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Haven't heard from muttmod anon in a while. Maybe he started that untwinked barb playthrough of his own mod and was driven to insanity.

>>7893529
muttmodanon...

>>7893515
>fetish thread
Hey, you remembered

>>7893993
Said I would, so I did.

Dropped a second one of these. Speeds up the baal kills quite a bit for a bowazon.

3:1 Raise:Mastery while leveling<40 makes the total health and damage output of the team greater than 1:1

>>7894141
who said 1:1?

>>7894141
Why not play bone then respec at 40

Don't see many purple items.

>>7894141
dumb anime poster, who are you even talking to?

>>7894168
Doing the exact opposite of this makes more sense

>>7894178
No it doesn't. Straight up skelly summoner sucks. At least use CE

There must be something funky with the stat sheet and might+concentration. With just conc at level 3, which gives +90% damage, I gain around 450 increased physical and barely feel like my damage increases at all. With might on top of that, which adds +200%, it feels like my damage has doubled, despite only increasing the stat sheet by around 900.

Maybe they work differently somehow.

>>7894192
Oh I am the big dumb. Was on nightmare....

>>7894187
>CE
Well that's a given, later. 1.10+ summoner stomps everything if you put early points into the summons rather than CE. I never needed to throw a CE until norm cows. Didn't even bother casting a hex until andy.

>>7894141
my 20:1 beats ur silly 3:1 cuz I will surely buy that wand and maybe even find some decent head anyway senpai desu

What's the best version to play that's significantly different than 1.13/4?

>>7895860
1.09

What are your favourite singleplayer builds?

>>7896369
Physical bowzon, summon necro without corpse explosion and find item barb. Hardcore holy freeze zeal pally.

>>7896369
kicksin.

I found a really good scepter for my pally but I've been using it for an act and a half now. What do you guys do when you're stuck with loot?

>>7896902
stop being sentimental about it unless it's a 30% RW and tri-res boots.

>>7896902
Depends on the build. Sometimes you can farm a runeword, shop for something or farm a boss like meph. Other times you just stick with it, sometimes if something is good enough then there's no need to replace it anytime soon.

Have you seen anything better yet?

>>7896907
It's hard to find something that either matches its damage or bonuses.

>>7896930
For act 3 it's really not that impressive at all. A Steel, Malice or Strength runeword would be better. Strength especially for bosses.

You could even shop for a blue scepter that has +skills for the aura you're using, which I hope is not Holy Fire at this point. Freeze or Shock are so much more useful. Say those three all at level 10, holy fire gives you 49–61 with no synergies. Freeze gives 65–70 AND perhaps the best crowd control skill in the game. Holy shock just straight up gives you 7x fires damage.

>>7896930
If you are trying to do melee damage, shop for a few minutes to find something with more damage, and be on the lookout for a 4os war scepter (probably not til act5 norm) to make Holy Thunder, I guess (?)

>>7896975
what kind of shield do you recommend, one with lots of resistances or one with skill bonuses?

>>7897009
Both? Think. It depends what you need more in your build. You're also not exactly going to find a ton of shields with +skills all the time anyway. For someone with little clue what they're doing, resistances are likely better though.

>>7897009
Prioritize resists. If you don't find the aforementioned war scepter, then use qual-kek's runes to make ancients pledge. Very easy and useful.

>>7897009
Go with a shield with the max blocking chance you can find. If it's a pally shield, go for res version. The %ED pally shields are not that good, their added bonus will be negligible in between your skill damage bonus, your own aura damage bonus and your merc's might aura. If you even are running a physical pally in the first place.

>>7897009
at least +30 res, if you're really lucky and got 4os make a spirit. If not then 2os and make a Rhyme.

>>7897232
act2 and 3 vendors sell a lot of deflecting suffix shields. blocking is about the best part of a shield, but a pally with a point in HS can already get a good block rate no matter what
>>7897176
do this in a5
>>7897258
do this when you find a shael, or Amn, and an appropriate base, which is usually a lot later

>>7896950
Ended up getting a warhammer and socketing it with Tir and El, thanks.

>>7897294
nevermind, fucked up and the classes don't match runeword restrictions

>>7897301
Not hard to run back and farm countess for those runes again. Won't take long at all.

>>7897294
>>7897301
What did you end up with, anon?

>>7898963
ended up with nothing

Those 1.0 items tho.

>>7899597
Quality has been dropping the last few episodes, I feel.

>>7899618
Yeah wasn't as funny as usual, also missed out on the obvious seal not working glitch.

