/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7938015
Is a meme, is for people with money and who play bad retro games

>>7938015
It has less latency if you don't understand how to set up run-ahead. You also get to buy it which makes you coom.

There's a misconception that it's the actual chips implemented in FPGA rather than reverse engineered approximations of their functionality.

>>7938015
Can someone on this god forsaken board please explain why people constantly pit hardware and software emulation against each other constantly?

We stand to benefit from both types of technology when it comes to preservation/learning how these old systems work and how we can push emulation further.

Literally no one is forcing you to buy one it's specifications are openly available so if you were so inclined you could build one yourself.

The people who constantly post about Mister and why it's useless is a fucking or some kind of scheme to steal peoples money are fucking stupid and fuck you dipshits for constantly shitting up the board. Get some new talking points you stupid fucking shit

>>7938015
It is emulation though
People pretending it’s like real hardware are only deluding themselves
Whatever option you choose is fine though

>>7938015
I agree. My PC is beefy enough to handle any 16 bit system. Plus the MiSTer is unable to emulate 5th gen consoles and the Sega Dreamcast. That to me is a reason why I wouldn't waste money on a MiSTer. Especially since my PC can emulate all those systems. Like what's the fucking point?

>>7938330
I agree with this. 4th gen emulation is close enough to perfect that I don't see the point. 5th or 6th is where you would see an improvement from the accuracy of an FPGA.

>>7938359
Exactly. Once there's an FPGA device that can do 5th and 6th gen consoles(Even if it's just for the Dreamcast), I may definitely give it a try.

Is op's thread pointless? The answer is yes
>>7903015

I mean, yeah.

The technology isn't really impressive. The appeal of user programmable chips that reverse engineer the chips of a real system is being wasted on shit that can run perfectly fine on a wii or a cellphone. If it could do Saturn (it never will) then we could have a conversation, but I don't care if your chip reverse-engineered the SFC, higan already did that a while back and I'm not autistic enough to care whether it's software or hardware doing it.

>>7938065
best post

>>7938027
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>>7938403

OP here- Thanks for the responses. I am truly curious as to why people buy these over a Series S that can just run retroarch with runahead for the same amount of set-up work. It doesn't seem like either option is convenient, so it just looks like cooming to me like somebody else already said. Is it just the compatibiliy with CRT's that people go gaga over? The technology is neat but seems wasted if it isn't doing anything unique. Sounds like a waste of money.

>>7938403
It's the lowest latency you can get without learning how and taking the time to configure RetroArch per-game, and folx intimidated by new games aren't going to do that. These are people who get confused by the xbar UI on your dad's blu-ray player. They want something that just works for every game.

>>7938484
latency is a meme, nobody actually cares about it. I've never once run into an issue where I needed a frame-perfect input in any game. Playing on my wii with wireless controllers, supposedly the most latent method imaginable, and I notice instantaneous output from the controller because the latency we're talking about on the millisecond scale is imperceptible

>>7938480
Yes it definitely has to with CRT compatibility. But CRT's don't last forever and it's almost never sold anymore. I would know because my CRT TV went to shit, so now I only have an HDTV. I can live without the old light gun games, since I can just play light gun games like House Of The Dead 3 and 4 on my PS3 with the Playstation Move. So yes the MiSTer is a waste of money, plus there seems to be too much wiring going on with the thing, seems like a hassle.

>>7938480
>I am truly curious as to why people buy these over a Series S that can just run retroarch with runahead for the same amount of set-up work.
Or build a cheap PC.
I think an i3 10100F build could be made for 350 and would run circles around hacked consoles.

>>7938676
Non F version sry my bad.

>>7938015
Is the average person going to notice a big difference in a large variety of games? Probably not.

It is nice to know the game is being reproduced accurately though. I think after the Burger Time arcade core came out it was pointed out that the mame version runs a bit too fast.

It's a niche product...it serves it's purpose. As far as latency goes I do think I notice a bit of a difference (nothing astronomical).

>>7938015
>retroarch
>on series X
It runs on everything, is there any reason to use a cucked game console that can rugpull support for it at anytime with a firmware update as your main emulation box?

>>7938380
You're mad that OP didn't use your circlejerk thread to ask a legitimate question?
Lmao

ITT: Retards

>>7938928
Nobody cares about stupid shit like this. Fuck off and die, shill.

>>7938928
No one wants to buy your product when everything can be emulated for free on a PC.

>>7938928
This issue is not directly related to emulation. It's a display issue. Nothing stops you from emulating a 56hz game on a CRT at the correct 56hz refresh rate.

Additionally, the number of games that run more than 1hz off 60hz is extremely small and the people who would want to play them will know what compromises they're willing to make since they are almost all niche arcade games.

>>7938930
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>>7938870
>got btfo the MiSTer thread and ran off to start his own safe space
Why does this piece of hardware intimidate you so?

>>7938928
>video synchronization
it's called vertical synchronization energumen, and it doesn't slow down anything, did you born yesterday?

>dude emulate

I swear these copes never fail to amuse me.

>>7939172
what are these random screenshots? that seems written by nobody

>>7939172
anti-emuniggers prefer counting cpu cycles to playing games

>>7938928
>byuu commits suicide allegedly.
>meanwhile ZNES is getting updated for modern hardware with all sorts of fixes.
damn I almost feel bad for the tranny getting punked on so hard...

>>7939195
These screenshots are from a place called reality. You should visit some time, it's a nice place.

>>7939197
OP wanted to talk about accuracy. It's not my fault that when the flaws of emulation are revealed they cannot be unseen. It's also not my problem that zoomers have no frame of reference for comparing emulation to original hardware or FPGA.

>>7939239
>screenshots are from a place called reality
Type something that makes sense next time, oh right, you can only press PrtScn

>>7939172
Speed must not refer to game speed here because MAME is not running CPS1 games 45% faster than normal.

>>7939260
I found this on twitter from the same person:

"The effect depends on the game. Most games run most of the time synchronized with the vertical blank so you can be off in CPU speed without an obvious effect. For bullet-hell games getting the slowdown correct is important as the gameplay depends on it"

So sometimes it does run faster. However, I would like to know how Final Burn Neo compares rather than MAME, since that's what anyone who plays CPS1 seriously via emulation will be using.

>>7939048
Your shilling is not working here. Go back to your containment thread.

Why does the mister make people so ass mad? As a fighting game fan this thing has been amazing, no more lugging around cps2 boards and superguns. Any weekly now can have any cps2 or neogeo game instantly, it's great.

