/vr/ - Retro Games

Agreed. I have the emu, the bios, the rom, and yet I CAN'T GET IT TO TWERK PROPERLY. I just want to play Legend Of Oasis. Sob.

I just wanna play Nights and Virtua Fighter 2 again goddammit.

I JUST WANNA PLAY MY CHILDHOOD GAMES WITHOUT HIGHWAY ROBBERY, IS ALL.

LEMME PLAY MY GAMES, COMPUTER BOX. WHY WON'T YOU COOPERATE?!

>>798849

>>798849

Haven't both of those games been ported to modern systems?

>>798856
Yes.

Nights has been ported to the PS2.

I should just go play tha--Oh wait that was only in Japan.

>>798863
Nights has been ported to PC too.

The latest SSF won't werk without a grafx card.

>>798863

>2013
>Doesn't have a soft-modded PS2

>>798863
Not a problem if you have a hacked PS2 to play games from other regions an copies you downloaded. Not to mention that it's also ported to PSN and XBLA.

Same goes for Virtua Fighter II.

>>798847
I HATE when my ROMS won't twerk properly.

Check around the Googleverse for proper settings, configs,plugins, etc., I see youtube vids of Sturn emulation, and people seem to be doing fine. they may just have beastmode desktop PC's though. SSF has worked fine for me with Panzer Dragoon and the Dragon force series.

>>798843
>get SSF
>works perfectly
>2 weeks later
>the window won't open
>SSF is running but the fucking window won't open

The worst hell

>>799474
Perhaps the window is offscreen in limbo. I can't quite recall, but there's a way to forget an application's window position and size.

Blame it on SSF being closed source because Japs can't into open source for some reason. If it was open source, it would already be an amazing emulator without a shitty cryptic UI that requires you to use discs or mount the images on a virtual drive.

Also, even when the emulator is supposedly compatible, it's hard as hell finding a good dump of the games. Every fucking site seems to have them in some shitty format that causes nothing but headaches. Pisses me off.

Buy Saturn. It shouldn't run you more than $40 US.

Buy that modchip from Racketboy and enjoy your glorious Saturn with all the games you could ever want.

Worth every penny.

>>799593
That's not the point.

The point is preservation.

Even CDs rot.

>>799803
So burn another disc. What are you, retarded?

>>798843
SSF ain't so bad.

>>799878
Oh, right. I'll just burn another disc.

That'll solve everything.

I shouldn't want an emulator worth a damn at all.

Because I can just make another disc. To play it on the machine separate from the computer.

That's brilliant.

I've never had any problems with SSF, except it doesn't play Astal. Why are you guys so inept?

>>799909
Where does one find SSF?

Tell me to google it and I'll nuke Jamaica, swear to christ.

>>799920
http://www.emucr.com/search/label/SS?&max-results=12

You can also try Yabause.

>I was able to get Steam Hearts to work on SSF almost 7 years ago without much trouble
>MFW I found out I'd have to get a PC98 emulator working to play an uncensored version

>>798863

You know it's on Steam, right? You can even play the Saturn version in it.

>>798843
SSF + WinCDEmu

Because the Saturn is fucking hard to emulate properly. The number 1 source of complications in emulation is not the computational power of the components you're trying to emulate, but the number of them working simultaneously. It's really, really hard to figure out exactly how such systems behave when they all try to access the same resources at once, and even once you understand it, the resulting emulator is necessarily slow due to having to constantly synchronize the various components.

Go look at the Saturn's Technical Specifications on Wikipedia. Look at how many processors, coprocessors, DSPs and microcontrollers they shoved into that fucking thing.

There's light at the end of the tunnel: The guy who just released a cycle-accurate Genesis emulator says he plans to use the framework he used to build that emulator to build a Saturn emulator. The bad news: He says he plans to do a Dreamcast emulator first.

That the developer of the most accurate Genesis emulator thinks it's easier to emulate the Dreamcast than it is to emulate the Saturn should tell you something.

>>799580
>Japs can't into open source
Yeah, this is part of it, too. They keep too much closed source, don't give a shit about portability to anything other than Windows, and unlike people of every other ethnicity, they refuse to cooperate with English speakers (aka 99% of the emulator engineering community). I don't trust any of their emulators.

I'd recommend Yabause, but it is really slow in Software mode, and really glitchy in OpenGL mode. There's basically no winning with it.

>>798884
>The latest SSF won't werk without a grafx card.
You couldn't even get any picture from your PC without a graphics card, you mongoloid

>>799562
>there's a way to forget an application's window position and size.
Right click (or in win7, shift + right click) the application tray icon, select move, and press left/right, then move it around with the mouse. Or press winkey + cursor buttons.