>>7899528
actually checked my save again and while i was too lazy to find a good 2 slot white weapon, i got a golden war scepter off of diablo himself

>>7899620
I thought his D1 videos were pretty good. I just had to look at that warrior and would start giggling like a retard.

>players 3 900% mf

>>7899671
Do it a thousand times now.

>>7899679
That's the plan if I want to complete this grail.

>>7899701
Enjoy.

>>7899705
Oh I am. 297 down, 2800ish to go.

>>7899723

>25 million spent of hard leather armour gambles with 50% reduced vendor price
>not one unique

>>7900026
Borderline experimental.

>>7894162
Sorry, I figured he would show up. He must have checked the skills.

>>7893515
Thread title goes in the Subject field, the name field is only for attention whores.

Just lost my hardcore druid at 94. Feels bad man.

>>7901710
>94
F

>>7901846
Wasn't paying attention and the transformation wore off right when I found a cursed archer pack. Instant kill.

finally stopped being retarded and did my first proper runeword, now everything dies in one hit on this char

>>7902605
Nice. Go for a Stealth armour as well. It's amazing early on.

>>7902907
when do you generally go for the act 1 imbue?

>>7902918
It's worthless. You'll never get anything good from it that won't be replaced in an hour or two anyway.

End game autism is to leave all of them til you're somewhere north of level 90, then use them on circlets or class specific items like barb helms or amazon bows.

Just use it for whatever you want.

>>7902918
Imbue has been more or less useless ever since LoD release and unique/runeword meta that killed most rares. You can imbue a circlet like mentioned, or maybe some gloves/boots since in those slots you can usually run some well rolled +resist +MF rare, but don't expect much.

>>7902918
I think you can luck roll some nice + run speed boots early on with it, that's what I see speed runners do so try that.

>>7902918
heh

Imbues generate massive bonus odds of staffmods on eligible items. There are different sweetspot clvls and ilvls depending on the base and the mlvl of the desired staffmod. The specifics are very complicated and no one here would know them (I sure as shit don't), and even the imbue guides on jsp are hard to decipher.

Because the treasure class, or something, is also a factor, if you ever find a white diadem you can imbue it with any level character in any difficulty and it can have any mod, just fyi

>>7903272
What is shitting out that much lightning? Traps?

>>7903601
ye

When dual wielding as a barb, are 2 handed swords objectively better than one handers or no? I have a white of both and want to use one for a runeword.

>>7903917
Depends on attack speed. If you can get the breakpoint, 2 handed swords are usually better because of longer range.

Pretty decent.

>>7905062
>knockback
Ew.

>>7905106
Actually useful against melee uniques because they hit like a fucking truck, so knockback interrupts them, killed Nightmare Hephasto just now without him landing a single hit. Most normal monsters die in 1-2 hits anyway with Vengeance+Conviction

Single pindle run. Really tempting to make something with the Mallet.

>>7905121
I don't think knockback works against uniques at all but I might be wrong. You are talking about interruptions caused by hit recovery, which is caused by inflicting damage higher than certain percentage of target's HP. Very possible if you play vengeance / conviction.

Enjoyable listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg6go2-ARys

>>7905141
Doesn't work against bosses like Diablo, but knockbacks and interrupts everything else. I wasn't stunlocking monsters with just hit recovery before getting that mod scepter. It's 1.0 so hell if I'm sure about anything that's happening otherwise.

Absolutely absurd for level 30.

>>7905882
>+250 to maximum damage
wew

what do i put it in?

>>7906393
I've never found them that useful outside of getting cannot be frozen onto non-standard builds.

Could make a Doom or Pride. They're fun.

>>7906393
>what do i put it in?
wirts leg

>my frenzy barb with burst of speed and vigor

These 'Eventidee' summoners in the muttmod chaos sanctuary are on a whole different level of bullshit. They spawn out multiple enemies at once and then teleport away and spawn more enemies. I was near maybe 10 of them for all of 15 seconds and this was the result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJwn7AhWMI

I have no idea how you're supposed to do this untwinked with a barb, let alone on Hell difficulty. This was just nightmare.

>>7896930
That scepter looks like ass, honestly. No synergy with anything. Something with sockets and a handful of gems would be better.

>>7905137
Can you stop shilling this mod?

