/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7922364
some of them

>>7922364
gimmick

>>7922389
i just mean stuff like a right scrolling platformer, if you go left and wait ghosts 'n goblins gives you a tornado which scoots you either across the map or through a few levels at the beginning

>>7922364
>mastering
Not Zelda, throwing fire at every bush is not mastering anything.

>>7922493
sure it is, not every bush has a secret, but every screen does

>>7922496
How would you know that before knowing where the secrets are?

>>7922364
Very few. Most of the time you just wander aimlessly doing random shit until it works.
Now be sure to read the manual and buy the walk-through anon.

>>7922515
considering they are secretive, i would say
>mastering the mechanics

>>7922515
You figured it out after bombing every rock and burning every bush on the map. Not kidding, that's how it was done.

After filling every single box in this Sudoku puzzle with every number until I got the right combination, I can now firmly say I have mastered Sudoku.

>>7922540
or you could just ask your friends
oh wait my bad

>>7922393
How is that mastering the mechanics of the game?

>>7922548
the game teaches you subtle about searching out secrets, and rewards you when finding them? don't be such a nitpicking nancy

>>7922496
>sure it is, not every bush has a secret, but every screen does
No, it doesn't.

>>7922560
lol never went for 100% aye

>>7922540
So to figure out there is a pattern to help you find the secrets you still need to bomb and burn every tile to find all of the secrets.

>>7922580
nop

>>7922364
All of them. For example, in Zelda if you "mastering the mechanics" of using the dpad you can use it to take you to new "secret" screens.

>>7922496
I've been playing Zelda 1 without a guide and there is zero skill in bust burning.
>>7922540
This, like the old men and hint ladies give you a lot of useful tips but the only tree that stands out is the one that leads to the eighth dungeon, bomb walls are a bit easier to find because you're not limited to using one bomb per screen.

>>7922496
This. It's insane how many people get filtered by this game

>>7922364
>burning a random bush is mastering mechanics

You’re not supposed to find them all. You’re supposed to feel smart and get rewarded by finding a few and telling your friends and maybe they found a few or maybe a magazine has a secret or two. It’s an exploration game. 100%ing collectathons is zoomer shit popularized by rare

>>7923305
>100%ing collectathons is zoomer shit
Kek this is absolutely true, and it's so depressing to see it permeate modern games so thickly. Gen z would rather grind shit out for hours than actually have games designed around improving their skill.

>>7924825
>never got to the top of the castle in Mario 64
>never got full hearts in any of the Zelda games
Why are you even here?

>>7922364
>mastering the mechanics of the game
a mystery for zoomers

>>7924832
Those aren't collectathons nor do they imbue the aforementioned design philosophy of modern games from my previous post. It wasn't my intention to imply that I don't think games should have collectables or extra challenges to 100% it, or anything along those lines. On the contrary, actually. For some games it's great. When I hear collectathon, I think more of a paradigm shift from how platformers used to be (ya know, primarily about platforming, or its mechanics, puzzles, whatever it may be) to games where the soul purpose seems to be just mindlessly scouring the levels ad tedium to 100% them. For example, compare the DK trilogy to DK 64, or the SMB trilogy + world to SMW2

>>7924825
>it's so depressing to see it permeate modern games so thickly
it doesn't retard

>>7924825
Modern games are so fuck huge now that most people don't even attempt 100% anymore.

>>7924951
I would argue that it does in spirit through grinding mechanics for various skins or useless gear. Obviously not literally "find all 100 red orbs", or some shit like that. I suppose one could argue that's from shitty rpg's, but whatever, fuck you.
>>7924956
Never claimed otherwise.

>>7924997
an open world 3d platformer collectathon would be amazing, you Sir fuck you

>>7925040
Depends, would there be ACTUAL platforming? Most "platformers" these simply don't actually have any (2d and 3d). Level design? If collecting at least some of the items doesn't require skill, why even bother?

>>7925165
if it were me i would take Mario 64 and Zelda OoT and merge them together

>>7925181
While SMB1-3 remain some of my favorite games of all time, I was so disappointed with yoshis island I never touched Mario again until NSMB on wii, and I've only played the nes and snes Zelda, so I would have no idea what such a game you propose would even look like, but if it actually had interesting platforming and level design I would give it a shot.

>>7922364
> light every fuckin tree on fire
mechanics = mastered

>>7925192
i imagine a game where you collect pieces of toad's starship or marios odyssey and an extra optional thing for 100% completion and it might lead to an island, mountaintop, or cloud dungeon