>>799580
>it's hard as hell finding a good dump of the games. Every fucking site seems to have them in some shitty format that causes nothing but headaches. Pisses me off.

I've uploaded full packs of all pal/usa titles back on ugamer. Most sites have changed their collection of shit into those good bin/cues. I know that Emuparadise almost exclusively switched to them.

>>800095
Yabause is shit for anything except debugging, and they are progressively ruining that part too with all the changed/removed features.

>>800064
>The number 1 source of complications in emulation is not the computational power of the components you're trying to emulate, but the number of them working simultaneously.

Nah. The number 1 problem is that EVERY component has 1 jillion features to emulate, and most emu authors just don't have that amount of time or patience to test all that. And don't forget that the Saturn uses quadrangle drawing, basically meaning that you have to code a quirky sprite renderer from scratch.

And then you have some stuff like the SCU DSP where the documentation is incomplete or inaccurate, just for bonus fun, and you have to manually debug program code to find the missing instructions.

Like Steve Snake said, writing a Saturn emu wouldn't be hard, just time consuming.

>>800269

Actually yes, number of components running parallel affects emulation CPU requirements more than clock speed

>TFW no accurate open source Saturn emulator

>>800775
In general, yes, but its only the reason why Saturn emulation is slow, not the reason why its incomplete.

Also, many components on the Saturn are highly independent, so you would only need to sync 3-4 subsystems at set intervals.

let's write a perfect saturn emulator from scratch /vr/

I want to play RSG really bad

>>800884
SSF already plays it perfect.

I think it's only fault is that it doesn't slow down as often (ie. all the fucking time) as the real hardware. But even that depends on which version of it you run and with what settings...

>>800884
I'd gladly join a SourceForge project and lend my C programming to such a project...[%]AND MY AXE![/%] For /vr/!

Saturn emulation ISN'T bad. The only quirks are things like turning enabling the SH2 Cache to get Astal to boot

Are you idiots still trying to run a 6 year old version of GiriGiri or something?

>>800926
ahahahaha holy shit

>>800064
>Yeah, this is part of it, too. They keep too much closed source, don't give a shit about portability to anything other than Windows, and unlike people of every other ethnicity, they refuse to cooperate with English speakers (aka 99% of the emulator engineering community). I don't trust any of their emulators.
RMS needs to pay a visit to teach them the error of their ways

>>799997
Wasn't that a PC Engine CD game? That was uncensored too you know.

Except have fun using Mednafen to run a PC Engine CD game.

I've used SSF and it works perfectly fine on a multitude of games, both ISOs and my personal collection of Saturn titles.

>>798913
>>798863
>>798849

nights is on steam right now you spazzes.

>>801124
And, you know, the fact it plays perfectly on SSF

These Encino Men need to get with the times

>>801138
>perfect
>perfectly

Don't use those words when talking about emulators

>>799904
So the point is convenience, then?

I think that's a great reason. But that's not what you said, man. You were talking crazy a second ago.
I'm just teasing you, man.

>>798843
Because programming for the actual thing is shit

>Download SSF
>Every game I test works perfectly
>Something fucks up with my mounting program
>SSF freezes because of this
>It now refuses to work for me anymore
>All I get is a minimum as fuck window
>mfw

>>801262
the game plays the way it should. That's perfect

>>803024
If the autorun kicks in as soon as you mount, that fucks with SSF a lot

>>803038
You're a life saver

>>799803
CDs don't fucking rot!
God damn you people to hell!
Stop believing shit you read on Wikipedia!

>>803053
Stop being a fucking autist. Yes they do.

>>803053
Dude, they totally do. Stop acting like its only wikipedia that has ever mentioned it

>>803053
>Stop believing shit you read on Wikipedia!
Nothing could possibly be more annoying than a guy who presumes where you've been and how you learned certain things.

Look. Faggot. There's pictures. Go out and look at them.

CDs rot.

>>803053
What makes you think physical media is incapable of rot?

>>803214
Ignorance, my good man! It's how all people deny established facts an evidence, ignoring that if aluminum could not oxidize, we would have no way to put out jet fuel fires!

Tiny invisible angels massage the read surface of each optical disc and ward away evil oxygen. Sometimes these angels ward oxygen away from babies, too, which is why SIDS happens.

>>803053
Why is that so hard to believe? Everything erodes, breaks down, and dies. Carts, CDs, Systems. Nothing will last forever.
Hell be thankful most disc will at least last you into your 60's.

>>803237
Which is why it's important to make sure systems are thoroughly documented and emulated. The original hardware and media will not last forever, so we have to make sure it's immortalized in digital form.

>>803258
>we have to make sure it's immortalized in digital form.
Don't forget copied, saved on as much physical media as possible, and shared with as many backup storage locations and persons as possible.