks (Skyward Sword) or barely see play (FSA) but at least you see creativity in it, and then you get successful experiments like WW and BotW out of it.

>>7995808
>>7995812
Mistakes were made

>>7996332
What the actual fuck are you talking about

>>7996530
2002 was a tense year for nintendo. the gamecube was already flopping and they had to force their two biggest properties out the door, both a full year before they would have been complete.

>>7996743
>WW gave us a soulless made-by-committee game directly afterward
minish cap and four swords adventures?

I was never bothered by the art style of Wind Waker, it was the lack of content that really bothered me.

>>7995919
>People whining for darker LoZ gave us TP which sucked ass.
TP wasn't what we wanted obviously, Nintendo just really sucks ass is all.

>>7996210
>we didn't actually know what we wanted
we wanted a 1 on 1 sword fight with ganon with the hero of time in updated visuals

>>7996592
those sound dreamy

>>7996734
>Aonuma was the best thing to ever happen to Zelda
no, he kept jamming in prologues and making puzzles easier, Miyamoto is the one who wanted to just set you lose in a world to go poking and prodding around

>>7995812
they wanted to try something different for the artstyle and make it more appealing to children. they soon found that their core fanbase is bitchy manchildren who want to play the same game over and over 20 times

>>7996883
>bitchy manchildren who want to play the same game over and over 20 times
yeah, those damn entitled fans expecting another good game like every game prior to wind waker

>>7996883
i just don't get it man, anyone overly praising wind waker is such a nitwit i swear

In some (better) timeline, all the Legend of Zelda demos became the official release version of the game. And they are better than what we got. All of them, even the N64 LoZ beta demo.

https://youtu.be/oav_0MiyJpA

>>7996924
i'd be down for pretty much all of it except the n64 one, what exactly about that screams better and not ps1 knockoff

>>7997030
>what exactly about that screams better and not ps1 knockoff

That animation for sure, including the kick in which Link gains momentum to strike with the sword. Brown hair Link is not bad either, specially with the flat polys and solid colors. Maybe it needs some retouches on that face texture but I dig it more than what we got.

>>7996883
The only Zelda games that play like other existing Zelda games are the ones made by Capcom. I guess LttP can be considered just a strict "upgrade, change nothing" of Zelda 1 but if that's the case then it's an upgrade big enough to warrant it.

Wind Waker just sucks, deal with it.

>>7997070
yeah, i always say that graphics could stop at around 5th or 6th gen and that animations should improve, tired up increasing the texture maps and polygon count over adding fluidity to the games

ya know WW would be fine if they bothered to make any fucking dungeons for it

>>7996692
I love cartoons. 90% of my consumed media is animated. but windwaker looks like shit.

>>7997130
Nah they actually need to add content to the sailing. Picking a random area, finding a fish to fill in your map for you, and then going to the obvious island that it has so you can get your 20 rupees for going into its cave is boring as fuck. Fighting on the water sucks and there's a reason the game just lets you sail past everybody, even the sharks trying to knock you off your boat can just be ignored.

>>7996730
The Saria story gets sadder as you get older, because you realize how many of your friends are now just memories from your childhood. And that's BEFORE you think about the "what if" scenarios of romantic implications of childhood friendships that never came to pass as you grew older.

>>7997248
well that wouldve been nice too
but imo the relative emptiness of the ocean couldve been totally forgiven if there were more than a handful of proper dungeons to break it up

like in OoT, hyrule field is similarly empty, with not much to do outside check a few grottos. but its not really that big an issue as most of the game doesnt have you wandering hyrule field aimlessly. and even the time spent traversing it doesnt seem anywhere near as droll as WWs sailing because that time was bracketed by some really fun dungeons
imo, if WW had more dungeons, its legacy of "too much water" would be all but forgotten

>>7996734
>You heard nothing and you're just making shit up. The director of a game doesn't even have authority to set deadlines, that's literally the producer's job.
Look, keyboard warrior, I know what I fucking heard. Whether it's true or not is another matter entirely. Eat shit.

