/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7982924
Rollout

>>7983005
>Sleep powder
>hypnosis
>sand attack/mud slap
>Defense Curl

>>7982924
Imagine killing a shiny one of these as a kid because you didn't know what a shiny was...

>>7983095
Nothing more satisfying than destroying something that somebody else applies arbitrary value to just because it's rare.

>>7983095
>imagine giving a fuck about shinies

>>7982924
I haven't played Pokémon since the Bush administration (and certainly didn't keep up with the franchise in that time). So it's just now dawning on me the kind of fetishises "Miltank" alone would apply to.

>>7983095
>Imagine seeing a shiny voltorb at mahogany team rocket hideout and it using self-destruct.

>>7983095
I would be proud in killing what's basically proto-gacha

>imagine spending 4 hours trying to catch a fucking tauros

>>7983218
safari zone was brutal but for me it was getting a pikachu in viridian forest.
>wander around the forest for hours butchering bugs
>finally run into a pikachu
>knock it out reflexively with my over-leveled starter
>spend a couple more hours looking
>mfw

>>7983095
I ran from a shiny diglett without realizing it until the very next encounter when I noticed the different noses.
If it was a shiny Seel, I would've never noticed.

>>7983218
Safari Zone is something you do on the side while you watch a movie or something

otherwise you lose your sanity. It's a lot more bearable that way

>>7982924
>He didn't catch a Sandshrew, Geodude or Onix and out rolled SHITney
Pleb

>>7983134
They look fuck-ugly and lazy, most of the time. In a series where the normal 'mon designs quickly begin to suffer from that, why care?

>>7983236
Is that a recent spoony gif?
I saw a recent livestream of his and he looked like a ghost. He was constantly moaning about his health and making excuses. It's tragic, people are still giving him a chance after all the shit and all the nothing he's done, but he can't even make the basic effort to turn himself around.

2022 RIP Spoony

>>7983218
is original gameboy the superior way to experience gen 1 & 2?

>>7984747
nah i feel like everyone had a pocket or a colour.

>>7984746
He still hasn't figured out the meds actually make shit worse. I pity him, in a way.

>>7984747
Absolutely not. The OG Gameboy is not even the superior way to experience regular old Gameboy games.

>>7984756
everyone did yeah but honestly I'm wondering if the lack of colors would give gen 2 more of that abstract gen 1 vibe. i remember thinking the colors on gbc looked wonky to me even back in the day

>>7984860
I love the first two gen's limited color palette. It helps give it a very sparse look that encourages you to fill in the gaps with your imagination. I hated playing Ruby/Sapphire initially because the visual style looked like sugary candy.

>>7983054
Defense curl does nothing. You're wasting a turn that miltank will spend using rollout. You're spending a turn buffing your defense while miltank does damage AND buffs her offense.

Also what pokemon at that point in the game have hypnosis?

>>7984860
Anon, he said pocket. You do know the difference in screen between GB and GB Pocket, yes?

>>7983296
tfw the only shineys i ever got was a shiny pidgey and rattata in fire red in viridian lmao.
thats like the only time i ever get them is like right at the beginning of the game.

>>7984860
really the only difference besides the pockets screen and the original gameboy is the pocket has less motion blurr and isn't green. both mono coloured but if i had to choose to play pokemon on either. it'd be the pocket
>>7985035

>>7985053
Only shiny I ever found was a wurmple in Moemon Emerald, although I've never played Pogeyman that much.

>>7983105
Literal schizo

>>7985035
>Defense curl does nothing.
Defense curl not only raises your defense but also makes your own rollout (which was a tm you could get before whitney) 2 times stronger, all mons that can learn defense curl that early in the game have enough defense to take some rollouts from miltank.

>>7985082
Yeah, it's *supposed* to do all that, but since this is fucking GameFreak we're talking about, does it really? If I recall correctly the Pokemon Decompilation projects found a ton of shit in Gens I and II that were bugged or straight-up broken.

>>7985091
>does it really?
Yes, it does.

>>7985091
Why on Earth would anybody try to call somebody out on a hidden stat buff supposedly having bugs? The only way that guy would even know about the stat buff was if the stat buff was true.

>play as an 11 year old the way 11 year olds do: level your starter and only your starter
>mop Whitney up without noticing

>play the true and intended way as an adult by catching and raising a full team of balanced-level Pokemon
>Whitney's Miltank now has enough time to set up and will proceed to sweep the vast majority of teams even with Fighting attacks

Whitney isn't difficult at all if you know enough about Pokemon to formulate a strategy. But she's the only Gym Leader in Gen 1/2 (other than Brock in Yellow) where doing so is necessary.

