/vr/ - Retro Games

This is zoomer philosophy. The question isn't "how can this old game be so good?" but "how are new games so bad?"

>>7995729
games don't age

>>7995769
Yep, it's not like the bits and bytes rot away. Games play exactly like they used to.

>>7995804
exactly

Q3 was already considered outdated when UT came out and implemented capture the flag and team mechanics lol. Didn't Team Frotress predate it too?

>>7995834
Considered outdated by who? I played them both at the same time, they offered different things. Q3 felt more polished.

>>7995840
Just telling how it is. Once people learned of red vs blue no one cared about deathmatch anymore.
Shit was so outdated they released this expansion pack with capture the flag modes the following year.

>>7995842
most people never gave a fuck about CTF. it's all about duels and some tdm.

>>7995854
You're actually right, it's the capture the control point modes in Unreal Tournament that are really popular, which Quake didn't have either.

>>7995769
Some of the early adventure games are seriously lacking compared to their point-and-click successors. In that way they do. Something better comes along that's in the same genre, maybe even in the same series; that you would rather play.

>>7995767
fpbp

>>7995729
Only girls played Q3A. UT was infinitely better.

>>7995767
And the answer is, the hostile takeover of creative control by beancounters and businessmen.

>>7995834
Team Fortress was a Q1 mod, yes.

>>7995729

everyone likes this chick but yuriko is way way way better and yall are secret mystery fags

>>7995842
Funny how almost everyone forgot that and instead remember the original cathartic deathmatch experience, huh?

>>7995974
I used to think that too, but my perception shifted gradually over time. Every time I get back into Quake 3, I only get a deeper understanding of how much it got right.

>>7996129
Like none of it? It's a shiny, ugly monster with tard game modes and horrible weapons (looking at you, rocket launcher and ASMD ripoff railgun).

UT out the gate was a much better game and had mods worth playing.

>>7995834
>Speaks with imagined authority on what game mode priorities people had at the turn of the century
>Clearly mistakes own preferences for majority opinion (not that it fucking matters if there was a market for both, and there was)
>Can't recall that TF was a Quake mod from 96 and thinks it was some cutting edge design that clowned on a retail game designed around entirely different rulesets 3 years later

Apples and oranges. Now just get to the part where you try to save face by pretending you're a troll rather than just some contrarian talking out of his ass.

>>7995769
Games don't age but experiences do. Newer games are usually a step forward audiovisually, and you have to admit that a lot of early genre titles still had to find their footing in regards to controls and features and feel clunky compared to later releases. The old game hasn't changed since it's been released, but after playing newer games you release there are things that can be done better.

>>7995769
Games don't age but experiences do. Newer games are usually a step forward audiovisually, and you have to admit that a lot of early genre titles still had to find their footing in regards to controls and features and feel clunky compared to later releases. The old game hasn't changed since it's been released, but after playing newer games you realize there are things that can be done better.

>afps threads every day
>none of you actually play it
>just a bunch of casuals and larpers arguing over which game was better 20 years ago on their dads office PC

>>7996141
not him, but the deep movement mechanics and fine nuances that separates a pro player from a regular is way more pronounced in Quake 3 than it is in UT99. The movement allows for the development of personal styles and differences, especially in the CPMA mod. Even to the point where you can see which player is who, just by looking at his POV (the fluidness, the speed, the angles they make during strafejumping). Strafejumping alone is a sport in itself, and there's a whole mod and gamemode revolving around it (DeFrag mod, racing as fast as you can). In UT you have the dash, that's it. As a kid i did not care about any of this, and i was happy and ignorant playing CTF with bots and later online. As an adult i learned to appreciate the skills needed for Quake 3, there isn't anything quite like it..

>>7996168
So you're gay. Check.

>>7996141
>1997 weapon is a ripoff of a 1998 weapon

>>7996176
He doesn't realise Quake did things earlier than Unreal. He probably also doesn't know that Mark Rein (Epic MegaGames) worked at id Software and learned the tricks of the trade there.