>>7939284
A lot of the threads about it have inflammatory OPs like "Why haven't you bought a Mister yet?".
This aggravates people.

>>7939284
Also as a "power" emulation user (GTX 980 connected to CRT monitor) I actually really like the Mister project and hope it has great success.

>>7939249
Cope
>>7939275
Seethe
>>7939293
Dilate

>>7938480
>>7938502
You can handwave away or remain clueless about all the reasons why fpga is the ultimate answer if you like - none of this is a crime. However it won't change the reality.

I also don't know how you got this idea that there's no point for 16-bit but for others there might be. 8-bit and 16-bit are the only real reasons to choose FPGA, for fifth gen and beyond you're going to need the actual console to play it right - of course you might play a similar game and enjoy it if you like, but it won't be very close to the original.

>>7939315
>Cope
>Seethe
>Dilate
Is what you're doing. Fucking off to your containment thread is what you need to do.

>>7939323
8 Bit and 16 Bit are easily emulated. There's no need to get an FPGA device to play 2D games.

>>7939331
You don't understand. There are latency issues that physically can't be overcome on a PC, even byuu has admitted it and tried to explain how it will never be as good as FPGA (and of course byuu was arguing for emulation but had to admit this in the process).

>>7939172
>buy a 30 year old arcade machine or don't play it at all

>>7939331
8 Bit and 16 Bit are easily emulated inaccurately. Yes.

>>7939416
proof?

>not trying emulators/FPGA's/original Hardware side by side to autistically compare for yourself rather than rely on the word of schizo shitposters with buyer's remorse
Get a job. Mister is based, emulation is good as a last resort/cheap alternative or if you don't care about glitches or input delay/lag, or if you want high internal res/scaling and mods.
>is 16bit pointless?
video games are all pointless

>>7939436
>video games are all pointless
Keep your self-hatred/midwit philosophy to yourself please. Nothing I do is "pointless", and videogames are not something I'd consider a bad vice.

>>7939449
>Nothing I do is "pointless", and videogames are not something I'd consider a bad vice.

Don't talk to me in images please. Either respond like a grown up or don't respond at all. And especially don't respond with a shitty zoomer meme like "cope" that you are the only person over 19 that uses it.

>>7939475
you can still enjoy video game hobbies without the delusion you bucktoothed bediapered retard

>>7939323
>>7939338
God, you people are so clueless. Nobody is "denying reality". We know that latency is a thing that exists. Nobody cares. There has never been a single instance in any of the 20+ years I've emulated where I've needed to put in a frame-perfect input. The input lag on my wii is completely imperceptible and appears spontaneous to my eyes. Is it off by a few milliseconds and can that be measured objectively? Yes. Does anybody care? No. We do not perceive visually at the scope of frames and milliseconds.

>8-bit and 16-bit are the only real reasons to choose FPGA, for fifth gen and beyond you're going to need the actual console to play it right
No, 8-bit and 16-bit are the least impressive reasons to choose FPGA. Software emulation already can do everything it can do, and very few people are persuaded by "latency" and "accuracy" as a reason to shell out money for it for the reasons listed above. If the whole purpose of an FPGA is to eliminate all the fluff that adds to software emulation inaccuracy and to go directly to reverse engineering the systems themselves, then the fact that you would tell me to just go play on a real system itself seems to defeat the point. FPGA shouldn't strive to be an imperceptibly better version of higan, that's just ridiculous, nobody in their right minds would ever buy and set up an fpga box if that's all it could do.

>>7939338
>latency issues
Is only noticeable if you're using a wireless controller. Whereas a wired controller, I can play games with ease.

>>7939416
Inaccurate how? Imperceiveable lag issues that are off by milliseconds? LOL Go shill elsewhere, kid.

>>7939436
I have a job, which is why I own a beefy PC, my own house, my own car and so many game consoles and games. What do you got? A shitty apartment? lol

>>7938015
>The answer is yes

Consoles: maybe?
Arcade units: No.

>>7939614
Unless you're married owning an apartment seems like the smarter thing in this economy.

>>7938065
Literally no one is forcing you to not go back

>>7939628
>owning an apartment seems like the smarter thing in this economy.
how is owning a asset worth less, smarter?

>>7938015
I would say 32bit and beyond is more pointless, games just mostly use polygons and didn't use as many timing tricks to make the hardware do things it wasn't supposed to. Better graphics just used better optimization.

With 16 bit you having timing tricks such as water in genesis games, sonic 2 split screen, fx chip etc.
With 8 bit you have all sorts of tricks on the computers for the demo scene. Nes you will have score bar glitches with bad timing.
Arcade games often have strange frame rates such as 55 hz to 65 hz.
Atari 2600 and Atari Lynx has the framerate up to the programmer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJFnWZH5FXc

>>7939628
Not really. Renting an apartment isn't owning one.

>>7939565
Plenty of people obviously do care - hence the existance of real consoles and FPGAs. So you're denying the existence of people you're arguing against? C'mon.

> then the fact that you would tell me to just go play on a real system itself seems to defeat the point.
They have not reverse-engineered fifth gen systems to the exact I/O you get with SNES and other popular fourth gen and previous gen consoles. With a SNES it is the exact same as real hardware. Emulating fifth gen on a FPGA would be a piss poor choice.

You call me clueless, bitch you have no fucking clue. I could write pages and pages of stuff setting setting you straight but I'm done here fag, I'm not going to waste anymore time on your bullshit. I tried to be nice and it turned out to just be a waste of time.

>>7939434
>>7939612
Asked and answered. Either read the thread or continue to look retarded.

>>7939614
a better pc than you + a wife and a better house soon, you impotent greaseball

>>7939642
Not him but You can buy apartments you zoomer neet

>>7939645
>Plenty of people obviously do care - hence the existance of real consoles and FPGAs. So you're denying the existence of people you're arguing against? C'mon.
I never denied that very specific enthusiasts care or that they don't exist, I said most people aren't persuaded. If you're using my phrase "nobody cares", this is just hyperbolic, you know what it really means.

>They have not reverse-engineered fifth gen systems to the exact I/O you get with SNES and other popular fourth gen and previous gen consoles
I know they haven't. I am saying it would be a noble task if they did. It would be an impressive feat and would legitimately make FPGA worth buying. As far as I know, people ARE working on these cores, but just like you, I doubt they'll ever finish them. They'll need a better kit than the mister if they do.

