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will japanese players ever share the secret with us?

If you equip the Bremen Mask and start marching while fighting the Ikana King's henchmen, they'll start marching.
If you wear the Captain's Hat and run up to the Ikana King in this phase, he'll briefly mistake you for Captain Keeta.

>>7888615
eat shitto gaijin

Hero of time in wind waker

>>7888631
Holy shit. It was Link all along? And here I thought it was just some random brown kid.

>>7888639
I just thought it was neat to see the statue colored in. might be repurposed from the aging concept wind waker had.

>>7888603
>>7888615
>4 replies at the time I saw this
>4 posters

Quit making these bad threads to peddle your even shittier OC. This is not true and is something that someone from GameFAQs made up and you stole.

>>7888615
wtf, this is like that secret in Mega Man 9 that supposedly was never discovered. I hate stuff like this.

>>7888930
I like how they just straight up copied Wart's sprite over into the LA. It looks exactly the same.

Also, I feel sorry for anyone who played Sunshine and didn't notice right away that that was the running man. It's not that hard to see behind his mask.

It is River Phoenix aint it?

>>7889302
I always thought it was Leo but the nose changes everything. The upturn of that nose is river.

>>7889302
It's obviously Tom Cruise. River Phoenix had been dead for years by the time OoT was designed.

>dev re-uses basic texture twice due to necessity / lazyness
>OMG epic lore so deep!!!

Why are Nintendo fanboys like this?!

>>7890279
Tunic with nothing under it looks so comfy.

>>7890307
Back in the day, video games were mystical and people would spread all sorts of theories, fake cheats, and stories around the playground about the littlest things, whether there was any basis or not. If something had any anchor in reality at all, such as L is Real, it made everyone's imaginations run wild.

The modern internet and datamining have completely killed this off, but it was true at a point. You probably weren't born at the time, so you simply would not understand.

>>7888930

>>7890304
>>7889302
But let us also consider how popular Stand By Me is in japan.

>>7889302
Link was modeled mainly after Leonardo DeCaprio, you're thinking of Squall from FFVIII who the devs explicitly stated was modeled after River Phoenix.

Interestingly though, Ganondorf was originally modeled after pic-related according to devs.

>rents a copy of OOT where someone already got to Ganondorf and saw red blood
>goes to cousin's house where he got to Ganondorf a couple days after seeing the red blood and noticing he was spitting out green blood
>me and his friend, who had the red blood version of the game, were incredibly confused
This was my introduction to game revisions back in 2000ish.

>>7888603
I also can't help but feel like the concept of Navi was at-least partially influenced by pic-related.

>>7890394
Your cartridge was haunted by realistic blood.

>>7890395
Considering how heavily OoT leans into Link's Peter Pan origins it's more likely she was based on Tinkerbell

>>7889302
He always seemed like a mixture of DiCaprio and Gourry from Slayers to me.

>>7889302
young link's model always reminded me of this guy

>>7889302
I could absolutely see them basing his appearance off River. Wasn't there a Stand By Me reference in Pokémon as well?

>>7890654
>Wasn't there a Stand By Me reference in Pokémon as well?
Yeah, your mom is perpetually watching it back home in Palette Town

>>7890389
Nah, Leonardo DiCaprio wasn't really notable until Romeo+Juliet which dropped in October 1996.
Pic related is from Spaceworld 1996 which also was held in October 1996.
As much as I believe it is based on River Phoenix, the interview from Arts & Artifact reminiscent about the actor as if he is still alive, leading me to believe it is Tom Cruise.

>>7890343
Agreed, as I got older the more and more I was like "man adult link looks kinda uncomfortable being completely covered"

Bump

>>7892283
>ice cavern with no underwear
No thanks.

>>7892287
Is this just a general Zelda lore thread now?

>>7892287
Isn't the gilded sword the kokiri sword, though?

>>7892287
>gilded sword is the bizzaro world master sword
huh

>>7890389
>Interestingly though, Ganondorf was originally modeled after pic-related according to devs.
The resemblance is unmistakable once you see a comparison of the two.

>>7892287
holy crap

>>7892430
This. The Kokiri Sword was probably created after Ghirahim was long dead and centuries probably passed between its creation and when Link had it reforged into the Gilded Sword. That said, who knows? We can only speculate on any of this but speculate we must lest we die of boredom while waiting for the next game. Time fuckery is a thing in these games so maybe Ghirahim is the Kokiri Sword. Technically both the Goddess Sword and the Master Sword exist due to time fucker so maybe the Kokiri Sword is the Goddess Sword. Maybe the Goddess Sword becomes Ghirahim. Heck, let's go deeper. Maybe Dark Link is actually a Hero from millennia after Breath of the Wild who got some Malice on him. Maybe he was traveling through time looking for a cure and found himself in the Water Temple where he succumbed to the Malice. Maybe Demise/Ganon is some kind of late stage Dark Link. Maybe Ghirahim is Maliced up Fi and his sword form is a Malicey Master Sword. Time travel's a helluva drug.

>>7892430
Its arguable that the gilded sword is pretty much the 3D games' redesign of the golden sword (AKA master sword lvl 3) from alttp. It had to be the kokiri sword in mm because it wouldn't make sense for him to have the master sword in that game. But I think if the master sword becomes upgradable again, or even a whole other sword, there's a chance they'll use the gilded sword design for it, or be very reminiscent of it.

>>7892973
>>7893098
Why would the dwarves forge the Triforce upside down on the Golden Sword? Simple error or agents of Ganon trying to sabotage the sword? Damn, I was just pulling a theory out of my ass but maybe there's something to Demise's sword being an alternate timeline Master Sword. Look at this thing. It's basically a twisted, evil mirrorverse Master or Golden Sword. I guess a simpler explanation would be that the Master Sword was intentionally designed to look like the counter to Demise's sword, not the other way around, or even that the devs just don't think about the lore this much but we've got to discuss something while we wait for the next game.

>>7893197
Wait, I'm retarded. It's the Great Fairy that give you the Golden Sword, NOT the dwarves. That just raises even MORE questions.

>>7892283
>ice cavern with no underwear
In WW, all I could think about is how uncomfortable Link looked after changing into the tunic. Imagine running around the tropics in tights.

>>7892283
I dunno, white tights seem like they'd feel good down there.

>>7888672
i enjoy these threads, let him do it, it sure beats the "posts box art of popular game and call it shit" threads /vr/ is 95% comprised of by cyber vermin and troll terrorists these days

>>7894030
why is he so cute
>>7888603
MM3D was originally going to have Ganondorf and Sheik and Impa somehow related to the newly added fishing ponds, either as the shop owners or as NPCs hanging about the map. What this entails as far as their Terminian counterparts is interesting and I would've liked to see it explored on one hand, but it would've been weird on the other.

>>7888603
If Ocarina of Time detects a pirated copy it makes Zelda's hair look like this

OoT's beta had a lot of ideas that never got used, like resting at inns instead of using the Sun's Song, more magic spells and the goddesses/religion being more prominent than the final

Zelda and sheik actually have identical eye shapes. I think that's a neat detail

The Lens of Truth won't consume magic if you activate it just after playing the song of storms.

>>7895389
Ocarina of Time is honestly the single most ambitious game ever considering the time it was developed in and the hardware it was targeted for.

>>7895469
The Lens of Truth won't consume magic if you mash the C-Button you put it on

What’s the deal with the moon? Is it the real moon? Did it have a face prior?

>>7895610
According to the lore book after Hyrule Historia that's still disputed in canon, Termina doesn't exist. Termina was projected over the Lost Woods by Majora's Mask and everything that happened happened in the minds of Skull Kid, Link, and the Happy Mask Salesman. Majora's Mask shaped Termina out of Skull Kid's, Link's, and the Mask Salesman's memories.

>>7895610

>>7895624
>the moon is reversed
What

>>7895624
As bullshit as this image is overall, Hyrule Historia confirmed that the Hero's Shade in TP is OoT/MM Link's restless spirit because he got to be a hero twice over, is arguably the most important Link in Zelda lore, and got zero recognition for it because of timeline shenanigans.

>>7895624
These kind of images are my favorite. Almost full on schizo posting.

>>7895624
whoever made this is either a bait master or has severe mental illness.

I’m actually browsing this thread with images turned off. Majora still gives me nightmares. It ruined my life and I never beat it but it’s a great game.

>>7895606
Not really, quite a few games attempted to be more ambitious objectively speaking. But it's probably one of few games where almost all the original ambition totally paid off.