>>7907828
If you want to keep the thread bumped, okay.

is there a normal-nightmare guide for characters on how to get them to hell most efficiently solo? i know all chars you go trist then tombs then baal runs, then nightmare baal runs, and all guide talk about goal endgame gear. none talk about the kind of gear you want on the way, or how you're supposed to solo bosses before you reach your OP level 30 skill to max it out. so yeah i'm looking for that kind of info

>>7908701
It's a lot simpler, than people realize. Farming tombs or trist or whatever is a waste of time. Anyone, even the most brainless summon necro player, can reach the start of Act 5 in normal without farming....and that is all you need to clear the first two difficulties.

Anything works. Once you're there, you can farm eldritch/pindle to go from level 25 through to 40 with no effort. Use /players command on P8. You'll gain levels super quick. It's worth using a respec here to swap to a build with more up front or aoe damage. Damage based magic spells of some kind. You swap back later.

Jumping from normal to nightmare is non existent. If physical bowazons can do it with next to no damage or item grinding, anyone can. Repeat to get to nightmare act 5 and repeat the grinding process to get to level 70+, farming baal waves as well. All the while you aim to get as much vit and res as possible on gear.

The only time anyone should have any difficulty in normal/nightmare is normal duriel and normal diablo. Duriel is just a matter of buying an act 2 mercenary and feeding him thawing potions. Diablo you go back to town repeatedly, healing or resummoning minions, until you slowly win. If you genuinely hit a roadblock past that, then you're a certified grade A brainlet or significantly lack understanding on the game.

It gets difficult when going from nightmare through to properly clearing the hell acts. Hopefully with the grind to level 70/75 you should have enough gear to start making your way through acts 1-3 hell. If not then you can farm nightmare mep and pindle for gear. Get a 4 socket chest piece, a 3 socket helm and fill it with perfect topaz, which you can farm from gem shrines in act 1 normal.

From that point it depends on your build. It will either come down to finding a high enough damage physical weapon or getting enough levels for skill damage. It's really not that hard to scrape through hell mode, even if slow. Just keep life and res up.

Also
>thread literally seconds from falling off the catalogue
>someone posts

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>7908701
Melee characters might need some more farming in early nightmare, but caster based builds just speedrun till hell and might kill hell Baal before melee even decide to advance to hell because they don't have to worry about shit like attack rating or getting raped after getting close to a pack of monsters. For most just run Countess for your Stealth runes, get level 25 before act 5 to avoid exp penalty, get your Lore, and Spirit in sword for most caster based characters, otherwise something like Honor in Twin Axe; Ancient Pledge or Rhyme for shield (or just anything with 3 perfect diamonds for resistances). Then depending on the runes you find in like early hell you can upgrade your Stealth to Smoke or Treachery, those can last you till endgame runewords, or till you find something neat like Tals chest or Skullder for MF purposes. If you get lucky early on you might find Spirit Shroud or Vipermagi, also pretty good midgame armors. Even speedrunning you will enter hell at like 55-60 minimum, if you need to farm run NM Mephisto, Baal, or cows depending on what your build is best at, but might as well go straight to some early hell areas - this all depends on what build and damage type you use. If you can force your way to act 5 hell run Pindle. If you can force your way to Baal and kill him once, and can farm cows, farm cows. Fast and painless Baal runs might require more gear. Hell Mephisto might be a pain without Teleport because you have to deal with dolls and shit. Along the way you should be able to finally find your Monarch for Spirit, get your Shako and other stuff that gets your closer to what you would consider endgame. Then just look up guides like you said.

If you tell us what kind of build you want to run then it helps too, because sorc or hammerdin you might as well not have gear at all and kill Baal, anything barb that doesn't shout and you are in a world of pain.

>>7908701
What this
>>7908761
>>7908802
anon said.
If you still need handholding, check out Llama's guides

>>7908701
Most of the guides on d2jsp always state budget gear options. I guess you could argue what exactly defines as a budget option but believe me, stuff like Titans or Shako isn't anything special. Until you get to those, it's just a question of knowing general useful stuff (read low level runewords). You can get hilariously OP equipment on level lower than 30 that will serve you well all through nightmare, some even in hell until you find something better. Anons above already mentioned some. Just from the top of my head: rhyme, stealth, smoke, insight, honor, black, strength. Pretty much every character can use these and these things trivialize at least early game. Somewhat higher level but still easy as fuck to acquire and absolutely overpowered are: obedience, oath and treachery. You really shouldn't have any problems to proceed with this equipment at least until hell act 1, where every physical fighter will get filtered by the first zombie and every magical caster by various immunities they didn't skill up but that's what those delicious respecs are for. Exceptions are hammerdins and summonegros but these are builds for mentally challenged so I guess I have to cut them some slack.