My point is that the goal of FPGA is to reverse engineer the console. Therefore, the most desirable usage of FPGA would be to reverse engineer consoles that are difficult to emulate. Reverse engineering a console that *most people* would consider perfectly playable by *most emulators* is not an impressive use of the architecture. It's a necessary use, of course: if an emulation box CAN'T emulate the SNES then we're having problems. But that's the bare minimum of what people expect from a pricey machine. If that's its *limit* then it's understandable that people who are craving 5th and 6th gen console emulation aren't going to be impressed, when the whole FPGA project is itself about overcoming limits and versatility.

Also, while I did call you clueless (because you called me clueless first), I was mostly respectful in my disagreement. If you truly "are done here", don't bother responding.

>>7939653
an useless answer is not a proof, what 8/16 bit game runs differently on pc?, what level, what sprite? you just repeat what they told you but you don't have any proof

>>7939681
>what 8/16 bit game runs differently on pc?
All of them.

>>7939565
>There has never been a single instance in any of the 20+ years I've emulated where I've needed to put in a frame-perfect input.
And there have been thousands for me. It's called a one-frame link.

>>7939674
>Therefore, the most desirable usage of FPGA would be to reverse engineer consoles that are difficult to emulate.

How do you think they get there? Generation by generation. 3rd & 4th gen FPGA has not only improved emulation of those generations, it has prepared the ground for emulating later generations. The same developers who did that are now working on Saturn & PS1 using what they learned from NES & Genesis development. And $200 is not pricey at all, a SNES flashcart costs more. Get real, ffs.

>>7939674
>Also, while I did call you clueless (because you called me clueless first), I was mostly respectful in my disagreement. If you truly "are done here", don't bother responding.
>>7939565
>God, you people are so clueless.

What I called clueless was your perception of the problems people find with emulation.

>>7939794
Still here?

>>7939653
So you got nothing, Nathan, nada, zip? Alrighty, then loser.

>>7939658
Lying isn't going to convince me that you have anything better than me or that you have a wife.

>>7939670
Only if you're a millionaire, which I highly doubt you or him are.

>>7939681
He has no proof. He knows as well as we do that PC's are very cable of running 8 bit and 16 bit consoles accurately.

>>7939890
>Asked and answered. Either read the thread or continue to look retarded.

>>7939890
>the concept of marriage is an outlandish lie to this mutant
lmao sad, checkmate retard

>>7939239
>It's not my fault that when the flaws of emulation are revealed they cannot be unseen
I guarantee you will not notice your emulator running 0.08% too fast.

>>7938015
hahaha look at this fucking LEDbox bullshit.

>>7938065
It's all software emulation anyway.

>>7938015
Misters boot instantly and have zero overhead i.e. they don't need to compete with anything else for system resources. The only latency comes from your display and USB controller (most controllers will work great with the 1ms fast polling). Plus they have great RGB analog out at native res for CRT users

>>7940498
I dunno, I haven’t noticed any lag on my RGBPi for arcade games

>>7940216
True, but I do notice when it's running 45% faster >>7939172

>>7940604
apparently not if nobody noticed until a synthetic test was written

>>7940613
>nobody noticed

Apart from all the people who have known for decades that emulators are not accurate. You have to go back.

>>7940625
You weren't able to describe how it was inaccurate until you went looking for a reason to hate it.

>>7940627
Yes I was, any game that required fine control were demonstrably different. It's only RPG trannys that didn't notice AKA u nigga.

>>7940632
The only way it would make a difference to controls is if it were slowing down constantly, since it's the CPU speed and not the refresh rate that is inaccurate.

>>7940638
But it doesn't just slow constantly, it also speeds up and drops frames and loses sync and *25 years of documented complaints about emulation* I get it, you grew up emulating and you have no idea what you are comparing it to, but that's u nigga. Don't project your complete ignorance onto the rest of us.

>>7940648
>*25 years of documented complaints about emulation*
waiting

>>7940648
>25 years of documented complaints about emulation
can you link some for 8/16 bits?

>>7940649
Not my problem.

>>7940653
ok so you're lying then

>>7940648
Not that anon but you know you can lock that in RA with gsync

>>7940658
You mean this?
https://www.libretro.com/index.php/category/g-sync/

>>7940665
Probably, if you have VRR it definitely does improve it a lot
It completely eliminated all stutter for me

>>7940680
And most input lag*

>>7940680
But you see my point?
>new feature
>August 2018
That's 2 decades this issue persisted for.

>>7940692
Did you hear about turning vsync off? it's like you never used a pc before

>>7940692
>But you see my point?
no, no I don't

>>7940703
So why did RA need this new feature 8 years after it was first released?

This is a rhetorical question, btw.

>>7940723
because VRR hasn't been a thing since CRT until G-Sync came along

>>7940632
>Misterfaggot calls others trannies
Case of pot calling the kettle black there.

Original hardware on a CRT picked from the side of the road will always be the patrician option. Anything else, you aren't actually playing anything.

>>7940734
>emulators never had sync issues until 2018
You have to go back.

>>7940740
Post a pic of your 100% complete Neo Geo, SNES, Genesis, NES, Master System library. You won't.

>>7940749
>emulators never had sync issues until 2018
oh? where did I say that?
also what are you even arguing right now?
that we've come a long way with emulation?

>mister devs "creates" a problem
>sells you a overpriced solution
profit

>>7940752
>that we've come a long way with emulation?
Yes. 25 years of bugs, such as Mame running 45% faster.

>>7939907
>>7939935
t. Seething MiSTercuck

>>7940764
Exactly! Which is why I would never buy a MiSTer. Emulation on PC is the best way to enjoy retro video games, plus it can do 5th and 6th gen unlike the MiSTer.

>>7940765
and what's your point?

>>7940787
That 25 years is one quarter of a century.

>>7940792
yes anon, there has been progress, again what is your point?

>>7940796
That emulators are inaccurate. Always have been, always will be. MiSTer chads don't have that problem though.

>>7940749
>>7940740 (You) #
>Post a pic of your 100% complete Neo Geo, SNES, Genesis, NES, Master System library. You won't.
Cheap flascarts are very nice.

>>7940824
You mean flashcarts that contain FPGA chips and cost more than a MiSTer? Doesn't sound very patrician, 2bh.

>>7940823
You realise the mister is where it is because of the progress made through software emulation right?
I will reiterate, what point are you trying to make

>>7940830
>yes but why yes but why
Are we playing last post wins? I'll win. MiSTer is also where it is because cavemen killed wooly mammoths and old stars blew up. Don't start latching on to MiSTer now that it's been proven that emulators always have and always will be INACCURATE.