>>7985076
How is that schizo? It's just dipshit schadenfreude
Obsessive seeking and collecting meaningless trinkets to hoard is much closer to mental illness

>>7985035
>Also what pokemon at that point in the game have hypnosis?

From the start. Pokemons like Hoothoot, Gastly and drowzee have access to this movement very early

>>7983218
i don't think i've ever legitimately caught a chancey

>>7985470
Actually this puts you in a worse position because none of the starters are any good against Miltank. The balanced team is unironically more powerful against it (just like a balanced team is 99.999% of the time against any individual threat).

>>7982924
I just cought the bird pokemon and gave him the move that trows mud it does dmg and blind the other pokemon and gg

>>7985098
>Why on Earth would anybody try to call somebody out on a hidden stat buff supposedly having bugs? The only way that guy would even know about the stat buff was if the stat buff was true.
Who said I was "calling out" anybody? Are you literally so niggerlicious that you view every conversation as an inherently adversarial process?

>>7985091
>If I recall correctly the Pokemon Decompilation projects found a ton of shit in Gens I and II that were bugged or straight-up broken.
Was Rollout one of them?

>>7983105
>>7983134
I have a very special attachment to Zubat's shiny line because I got a Shiny Golbat in Silver (on a regular gameboy so I couldn't even visually tell the difference) and to me it was unique because it was the only shiny I had until like Gen 5 that wasn't the Red Gyarados

>>7987335
You have no idea what the phrase means, apparently. Call out is correctly used there.
>niggerlicious
Oh you have social anxiety and need everything sterilized or you can't interact with other humans.

>>7987356
>You have no idea what the phrase means, apparently. Call out is correctly used there.
Call Out-

1. Summon someone to deal with an emergency or provide a service.

2. Draw critical attention to someone's unacceptable actions or behavior.

3. Order or advise workers to strike.

4. Challenge someone to a duel.
>niggerlicious
>Oh you have social anxiety and need everything sterilized or you can't interact with other humans.
Spare me your psychobabble, cretin.

>>7987341
>Was Rollout one of them?
No idea. That's kinda why I was asking.

>>7987427
>actually tries posting a dictionary source
Everyone know what call out means. The fact that you're trying to fixate on it in the first place instead of dealing with the actual meat and bones of the comment here >>7985098 is telling. It's obvious that it's stupid to challenge someone on an assertion because it's "supposed" to do that when in actuality rollout and defense curl never indicate that that's how it's supposed to work. Meaning the only way anyone would even know defense curl buffs rollout is simply through trying it, but he says "it's *supposed* to do all that".

You then sperg out and scream nigger at the person calling out your call out.

>>7987290
I only played through gen 1 and 2 and that was simply not true. My typhlosion and charzard steamrolled everything. Even managed to defeat sudowoodo without dying (though I remember it being a close call)

>>7987465
>Everyone know what call out means.
Obviously not, or I wouldn't have had to fetch you the damn definition, now, would I? It's not my fault you only speak weird ghettotrash. Words have clearly defined meanings, please use them accordingly.

>>7983134
I got a shiny squirtle one time completely randomly when I started up a new save file for like the fifth time on firered. I couldn't believe it. I was ultimately pissed though because shiny blastoise doesn't look that cool. I wished I had picked charmander instead.

>>7987432
Why didn't you use google?

>>7987472
>I only played through gen 1 and 2 and that was simply not true. My typhlosion and charzard steamrolled everything. Even managed to defeat sudowoodo without dying (though I remember it being a close call)
Virtually every time I saw someone play your way I also witnessed this, Anon. I think it may because the AI is still so monstrously stupid.

>>7987479
>callout
>ghettotrash
Your social anxiety is proving itself again.

Rest of your post is similarly stupid. Everyone knows what callout means.

>>7984747
My best friend had the black original when I was growing up and I had a blue pocket. I thought the original was a complete joke and didn't want anything to do with it. If I was going to be entirely honest with you the best possible way to experience it if you have no nostalgia reasons to want to relive the past is via Super Gameboy (import a sgb2 from Japan) or an emulator that supports the SGB palate. It's not super impressive but it exists and it looks slightly better.