>>7996692
Add my anime and RPG geocities to your webring please (also vote Sephiroth for best villain GameFAQs thanks).

>>7996734
>Aonuma was the best thing to ever happen to Zelda

>>7996734
>and the art direction of WW was Miyamoto's gig.
https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/legend-of-zelda/a514707/zelda-wind-waker-art-style-was-kept-a-secret-from-shigeru-miyamoto/

>>7995835
>>7995948
>>7996210
>>7996258
>>7996692
Very obvious samefag.
>You only don't like Windwaker because you're mad that it has a cartoony artstyle!
Neck yourself.

>>7997764
>Windwaker zoomie making up nonsense to defend his terrible childhood game.
How surprising.

>>7997764
All he's doing is riffing on Marvelous: Mōhitotsu no Takarajima repeatedly. Some of the characters even seem similar- https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/shvc/p_avrj/index.html

>>7997782
Argue in good faith or go plague another thread. Anon has sauce and you have none, schizo.

>>7997782
This is actually the crux of the argument. It's the idiots whining that people were put off by the awful art style and therefore didn't play this amazing game that actually everyone played and didn't like because it was bad.

You know what else? If people didn't play the game that shouldn't have a children's art style because it has a children's art style, then those people are right. It's stupid and not at all unique or interesting.

>>7997808
>actually everyone played and didn't like because it was bad.
I liked it fine. I'd give it a seven, seven-and-a-half outta ten.

>>7995808
>more than half the first page in mainstream nintendo shit
Can you stupid faggots just get your own board already? Nothing gets attention because of you turbo aspie manchildren.

>>7995808
boomer here, I still remember seeing those preview screens for the first time just before gamecube came out.

what a fucking farce.

>>7997815
Sorry, but you aren't everyone. This is a discussion about the crowd's reaction to WW (because it's a bad game) and the whiny fanbase's constant reaction that it's because awfully misplaced art direction was somehow really what's going on.

>>7997850
Nah, it was pretty badass.

It's easy to forget that Wind Waker's first trailer was not publically available and was terrible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7riCXrDxY

and Nintendo's stance at the time was "NOOOOO YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT".

>>7995812
Turning Zelda into the cel shaded abomination it is today starting with this was such a huge fucking mistake. Ditching OoT/MM art style to go in this direction probably contributed to me never buying a Nintendo system again after N64.

>>7996360
Hmm, good idea

>>7996692
basically and then you have those same faggots whine about twilight princess being too much like OOT.

zelda fans basically don't know what they want.

>>7997826
what do you want to talk about, nigger?

>>7995968
This is insulting, even for a child.

>>7997897
>don't know what they want
such a fucking meme
see>>7996857

>>7997897
>basically and then you have those same faggots
Just another example of >>7997808. People think TP is a mediocre game because it is, nothing more or less. Oh but supposedly there's more to this and people are all hung up about things when really, it's just WW fans still being mad that people noticed their favorite Zelda game is bad.

>>7997926
i'm really pissed that there's hardly any detail in the cel shaded graphics, and fans claim it ages better or is timeless, there's no heart in the game's visuals

>>7997926
>their favorite Zelda game is bad.
Is it *really*, though? I'd say it was above average.

>>7997926
>People think TP is a mediocre game because it is, nothing more or less.
So, you were expecting an 8 or 9. It really is all about people managing their expectations, isn't it?

>>7997947
So really just you're a projecting moron, isn't it?

>>7997957
I mean, it was fine, for a Zelda game.

>>7995808
>>7995812
to this?

>>7997967
Holy fuck, is Link starting a course of the 'mones now too?

>>7995919
Turns out Zelda games all suck and nintendorks are just retarded.

>>7995960
>with the new graphics, it looks like the game won't have the same depth as [previous games]
Summarizes the industry for the past 20 years.