The engine feels great but gameplay not so much. In my opinion.
Quake 2 with the engine of 3 would have been awesome.

>>7996351
That, and with dynamic lighting restored.

>>7996160
So host a /vr/ match

>>7996168
but that isn't true
t. cpm player that just started playing ut99

>>7996160
Based. Nobody here actually plays to any reasonable level. Probably can't even make the jump from the bridge to the railgun on campgrounds.

>>7996862
>Framerate dependent jumps

Trash.

>>7996862
I don't care how good people are faggot. It's just obvious half of these are larps. Noobs are based.

>>7995729
>download the source code on linux back in the day
>disable cd-key, add wallhack and aimbot
>try playing in a server
>get fragged to death, everyone's leet playing this game

>>7995729
The gameplay is simple and polished enough to where it doesn't age, and the art style is just stylized enough to where it doesn't look too dated.

A lot of old shooters are still fun, but have janky controls that take some getting used to. Quake 3 has controls that still feel perfect, and thus it still is just as fun today.

>>7995729
> Playing this on the Sega Dreamcast online back in 2000
> Getting my shit rocked by LPB PC players with KBAM

> A decade later decide to run my own DC Quake 3 server
> 90% of the time it is populated entirely by 4 Brazilians who don't actually play the game, they just use it as a chatroom

Memories :)

>>7996443
Holy shit, THIS is what Q3fags think is superior to Unreal Tournament? HAHAHA

Anyone play Xonotic? It's as boring as other genx arena shooters, which I assume you like, and furry player models exist.

>>7997651
We don't think it's superior, we just prefer it over UT.

I actually really like UT 99 and 2004 but they're so different gameplay-wise from Q3A that I can't even compare them.

>>7997665
Played it once and then never again.

Why is it that any time there is a Quake 3 Arena thread it's always

> Quake fans talking about how much they loved Q3
or
> UT fans sperging out about how much better they think UT is

It's like UT fans can't just have a conversation about the game they like, they have to frantically defend it against Quake 3 for some reason. It seems kinda desperate, to be honest.

>>7997884
We simply can not have two similar good things in one thread. Screaming, bickering and calling each other nigger is way more fun than actually discussing and comparing the two. Discussing also takes some effort so that's not gonna happen.

>>7998140
Shut up nigger

>>7995804
This example is undermined as an argument by the fact that I (and many others) found perfect dark's bullshit unacceptable at the time too.

>>7995804
> 4 player Perfect Dark match
> Slappers only
> Each time you get slapped, your screen gets blurrier and blurrier until you die
> Framerate gets so bad that the game doesn't reset this blur effect when you respawn, so when you get hit again it gets even blurrier
> Four players running around with screens so blurry they can't see anything, at 5fps, with broken audio from the game running so slowly

BEST GAME ON THE NINTENDO 64 RIGHT HERE

>>7997651
ridiculous rage based on the sunk cost fallacy. dude just enjoy the games and stop feeling guilty around them, it's gonna be great I promise

God I wish I wasn't so poor and ignorant when I was younger or I would have played this game all the time, now when I try to play...its a ghost town. Quake live looks like shit, Quake Champions is shit and all the new shooters are just copy and paste. God why do new games have to suck

>>7997651
Cope.

>>7998413
What is this supposed to prove? Six months later the Athlon Thunderbird would come out

>>7995769
yes they do. same reason old music sounds old.

>>7998325
I seriously thought Quake Live and Quake Champions were the same thing what the fuck

>>7998398
I seriously thought Quake Live and Quake Champions were the same thing what the fuck

>>7997665
I like xonotic but the floaty jumping always puts me off

>>7998794
Does the main menu music still sound like a dot matrix printer?

>>7997884
Why do tribal fags always try to present like an unbiased party?
Quakefags shit up other thread all the time.
>>7998802
No idea I mute music

>>7995769
No, not literally. When people say games "age" they mean the technology becomes outdated, such as long CD load times in between every room on PlayStation Resident Evil, or poor texture filtering on N64 games. It can also refer to outdated game mechanics, like constant, inappropriate QTEs because RE4 did it and that game sold well. No one is speaking literally about age, but if you have a special needs IQ I understand how it can be confusing.