>>7940842
So you are arguing that your emulation is more accurate than this emulation?
But we’ve already established in this thread that with VRR this isn’t a problem

>>7940828
Not all Flashcarts have FPGA faggotry in them and even if they did, they still cost less than buying a MiSTer, mister.

>>7940860
>But we’ve already established in this thread that with VRR this isn’t a problem
No, we haven't.
>>7940927
How much in total for flashcarts for Neo Geo, SNES, Genesis, NES & Master System?

>>7938015
>why fpga?
>low latency
>easy access to both analog and digital outputs
>no operating system to config "it just works"
emulation is is good as well but people are willing to pay more (and its still cheaper than original hardware) for a more convenient (and possibly better) experience. emulation and fpga are not enemies, developments in one often help the the other.

>>7938117
I was waiting to have all the addons from China but somehow my package got stuck in limbo. Currently I have only the De10-nano and just for shit and giggles I put some Genesis/GBA and PC engine games and connected it to my hdtv.

The only one that I have ever owned is the GBA and even that felt like emulation compared to the GB Player. I guess the issue is that I have access to all the games instead of a physical catridge.

It is strange since I also own the everdrives/sd2snes and I don’t feel like it is emulation.

>>7940785
>mistercuck
>allowing yourself to get tied down to one method of playing retroshit
>not having at least 3rd through 6th gen original hardware in addition to a mister
get a job or something dude

>>7941535
I have a job and now I have no time to play video games, I just collect hardware instead

>>7941535
I have a job, I just don't waste money on a MiSTer since my PC and PS Vita already does what the MiSTer does.

>>7941540
dam.........n....

Wii + CRT is the Chad's combo. Cheap, readily available, works totally fine for all the same shit misterfags brag about like neogeo, cps etc. All the really cool shit re: emulation basically requires a good PC anyways. Im just not moved by the idea of like, Shock Troopers... Now with increased accuracy. Like if your concern is playing the game, you've been able to do that just fine for a long time since the days of kawaks/nebula etc. Now, if you told me there's some small device or one that works in a different way etc that can output to a CRT easily, that'll run Naomi 2 flawlessly? Now we're talking. Even something like a next-gen Nvidia shield that can run PS2 and has HDMI 2.1 would be a lot more exciting than maybe, possibly getting a.. PS1 core by the end of the year or w/e, as if PS1 isn't by far the best emulated 5th gen hardware or that I don't have a mechapwn PS2 already sitting under my TV. At the end of the day the de-10 board isn't powerful enough for anything that would actually be exciting

>>7941756
Too much lag on the Wii.
Getting good controllers for fighting games is a hunt.

>Now, if you told me there's some small device or one that works in a different way etc that can output to a CRT easily, that'll run Naomi 2 flawlessly? Now we're talking.
There's a whole market of small emulation-box PCs. Look up ETA Prime and Taki Udon channels for reviews of those.

>>7940787
>i can't understand what 25 years is because im 12

>>7942497
are you alright there?
There was no point being made
he basically said it took 20 years for technology and development to match

>>7940765
>such as Mame running 45% faster
wot game?

>>7938015
The emufag fears what he doesn't understand.

>>7942736
care to explain MiSTeR smartass?

>>7938015
>I understand FPGA is able to run roms more efficiently than emulation
You mean it's *not* emulation? What the heck is FPGA? I thought it was just a more roundabout way of getting a Raspberry Pi.

>>7938484
>folx
Kill yourself immediately

>>7942737
No. Get a decent degree in the field of CS (Not one of the web dev meme one's) or EE.

>>7938484
>folx

God will drop you dead

>>7942509
>are you alright there?
Ah, the death cry of a zoomie who just failed
Anon made a perfectly clear point. If you're too retarded to understand it there's no one to blame but yourself. And your parents, your teachers, the principal of the elementary school you attend, etc.

>>7942978
>Anon made a perfectly clear point
sure he did anon, just like you have
you made it both clear that you had no point

>>7941756
Truth. People have been emulating neogeo games well enough for 20 years.Let's stop reinventing the wheel.

>>7942740
sorta, but it works at a much lower level which is why it can be more accurate with less work.

>>7943278
>well enough since before i was born

>>7943278
Over those 20 years people have always complained about the lag inherit with emulation. And discussions about a FPGA device solution have been going on since the late 2000s.

>>7943693
How is emulation inherently laggy?

>>7943693
stop lying

>>7942734
I think it's referring to instances of slow-down. So in instances where the action in games becomes too intense that slow-down will be 45% faster than the original hardware. Like in a shmup game with many enemies and bullets on screen at once.
In a fighting game I don't think you'd see it.

But I am just a layman here. I too would like to see a more detailed explanation.

>>7943720
You've got it down accurately.

>>7943702
Overhead from the operating system running the emulator. It can be reduced dramatically but it's always there.
>>7943718
I'm not lying. However, 20 years is a lie because people have been emulating Neo Geo a few years longer than even that. Neo Rage X was out in the 90s so I think it's more like 24 years.

When I was in college in the 2000s utilizing FPGA to clone video game systems was a dream scenario that has now thankfully come to pass.

>>7943731
I suppose that's true, but that's not any more lag than you'd get from just running a normal game on a PC.

>>7943734
Yes.
However, the fact remains that lag has been a concern in emulation over the decades. To say it was not or that "nobody" noticed or that it "didn't matter" or "only a few specialists cared" is not truthful.
That said, many people still managed to land 1 frame links or play rhythm games to the highest levels with a small amount of lag.

But for me run-ahead was a huge blessing and I can feel the difference.

>>7943746
I disagree with this, before run ahead, people only cared about sound and video quality and frankly speaking they were not able to grasp how lag could've affected their overall experience.
It's not something you think it's an issue UNTIL you have a benchmark reference from your own experience, and that said back in the day... peoples that were jumping and going back from og hardware to emulation all the time were truly able to really call something was off... and they were far from being numerous since after testing emulation they all end up sticking with og hardware at one poiint.
For the others, meaning the vast majority, that almost play exclusively via emulation for retro games, I'm pretty sure the "lag" was not even issue, since they thought it was normal in the first place, sure they played on og hardware in the past, but they will never be able to say how much less lag it was following the long time frame without using it anymore.

I even saw people thinking they lost their skills, how much they were better as a kid, but they probably never thought they were actually playing under better condition back in the day.

>>7943746
>To say it was not or that "nobody" noticed or that it "didn't matter" or "only a few specialists cared" is not truthful.
Only a few specialists did care though. The average person was happy just to play SMW on their PC. Only people that browsed emulation forums, rom hacking sites, or people with compsci backgrounds ever cared. Not sure why you won't admit that the average person didn't or still doesn't care.