>>7908872
>Most of the guides on d2jsp always state budget gear options
Yes, budget for endgame. This is why I despise jsp. They cannot comprehend that players don't instantly start in "vaguely endgame", nor can they comprehend not just buying your whole build.

Jspfags, pvpfags and online players in general have a serious need to play the entire game through to, say, level 95 on singleplayer on a physical based character. To get some perspective. So damn many just simply do not understand a lot of the game.

>>7908872
I will just add that as far as leveling is concerned, you don't really need to camp anywhere. Simply killing stuff along the way and especially bosspacks nets you a lot of XP. I'm pretty sure that at least on 1.13+ the game is balanced to make you just about reach the required character level for next area if you fully clear the previous area.
I remember doing a players 8 run not too long ago. I didn't full clear, just ran to my next objective and killed monsters. I think I ended the game on level 88 or something. It was almost like the game was bugged, every other bosspack visibly moved the XP gauge.
There is a problem of XP penalties for being too overleveled or underleveled but it kinda implies that you could easily get to higher 80s just by clearing the game few times on P1.

>>7908889
In the state the game is currently, normal is a slog, nigthmare is finally moderately entertaining, early hell is when you actually start putting your gear together for real. Budget gear is literally what it means - easy to get items for early to mid hell that fit your build of choice, because as long as you have some experience with the game, anything before hell isn't really that important. Maybe a reminder what level you want to enter hell at if you are playing a build that struggles a bit more, or some mentions of Stealth/Honor/Lore/Spirit-tier runewords, but otherwise I'm not surprised it's generally something people assume you should have already figured out.

>>7908907
>I'm pretty sure that at least on 1.13+ the game is balanced to make you just about reach the required character level for next area if you fully clear the previous area.
90% of the game this works. Act 1 hell though starts at level 67, then very rapidly jumps into high 70s and even 80s. It's why you see so many new people asking why the nightmare-hell jump is so difficult. That and immunities.

They really need to readjust the levels of acts 1-3 in hell to smooth this out.

>>7908889
There often are sane suggestions. Shako-tier equipment. Are you arguing that that is somehow unreasonable?
You can't really make a worthwhile guide by suggesting really subpar equipment choices. They all boil down to using some low level runewords like everyone already mentioned, anyway.

>>7908916
>Budget gear is literally what it means - easy to get items for early to mid hell
Yes and the anon you replied to was asking about prior to level 30 for fucks sake.

>>7908918
>shako tier
see>>7908921

>>7908907
The only exp penalty you really need to remember about is getting to 25 before act 5, or you stop getting experience, you don't really notice penalties much after that point.

>>7908921
Well yeah, new people might not know these things but it's more of a question of lack of some general leveling guide (I'm sure you could find one or two of those somewhere), not a build specific guide. I guess that's what anon above was actually asking about, though, so whatever. I shifted the discussion to where it wasn't supposed to go.

>>7908917
The system also breaks in normal Act 4+5, because you need to get high enough in level or you basically stop getting xp entirely until you stop and go back to farm because of the penalty.

>>7908932
Yeah. The problem is you google 'X guide' and you get given some jsp guide, because naturally they get searched for and clicked the most, with end game gear and suitable, easier to find alternatives.

These people then have nowhere else to look...and sure it's just a problem of understanding that you really don't NEED much of a guide for prior to that, but again, these people literally do not know this and so the confusion.

>>7908921
>prior to level 30
Level 1-25 you basically have nothing but very basic runewords, and no one will recommend you anything else because 1. you don't need anything else 2. nobody can predict if you will get any uniques in the short span of time it takes to get to 25, or predict what kinda rares drop for you (and if they matter). After 25 you get more options, many exceptional base uniques require 25+, but once again good luck getting them early enough for it to matter, and runewords are still fairly limited, anyone interested in those should ask "what can I even equip at levels that low" instead of "what should I wear". Nightmare is still pretty damn easy for most builds. THAT'S why only when you advance to hell and get access to stuff that generally drops around that point you get your gear tiers, so you know that you SHOULD keep your Shako, and that you SHOULD keep your 3-4 sockets Dusk Shrouds, or that you SHOULD pick up that first white Monarch that drops for you, because those items will be actually something you use for longer than few hours.

>>7908949
This. The average person is too stupid to search for "levelling" alongside "guide", or even go beyond the first page of google.