>>7895965
lol what was more ambitious than OoT in 1998? is 3am EST peak retard time or what?

>>7895687
It doesnt confirm it. All it says is the devs had OoT Link in mind when making heroes shade so that people would speculate if it was him.

>>7895971
Virtual Hydlide.

>>7895971
In the action/adventure genre, pretty much nothing whatsoever. You could argue that many PC RPGs were more ambitious at that time, though they still didn't fully realize that ambition or manage to bring it out into a full package.

>>7894697
>these characters would have been related to the fishing pond
Normally I wouldn't think twice of basing a theory of a model's intended purpose on its filename, but TCRF are reading too much into this. I can see Impa perhaps being reused in MM's deleted fishing game, but the fact that Sheik and Ganon also have this same filename makes me think it's more likely that someone was just using fishing_man as test skeleton and at no point were the Prince of Darkness and Adult Zelda's alter ego ever seriously considered for inclusion in MM.


>>7894923

>>7896137
Quoted >>7894923 by accident, but... is that a face I see?

>>7895687
>and got zero recognition for it
Hate this idea so much. "Abloobloobloo I need validation because saving the world isn't its own reward"

>>7895687
He was still looking for navi & once he found out she was your wii remote cursor he could finally rest. for this reason, wii version is the only canon one.

>>7895606
its ambitions will never be fully realized

>>7896506
That was something Historia added in but in the game all he cares about is passing down his sword skills to the next in line

>>7895624

>>7897568
That's actually pretty cute. Is there any way to manipulate the camera without hacks to see the back of her wheelchair?

>>7897568
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that her Japanese name is something like Toraba-san (tora = tiger + oba-san = older woman).

>>7896591
KEK

>>7895783
How does Majora give you nightmares? I can understand the intro with the deku scrubs (seeing as that was literally created from a nightmare Aonuma had while working on OOT) and maybe some of the stuff in Ikana and I guess funny BEN but still, I used to play into the "guys majora is so dahk" thing but after replaying it 3 times recently I feel I can say it's actually probably waaay more lighthearted than OOT once you get past the deku scrub and alien abduction stuff seeing as Jabu Jabu and the Shadow Temple/Bottom of the Well exist.

>>7897774
oh fuck

>>7898014
OoT had some of the best female character design ever.

>>7898036
>after replaying it 3 times recently I feel I can say it's actually probably waaay more lighthearted than OOT once you get past the deku scrub and alien abduction stuff seeing as Jabu Jabu and the Shadow Temple/Bottom of the Well exist.
I mean, if you just bypass all the scenes of desperation, hopeless resignation, and despondency that occur in people's lives on the night of the final day, sure (or if you do hang around to see those things but are heartless and feel nothing), sure, maybe. Though I have no idea how the Jabu Jabu portion of OoT can be considered dark in any way.

>>7890365
Even as a kid you could tell Wil Wheaton would grow up to be a limpwristed whiny faggot.

>>7898036
The moon and the music. I feel like it’s a very tribal African looking game. It’s cursed.

>>7893703
Every time someone a makes shit up it discourages someone who really wants to contribute, I.e. me, from it. Something something any community that gets its kicks by pretending to be idiots you know how it goes.

>>7898074
Well yeah the npc dialogue and their situation is depressing but I wouldn't say nightmare inducing. To me as a kid (and still) inside-body shit (womb/vore shit especially) scared the shit out of me and just plain grosses me out so I always hated Jabu Jabu because it's just a plain disgusting level. The flesh walls, the throat valve doors, the uvula switches, the ambient "music," tapeworm miniboss things, and the breathing sounds from the jellyfish things I forget, it's so fucking gross.
And as far as the shadow temple and the well you have disembodied hands of bodies melted into the floor, torture equipment everywhere, and the king of "why in God's name is this game rated E," Dead Hand, who I'm astounded wasn't included in Majora's Mask despite its tone.
I guess what I'm saying is environments and setpieces have more of an effect on scaring me than dialogue and implications. Although the alien shit is damn terrifying in Romani Ranch.

>>7893197
Fierce Diety is actually Onigami meaning Demon God. This Ghirahim revelation means demise is the Demon King, and true to form with how twisted Majora's Mask is, you put on the mask of Satan and kill God. At least that's how the Skull Kid sees it.

>>7898315
>Fierce Diety is actually Onigami meaning Demon God
That's what the raw 鬼 & 神 kanji mean, but 鬼神 together is a compound word/jukugo pronounced 'kishin', which means "Fierce god" and usually denotes a protective or patron deity; eg. the four Buddhist heavenly kings that each protect a cardinal direction.

Majora sees you as the bad guy in the game of cops and robbers you 'play' at the end of the game (ie. the demon or Oni in Onigokko, which is basically their version of 'tag') but the Fierce Deity/Kishin Mask has kinda the nuance that, while its existence isn't necessarily good, it's something that ultimately protects from Majora.

>>7898267
>inside-body shit scared the shit out of me
You hate your mother.

>>7898457
i hate sigmund freud; that's for sure

>>7898489
His Apple II game was a comfy way to kill time back in the day.
And evidently so obscure that I can't even find a video or picture of it anywhere.

>>7897848
https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Granny
クスリ屋のババ (Kusuri-ya no Baba)
That would have made sense though.

>>7895687
What I wanna know is, who fucked Malon in the timeline where Link was slain by Ganondorf?

>>7899398
me

>>7898457
You leave my mother out of this, you rat bastard!

>>7899398
>No ranch in ALttP or ALBW
>No ranches in Holodrum or Labryna
>No ranch in Zelda 1 or 2
I guess it's safe to say that nobody fucked her

>>7888930
>there are zelda doors in the game that came out before OOT
zoomers get the rope

>>7899754
>The downfall timeline is one where Link AND Malon died as virgins.
Ganondorf truly is a sick evil bastard and must be stopped at all costs.

>>7899754
>No ranches in Holodrum
Hyrule Historia implies that there is a Lon Lon Ranch operated by the Malon and Talon there, but we just don't see it.

>>7899398
>>7899806
If the downfall time had a poor outlook for Malon's fuckhood, the adult timeline has even worse implications for any potential progeny.

>>7899754
Link's House is the ranch in ALTTP. compare the OOT to ALTTP and triangulate lon lon from the desert and lake hylia. you'll find it at the base of the walls of the castle with death mountain behind it in both games.

>>7899878
also before you confuse yourself, the lost woods moves every game so don't bother tracking it. wind waker expounded on that with the saplings quest.

>>7899398
>>7899878
...Wait a fucking minute here.
It's confirmed that the Hero of Twilight is a descendant of the Hero of Time. We also have several clues that OoT Malon is the most likely candidate, so for argument's sake, we'll say that's true too. Now, ALttP, TWW, & TP roughly occur at the same time, just in three different timelines, and the Hero of Time only got with OoT Malon in one of them. HOWEVER. Suppose Link's House in ALttP is the equivalent to OoT Lon Lon Ranch. OK. Let's ALSO add the fact that, according to Eiji Aonuma is Zelda Box, the Hero of Winds' sister Aryll was based on Marin and Malon...
HYPOTHESIS: LINK FROM ALTTP, TWW, & TP ARE ALL DESCENDED FROM OOT MALON UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

>>7899968
>HYPOTHESIS: LINK FROM ALTTP, TWW, & TP ARE ALL DESCENDED FROM OOT MALON UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
Link died before fucking her in the Link to the Past timeline though. Wind Waker shows that the Links don't need to be descended from blood to be a hero, and Skyward Sword shows that Link will always exist and be reincarnated.

>>7899973
>Link died before fucking her in the Link to the Past timeline though.
My point exactly. I'm saying that these Links have someone else in common.

You know, I feel like BotW’s explanation of Ganon being this evil demon that reincarnates throughout the ages makes him a lot more interesting.

>>7899986
Did you not play Skyward Sword?

>>7899989
That’s the only 3D Zelda I haven’t played, and to be fair, I’m not sure if I want to.

>>7899968
>>7899981
>ALttP Link is descended from the Knights of Hyrule
>and OoT Malon dreams of a KNIGHT in shining armor sweep her off her feet.
>TWW Link has no blood ties to OoT Link
>but his sister has MALON as a design inspiration.
WHO DID MALON FUCK IN THE OTHER TWO TIMELINES!?