>>7987493
Because if I used Google virtually every time I had a question, what would really be the point of coming here (or anywhere that allows user interaction)? Besides, running the NSA Oracle for all my factual information is actually a good deal stupider than relying on 4chan for any one thing. At least with 4chan, if there's niggatry afoot, it's relatively easy to spot and suss out. Trying to ascertain whether Google is bullshitting you about something (assuming it even has relevant results for half the esoteric shit I talk about in a day) can necessitate giving up an entire afternoon to cross fact-check.

It's simply easier to ask a human being at that point. Search is getting worse, not better.

>>7987472
Not true. You'd have done much better with a well balanced team. You probably didn't steamroll everything like you claim you did, either.

Yeah, anon, I was 12 and beat Blue with just a Venusaur, too. It didn't work out so well in retrospect and the fact that kids are willing to try the same battle with the same strategy two or three times without changes is why it randomly works eventually.

>>7987507
Repeating yourself is not trolling, Anon. Get better game next time or be BTFO'd eternally.

>>7987508
This is actually what I would've recommended as well.

>>7987519
This is very entertaining.

The best part is you know I'm right and it's going to eat you for God knows how long after this conversation. You could just shut up but you won't.

>>7987516
>You probably didn't steamroll everything like you claim you did, either.
You absolutely can steamroll the shit outta everything, barring Sabrina or Agatha, 'till the Champion. Most Gym Leader rosters are tiny until about mid-game, Sabrina's difficulty has very little to do with numbers in the first place, and most of the Elite 4 are curiously short of a full six 'mons as well. That's not even getting into the hysterically deficient AI.

I believe Anon.

>>7987516
I will let you start a thread if I ever start a new game but I think you are underestimating how powerful your stater becomes if you only use it for every battle. You get to level 80 or so in red/blue and max level in gold/silver and you will one shot most everything. I remember being scared of the elite four because of the hype and was laughing about how easy they were to defeat. You can also check out some playthroughs like >>7987494 says. I am definitely not saying that any game after gen 2 is like this at all but I am arguing that the first two generations are 100% easy mode if you just use your starter for the whole game

>>7987290
A female Geodude/Graveler sweeps Whitney, and you can catch one immediately after getting Poke Balls. Also helps that it crushes the first two gyms, and in HG/SS, you get the Rock Smash HM for it after Falkner that is Fighting-type and often cuts defense.

>>7987524
Depending on the town you're in it can look good or bad, but at least the pokemon are in color. I could never understand why Nintendo didn't implement the SGB palette on the GBC.

>>7987537
>but I think you are underestimating how powerful your stater becomes if you only use it for every battle.
No? I just explained to you that I did that.
>I remember being scared of the elite four because of the hype and was laughing about how easy they were to defeat.
And I remember using ethers constantly because your one pokemon needs shitloads of PP to beat the elite four, being as its tiny move pool can't actua- oh wait here you said it
>and you will one shot most everything
Unironically no you won't. Yeah you'll one-shot large portions of the game, more than half, but anything with type resistance is an actual problem given that you actually NEED to one-shot everyone with just one pokemon's movepool.

The actual factual point being that a low level, well balanced team is much better than one pokemon. You're dumb for arguing against this. You can beat the elite four in blue with really any kind of random pokemon so long as they're level 30-35 and the totality of the team is well balanced. And I can speak with authority in saying that Venusaur needs way too many ethers and needs to be levels 75 (really probably 90). It's better and easier to make the well balanced team, don't argue against this.

>>7987595
Anon, at what point do you stop tilting against windmills and just accept that, yeah, these games are not very well balanced in hindsight? I've seen people do this shit. Anon has seen people do this shit, and done it himself. No amount of railing about how you're "supposed" to do this shit is gonna save your argument. One 'roided up starter, a trivial pool of supplies, and an HM slave or two can just fuck shit up royally at will for large portions of the game.

Deal with it. All the type matchup faggotry in the world still won't save trash AI that won't even do a damage check on its own moves.

>>7987515
sounds like lazy ignorance cope

>>7987620
I didn't say anything about gameplay balance whatsoever.

Literally every post I said is pointing out the fact that team balance will beat any individual strongman pokemon in virtually every instance.

And I'm not talking about how you're "supposed to do it", either. No, FACT, a well balanced team WILL be better than a single strong pokemon. You deal with it.