>>7908761
>>7908802
>>7908872
thank you anons. currently playing javazon and just got nm so i will farm normal cows for a while to get nice runes. might join a nightmare chant game or something to take their cows too once im a little higher leveled (currently 43 but my dmg is low)

>>7909451
Normal cows are kinda useless, if you want runes go to normal or nightmare countess. Go full Plague Javelin and you will have little problems going through nightmare and hell, just skip poison immunes. It's also one of the best builds to farm hell cows early on.

>>7893515
Does the 1.15f mod not actually change your version number on the title screen to match? Just checking if its working before I get a run going.

>>7909583
It doesn't. Easiest way to check is literally just walk outside town and see if stamina drops.

>>7909484
I never played amazon for real but isn't lightning fury a much better choice? Like, 20 points in lightning fury is all you need. Rest should go in charged strike and then you can invest in whatever. Plague javelin route, for example.

Hammerdin is boring as fuck. What's an interesting paladin build on normal act 5?

>>7909956
LF is more an endgame build when you can actually support it. PJ is better while you are still leveling.

>>7910483
Holy freeze zealer. Bowadin. Charge pally.

>bored
>decided to give PD2 another try after the disaster of season 1 launch
>setup everything
>old account perma banned because "no CD key lol"
>lose interest
I guess the mod and mod/dev team are still as much of a massive fucking joke as ever.

>Want an Enigma
>Never found a Ber
>Also want an Infinity
I cry.

>>7911862
There's easily accessible CD keys for both the old and new versions. I assume they don't work and you actually need a legit one?

>>7912031
No clue. I have my own legit keys but I'm not gonna entertain those faggots.

Game crashed for both me and my brother after beating act 5 with 1.14d and PlugY. Anyone heard of a similar occurrence?

>>7912697
Probably something to do with the cinematics. That's the only time I hear people complaining about the game crashing with no other mods on.

>>7893515
Speaking of, though. Using charge with a barbarian seems to crash the game, muttmod anon.

Am I playing a zealadin wrong or is it just occasionally using holy shield, keeping fanaticism up, and holding LMB on everything?

>>7912952
That's about it, yeah. You can use charge and vigor to move around faster. You should also pick some other skill to use on physical immunes. Holy shock or freeze, or maybe vengeance. The zeal pally is very simple.

>>7912963
Would you say the amazon or barbarian are more interesting?

>>7912983
I'm very biased toward the amazon, so take what I say with some salt. It's my favourite class. The regular builds are:

>physical bowzon, which uses a single shot tracking arrow, a magic arrow for physical immunes and either strafe which machine guns or multishot which fires a fan of arrows. The build plays similar to the zeal pally, but ranged and with a little more complexity and flair. Weak but my personal fav.
>elemental bowzon, which uses fire and/or ice based arrows. This can be combined to a fire/physical or cold/physical with the above.
>javazon, which uses javelins and the skills charged strike which is similar to the vengeance paladin, high damage single hit, it's perhaps the hardest hitting single target build in the game...as well as the skill lightning fury which throws a small lightning bolt that explodes into dozens more and targets all nearby enemies. Another of the most powerful skills in the game.

These are all supported with a summon, the Valklyrie, which is the best tank in the game. Also the passive skills tab, which gives things like crit chance, attack ratting, piercing shots and dodge abilities.

Now the barb however you'll probably find even more boring than the zeal paladin. They're also significantly harder to start with. The standard builds are:

>Frenzy. Two melee weapons and upon attacking gains movement speed and attack speed. Moves very quickly between enemies bursting down single targets quickly. More fun than the zeal pally mostly because it's much faster.
>whirlwind is the most fun barb skill. Constantly moving, it deals damage in a small aoe around the player as you spin to move.
>shout barb uses the war cry skill to aoe damage enemies by yelling at them. Not amazing with damage, but is fun and has a lot of control and buffs with the different shouts
>concentrate or berserk. Both similar high damage one target attacks. Concentrate buffs defense and berserk sacrifices it for more damage.

Barb also lots of support buffs

>>7912983
Oh and the most 'interesting' classes i.e. the most flashy are the druid, sorc and necromancer.

>>7911818
>bowadin
The fuck

>boss dies
>screen starts shaking so I can't pick up the loot

>>7914325
Want pacifist paladin instead?

>hell act 3 bowazon

>>7914536
It truly is awful. I just skip as much of it as possible.

>>7914325
metafags deserve the bullet

Did they fix Amazon's face yet?

>>7914612
Multiplayer beta launches next month. We'll see what they've changed then.