Is there any rom to test this "lag"? I can think of something like wild gunman that show the time, some homebrew?

>>7944120
Here I tried that 240p manual lag test without runahead

And with 1 runahead, it didn't register like half because pressed early

>>7943734
Normal PC games (and 6th gen and above) are developed with lag in mind.

>>7944036
The average person played SMW for 5 minutes, couldn't get past the first castle due to lag, moved onto the next ROM and figured their reflexes were shot. Not sure why you can't admit that emulation is vastly inferior to FPGA.

>>7944027
>>7944036
You are not giving enough credit to your imaginary "average person". If you played video games at all seriously in the 2000s you were going to be browsing forums and rom hacking sites. And a good chance you were in college for something related to compsci, or at least you had an interest in the subject.

If you want to go with the opinions of the most casual of casual people who barely knew how to use the internet as your "average user" I don't really care about their opinions or habits. Although I don't really think there were as many as you think they were. Emulation is nerdy interest within a rather nerdy interest. And the years we are talking about were a time period when young people knew more about computers and technology than they currently do.

>For the others, meaning the vast majority, that almost play exclusively via emulation for retro games, I'm pretty sure the "lag" was not even issue,
It was. It was known about. Even by the casuals. Casuals meaning people over the age of 13 who knew how to install a driver. But there was no way around it yet so you just lived with it because the alternative (hardware piracy) was more complicated or more expensive (buying the original game).

>>7944186
>The average person played SMW for 5 minutes, couldn't get past the first castle due to lag, moved onto the next ROM and figured their reflexes were shot.
This is a silly thing to say and 99.9% of the time did not happen. Lag was not that bad or game breaking most of the time.
It's more like someone would be very good at some particularly hard arcade game (like some shmups) and found the emulation unsatisfactory so they returned to console ports and superguns.

>>7944120
>>7944146
>>7944157
240p Test Suite is the ROM name.

To do a proper test you need a camera that runs at higher than 60 fps and a LED connected to button. You also need something in a game that you know how many frames it takes to display.

>>7944027
>people
Emufags aren't people

>>7944365
95.8% of statistics are pulled out of someone's ass.

>>7944375
this is also not so realiable because is hard to tell when the buttons is pressed, unless you mod the input with a led or something

>>7938480
it's fun bitch

Mister Pister!
This hardware crap is a bad meme for moronic autists. Use a fucking Emulator, like a normal person!!!

>>7944453
That is literally what I just wrote.
>and a LED connected to button.

This thread in a parallel universe:
Dude, are you stupid?! Just use software rendering! GPU's shills just want to sell you their meme device. My CPU can do anything. Man, why waste 200$ on a GPU when my CPU can already do software rendering?!

>>7938015
Sure if latency isn't a big deal to you then ya it would be pointless.

The mister plays neo geo, cps2, sega cd, and gba now though. Plus the form factor and being able to output to a crt makes it a great all in one device. If none of these things interests you just build a pc.

>boot up cvs2 with a buddy on an emulator for fun
>instantly notice the insane lag
>we both regularly make top 8 and occasionally win our locals, but with this input latency we can't even do a hadoken consistently
>a shinku hadoken input is impossible
>friend finally is able to perform one
>the emulator slows down to 20 frames during the move
>it just crashes
>we laugh our heads off for 10 minutes
>end up just popping in a mister ot play cps2 and the lag free and glitch free experience washes it all away
This was on an i7 and rtx 2080, emulation is embarrassing lmao

>>7944669
>mister
>cvs2

>>7944724
Nowhere was that implied eslfag

>>7944359
Emulation was popular when I was in middle and high school. I guarantee that none of the people I knew irl who used it were into any of that stuff, they barely knew how to Google roms and were lucky enough that sites like emuparadise existed, none of them ever ventured into the forums likely. All you're saying here is you were one of those people who was "into it" and are thus biased because the community seems really large to you when they are a fraction of the people who emulate.

>>7944186
Saying SMW was virtually unplayable for 20+ years is the most retarded thing I've ever read.

>Not sure why you can't admit that emulation is vastly inferior to FPGA.
I've admitted multiple times that it is less latent than software emulation. The only argument I've ever made here is that most people aren't persuaded enough to care.

>>7944669
that never happened

>>7944737
Another /vr/ post where "everyone" in a past scenario is revealed to be code for "all the kids in my school that I personally had interactions with".
FYI: People over the age of 18 did play video games including through emulation before 2010.

>middle schoolers

>>7944749
Except you're still trying to argue that forum dwellers actually are the majority of users, which you know is never the case in literally any hobby. For every 100 users on a forum are 10,000 other emulator users not on a forum. Get real. The example I gave were people I knew irl, but I obviously am aware of people I knew on the internet who emulated who were not computer savvy and did not frequent emulation forums. No matter what example I provide, the initial premise pretends that users in niche internet forums that have highly specialized interests and talents are in fact the majority representation of emulation users, and everybody knows that is absurd just on face value.

>>7944669
>cvs2 on an emulator
Oh?
And which emulator was that?

>>7944762
This discussion started with
>Over those 20 years people have always complained about the lag inherit with emulation
Which going by the current direction of your argument is that "forum dwellers" opinions don't count. But people who barely know how to turn on a PC do.
Is that about right?

>>7944771
NullDC, Redream, Flycast all emulate that game

>>7944802
That's not where the discussion began, my first post was several before that and that was a response to me. My initial point was that nobody but specialists cared, and the only example you can provide otherwise are specialist. My whole conclusion is that the average person just isn't persuaded out of software emulation, doesn't know what emulation devs and contributors talk about on their forums, doesn't perceive any lag, do not play games which require frame perfect inputs, and so on. No matter how many programmers you can show me who know how to pinpoint the exact lag doesn't change that the average person doesn't care, and yes, the average person includes randos who barely know how to use Google, no matter how much you want to pretend that they don't matter. They're playing games just like everybody else.

>>7944829
I know, it runs well on flycast so I'm wondering if he used one of the others

>>7944875
>My initial point was that nobody but specialists cared, and the only example you can provide otherwise are specialist.
This is because you are classifying every type of person who would disprove your argument as a specialist.

What's your greater point here anyway? Is it " the average person just isn't persuaded out of software emulation"? No shit. No one is saying otherwise. We all know the Mister is a niche device. Where did someone imply otherwise here?