>>7996332
This. When are we going to get a Zelda game with mature graphics like Call of Duty?

>>7997773
>No-no-nooo you can NOT like that game I don't like all of you m-m-must be the same person!!!... r-right??
You're a weakling. A dork dreaming for a DARK, MANLY and GLOOMY Link to caress you at night. It's been like 15 years, get over it, Nerd.

>>7995812
One of the single most disappointing gaming moments I ever had in my life, if not the actual greatest.

>7996453
>(You)

It could look like PreCure and as long as it has good dungeons and good side content, I’d play it.

>>7998641
this
no dungeons
no play

>>7997926
>"it's bad because people on 4chan say it's bad"
FTFY

>>7995812
Many poor choices. Unfortunately the result was the worst 3d zelda game.

>>7996592
At least with F-Zero they killed that franchise by making a game so good they could never top it.

>>7999189
with skyward sword being remade wind waker really is the worst one now, not even hyperbole

>>7999296
Who needs to be challenged with a new F-Zero when the last one can just become physically impossible to beat?

>>7999296
>>7999754
F-zero is fucking cringe garbage shite that plebs love because it lets you slide along the fucking walls with no real punishment, the music is faggy buttrock and the style is goofy as fuck. If you want an actually good futuristic racer go play Wipeout which had the work of the absolutely spectacular designers republic and god tier music along with high level time attacking requiring extreme learning and flawless execution with literally no leniency like f-queero, the racer for cunts on the tit who need dorky characters in onesies and muh speed to remind them of the fairground absent dad never took them to and because crossing the line in phallic gokarts sub conciously satisfies the pussy they aren't getting in their sorry meaningless lives.

>>7996924
Who would play a Zelda themed Darksouls?
Difficult, Imagine fighting two Iron Knuckles with super rare black fire bombchu? and without any, having to get your parry dead on to beat them.

>>7995812
Too many dweebs that's how

>>7997230
Rick & Morty and Family Guy don't count.

>>8000965

There is no need for a LoZ game to borrow Darksouls's aesthetics but difficulty related to combat could improve some more for sure.

>>7999767
I'm sorry you don't have anything else to do with your time.

>>8000965
Maximizing the hard boss battles would be just what the Doctor ordered. A darker Link, the green on his tunic having faded with all the blood stains. A haunted look in his eyes brutal hatred for the pig demon Gannon, shared with the player who would have gone through the ordeal with him. Yes.?

>>7996332
>European devils' culture
European devils' culture the fuck?!

>>7997773
>muh samefag
The ultimate cope

>>8002660
I genuinely believe 3D combat peaked in Zelda with the n64 titles. Not saying it was great or even that good but the quick strafing, the enemies having (generally) your same capabilities with a few others thrown in, and the simple swordplay was much better than all the QTE button prompt parry we've gotten sense. I think BotW is actually a step in the right direction, but the flurry you can do after dodging is super overpowered and breaks the flow of combat.

>>7997889
lol they did the literal polar opposite with twilight princess but you probably have a reason to bitch about that too.

Ocarina of time has a very cartoony art style too, it's just not cel shaded. I mean look at this mother fucker.

Anyway, if you want a 6th gen game with an art style very similar to OoT, check out dark cloud.

>>8005095
Yah TP was the last Zelda with good art style. Nintendo will never go there again since the game got a T rating *gasp*

>>7995808
>>7995812
>>7995826
18 years and retards are still seething

>>8005193
wind waker is garbage especially now

>>8000965
honestly Dark Souls feels like it borrows from Zelda 2

>>7995968
That reminds me of the first puzzle in the first dungeon in Skyrim. Definitely not enough hints

>>8005212
Yeah, but I'd play a tribute theme just for the fun. Yes it could be done in a deep and complex way gameplay/story wise. But still even if it was fan made I'd try that.

>>8005114
My nigga.