>>7914536
>hell act 3 javazon
>almost everything is lightning immune and super fast
It's fine, I didn't like being alive anyway

>>7914774
all you can do is shop a staff with teleport charges and skip as much as possible

>>7914774
You can roll a marsh, spider jungle, and flayer jungle with less lightning immune and also roll the spider jungle straight to flayer jungle map.

>>7914615
I eagerly await the shitstorm.

>>7914536
>hell act 3 bowazon
>everything dies in one or two freezing arrows
>everything dies in one or two strafes
Life's good.

>>7914829
post gear

>>7914830
Windforce lol

>>7914860
fuck you

>finished hell with all classes solo hc
>never liked that endgame perfect gear grind or grail
>can't find people to just play the game in multi, it's only people rushing to the endgame grind and getting twink gear from their main
>don't want to speedrun because it's mostly map learning and rng

Am I done ? There's nothing left for me I think. Should I just bite the bullet and do one of those mods ?
Can I find public games in POD with people just doing the story casually ?

>>7914869
Grail. Grail. Grail.

>>7914869
solo hc ironman with every character

>>7914869
Sounds like you need friends to play with anon.

>>7914869
2 months and there will be a million normalfag casuals for you to play with.

I got my very first eth titan's!

Yes
Watch

https://youtu.be/VrBN0XFyMGk

>>7915084
What does that have to do with diablo? and what the fuck is wrong with that retard in the comment section?

>>7911872
>2 Lo
>1 Sur
Is this what the unlimited stash eventually does to people? You'd rather have that garbage rotting forever in Page 6 rather than Enigma in your armor?

>>7914863
No buriza yet? Anything wrong with Harmony?

>>7915193
maybe he's saving them up?

>>7915851
Nothing to save them for if he doesn't already have an Enigma and Infinity (in this order).

>>7914563
>>7914528
No, I'm just wondering how that would work and how you'd build him.

>>7915938
>No, I'm just wondering how that would work and how you'd build him.
It's a shitty build that uses bows or xbows shooting exploding arrowns and one particular gimmick tied to how exploding arrow works. You see, exploding arrow adds all your +fire damage into its explosion (and adds it also the second time to the shot itself). It means that your Holy Fire fire damage gets added to the explosion damage (which is pretty much negligible, I think these bows shoot level 10 or 15 exploding arrow). If you max HF and all its synergies, you get like additional 700 AoE fire damage. Than you can use other equipment and charms with + fire damage to raise this even further. Is it viable? Not beyond normal, maybe you could slowly finish nightmare. No way this works in hell.

By the way, Freezing Arrow, which is much superior skill to Exploding Arrow, should work the same with + cold damage. I wonder if it's possible to base some build around that. Probably not because it's better to just fill your inventory with +BnX skillers and I don't even know if you can get serious +cold damage in your equipment slots.

>>7915938
>wondering how that would work and how you'd build him.
Well that's half the fun of diablo, isn't it? Figuring builds out for yourself. Non meta stuff.

There's different ways I think you could do it. Early on you'd just use whatever the fastest bow you can find is with holy fire/freeze/shock. It'd legitimately have a faster clear speed than an actual bowazon early on. Eventually you'd try and aim for a Widowmaker if you want a skill to use (guided arrow), or just whatever runeword. Brand, maybe. You'd maybe couple the bow with fist of the heavens.

You could also put an exploding arrow build together as I was typing out, then this popped up. >>7916013

It would never be a great build, either of these, but that anon is underselling the potential of it with end game gear. With proper runewords, charms and uniques you could easily clear hell. Just getting to that point would be very expensive or slow.

>>7916026
>Well that's half the fun of diablo, isn't it? Figuring builds out for yourself. Non meta stuff.
So many people just play the game, look up whatever metafaggot build exists, and never bother experimenting even a little bit. It's a sad mentality brought about by hivemind fuckwits equating 'meta' with 'viable'. There's a world of difference.

It's even worse in path of exile.

>>7915851
Maybe he's enjoying his last days of self-imposed misery. Just clinging desperately to that Stealth while Jah and Ber sit there in the rogue encampment

What should i level as for each class to rush through normal/nightmare fastest? for instance hammerdin is great lategame with gear but in normal mode leveling up it's fucking miserable.
all i know from experience so far is:
>amazon
level poison shit until 30 then respec your points into fury and charged strike. or level as bow.
>assassin
level flame traps respec into lightning and corpse traps?
>necro
no idea here. summonmancer is strong but slow-ish so i dunno if bonemancer is better or not?
>barb
literally no idea?
>paladin
zeal as far as i know?
>sorc
can level as pretty much any path as far as i know?
>druid
level as fire then respec to wind when 30

i'm a noob so tell me how much of this shit is wrong please and correct it

>>7915308
harmony is still really bad damage in act 3 hell

>>7916691
Just go look at the speedruns for each class.