>>7899992
I'll paraphrase the lore for you, but basically, Zelda makes a wish on the Triforce that her and Link will be together forever, and the Gods kind of monkey paw her by having her and Link constantly reincarnate for the rest of time. Demise, a being of pure evil, knows what's happening and he binds himself to Link forever, so as long as Link exists, he will exist as well. In Ocarina of Time, Demise is reincarnated as Ganondorf, and Ganondorf is granted immortality from the Triforce of Power. BotW incredibly lightly touches on this subject. If you like the idea of Ganondorf that BotW presents, you really should get around to playing SS. It's a very linear Zelda game, but they make up for it by going heavy on the lore

>>7900000 (Checked)
Cool, I didn't know that. Not the same anon but I really don't wanna wagglan, and I also don't want to reward Nintendo for their laziness with the port. Maybe if it goes on sale, only for Groose.

Hyrule is permanently in a pre-industrial stasis. If link wasn't related to ranchers and farmers in most games, who the hell could he be related to?

>>7899995
That former(?) knight who collects Poes and infamously saw Link as a rival for his looks comes to mind as a potential candidate, oddly enough.

>>7888603
Videogames aren't kino you idiot. They're ludo.

>>7899986
I think that's a lot LESS interesting because it kills story speculation with the ability to handwave things as "oh he just reincarnated so appears here unconnected to anything", but to each his own.

>>7900005
>but I really don't wanna wagglan
Hating the waggling is the smallest brain take ever. The only complaints about SS should be the tadpole collecting.

>>7900000
>I'll paraphrase the lore for you, but basically, Zelda makes a wish on the Triforce that her and Link will be together forever, and the Gods kind of monkey paw her by having her and Link constantly reincarnate for the rest of time.
It's implied, but it doesn't exactly happen that way. If you count Hyrule Historia's prequel manga, Hylia already made sure of that as a goddess with an earlier Link (the one alluded to as her "chosen hero" from ancient times in several lines of dialog). The rest is basicaly true though, though there's some debate if Demise's reincarnation of hatred is strictly Ganondorf or came dispersed in the form of other beings like Vaati and Majora. I don't believe that part was ever clarified.

>>7900041
>though there's some debate if Demise's reincarnation of hatred is strictly Ganondorf or came dispersed in the form of other beings like Vaati and Majora. I don't believe that part was ever clarified.
Girahim immediately recognizes Ganondorf as his master in Hyrule Warriors, and he's been the central evil figure ever since he was introduced in OoT. Assuming Demise isn't Ganondorf is one of the biggest stretches you could make in regards to Zelda lore.

>>7900049
>Girahim immediately recognizes Ganondorf as his master in Hyrule Warriors, and he's been the central evil figure ever since he was introduced in OoT.
Fair point.
>Assuming Demise isn't Ganondorf is one of the biggest stretches you could make in regards to Zelda lore.
The phrase he uses is "an incarnation of my hatred", though, which is somewhat vaguer.

Is there a connection between Vaati and the Sheikah?

>>7899968
I think the point is that Link is destined to be just some ranch boy. The fact that Malon is ever present is probably just because she's representative as a potential love interest. She's a ranch girl.

It could be more complicated with relationships decided upon but not revealed to the player, but I haven't noticed anything to prove this so I doubt it.

Some unrelated lore: Faron woods is actually on the Zelda 2 map, south of the second continent. But in Zelda 2, it's completely underwater. I find it amusing because Skyward Sword has a portion of the game where Faron woods is submerged underwater.

Here's the Zelda 2 map. Notice that if you stick the continents together, it will make a nice lake in the center. Compare it with the breath of the wild map and you'll find that is where Hyrule castle is. In fact, look at ruto town and the north castle on the Zelda 2 map, and you'll notice it matches up perfectly with Hebron region of BOTW in the same location. Even the roads match up. Death mountain also sharing a location with Darunia town.

>>7900172
here's botw. Notice RITO village and watch the road that comes out of tabatha tundra. It's identical to Zelda 2.

Also here's hyrule castle that I mentioned. In zelda 2 you see there's a MASSIVE graveyard near it.

>>7900178
>MASSIVE graveyard near it.
in fact I just noticed in breath of the wild the water next to where the graves would be in zelda 2 is called "the river of the dead"

>>7900172
also looks like botw kakariko village is just another graveyard in zelda 2.

these guys can't catch a break.

>>7900172
one more post since I'm still figuring this out myself.

the only way i can explain the missing hyrule castle in the zelda 2 map is skyloft. it must have taken to the skies and that's why the continent is divided in half and there's a hole in the middle. also faron woods is underwater.

also skyward sword itself only takes place on the second continent. lanaryu, faron, and the eldin region.

>>7900172
i deleted my post because I thought I was wrong, but I'm right. The temple of time in botw lines up perfectly beside the faron region, and the area above it would have been skyloft. That's lake hylia and hyrule field, which are absent in skyward sword.

the missing center strip in the Zelda 2 map is skyloft. It is in the air, and Faron woods is submerged.

>>7900217
But..all we know from BotW's placement is that it takes place at the end of a timeline, so...

>>7900273
so what? not only have thousands of years passed, but kakariko's slaughter happens in a different timeline.


it's probably a little difficult for you to understand, but to put it simply for you: in zelda 2, that grave site on the second continent is actually kakariko village if it were slaughtered.

>>7900292
>so what? not only have thousands of years passed, but kakariko's slaughter happens in a different timeline.
You know the timeline now?
>it's probably a little difficult for you to understand, but to put it simply for you:
timeline convergence theory is real and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>7900316
are you retarded?

>>7900292
>kakariko's slaughter happens in a different timeline.
Hate to put an acktually on you, but given Princess Ruto became a Sage in recorded history, that rules out child timeline and most likely also puts BotW in the downfall timeline, due to the logistics involved with putting it in the adult timeline.
>>7900316
>it's probably a little difficult for you to understand, but to put it simply for you: timeline convergence theory is real and there's nothing you can do about it.
I'm also fulling expecting this to be confirmed in the Breath of the Wild sequel, followed by the autistic screeches of hundreds of impotent adult-children.

>>7900331
im just tracking references using the zelda 2 map which lines up perfectly with botw.

seriously go open the two maps and flip back and forth between them. they're identical. except in zelda 2 everything is wrecked in a different way, and pieces of the map are missing just like in skyward sword.

also you don't need to wait for confirmation that the timeline is merged. the plot of hyrule warriors is literally about some magic woman merging timelines (i dont know who exactly, i dont play games like that), and it's obvious time got merged anyway just from playing botw due to the fact that you can find referenes from wind waker down to twighlight princess. it doesn't make sense unless they gave up the split timeline.

>>7900363
Yeah but Death Mountain in Zelda 2 is canonically in the southwest corner.

>>7900363
>the plot of hyrule warriors is literally about some magic woman merging timelines (i dont know who exactly, i dont play games like that)
More like opening portals to the past or something, which indicated child timeline in the base game before DLC and updates started pulling stuff from the adult and downfall timelines.
Anyways, don't sweat it too much. Your observations are interesting, but I'm not sure how much Nintendo themselves analyze the storyline. Four Swords Adventures was supposed to be a direct sequel to original Four Swords due to the intro referencing the previous events and even namedropping the same Link and Zelda from that game (which never happens unless it's a direct sequel), yet Nintendo decided to make them pretty far apart for no good reason.

>>7888615
i know the secret
running man is a friggin cheater and has wallhax
PROOFS: i cheated and i STILL lost

>>7900172
>The fact that Malon is ever present is probably just because she's representative as a potential love interest
no its because i was mashing A after grabbing a bunch of chickens and i accidentally told her dad id marry her
couldve been worse i guess

I’ve always imagined Ganondorf sounding like Christopher Lee.

>>7900381
that is definitely weird and I can't explain it. either they moved the volcano to eldin in later games, or ocarina of time actually takes place in greater hyrule and not lesser hyrule (like alttp and zelda 1) like I thought.

>>7900424
also pic related is what the internet thinks is spectacle rock in oot... but that must be wrong, since spectacle rock would be in lesser hyrule with the gerudo.

>>7900425
>>7900424
see now I'm confused, because it's definitely called DEATH MOUNTAIN in ocarina of time... but there's a volcano. they definitely just moved the volcano around based on the game. it's the only explanation. nintendo doesn't care too rigidly about the map.

>>7900382
>I'm not sure how much Nintendo themselves analyze the storyline.
judging from what I learned itt, not very much. they just set, expand, and draw from it.