>>7987627
>And I'm not talking about how you're "supposed to do it", either.
Yes, you are. How you're "supposed" to play the game is with a multi-typed, reasonably even-leveled team. Unfortunately, due to the aforementioned issues (which can all be boiled down to "balance and/or difficulty curve issues"), for large portions of the game this isn't necessary or relevant at all. Link Cable battles are not the norm in Gen I and II Pokemon, Anon. Human opponents are the exception, not the rule. And the NPC rosters and AI are largely crummy. Not ZOMG UNFORGIVABLE!!!!, but crummy. Slightly shabby. Almost half-baked, in some spots.

Ball's back in your court.

>>7987623
Lazy ignorance is relying on one all-powerful megacompany for your information. Which is lazier, having an intelligent discussion sparked by a question, or just responding with "Google It" nonstop because you don't care about the answer in the first place?

>>7987696
NYPA fag

>>7987712
That's not even what that means, poser.

>>7987725
Close enough. Waahhhhh spoonfeed me be my personal google search assistant.

>>7987754
>Close enough.
Are you the same faggot as >>7987465 ? Once again: words have clearly defined meanings. Use them. Just because you think it's "close enough" that doesn't mean it automatically is. "NYPA" refers to doxing and raiding, not asking a fucking question. At no point in time did it ever refer to that, unless perhaps you're from the deranged bowels of /g/, which didn't even coin the term.

>>7987768
Save it for your blog

>>7987627
Did you never link up with another person to battle? If you have a mon that is high enough level it didn't matter how well planned a low level team was. I remember pissing off classmates in middle school because I "wasn't playing right" and my charizard "should be dead" because they were playing with well rounded teams. It was hilarious when people figured out the missing no glitch because they would get rare candies to win but my naturally leveled starter would always take multiple maxed out competitors to be defeated. It seems like you were probably one of the upset kids, or maybe never had the opportunity to play gen 1 or 2 when they first came to the us

>>7987856
I'm not that guy but I was one of those upset kids once after my gamesharked level 100 mew got it's ass kicked. Not gonna lie I could be a little bitch sometimes.

>>7987627
As a whim a few years back I replayed Gen 1 on a higher speed emulation setting just to see if I could beat it with just a Charizard and it was simple. With just a bit of grinding you can easily bring him up to level 75-80 by the Elite Four and just Slash away. The special stat being just one single stat that everyone complains about comes in handy when a lot of the Pokemon that have a type advantage over the charmander line have pissweak a special stat(a level 16 charmeleon with ember can steamroll Brock's pokemon easy)

I imagine it'd be the same case too with Feraligatr in gen 2 since there's not really many Grass or Electric type moves in the later half of Johto.

>10 years ago
>Decide to catch em' all!™ and get all my mons to level 100
>Borrow my friend's gameboy and buy pokemon Gold, Silver and a connecting cable so I can get all those Pokémon you can't get in Crystal (pretty sure I had to buy a copy of Pokemon Blue to get certain Kanto Pokemon too)
>Catch em' all (fucking Dunsparce took the most time)
>All I have left to do is train Pupitar to level 55 so he can evolve into Tyranitar and the pokedex will be complete
>Pupitar is at level 42
>My team is at level 87
>save data gets corrupted
>400+ hours down the drain

>>7988501
I would never pick up another pokemon game after that

>>7988501
I willingly sold my childhood copy of Blue for a few bucks

it had all 151 mons and around 100 of them at lvl 100 (which meant in some cases stuff like having the final evo at lvl 100 but also the evo down the line)

The clock was frozen at the maximum time so I don't know exactly how much went into it but easily 500 hours

My advice: it's not 1998 anymore, just emulate and that way you can trade with yourself. I did that and got all 151 again in Blue last year, by trading with another game of Yellow and Crystal I was doing at the same time.
That way you can also do fun stuff like play the romhack recreation of Japanese Blue which has wild Jynx, or give yourself any pokémon you want as starter by trading with hatched eggs from Crystal

>>7988501
Before I sympathise tell us how your save data got corrupted, if it was some retarded shit like washing your game cartridge to get the dirt out that's all on you

>>7988668
I don't remember honestly but it wasn't anything like that. From my recollection I just popped it in the next morning and it was corrupted. Granted I had been playing the fuck out of it. I was like 14 on summer vacation and I had been playing it all day every day pretty much.

>>7988640
Trust me I didn't. Next pokemon game I played was Sun and Moon I believe.

>>7988653
Currently got a game of Crystal going through emulation now. I don't see myself enduring that much pain again.

What game is this?

>>7989083
Yo-kai Watch: Metabee Edition

>>7989083
Barnyard: The Game

>>7982924
>Karate chop
>Karate chop
>If no crits one last Karate chop
>win
ezpz

>>7989083
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.