>>7916691
>assassin
if you like melee, you don't need traps until hell. in hell, viable kicksins are expensive
>barb
weapon mastery early, next WW and anti-PI berserk; otherwise the dual wield shit. simple class
>sorc
single element works fine through act4 nm. afterward, pick a synergy-heavy skill from one tree and a standalone skill from another(s)

fuck you

>>7917802
It's possible for an ilvl85 to get +40 Life? I thought only Nihlathak and Baal GCs do that

>>7917808
The max on Baal/Diablo/Nih ones is 45.

>>7917848
Oh all right.

who else here /no drops/

>>7918119
I've got plenty of drops, but I'm not allowed to post them.

>>7918119
Been wanting a Mavina armor and Immortal King armor, no luck for two weeks now.

>>7918528
That's just how RNG works.
Gear you're actually looking for never drops.

>>7918119
Checking...
Verified.

what are ur favourite farming places?

>>7921038
pindle and hell meph, my best drops came from those two. never had any luck in the lvl 85 areas.

>>7921038
Pindle, Baal and Worldstone.

>>7921038
Countess, I like going down the tower with the promise of some runes at the end, even if archers are deadly and annoying. Travincal might have similar rewards, but Countess is something worth farming even in normal and nightmare while you are leveling, which is nice. Just very well constructed location in my opinion.

>>7921176
agreed, it's also possible to almost clear with lighting only, aside from the archers like you said. I think ghosts has a good rune drop table too iirc.

I'm honestly stunned because I started my first actual attempt at holy grail just now, bored of mods, going online and all that stuff, just got to nightmare act1 and the game is showering me with uniques, including Vipermagi and Frostburn one after another, gear I usually either never get or get way too late to be relevant.

>>7921537
based grail bro

>>7921537
So cute~
Keep at it, bro!

>>7921038
River and CS.

>>7922350
Used to be my favourite....then I played the muttmod.

>>7922403
Is it that bad? and what does it ad?

>>7920184
Well, I don't really farm "intensively" just around an hour or so and I alternate Pindle and Eldritch and I don't know if ETR drops both so maybe I need to change my pattern.

>>7923292
see>>7907040

>>7907040
>single target attack only
>absolutely no crowd control
>no life leach, no mana leach
>TP through rightclick in inventory
I don't know what the shitty mod changed about skills but I sure you have access to HOOOOOAAAAAAWL and warcry.

>>7924787
>single target attack only
That is the build, yes. I'm not respeccing just for one area.

>absolutely no crowd control
>absolutely
How did you miss both Holy Freeze and the 100% frost nova on strike?

>no life leach, no mana leach
Had both over 15%. The succubus attack leaves a debuff on you that drains health, mana and stamina for like 30 seconds straight. Even a potion active barely restores you.

>TP through rightclick in inventory
Old habit I can't kick. I never remember even after hotkeying it. 20 years of muscle memory too stronk.

>>7924838
>not respeccing for single area
Well if you play shitty build not suitable for certain areas, you shouldn't complain about game being hard in those areas.
>Holy Freeze and Frost Nova
That's pretty shitty crowd control even in unmodded game. On the other hand you play the character with access to the best crowd control in the game. Howl/Taunt and/or Warcry should solve all your problems. The gameplay in the video was not too different from being swarmed by 20 deathlords, fourth and fifth Baal wave or Infector of Souls' squad.
Single Taunt on the summoner should stop him from doing whatever he was doing, which was apparently summoning monsters, and just run towards you to get killed. Warcry or Howl would give you the necessary time to kill him.

>>7924903
Yeah well it was only nightmare and I didn't think I'd need the shouts or taunt yet. Nowhere else in the game was even remotey like this beforehand.

I did use them when clearing Hell chaos.

>>7924903
>shitty build
>frenzy
Debatably the best melee build in the game.

>shitty crowd control even in unmodded game
>holy freeze
It's one of the best crowd control skills in the game. It requires zero effort to use and turns most enemies into non factors.

I get you're doing this "downplay everything possible so I can look smart" contrarian asshole bit against that anon, but get fucked. You're flat out wrong.