>>7900441
id think they know better than to try to explain it
for one: gud luck
two: clear explanation either way is bound to piss off some of their more autistic fanbase
three: they know the more vague it is, the more autists will obsess over it and talk about it

not that i hate this timeline tism or anything
jus sayin

>>7900453
it's funny because they moved the volcano AGAIN for majora's mask. of course that game is a fever dream, but it's not in death mountain (which is frozen), but in the spot the deku tree should have been.

bro I think it's just Ocarina of Time and they wanted a volcano for their 3D game so they got a volcano.

>>7900461
>bro I think it's just Ocarina of Time and they wanted a volcano for their 3D game so they got a volcano
far more likely than them having a well thought out plan set in place since 1987

>>7900461
also
>fever dream
my favorite zeldas are the fever dream ones
LA and MM ftw

All this talk about Death Mountain's location makes me want to post these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVOOrhWihsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiMAP5MNTIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJrgGgC9VXE

It kinda looks like the volcano and Death Mountain would be different locations? Like the Volcano would have just housed the Fire Temple, and Death Mountain even had the twisty maze caverns from Zelda 2.

>>7900507
so my theory is correct. nintendo wanted the volcano from the eastern continent. in the game.

kind of makes sense. it would be visible on the horizon. imagine seeing a volcano in OoT for the first time and just not ever going to it.

stop everything, boys. I found titties in link's awakening. this is big.

>>7900429
>>7900424
It bothers me that spectacle rock in botw is in the fucking southeast corner of the map, rather than in death mountain

>>7900603
South weat, and that's where it has always gone.

Lesser hyrule is the southern most tip of west hyrule. Look at the map. It's labeled.

>>7900172
The map
>>7900603

>>7900178
I wish we could have seen locations new to botw in non-botw zelda games.

I think the entire Gerudo Highlands would be a wonderful region in a game that wasn't so sparse of content.
A lot of mesas and canyons that are high enough to experience year round winter, and that box in the entire northwest corner of the Gerudo Desert—which itself spans far south of Hyrule proper, and seems to even be apart of the continent's coastline.

Obviously, Gerudo Canyon in Oot is the Gerudo Highlands, and that the canyon stable is where Gerudo Forest is situated in Ocarina of Time, but I think it would still be cool to explore the region further.

Which reminds me again of how much I hate Botw for sucking a lot of the magic out of the Zelda franchise. In Ocarina of Time, you had the Haunted Wasteland connecting the Gerudo Fortress to the Spirit Temple. It was covered in sandstorms and rivers of quicksand, and required a ghost to guide you across to the Spirit Temple. But in BoTW, that same expanse is just a twenty minute walk through a desert in real time, and what was the Spirit Temple is just a Gerudo settlement. There's no magic, whimsy, surrealism or the like in botw whatsoever. As a fantasy setting, it's utterly dry and flavorless.

>>7900618
>where it has always gone.
Not entirely, in oot, it's in death mountain's caldera and in wind waker it's a few sectors east of Dragonroost (which would be Death Mountain)

>>7898829
So just "Old Woman of the Medicine Shop"? Kind of disappointing that they gave her a personality trait like liking cats/tigers but didn't bother to give her a proper name in MM.
>>7899968
>We also have several clues that OoT Malon is the most likely candidate, so for argument's sake, we'll say that's true too.
As much as I want this to be true, in past /vr/ threads Rutofags have made compelling arguments for why it was Ruto, and not Malon that Link ended up with.
>according to Eiji Aonuma is Zelda Box
wut
>the Hero of Winds' sister Aryll was based on Marin
I remember one of the devs saying they were inspired by Marin when they made her. Malon is based on Marin, but it doesn't follow that they based her on Malon too.
>>7900014
>Malon's life takes a dark turn as she marries the creepy ghost obsessed guy
>Malon becomes a witch
>There's a whole lineage of Hylian farmer-witches we know nothing about

>>7900000
>the Gods kind of monkey paw her by having her and Link constantly reincarnate for the rest of time.
Doesn't that get contradicted by Wind Waker when The King of Red Lions says the Hero of Winds has no connection to the Hero of Time? He would if he was the Hero of Time reincarnated.

>>7900785
Zelda wishes that her and Link will be together forever. Even though Wind Waker Link has no blood connection to OoT Link, he's still the hero reincarnated. Ganondorf kills Link in the third timeline in OoT, yet he still gets reincarnated in ALttP.

>>7900172
>>7900178
>Some unrelated lore: Faron woods is actually on the Zelda 2 map, south of the second continent. But in Zelda 2, it's completely underwater.
If it's underwater, how do you know it's there?
>Here's the Zelda 2 map. Notice that if you stick the continents together, it will make a nice lake in the center. Compare it with the breath of the wild map and you'll find that is where Hyrule castle is. In fact, look at ruto town and the north castle on the Zelda 2 map, and you'll notice it matches up perfectly with Hebron region of BOTW in the same location. Even the roads match up. Death mountain also sharing a location with Darunia town.
This all sounds cool and I really want to believe it, but comparing very differnent looking maps and trying to see how roads compare between the two is a little beyond me. But I tried to stitch the two continents together, so did you mean something like pic related?

>>7900564
Considering I've never heard of this before and those are clearly titties, this IS big.

>>7900782
People really get obsessive on shipping characters with <20 lines a dialogue from a game that came out in 1998.

>>7900913
Shipping is lowkey is one of the secrets to OoT's enduring popularity, and its one that game journalists, for all they've written about OoT, have never picked up on.

>>7900837
i was thinking exactly that, but i realized in later posts the continents were not stuck together, but more land was added instead.

also during the development time of zelda 2 i doubt they had plans to have an underwater forest/skyloft. i know it's there because they introduced it in skyward sword and botw.

>>7900837
here's the road comparison

>>7898267

>>7900998
looks like the ultimate shitposting setup.

>>7900949
Okay, I can definitely see that, but in your first post you mentioned Ruto Town lining up with Hebra Mountain. It does somewhat, but in the BotW the north castle location (Rito Village) is much closer to the mountains than in the Zelda II map.

This is all cool stuff, and I like how the graveyard lines up so it's near where the BotW castle would be, but what does all this mean in terms of lore?

>>7901203
>but what does all this mean in terms of lore?
*I immediately realized I could have worded this better. What I mean is, can any of this mean what you're implying it means if Zelda II takes place in the Fallen Hero timeline and Breath of the Wild, whatever relation it has to any of the timelines, is 10,000+ years in the future?

>>7900949
I'm not seeing it

>>7901343
Beautiful.

Is there a name for the type of hat young Zelda wears? I've seen it in paintings before.

>>7901850
Looks kinda like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klobuk

>>7900782
>according to Eiji Aonuma is Zelda Box
*IN Zelda Box, which was a Japanese box set for The Wind Waker.
>Malon is based on Marin, but it doesn't follow that they based her on Malon too.
In that interview, he specifically mentions Malon as well since Aryll was going to more clearly fit the name theme, although design-wise she has more in common with Marin, yes.
>As much as I want this to be true, in past /vr/ threads Rutofags have made compelling arguments for why it was Ruto, and not Malon that Link ended up with.
wut

>>7900398
Downfall Timeline is disproportionate karma if Link rejects Malon..think I cracked the code.

>>7901850
Man, just the fact the characters of OoT bothered to look at old Renaissance paintings where women wore stuff like this... that game really was on another level.

>>7901850
It's on the tip of my tongue, Anon. Maybe a few more cute pictures of Young Zelda will jog my memory.

>>7901850
Looks like a pretty simple veil so it might be hard to find a word for that style specifically.

>>7888615
What if it is some dumb bullshit that only Japanese people get?
Like him speaking in some dialect that makes it clear he is imitating some Japanese celebrity and only Jap could find it funny.

>>7888930
The Dr Mario one is interesting for how far apart both game released.
Any explanation for that, is that specific shape tree a trope or something?

>>7890564
Navi even makes the thinkerbell sound in some part of the game.

>>7895624
That ball always reminded me of the moons of Bryyo from Metroid prime 3.

>>7900414
He does sound like Christopher Lee when he laughs in OoT.

is tetraforce a dead meme? pic related is pretty retarded but I remember being really into theories about it in the late 2000s/early 2010s when vaati/4 swords were relevant. guess I stopped caring because skyward sword onward kind of feels like a soft reboot & I haven't been keeping up with the lore as much.