>>7944880
The story is either made up or they just don't know how to use a computer.

shit like this is just for speed runners you noobs. if you have perfect emulation and save states you can practice up and GDQ on real hardwares to impress other noobs

>>7944875
Average gamers in the 2000s used forums and knew about emulator lag.

>>7944906
or you can just use real hardware with an everdrive

>>7944921
Not as easy with a CPS1/2. There are multi-boards available but I think they have some issues too.

>>7938015
I don't know anything about it since I play on real hardware but how is the audio compared to an emulator? From what I understand emulators struggle with mega drive audio.

>>7944928
I guess so, I just use RGB-Pi and I don't notice any lag

>>7944884
Maybe because input latency is inherently a specialist topic.

>No one is saying otherwise. We all know the Mister is a niche device. Where did someone imply otherwise here?
The whole thread is "is it worth it?", to which I said to the average person no. You or whoever else it was took issue with that.

>>7944908
I mean, I did. But I wasn't average. Few here are average.

>>7944951
The words "average person" do not appear at all in the OP post.
It also goes on to describe emulation on the Series X via RetroArch, which is something only "specialists" would do.

>>7944880
probably redream, it is not playable due to input lag

>>7944990
not only that but the audio emulation is fucking terrible in it, I can't believe the dev has the gall to charge for a barely functioning emulator
fair enough if was actually good

>>7944970
I gave my perspective to the basic question, which was "is it worth it?", I'm not speaking on behalf of OP. I don't care about retroarch either, that's getting into hobbyist territory too, seems most people prefer standalone stuff like snes9x and pj64.

ITT: Poorfags lying to themselves about lag because $200 is a major financial investment to them. It's amazing how a MiSTer thread never fails to bring them out.

>>7945465
t. nigger who can't afford consoles and flashcarts/ODEs

>>7945465
this >>7940764
it should be called iMister

>>7945472
>afford consoles and flashcarts
t.zoom zoom who started collecting last week

>>7945484
Rotting plastic and storage has always been a problem and playing with settings for an hour in RetroArch was never a solution. MiSTer is a great solution to both.

>>7945497
cope harder, no variety of emulation will ever compare to real hardware, everything else is poorfag bargaining

>>7945502
Works on my MiSTer.

>>7945504
zsnesniggers say that too.

>>7945506
Urgh lag. No thanks.

just admit it, the mister is a downgrade

>>7945573
Shaders are gay, just display on a CRT.

>>7945465
>Poorfags
I'm pretty sure computers are more expensive than a mister

>>7945582
Exactly. So when people bring up the cost of a MiSTer, you know you are dealing with the kind of retard that has bought into the sunk cost fallacy. These idiots will lie to themselves about the well documented flaws of emulation because $200 is a big deal to them. They disqualify themselves from the discussion, because there is no comparison between a $200 FPGA and every single PC on the planet. The MiSTer wins in accuracy tests every single time, but "I already spent all this money on my RGB gaymer set up, I'm fine with lag and sync issues and actually I only play these games for the shaders anyway because I'm a fucking retard".

Many such cases ITT.

>>7945713
amazing lack of self awareness

>>7945713
>well documented flaws of emulation
179 replies and I still didn't see any

>>7945716
Not an argument, poorfag.

>>7945734
That's your problem. I suggest you see an ophthalmologist.

>>7945734
he's a superhuman who can detect a few milliseconds of lag

>>7945736
>poorfag
says the fag who emulates instead of using real hardware

>>7945713
Because it’s a one trick pony
You are not constrained to a small set of emulators

>>7945736
ctrl+f 'http' , documented flaws = 0

>>7945740
Post a pic of your 100% complete Neo Geo, SNES, Genesis, NES, Master System library. You won't.

>>7945794
Flashcarts exist.

>>7938015
>but muh fighting games!1 What about muh frame perfect inputs?!

>>7938065
MiSter shills love to LARP for attention.

>>7939714
Faggy LARP

>>7939695
False. Mario 1 and 3, wrecking crew, Rainbow Islands, Bubble Bobble Startropics (at least) all play the same on my real Nintendo.

>>7940498
>Mister uses its hardware more efficiently

Who cares? It doesn't have as much juice as any modern computer so of course it has to. How does this perceptibly enhance the experience?

>>7945827
His point is that it results in lower latency.

>>7941347
I can get behind this. I am just irritated at all the
>le mister is clearly massively superior to emulation and you're a fool if you disagree
That I take exception to.

>>7943731
If it wasn't clear your previous post was a LARP you just exposed yourself

>>7944186
Wanna guess how we know you aren't arguing in good faith? Typical mister shill

>>7944534
Bad analogy. The jump in performance from software to hardware rendering positively dwarfs any supposed performance boost the mister currently offers over retro emulation. On an old computer with a voodoo, even the most casual could tell the difference between modes; but even hardcore retro gamers are unlikely to notice the dreaded input lag that people love to pretend is noticeable to their ultrafast honed reflexes.

>>7944669
>The newest, most bleeding edge still in development emulators for newish retro games have flaws that are generalizable to all emulators
Patently fallacious, not to mention I bet whatever performance the emulator was doing was impressive in its own right

>>7945465
I think a snake oil salesman is a better analogy here. Loves attention, loves to hype [product], delivers mediocre results.

>>7945829
That wasn't his point. It is a separate "point" that noone actually defends once their bluff about noticing latency is called.

>>7945573
Why the fuck would I ever apply shaders ever?
I don't do it emulating on my PC with a LCD
I don't do it using my Mister on a CRT TV
I don't do it when I have my CRT computer monitor connected to my main desktop
Shaders don't even look correct for what they claim they're attempting to create the look of, that includes CRT-Royal

>>7945798
And you're too poor to have any.

>>7945867
Who the fuck is "we", the grand council of butthurt poorfags? You fucking schizo.

>>7946086
Sounds like poorfag cope.

>>7945575
Can the crt look like this for gameboy?

>>7946098
It is, notice how he won't post pics of his flashcarts. I bet he doesn't even own any hardware.

>>7946123
Yes.

>>7946123
Looks a bit gay. I love me some gameboy on a small CRT but why would I go for a puke green? Either b/w or sgb colors.

>>7945465
>>7945504
>Shills for MiSTer
No one wants to buy that trash. Those who do, have regretted it.

>>7938015
Yes FPGA is pointless, especially if you own a PC, there's really no use for an FPGA device. Plus if people want to play light gun games, they can use their Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis, instead of an Analogue console or a MiSTer. Although I think it's very possible playing light gun games on an HDTV using a PS Move.