>>7925271
Bro, who is trying to be contrarian asshole here. Did you actually WATCH the video? HF surely help him controlling the crowd there a lot, along with the ctc FN.

Also I've said shitty build not suitable for certain areas but you posted your own photo on 4chan so you probably aren't the sharpest tool in the shed and can't read very well. I forgive you.

>>7925813
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? Or is English not your first language?

>>7926085
Yes, English is my third language so have at me, I have some free time to discuss semantics with you. I actually called you out on this first so I guess I can't really call you a fagot, yet.

>>7926173
Only first languages are allowed on vr m8 sorry

>>7926178
I was hoping there was something hidden behind that retarded response but I guess there actually wasn't. Oh well.

>>7926201
Ignore that idiot

>>7926173
>semantics
lmao

You said frenzy was a "shitty build". I told you that it was not.

You also said holy freeze was "pretty shitty crowd control" and I told you that it was not.

Both of these are correct and are widely accepted by everyone. They are objectively very good.

You then said "HF surely help him controlling the crowd there a lot" - completely contradicting what you said earlier.

Also said "Also I've said shitty build not suitable for certain areas" - which somehow both agrees with and doesn't not agree with what both you and I said.

You are:
>a colossal retard
>an argumentative asshole purposefully ignoring logic for the fun of it
>victim of your own poor language comprehension
Which is it?

>>7926236
I don't know why I should give a fuck about what you told me, you are not my boss nor my mom.

Frenzy barbarian is a pretty shitty build in general until you can get proper equipment needed to make it work. Only properly equipped it's absolutely amazing at killing single or small number of targets, okay at best for general use but still a league bellow zealer or even a ww barb and is indeed pretty shit when you have to deal with a massive numbers rushing at you from all directions. Which was the original point I was trying to make there until you decided to shift the point of the discussion to frenzy barbarians in general, for whatever reason.

Holy Freeze is pretty shitty crowd control skill because the only thing it does by itself is slowing the enemies and even then, depending on it's target, the slow can get pretty marginal so you need to combine it with other sources of slow (like the dude was doing with his ctc FN and it STILL didn't help him at all). It doesn't turn shit to non factor at all because slow shit will still run at you and try to murder you. Very much unlike actual god tier crowd control tools like barbarian shouts, necro's dim vision or attract and assassin's cloak of shadows, which straight up incapacitate everything on screen, making shit effectively dead. Step below that are things that draw aggro and attack at the same time, like pretty much all good summons, or at least draw aggro like zon's decoy. Then come sorc's AoE big dick damage spells that also slow.

You call me an ESL but you can't recognize basic eye gouging sarcasm. I will spell it out for you. Holy freeze even combined with FN didn't help him control the crowd at all. That was me being a sarcastic faggot in response to your own faggotry.

You are:
>a colossal retard
>an argumentative asshole purposefully ignoring logic for the fun of it
>victim of your own poor language comprehension
Which is it?

>>7926330
>Which was the original point I was trying to make
Then you should have made that point instead of a vague generalisation, dumb esl shitter.

>>7926337
>>7926330
Could you two please shut the fuck up? Would never have posted the video if I knew you two would have such an autistic sperg fight over something so inconsequential.

>>7926337
>Then you should have made that point instead of a vague generalisation, dumb esl shitter.
You have that reversed, bro. Also English doesn't seem to be your primary language either. You probably shouldn't call people dumb ESL shitters when your own language skills are lacking. It makes you seem extra dumb. At least proofread all your posts before you hit the post button.

>>7926356
Besides the ESL shit we are actually discussing the game, which is what this thread is here for. I am still hoping for some worthwhile reply actually related to the game, after he stops this dumb ESL shit.

>>7926407
>You have that reversed, bro.
Fucking how? You say "X build is shit", I call that out for generalizing, you quickly rush to say "Y was the point I was trying to make". That's generalizing, I said you should have been specific, as that would have prevented the entire conversation...

..and now you tell me it's the opposite? What are you smoking? Is this just blatant trolling?

>>7926414
I just point to my first fucking post in the reply chain and your reply thereto. That's all, I am shutting the fuck up about this, the other anon is right.

If you want, you can provide reasons to your claim that frenzy barbarian is arguably the best melee build in the game. I wonder what you even mean by being "the best" in the first place and how you compare him to zealers or ww barbs.

>>7926476
>frenzy is shit
>gets called out
>AKHUALLY I just meant this particular build, what can you not read minds?