>>7903879
It's sort of official considering Hylia exists as a fourth semi-goddess but it's not like she has her own Triforce piece or that she's considered on par with the other 3

>>7888603
>>7864068
>>7864212
Not that guy but just took a screenie of this off my first rlease rom, you can see it on the top right of the screen barely on this frame, but it is there

why is every romhack (Master of Time, Bombiwa Nimpize, Dawn and Dusk) so fucking shit except for Missing Link, and even that one still feels like it misses the mark despite being the "best?"
You'd think the game widely believed to be the best game of all time would have more mods. Mario 64 exploded with mods over the last few years (even if none match the art style very well) but OOT/MM despite being on the same engine never got too many beyond what I named.

>>7904832
Dawn and Dusk isn’t that bad, I played it after MissingLink and I liked it

>>7904832
I thought Master of Time was good where it counts. The dialog and textures are shitty but I really liked exploring the world and dungeons.

>>7904832
SM64 has had a simple map maker for much longer then OoT. OoT's map maker is still a god damn mess compared to SM64.
"Same Engine" is an over-simplification. OoT code base is 10 times bigger then SM64, OoT has a ton of cutscenes and hardcoded triggers, and Ocarina song triggers are their own mess.
Throwing in a custom level in SM64 is pretty simple. Creating a custom dungeon in OoT requires assembly knowledge. OoT is just much much more complex of a game then OoT.

>>7904842
what bugs me is how it calls itself Zelda 64 and is only notably for the betafag name and how it touts itself as a DD game when it a) does nothing at all with DD capabilities and b) Doesn't even actually require the DD, only needing an expansion pak to boot (if even that)

I feel like it's only known for its name being Zelda 64 and the use of the DD, because it does nothing very remarkable otherwise.

Which Link?

>>7905441
And which Zelda?

My favourites are probably OoT adult Link and LttP or Smash Zelda.

>>7899992
It’s actually okay. I find it very visually pleasing. I love running around Skyloft. Hopefully the remake will add some quality of life improvements and make it great.

>>7905503
Aside from the ability to rebind the wagglan controls to buttons, the only other QoL implementation I'm aware of (ability to warp to and from the sky, even in dungeons) is locked to an amiibo.

>>7903942
Well she lives on as Zelda reincarnated, it would be weird to think of Zelda herself being the fourth piece of a tetraforce.

>>7904009
I couldn't see it in those posts, but I see it now. Thanks.

>>7905512
I know, but I’m hoping they do some basic shit like not pause the game and show me an animation every time I pick up a piece of amber. Just use the BOTW box in the corner of the screen. And make Fi talk like half as much as before. I think that would basically fix the game.

Also, one of the best Zelda character designs, in my opinion.

>>7901850
Fancy coif?

>>7892973
>Time fuckery is a thing in these games
Precisely why I ignore everything about the official "timeline" nonsense and haven't played a Zelda game past Windwaker. When everything tried to start being part of a single universe is when the series rapidly went downhill. It's utterly trapped the dev team creatively because now everything has to somehow fit into a timeline. There will never another Majora's Mask or Adventure of Link.

>>7893197
It's "upside down" because when in a sheath or on display it's right-side up. Where a sword spends the vast majority of its time.

>>7892973
Refresh my memory, what's the Goddess Sword? Wasn't the sword that the goddess of legend (Hylia) used literally the Master Sword? And wasn't Ghirahim just the spirit of Demise' sword, kind of like a dark counterpart to Fi?

>>7895617
Oh fuck off. God dammit I hate this official retroactive lore shit so god damned much.

>>7905446
angry zedla top left is only zedla

>>7905682
>There will never another Majora's Mask or Adventure of Link
they could just do a LA thing where it was all a dream i used to read word up magazine
but yea theyre fucked
only other way out is going full kojimbo/nanomachines

>>7905441
Hero of Time > Oracle/Seasons > Toon Link > NES > ALTTP > Hero of Twilight (Human) > BOTW > CDI > TV > Skyward > Hero of Twilight (Wolf)

Also for Zeldas I like any of them except Skyward and BOTW, they both have DOWN syndrome
Tetra x Link best otp

>>7905705
dark link is so fucking cool

>>7905441
OoT. Not quite the Joe Yabuki-look of the older Links, but not the Bishies of the newer Links.

>>7905741
>full kojimbo/nanomachines
They're practically already there. Link has a fucking iPad in BOTW for god's sake. Plus he has womanly hips and looks like a twink. Argh I'm getting mad again.

>>7906071
They're not made for you. Move on, old man.

>>7897580
you could just go there and first person it

>>7900131
No

>>7888603
Which timeline has Zelda leaving Link behind to bleed out?

>>7906071
yea kinda what >>7906079 said, but less being a prick about it
they dont make zelda games for us anymore

no biggie tho
just go play some of the old ones with some hacks/randomizer on em
way better imo
early zelda games in particular lend themselves extremely well to randomization

the last decent zelda game i played was WW, and i didnt even really like that one that much, so whatever

>>7905438
Why was my erection complete when I got to the boots?

>>7905987
except when he keeps pushing my shit in at the end of 2

>>7888615
>"The running man has no significance..."
>So is there really something to the running man?

>>7888603
A Hyrulean lore thread? OK, I have a burning question I need clarified, and I hope one of you is autistic enough to have an answer. In Hyrule Historia, it's stated that the Royal Family was founded by descendants of Hylia (or rather, her mortal incarnation from Skyward Sword, Zelda). However, on another page of the official English version, it indicates that all Hylians are descended from her. HOWEVER, in the GlitterBerri translation, it uses the vaguer phrase, "those who share the roots of Goddess Hylia," which I infer to mean the humans from Skyloft. So which is it? Did Link and Zelda spring the Royal Family from their loins or practically the whole of fucking Hyrule?

>>7888615
>>7907524
Is there a fence/wall you can jump off of in the middle of the field and score a hidden 10/20 rupees (like the one above the Castle Town drawbridge)? I bet it was something like that.

>>7907618
This is the first I'm hearing of a GlitterBerri translation, but she's infinitely more trustworthy than whoever Darkhorse got. Going by her version, I would take that to mean that all Hylians are descendants of Link and Zelda (Hylia) in some way, yes. The Skyloftians probably hung around for awhile and interbreeded with the Hylians, but now pretty much everyone's bloodline goes back to Link and Zelda's.

>>7907635
>This is the first I'm hearing of a GlitterBerri translation, but she's infinitely more trustworthy than whoever Darkhorse got.
FYI, she did contribute to the official translation, and I think Art & Artifacts as well. She noped the fuck outta Zelda Encyclopedia tho.

>>7907651
>FYI, she did contribute to the official translation, and I think Art & Artifacts as well. She noped the fuck outta Zelda Encyclopedia tho.
What's the deal with Zelda Encyclopedia? Why is that the only book of the trilogy that gets so much flak, and were Historia, Art, and Enyclopedia even considered a trilogy in Japan or these are all just localizations of unrelated guidebooks?

>>7907671
How best to describe Zelda Encyclopedia?...OK, you know how Dark Horse shamelessly plagiarised from
wikis when "translating" Mario Encyclopedia? It's like that, but the Japanese version is messed up too. The lore section is filled with theories from NintendoDream writers (and they openly admit taking liberties with the source material they're given) that appear nowhere else, and their bibiography manages to have an impressive amount of non-official filler, which is probably why the monster section was rife with mistakes. The reason the worse book got less flack is because, unlike Mario Wiki being mortified and taking responsibility, Zelda Wiki apparently took glee in the notion that the fans might one day have the Power of Fuckup and went on Bullshit Defense Mode.

>>7895617
It’s not disputed, Encyclopedia isnt canon at all. There’s a disclaimer at the start literally saying the book is just fan theories.

>>7897060
Encyclopedia stated the motivation, not Hystoria. Hystoria just said the design was made so that people would guess if it was oot Link.

>>7906071
They’re close to it, but all the tech is still powered by the magic of the gods. It’s still fantasy enough for me thanks to that. I admit this is a cope, but “THE FANTASY WAS SCIFI ALL ALONG” is fucking tired and Zelda is a cooler series without it, so I really hope the tech stays god-powered and in the realm of fantasy.

>>7907618
Considering there are other hylians living on skyloft who are gonna migrate to earth at SS’s end, it’s safe to say they’re only talking about the royal family. There might be some confusion there like maybe hylians are thought of as Hylia’s (actual Hylia, not Zelda) children.

>>7907752
Oh damn, someone beat me to it.

Fuck those ‘theorists’. I’m tired of the anti-lore brainlets but those fags are even worse. They’ll come up with the randomest fucking theories and pass them off as absolute fact, and flip their shit when someone calls them out on making stuff up. When I see an anti-lore post it makes me wonder if they’re randomly obstinate about not wanting lore, or if they’ve had too many runins with these nutjobs and just write off all theories as bullshit because of that.