>>7997645
You could play with KBAM on the DC as well.

>>7998810
There are definitely outdated trends, like pacman dot mazes in the 80s, shmups in the early 90s, mascot platformers and street fighter clones in the mid 90s, cinematic FMV, point and click and AitD and Resident Evil clones in the late 90s. Let's face it we're old and pop culture has long passed us by. People who act like arcade game design hasn't aged are manchildren who refuse to face the sad reality.

>>7997645
Play outtrigger, it's japanese Quake made by Sega AM2 with emphasis on time and score attack. It supports keyboard and mouse and all that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg2Qsah0n6g

>>7998453
>B-but later hardware
Copium.

>>7998998
>NNOOOO YOU CAN ONLY PLAY IT WITH THE HARDWARE THAT WAS OUT AT THE EXACT TIMEEEEE

>>7998485
It doesn't sound old, it sounds old to you because people told you that you're supposed to consider it old.
Take a young kid into a rural area without Internet and only give him old music to listen to on tapes/record and he will grow up thinking it was brand new.
same with games, its all in your zoomer mind.

>why is old game so beloved? its so bad!

no, old game is just as good as it was back in the day. but you've been taught to cry and complain about everything.
back in the day they'd tell kids "well, you're 10, time to work in the coalmine"
you're taught to complain and cry and label everything.

worst generation ever.

>>7999171
>I-IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT RAN LIKE SHIT ON EXPENSIVE HARDWARE FROM THE YEAR OF ITS RELEASE, IT'S STILL SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY

>>7998496
I mean live is better I suppose

reported and saged

>>7999217
I guess if you strand a kid to a solitary island and never give him an electronic device the zed ex spectrum will seem really high tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZ0QC53D9c

>>7999238
Atleast PC games always benefit from time, console games will always be slow

>>7998810
Noone thinks you are speaking literally about age. You mean you think people think you are talking about games getting slower or duller as they age in some way? No, I'm pretty sure noone thinks that.

What he is saying, as I'm sure you're well-aware, is that it's an illegitimate concept. I agree with him, I also think it's an illegitimate and an invalid concept. We understand what you're talking about and the various statements you've made there - what we are talking about is that semantically and logically, it doesn't make sense to us. I mean what you're really doing there is simply replacing the term "outdated in a way that I disike" with "aging" and that is a dubious substitution, it means you're conflating the word "aging" with a bunch of characteristics that don't intrinsically have anything to do with it, as you acknowledge yourself since you agree it's not literal. So why should we go along with your conflations for?

I know it also makes you feel like a smart guy for pretending that we don't understand you and for suggesting that you "understand how it can be confusing" if they have a "special needs IQ". You must have felt so good as you really "got him" that way by suggesting he has a special needs IQ.

Did you ever take the time to wonder why you never see arguments where people pretend to suspect others of having special needs except on 4chan or similar places? Did you ever think about how it's generally the lowest classes of society and of edgelords under 18 or at most 21 who make those types of insults? Generally people with a lot of mental issues or the very learning problems they're accusing others of having?

So grow up man. He is entitled to disagree with the use of the term without your bullshit. When people dislike a term as being inaccurate, inappropriate and just plain wrong you could do the decent thing and just stop using it.

>>7995729
Good art direction, good sound direction, good core gameplay, good maps.

>>7995769
I think that sometimes they kinda can. Something which was absolutely genre defining on launch can end up feeling very dry and underwhelming when you compare to how much a genre developed in just a few years. Perhaps he sequel/followup makes such monumental advances that the first one just feels way too primitive when you go back to it.

>>7999857
Weird mix of both based and cringe in this post.

>>7995769
>>7995804
>retard autismos fail to understand their own language, take words literally and fail to grasp figures of speech
no big surprise.

"aged well" = legitimately good

"did not aged well" = was never as good as you thought it was, and was only thought of as "good" in context of the time, because there was no better equivalent to compare it to

>>8002331
That was the point of the second post...