>>7945465
I'm not joking, I genuinely wish I had your eyes, because the inputs appear almost perfectly spontaneous on all my emulation set ups. I wish I could see this lag that is worth the extra $200 to defeat.

Also, you know you're lying about it being $200, in the current mister thread there's some guy that spent $500 just to set it up and he still doesn't have all the parts he needs.

>>7946191
Close, but not close enough
>>7946206
>but why would I go for a puke green?
Because that's how a GameBoy looks like

>>7946250
>Because that's how a GameBoy looks like
real ones prefer the super gameboy over the og.

>>7946243
>thing I don't notice doesn't exist
See the problem with that, dumbass?

>all the parts he needs
This is like saying a PC costs 50k because you NEED a fully rigged out Mac. A DE10 is less than $200. FACT.

You're all kinds of intellectually dishonest it seems.

>>7938015
>Is 16 bit FPGA pointless
Not when it comes to playing CD Games.

>>7946338
Why CD games specifically?

>>7946329
never said it didn't exist retard, Jesus christ like 50 posts in this thread are all me acknowledging that latency exists. I just don't see it with my own eyes. Notice I used the word "appear". The inputs "appear" spontaneous, I have never perceived inspontaneous inputs. I have never felt like a jump, fire, or attack has ever been delayed, I have never felt like I needed to pre-time the input to compensate for lag, and I've certainly never once had to play a game which required frame perfect inputs as I generally stay away from speedrun tactics and boring fighting games.

And of course the product is available at a range. You just listed the lowest possible price and I called it out because it's misleading, it seems the average person in the mister thread spends at least $100 extra.

so how much lag is this dude actually complaining about
is it like 100ms or what?

>>7946362
>it exists
>I don't see it
Not my problem.

>the average person
Needs no more than a DE10, $20 RAM and another $10 for a pad and a heatsink. A grand total of $170. Less than a flashcart for one system.

>>7946369
15ms at most

>>7946392
sounds like it's not actually a problem for anybody.

>>7946340
MiSTer plays CD games as though you were playing them on brand new hardware. Brand new hardware doesn't exist anymore.
I find that most emulators are lacking for playing CD games.

>>7946492
Correct, as you shouldn't be caring how other people play games. The whole topic is retarded.

>>7946531
You're perfectly fine playing however you want. Don't know where you got the impression that because I don't care to buy a mister nobody else should either. I'm not OP.

>>7946492
>it doesn't exist
>ok it exists
>I don't see it
>ok I do see it
>It's not really a problem
^you are here
>ok it is a problem
>I'm just too poor to do anyting about it

>>7946579
>it doesn't exist
Never even once claimed it didn't exist.

>ok I do see it
Never once said I saw it.

The actual trajectory is this:
>it exists
>I don't perceive it
>it isn't really a problem

>>7945872
It's the perfect analogy.
If you need an example ... let's forget about all the sound and video issues and only focus on one single component to make the difference clear.

Let's take the MOS 6502 CPU.
The MOS 6502 was decapped and layouted more than 10 years ago, and even a proper software simulator exist. (https://media.ccc.de/v/27c3-4159-en-reverse_engineering_mos_6502#t=2007))
But here's the catch. Even your 3k gayming pc is incapable of running the hardware simulation in real time, and this is only one component of a whole system, and the MOS 6502 isn't even that complex.

You can cope with an okayish boiled down software emulation that needs a ton of resources to even get close to what it wants to be. I'm gonna say fuck it and achieve near perfect results with the proper tools with a fraction of the price.

>>7947126
>let's forget about all the sound and video
NO! WHY? i'm still waiting for someone to post a documented issue with PC emulation

PC Emulation in a nutshell:
"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

I've been able to play and beat dozens of 16 bit titles on a shit PC. I've never noticed any input lag whatsoever. Feels like I'm play Snes or Genesis... you people are autistic

>>7947157
Here you go
>>7938928

>>7947161
How many of those games required fast and accurate timing?
How many of them have you played on original hardware for comparison?

>>7947162
That is not an issue, if you play on pc, you already know that vsync should be off, or just use gsync.
Also that is not a documentation, is just some random dude talking out of his ass

>>7947174
>Also that is not a documentation, is just some random dude talking out of his ass

You realy should look up what higan is and who wrote this doc's

>>7947197
>You realy should look up
No ty, i'm not the one selling the product.

>>7947216
>You realy should look up what higan is and who wrote this doc's
>No ty, i'm not the one selling the product.

Emufags in a nutshell.

Faggot look up who byuu is. That's the guy why your peeps and bloops don't sound like crakeld noise like in zsnes.

>>7947220
>Emufags
>Faggot
You convinced me, I'm going to buy one right now........

>>7947253
I don't fucking care what you buy, or don't buy. I don't even care if a fucking truck hits you tomorrow.

>>7947269
>I don't fucking care what you buy, or don't buy. I don't even care
Why whould you? you don't know who I am. You know how the internet works right?

>>7938015
The primary point of FPGA is to have input delay to be as close as possible to the original system. For fighting games, rhythm, shmup, puzzle, and action platformers this is very important for high level players.
If this doesn't affect you then don't buy it.
But don't complain or say it's "pointless" when other players say they can tell the difference.

>>7947126
>>7947197
You can't even spoonfeed these retards, which is why I never bother trying. It's much more fun to let them spend two days revealing their ignorance before dropping the official documentation for their precious emulators on them like a ton of bricks. It's amazing how pseuds can put so much effort into this, dropping buzzwords like GSYNC all over the place, and yet they have never read a single page of the 25+ years of documentation in this area. It really is true that people are poor because they are stupid and people who emulate are the dumbest sons of bitches in the entire western hemisphere.

>>7938065
I think you overestimate how many people actually care about perfect emulation or preservation. Most people just want to play old vidya the way they remember, and frankly ZSNES was doing that good enough 20 years ago. At this point, advancements in emulation for anything older than the PS1 (or Nintendo DS for handhelds) comes across as nothing more than autism.

>>7947313
>revealing their ignorance

>dropping buzzwords like GSYNC all over the place
Are you describing yourself?

>>7947316
Those people are not on this board, so why care about them?

>>7938015

> mom I want a sound card
> we have a sound card at home
This is how emutards sound when talking about MiSTer.

>>7947339
I think there are way more here than you would think. Frankly every time I see people talking about MiSTer, Analogue, Trinitron, etc. I just end up thinking about all the audiophile shit I used to see on /g/.

>>7947316
Eventually original hardware will die (already happening to Jaguar CD) and there will need to be something to compare to for playability much less accuracy. MiSTer and FPGAs allow for that to happen.