>>7907120
Wtf, did that thing always have a mouth? I've literally never noticed it before.

>>7907936
yeah it did

>>7907752
None of this makes any sense to me. If there are Japanese versions of these books and Dark Horse is translating them... *why plagiarize from western sources to begin with*? I remember hearing about that Mario Encyclopedia fiasco, but literally why even copy paste from those things when their only job should be to substitute Japanese names for the American/international ones? And if the Dark Horse version of Encyclopedia uses theories by NintendoDream, what does the Japanese version do that makes it untrustworthy? I just don't get why a straight translation is so difficult for them.

>>7905705
>when your reflection in the water disappears after crossing the island

>>7907635
>all Hylians are descendants of Link and Zelda
that’s so fucking stupid. Skyward Sword can eat shit off my balls

>>7888631
>link from ocarina of time
>his undershirt is light green instead of white
>>7888651
>link from ocarina of time
>he's holding wind waker style mirror shield and master sword
>the original state clearly showed him with hylian shield

what the fuck is going on

>>7894697
my theory is that they would have been employees at the fishing pond and you would have seen them depending on which day it was

>>7895714
soulful posting*

>>7901343
ungodly fucking tall image

whats the source

>>7904832
> despite being on the same engine

actually a myth

>>7908610
dunno, saw it in a /v/ thread

>>7908617
You're actually retarded.

>>7888603
My Majora's Mask secret is that I didn't like it at launch and I still don't. I wanted OOT 2, not a novelty game.

>>7888615
Try shooting him with an arrow

>>7890389
>Interestingly though, Ganondorf was originally modeled after pic-related according to devs.
Think again

She will always be...your friend.

>>7907996
I think there's a vocal subset of fans who want the official translation to adhere to "Western Canon" terms, which basically means keeping consistency with previous localizations. Thing is, name translations of things like items and monsters aren't always the most consistent between games, especially considering these translators often change over the years. So the book translators did the minimum of research, which is look up the wikis and reorganize and rename things according to them. That has its own problems as it ignores instances where improperly transliterated romanizations and fan-names are used in lieu of official English-localized names. It's very telling that the next Zelda book, Master Works/Creating a Champion for Breath of the Wild, has a brand new FACT CHECKER role headed by none other than Ian Flynn, who was hired to write the next encyclopedia (Sonic) and get Dark Horse on the straight and narrow.

>>7907635
>After SS, Link and Zelda fucked so much they spawned a proverbial population.
>Meanwhile, Groose and potentially a handful of others liked the surface so much that he eventually came back, becoming the ancestor to the Gerudo (similar red hair).
>So then, the Loftwings, combined with the bird-like features of Gaepora...oh god
>The remaining Skyloftians crossbred with Loftwings and resulted in the Oocca, making the Japanese and English statements about the Oocca both sort of true in a roundabout way.

>>7909014
the dungeons and bosses are all wayy wayyyyy better tho

>>7909523
That's possible. The core gameplay and tone repulsed me, though.

>>7909506
>The Gerudo are what you get when Zelda cheats on Link for Groose.

>>7909317
Ship... out of danger?

>>7907635
I wonder at what point the Royal Family was formed then. I thought the whole reason they were so special is because they carry the blood of the goddess / Light Force. Something that doesn't really make sense to me to all the Hylians can trace their ancestry from Hylia/Zelda. Then again, HYLIAn....

I essentially stopped paying attention to Zelda's lore after Oot.
The game itself serves as a perfectly understandable origin story for Link, Zelda and Ganon without getting into retarded anime-tier masturbation that Skyward Sword for no fucking reason.
Oot also provides backstory to A Link to the Past, further shedding light on the Triforce, Sages, Imprisoning War and Sacred Realm. Naturally, these details also feed back into Zelda 1 and 2.

Every game since OoT has just introduced more and more superfluous nonsense and has just gradually over explained and homogenized a lot of elements of the story, world and races.

>>7909568
I wish they had went with the beta storyline of OoT being the definitive first game in the series, SS was a mistake

>>7909564
>Then again, HYLIAn....
Precisely. In SNES ALttP, they're called the Hylia, and in Japan, they're either Hylia or Hylia-jin ("Hylia people", Hylian). When Hylia was introduced, it was obvious that the Hylians would be of her.

>>7909568
>>7909761
>Nintendo finally decides to acknowledge timelinefags
>they do so at the absolute worst possible time, while they're developing the worst 3D Zelda with the worst story and characters
Why's it gotta be like this?

Retro Zelda (pre-Gamecube) may as well be a different series. It might share gameplay/story/visual concepts but there's just something missing. Can't believe games like Ocarina and LTTP share a series with fucking Skyward Sword.

>>7908964
ask the decompilers

>>7910609
The decompilers who can find models in the old SM64 format?

>>7910551
that's because post-wind waker is part of the Soulless timeline

>>7910551
It's because pre-Majora's Mask, Zelda was far more similar to Metroid where it gives you the illusion that everything is open and you have to stumble around the world finding items that open other parts of the world where there are items that open other parts of the world...

Then Majora's Mask was incredibly linear, but made up for it with a plethora of side content and world building.

Then Wind Waker/Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword railroaded you on a set path you couldn't deviate from without massive sequence breaking glitches. Wind Waker is incredibly shallow when you realize 90% of sailing is wasted time and there's fucking NOTHING in that ocean. Also, the game comes to a complete stop until you grind an obscene amount of rupees for Tingle because the game was rushed and not ready for release and that's how Nintendo decided to pad it. Twilight Princess is just tedious to play because the world is big just for the sake of being big, and it constantly throws single use items at you. Do you like the Beyblade? You will never use it after the Arbiter's Ground. Do you like the Ball and Chain? You will never use it outside the Yeti mansion. Do you like the Dominion Rod? Play Hyrule Warriors. Skyward Sword? It's not enough that the sky is just an incredibly shallow version of the already horrible Great Ocean, but they have the audacity to make all the overworld locations in Hyrule a straight line to a dungeon, then make you backtrack through each location a second time as the game progresses.

People complain about Breath of the Wild but this series has been stagnant since 2002, and nobody wants to admit it.

>>7910532
Japs can't into story.
They can create fun settings just by throwing whatever sticks and playing around and letting surrealism and whimsy take their course, but the second they try to organize it into something substantial and cohesive, it all just loses whatever made it enjoyable in the first place.

It's like how in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, the Gorons, Zora and Deku Scrubs are fun fantasy races, but by BotW, Gorons are just knock-off dwarves, Zoras are fish elves and Deku Scrubs have been replaced by Aonuma's shitty koroks.

>>7910638
>People complain about Breath of the Wild but this series has been stagnant since 2002, and nobody wants to admit it.
Pretty sure people admit that all the time. Hell, I hate BotW and even I can admit that Zelda has been a 6/10 series since 2002.
Wind Waker's development has absolutely murdered the fuck out of the franchise in retrospect. The game itself had a strangled, rushed production that caused a lot of kickback in the fandom that left Nintendo not even sure what fand wanted. So from between TP to BOTW, Nintendo was trying almost anything to revitalize Zelda, while also trying to keep it exactly the same as Ocarina of Time. You had the stories, gameplay, characters and so on all trying and failing to recapture what made OoT popular before they eventually went "fuck it" and made a sandbox game with physics puzzles lifted right out of Half-Life 2 with Portal Test Chambers. And even then, almost all of its characters are reskinned versions of OoT's characters (with the addition of Falco Lombardi).

>>7888603
in cockring of time and major ass, there is a butt plug left by a dildongo in anal mountain.

>>7910532
>Why's it gotta be like this?
you try retrospectively writing a coherent narrative after 30+yrs of essentially not giving a shit at all and releasing random standalone games in a franchise

not defending the fags desu
jus saiyan
das why it be like it is

>>7910617
no hes talking about the OoT decompilation project thats ongoing
MMs is most certainty related to OoTs engine, but is not the same
when romhackers move over assets missing link comes to mind its definitely no copypasta affair

>>7910670
>Pretty sure people admit that all the time. Hell, I hate BotW and even I can admit that Zelda has been a 6/10 series since 2002.
Your post articulates a lot of my gripes with the series since the N64 era.
OoT and MM are like crack cocaine in how good they are; the ones released since are more like methadone cut with milk powder, and I'm lactose intolerant.