>>7985019
>I love the first two gen's limited color palette.
playing a romhack atm called prism that adds in 2 doughnut steel regions + kanto and jhoto it also has a custom dex with 255 pokemanz from gen 1-4 and the sprites for the gen 3-4 mons are completely soulful minus like 3 that look wonky or ugly and the 4 god awful OC legendaries(which look like digimon/post gen 5 aidsmons) pokemon in the gen 2 style&pallet and water colour art just look better its not muh old good new bad they just straight up do not look or feel like pokemon if its not in the OG games

pic related my waifu I got at lv 3 and used a dawn stone (which took till the 4th-5th gym to get) at lv 35ish as you can clearly see it looks like a real gen 1-2 soulful mon

>>7989209
yet another post gen 2 mon BOSSNIGGER the metagross

>>7989215
>>7989209
and finally you can see the OC doughnutsteel post 4 design wise cringefest that lacks soul legendary and would fit perfectly in white/black or sword/shield

not only that but you find this out in the open at lv 50 in a cave at the 4th gym when all your mons are lv 30ish just like in the newer gens that give legendaries away

also here we see the chad magmortar demade for gen 2 compared to the virgin cringe that is in the gen 4+ dex's just look at how alpha and hightest he is in the gen 2 style this is a pokemon when seeing for the first time will make you go OH FUCK this dude must be strong compared to his OG sprite which looks like a joke and is not menacing at all

>>7983105
based shiny killer dabbing on lucklets

>>7989249
I hate to sound old but that just goes to show what a boon the old designs really benefitted from being forded to work within the gameboy's screen size. They had to make the designs as efficient and cohesive as possible because they couldn't add details everywhere.The original sprites were mostly created from rough sketches so the design was first largely worked out on the sprite, then adapted for the artwork--the sprite is the original look

I hate how much distaste people have for Red/Green and Blue/International RB's sprites are. Sure the RG set is a bit wonky but I always thought the Blue ones were fine and I hated when they made the Yellow sprites look as homogenized and clean as the cartoon. These guys were weird monsters with their own distinct charm, not just the cutesy monsters from the anime. Back in the first year or so Pokemon wasn't just a kiddie thing, you still had teenagers and older players interested in the game. That went away except for more diehard fans after G/S, i think thats largely due to the look for the main games getting more and more childish looking with bright colors and clean art.

>>7982924
Nidorino at level 16 will kill it in like 2 double kicks.

>>7990164
Actually, assuming Miltank never uses attract for random reasons, which instantly nullifies Nidorino. It'll probably take four attacks at around that level, and meanwhile Miltank's best move is also super effective against Nidorino.

>>7990275
Rock is not super-effective against poison. Nidorino is a really poor choice against Miltank though.

I think a lot of the challenge is most people won't have a female Pokemon strong enough to take down Miltank if they don't know about Attract in advance. They throw you a bone with the Machop trade in Goldenrod though, and there are plenty of alternatives you can come with if you plan ahead.

>>7983095
Rinohorn power wont revive you schlong you stupid chink

>people who think single overlevelled pokemon isn't a completely overpowered way to play the game
How do you still exist this wrong after over 20 years? This was still the way to cheese the game *even in Gen 5* when they had declining XP returns when overleveled and accelerated catch-up when underleveled, that's how severely overpowered the full-retard strat is.

>>7993021
Everysingle time this happen. Someone thinks he's being smart by using only his starter through the entire game, thinks everyone else is too stupid to have thought about it, and is proud of himself.

I have news for you. Everyone knows about this but noone wants to lower himself to such extent because it's such a boring anti-game way of playing.

>>7990157
I remember even back during the Red/Blue days in the late 90s people were shitting on Pokémon being a "kiddy" thing, so it was still a thing even during its beginning.

>>7993021
starter solorun's boring as fuck. It's like playing RCT and building nothing but shuttle loops. Sure it works but why even bother playing at that point?

>>7993109
That was literally never in question. Then a retard came in and said that playing the interesting way was the more powerful way, and here we are.

>>7982924
i wanna suck whitney's miltanks

>>7993021
I know I was doing this shit all the way through for the first couple of game releases. The only time it was ever an issue was Gen 3 since that has a double battle psychic/rock gym and I picked Blaziken.

>>7993214
Exactly. Some retard was trying to claim that it is factually proven that a lower level well rounded team is stronger than an overpowered starter. That is demonstrably false so we have a whole thread of sperging out