>>7947385
Have you ever considered that you are just a pleb?

>>7947385
Yeah I can see why a $200 board invokes the same feeling of inadequacy as a $30k audio lead, because both are way out of your reach.

>>7947383
Anon it seriously isn’t that big a difference. Mister is an awesome project and has tons of potential for preservation. But saying it’s Iike A shitty Pc speaker versus hood speakers is ridiculous. Also PC speakers aren’t some shitty things they’re quite robust and can sound really good. My Dell Pentium has dual Sony cones built in PC speakers that the onboard audio run through. You’re an idiot and poser for not knowing how PC speakers work

>>7947162
Not a problem if you use a CRT.

>>7947303
Like it’s already been stated, gsync solves this issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYPB4Y8qrWw

>>7948070
Enjoy your tearing.

>>7948085
>tearing
>gsync
anon pls

>>7948085
The whole point of VRR is to avoid tearing.

>>7948086
>>7948089
Did I stutter, motherfucker? Oh no, that was GSYNC.

>>7948105
I think you don't know what VRR is or you're just baiting

>Just use gsync ™

>Enable vsync
> ... But it must be configured for your monitor ...
> RetroArch can give you only an estimate of your monitors refresh rate (compositors can easily interfere with timing)
> If the running average isn't drifting much anymore, it's probably a good result.
> Some systems tend to have very unreliable VSync behavior and this result will wildly fluctuate.
> There have been cases reported on excessive input lag in Windows for some users. It's not really input latency, but video driver latency.
> Do note that this sync method can greatly reduce performance, and can turn smooth 60 fps into crawling 30 fps if there was not enough headroom in the performance.
> If your video driver has very bad performance, it is possible to run it on a thread to avoid almost all video driver overhead. Set video_threaded = true in config. Butter smooth VSync behavior in this case is impossible however, and latency might increase slighly.
> ...

https://docs.libretro.com/guides/optimal-vsync/

The power of retroarch...

>>7948157
>vsync = gsync
keep digging that hole

>>7948157
>If
>If
>If
gotta admit, you sure did put a lot of effort into your bait

>>7948170
>bait
>>7946579

>>7947412
>PC speakers aren’t some shitty things they’re quite robust and can sound really good.
no just no
One of my favorite feature about my Mister is how easy it is to hook up to my hifi gear through optical out or HDMI. All these old games sound so good hooked up to a good amp and speakers.

>>7948240
And you couldn’t use your hifi before?
I’m beginning to think the only thing you had before was a raspberry pi or some handheld Chinese emulator

>>7948312
Old hardware that the Mister supports did not have a optical or digital audio without modding those systems.

>>7948335
just use plain old phono cables hipster

>>7948338
no Im not poor

>>7948335
>misterfags are literally audiophiles
just when I thought this thread couldn't get any better

>>7948342
> Getting digital audio out of the box
> just use plain old phono cables hipster

Noooooo you can't just use the optical out of the MiSTer! kekw

>>7948342
Imagine complaining about having options. The absolute state of shit eaters.

>>7948335
You can use optical audio from your computer though

>>7938015
Any time I see a thread posted about the MiSTer, I think of how overpriced this emubox is.

People that only play games emulated on their laptops are sad pathetic beta males.

>>7948847
False. People who don't buy overpriced FPGA devices and are smart enough to play on Laptop or PC are Chads.

>>7948847
No one wants to buy your meme box.

>>7938015
Software emulators range between somewhat inaccurate to very inaccurate. Modern cpus are totally unsuited to accurate emulation at reasonable speed. Traditional software emulators advance the different emulated components of the system in chunks, often line by line, 15k steps per second, but for some systems this is very inaccurate. The Sega genesis for example, has two cpus, these can interact with each other such that for accurate emulation the cpus must be stepped clock cycle by clock cycle, combine that with the sound and graphics hardware which must stepped cycle by cycle as well, and you are now jumping between components tens of millions of times per second completely killing the L1 cache and overwhelming the branch prediction, basically nullifying the performance advancements of a modern cpu.

>>7949048
It's the best selling FPGA board thanks to MISTer project...

>>7949048
No one here is selling any. Put away your tin foil hat and tampons.

>>7950629
>>7951169
Way to contradict yourself.

>>7951229
You're not very intelligent are you?

>>7951251
Intelligent enough to not buy a MiSTer from you, Mister.

>>7938330
>My PC is beefy enough to handle any 16 bit system.
Woah what a beastly PC you got there.

A ten year old MacBook Air can emulate 16bit and sega cd just fine.

>>7951837
but what about the two special snowflake snes games that require a supercomputer to emulate accurately

>settle for less

It's amazing how people will put up with inferior hardware and lie to thenselves about instead of just admitting they are jealous and poor.

lol.. zoomers don't get it. they never will. all they know is lag and inaccuracy. I used to think it was OK to emulate super mario world on my computer, next thing you know? my wife left me. she left a note for me saying I need to get serious and that she couldn't be satisfied by a man like me. ever since I got a mister, life has changed dramatically. I was blind to see that all the lag I was dealing with was leaving me with inaccurate results when it came to how my life was meant to be going. I invited her over one day to show her the kind of performance I have now, and wow - she actually went out to the driveway where Tyrone had the car running and told him to get lost. that night, she submitted to me and our commitment to eachother and God is stronger than it's ever been now. poorfags will say this is all bullshit, while they play their shit tier emulated super metroid their wife's boyfriend got them.. lol.. sucks to be a pajeet!

Threadly reminder: Rotate your cores regularly or, really if you're not poor you should just have one mister per system you intend to play. You don't want to fuck around with gate burn-in, it can get ugly.

>>7951980
wat

>>7951998
He posts it every week.

>>7952082
what's that, gurjinder? all I heard was "dirka dirka"

>>7951837
Did you wipe the drool off your chin after you wrote that?

>>7953738
Lmao, you're the one buying widdle mister toys.

>>7951978
lol

>>7954049
That's what you call buying a Terasic DE-10 FPGA Kit for $130? Oh no, you think MiSTer owns Terasic and makes them as some kind of scam. LMAO

I wonder if there's anyone else here like me who just thinks FPGAs are cool in general and is excited about consumer applications of them as they get cheaper.

>>7939436
>video games are all pointless
ok so I don't need to buy a mister then

>>7954106
There's at least two of us.

>>7939436
>he thinks being alive isn't pointless
Lmao you pretentious nigger.

>>7940486
FPGAs dont run software. silly.