For what it's worth I think Twilight Princess was kinda okay (decent enough, but poor form for a Zelda) and BotW, while its a skeleton of a real game without any meat- and the BotW2 trailer has me concerned they've not fixed the core issues with the original, it's still the most fun and engaged I've been with the series in the 15 years prior.
What I will say though is that Wind Waker was a god damn mistake. Not just the artstyle (even though it sucks), not just that it was rushed (even though the latter half of the game is padded like a menstruating firehose), but because even the sections that were given appropriate devtime aren't very good and it generally treats the player with such giggling contempt: WW is so slow, so heavily tutorialised, so handholdy, so linear, so easy and so fucking boring; yet it smacks the player anytime they try to go faster or break the intended sequence, and I swore after my most recent playthrough a couple years back (having not touched the game in a decade) that I would never, ever play it again.
Let me harp on the slowness a moment longer- it's so bad I legitimately think they didn't update the text speed from Japanese because it prints new characters at a rate glacial enough to offend children. And of course you can't adjust it, and of course every time you pick up a ruppee or spoil it has to give you several textboxes full of garbage. Sailing is boring but honestly the least of the game's problems.

>>7909568
this

>>7905682
>When everything tried to start being part of a single universe is when the series rapidly went downhill.

Zelda 2 was meant to be a sequel of Zelda 1, LA was meant to be a sequel of LttP, and OoT was meant to be a prequel to LttP. They didn't intend for multiple timelines then, even if the connection between the NES games to the others wasn't clear. The problem came when they started making sequels to OoT that weren't compatible with LttP, which split the timeline.

>>7907936
>Wtf, did that thing always have a mouth? I've literally never noticed it before.

shiiiiiiiiiit

>>7910797
>you try retrospectively writing a coherent narrative after 30+yrs of essentially not giving a shit at all and releasing random standalone games in a franchise
My point is, why did they try?
One of the few things Final Fantasy does right is not tying together its mothership titles into a single continuity. They tried it with FFVII and X and it was fucking dumb, because you shouldn't do that.

>>7893675
The feeling of pulling tights or skinny jeans over freshly-shaved legs <3

You are not ready for the deepest lore of Hyrule.

>>7909568
I think it's cool how Wind Waker does it because it's basically an alternate timeline sequel to Ocarina of Time, whereas Majora's Mask is the "main" sequel. There are connections to the old lore like the opening story crawl and the stained glass windows in the decaying old Temple of Time, but not so much that you NEED to play Ocarina to appreciate Wind Waker's story. Twilight Princess is even more self contained, it references OOT Link with the Hero's Shade and Link's chainmail being openly based off OOT Link's armor in-game, but beyond that it has few lore connections beyond total speculation. Skyward Sword tried too hard with muh lore and totally flopped, so Breath of the Wild went back in the other direction and was totally self-contained.

>>7907120
Those Beamos mouths are disgusting.

>>7910651
>Gorons are just knock-off dwarves, Zoras are fish elves
That’s what they were in OoT, no more or less so than in BotW. The only exception being the retarded long lifespans they now gave to zora, which is very Tolkien elvish. That’s one difference.

>>7907936
I think they only have that in MM.

>>7907996
A lot of people were baffled and asked the same thing and in typical corporate fashion no answers were given.

>>7909564
Your assumption about the royal family is right. That anon was wrong, not all hylians are from Link/Zelda. SS ends with the sky tribe moving to the earth, it was more than just Link and Zelda repopulating. The royal family does indeed carry the light force of Hylia.

The confusion comes from Hylians supposedly coming from Hylia. Hylia is the goddess, Zelda is the human incarnation. They share a soul in a way but arent strictly the same entity, the same way oot zelda and ss zelda share a soul but are also their own persons. Hylia and Zelda can or cant be used interchangeably depending on the context. In this case, it seems like Hylia refers to the actual Hylia, not her form as Zelda who just continued her family line.

>>7907120
I always wondered who makes the Beamos statues between games, especially this one

>>7907936
>>7911483
it's there in both OoT and MM

Beamos thread?

>>7888930
lmao, people at nintendo are just lazy as fuck

>>7888930
Pianta / Guardian Deity connection is a massive stretch

>>7910551
That pic is pure soul.
Almost on par with old Zelda 2 concept arts (you know which ones)

>>7888626
nice! gotta try that

>>7911317
Is this the Zelda version of the Wario Apparition?

I wonder what made them make Impa into a tough, ninja lady instead of an old hag like the NES games.

>>7911434
The timeline shit makes even less sense to me since several masks from Majora appear in WW.

>>7912520
They probably came up with the idea of sheik & naturally decided it was impa's plan/impa taught her ancient skills & lore. that doesnt mean impa couldn't be an old lady necessarily but I guess reworking her from an attendant into a bodyguard made sense in the role. of course having both versions would be great & fit with the time theme but the future is only 7 years in oot so we had to wait until ss for that.

Personally I think young impa is similar enough to sheik to be unnecessary, and an old lady would give oot more variety in its archetypes, so I wonder (though doubt) if impa's design is a repurposed sheik prototype. pic related has an early sheik for example, who even has white hair, but no impa. I don't have any pictures of impa saved from that early in development but idk there probably are some online.

>>7912584
You might be on to something. Judging from some overdump details, it's believed that MIDO was the Sage of Shadow, not Impa.

>>7912610
this makes me think he was going to become a stalfos.

>>7911434
>>7912556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiIW1Bq3tWk

>>7912556
Sometimes little references are a hint at deepest lore stuff, and sometimes little references are just little references.

>>7912584
>>7912610
Mido was almost certainly gonna be a sage. Remember the towns in zelda 2 are named after sages with Mido being one of the only outliers.

I like Impa as a ninja chick. It helps Shiek make way more sense. Plus it’s cooler for her to be a badass lady bodyguard rather than a simple attendant. N64 had lowpoly daggertits but I dont mind the attempt at eye candy either.

>>7912610
>>7912668
>Mido bullies you at the start of the game for not being like the other Kokiri
>ends up also being a Hylian but turns undead due to the woods, becoming the Sage of Shadow as a result

>>7912668
>>7912738
>They repurposed this idea for the Hero's Shade.

>>7910651
No it's westerners who always require some silly ass reason for everything or preserve everything who can't into story. At some point only harking back to your earlier accomplishments ceases to make a story. Baka gaijin.

>>7912738
thats a lot less ridiculous than idve thought desu
gives fados text about turning into stalfos some meaning too, other than just being some flavor text thats part of an optional trading quest

also wtf is up with fado?
other than saria, who is a sage, shes the only kokiri that looks any different
i always had the feeling she was intended to be a more important character

>>7912797
I have a feeling she, Mido, and Saria were supposed to be part of a love triangle (er, square if you count Link).

>>7912668
>>7912738
>The Sages really were dead.
>After Impa replaced Mido and didn't become a Stalfos, they softened it up to make it vague.

>>7912738
It’s possible Mido wasnt even a Kokiri originally. The original sage Mido might have had nothing to do with our Mido except a name. Then after they cut a whole other region/dungeon and his questline they give his name to someone else for that Zelda 2 reference or just because they have another character they need a name for or something.

The truth of the original Mido will likely forever remain in darkness...BECAUSE HE’S THE SHADOW SAGE

>>7912796
Poor cope. Japanese people wrote the dumpster fire lore that is zelda

>>7912817
>>7912797
I don't remember if it was deconfirmed in the leaks, but it has been speculated a long time that Fado was originally the sage of a cut wind temple.
Which would explain why she's unique and named, and also why wind waker has a wind sage named fado.

>>7912938
If he was a kokiri or kokiri turned stalfos, I'm thinking the forest temple might've been his since its full of poes & bubbles & phantom ganon. but then again the forest temple is tied to a million other theories like being remnants of the castle hub so who knows.
But presumably the wind temple would have been more forest themed and involve the hover boots like the shadow temple does in the final, which is very linear & I'm guessing but might have been a late addition.
>>7912797
Usually people say she was the sage of wind but fado isn't even the name of a zelda 2 town iirc so I think saria would have just been the sage of wind & not her. but fado is blonde like link which I find suspect, they might be siblings or something. early fado doesnt even look as young as the other kokiri to me.

>>7912980
The forest temple is also tied to Saria, obviously. We just dont know if Saria wouldve gone somewhere else or if she was always the forest save and Mido wouldve been the one with a cut area

>>7912970
>wind waker has a wind sage named fado.
oh shit i didnt even think about that

>>7912980
>they might be siblings or something
she cant be hylian tho as she doesnt get older

>>7912674
holy shit this is big
timeline is dead

>>7912796
based

>>7910532
>while they're developing the worst 3D Zelda
Correct.
>with the worst story and characters
Astoundingly incorrect, and I'd be willing to bet you've never even played through the whole game.

>>7910670
>Pretty sure people admit that all the time. Hell, I hate BotW and even I can admit that Zelda has been a 6/10 series since 2002.
I, too, hate non-linear exploration. Being back the sidequest bloat and the puzzle dungeons, Nintendo!
>eats Tide pod

>>7909380
>It's very telling that the next Zelda book, Master Works/Creating a Champion for Breath of the Wild, has a brand new FACT CHECKER role headed by none other than Ian Flynn, who was hired to write the next encyclopedia (Sonic) and get Dark Horse on the straight and narrow.
Oh wow, not only did they get Flynn, but they got David Oxford, AKA LDB Nyretrain. That guy has been in nearly fandom I've been a part of since the 90s. Two well respected oldies as fact checkers, I love it.

>>7908208
>when your reflection in the water disappears after crossing the island
I can still get goosebumps when I see that happen. Such a awesome moment.
>>7911064
>It's a skeleton of a game without any meat
>It's the most fun I've had with Zelda in years!
Jesus.

>>7913281
zoomers love BotW though

>>7913316
So do many lapsed Zelda fans who got sick of Aonuma's "story" fixation and puzzle bullshit.

how many dungeons are there in breath of the wild?

>>7913326
4, but for the most part they can be cleared quicker previous 3d Zelda dungeons. There are puzzles, and still not as much combat as I'd like, but at least the puzzles aren't the cut-and-dry "use your newest item to light this torch in some WILD and UNEXPECTED NEW WAY" variety. And the boss battles are cool. But the best thing is that you don't have to do any of it. If you just want go back to one of the towns or stables and chill and do some side quest, you can. If you want to go exploring, you can. You want to go challenge some tough monsters, you can. And if you want to just go straight to Ganon and fight him, it's entirely possible, if challenging, to do that without beating a single boss beforehand.

>>7913323
the puzzle bullshit never stopped

>>7913306
>Jesus
Yeah it's pretty grim.
The game has a really shitty reward structure; a couple pieces of armor aside there's no permanent reward for exploration besides yet another shrine or Korok seed, and the enemy variety is atrocious, but the actual gameplay loop of running around and mountain climbing is kinda fun. They just need to work on making the reward for doing all that orienteering and mountaineering something other than another shrine or horrid little wood gremlin.

>>7913326
5 if you count Hyrule Castle despite how easily everything in it can be bypassed
Divine Beasts aren't really good substitutes for classic dungeons given they have a flat difficulty and the objective remains the same across all four of them, find 5 terminals in any order with the ghosts reminding you about them every time you find one

>>7913326
120 if you count the Shrines, which I do. Each one is like a singular disconnected room from a larger temple. They feel more like mini dungeons to me than the Divine Beasts.

>>7913352
>>7913484
>>7913507
so 4 then
practically WW tier
sounds terrible

>>7913576
Why not play it instead of assuming

>>7913581
im on a good streak right now
havent bought vidya in like a decade
certainly not about to start with the nu-bingwahoo machine

>>7913587
Your loss, that's a weird brag

>>7913281
>sidequest bloat and the puzzle dungeons
I want to know what makes you think that botw DOESN'T have these.
And I also want to know why you think that's a good comeback to a post that just said that every zelda game since from wind waker to skyward sword has been average when those are the games where they're explicitly more heavy with puzzles and sidequests.

secret: theyre all dead

>>7913707
Not in the Child timeline (Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess)

>>7913707
It's weird how unclear it is at the end of OOT whether they're alive or not in both the Adult and reset endings.

>>7913712
in OOT they fly over the alive humans who are celebrating and dont interact. except ruto drops sparkles on king zora and saria drops them on the kokiri guy

>>7913728
but are they alive when Zelda sends Link back or are they retroactively killed by the future?

>>7913595
nod rly
nu gaems are entirely uninteresting to me
and why would i pay for /vr/ when its F R E E?

>>7913732
yes

>>7913732
Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa and Nabooru

Dead in Adult Timeline
Dead in Downfall Timeine
Alive in Child Timeline

>>7913707
>No one cares about Nabooru and Rauru
Lol

Also what does it mean to be a sage?
Do you have to die, so your soul can watch over some hole in the ground for all eternity?

>>7913921
I always forget Rauru exists even though he's just Gaemoerueruauau Kaeporueruueruruueau

>>7909038
>>7907620
>>7902130
>>7907524
>>7900396
>>7888679
>>7888627
What is it with modern westerners being so easily fooled?

>>7912967
>>7913323
t. Conditioned and filtered
Also sameposter

>>7913595
He is also the sameposter as the last two I quoted. He is clearly mentally challenged, arrested or both. What he really wants is help. But he's looking for it in the worst possible place.

>>7890395
As much as I love Berserk, it's a Peter Pan reference Sven.

>>7910681
Kek. Dildongo

>>7911532
That's pretty great, Anon. Did you make that?

>>7914274
I like it too but I didn't make it, I found it on duckduckgo.

>>7912556
Most of those masks appear in Ocarina of Time, too. Presumably the All-Night(?) Mask exists in all timelines, it's just that, in Wind Waker, it never ended up in the Hero of Time's hands. In A Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask is just chilling on Link's wall and Link can wear it in Breath of the Wild. Different timelines don't necessarily erase things from existence, it just means they have different fates.

>>7907120
>>7907936
>>7911436
>>7911510
maybe the master beamos at the pirate fort creates the others

>>7914685
Bruh... the lore... so deep... I can't take it...

>>7911510
>>7911532
Did you know? The reason Beamos' name wasn't used until Ocarina of Time isn't a localizer's fault, but rather, they really did use another name in earlier Japanese guides.

What was their deal?

>>7914981
Easily the weirdest enemy out of OOT/MM. What the hell are they?

>>7914685
is this a mod?

>>7915146
Some kind of Goron sub-species? That’s what I always thought.

>>7915206
>Some kind of Goron sub-species?
Okay, if you want a weird Goron connection, get a load of this: in the Japanese Super Famicom manual for A Link to the Past, the graveyard (whether it be the one in the game or the one in the NES Zelda which is closer to Death Mountain isn't clear) is said to belong to the race of high mountain people. What is Death Mountain populated by in this game instead? DEADROCKS. And what are Deadrocks called in the American GBA guide? GORONS. Theory: Ocarina of Time introduced the Gorons as the "high mountain people" previously mentioned, and Deadrocks were intended to their undead form in a similar way that Zoras were split between friendly and evil ones.

>>7915157
It's Gerudo Training Grounds, an optional dungeon whose only reward is ice arrows. Everyone forgets it exists

>>7915313

>>7914981
>tatl flavor text says they smell like gunpowder
Do guns exist in the zelda universe? Or perhaps they just happened to call it gunpowder randomly?

>>7916147
Fireworks and bombs would use gunpowder.
Granted, the mixture of charcoal, saltpeter and sulfur wouldn't likely be called gunpowder in the zelda universe, though

Was there any good oot/mm stufd in the gigaleak? I didn't want to keep up with the dripfed leakthreads

>>7916147
>>7916163
cannons exist in-universe wouldn't they? Those could still be called guns

>>7916192
lots of early beta story stuff for OoT and a handful of beta assets

>>7916192
wasnt that the one with all the beta maps in it?
idk theres been so many leaks its hard to remember which was which

>>7916192
>>7916325
nvm
that was the F-zero prototype

>>7916192

>>7914981
banished gorons. if we lived in a world where gorons had to steal for food instead of eating rocks

>>7914685
That’s the sheikah symbol. That’s four masks of truths but with luscious lips.

What does it mean? Probably just beta content, but still.

>>7916192
Gigaleak is baby shit, we 1997 overdump now:
https://tcrf.net/Proto:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Late_1997_Overdump
If you really want gigaleak specific shit, Majora's Mask was built off of Ura Zelda despite Miyamoto saying for years it wasn't, and pic related was an incredibly early Hyrule Field with the Market in the foggy distance. Poes in Hyrule Field was literally one of the first ideas implemented and it persisted to the final game.

>>7916434
Some comparison shots of old Hyrule Field laid over current Hyrule Field and Termina

>>7916440
And finally, confirmation that this previously unknown early beta area was the first iteration of Hyrule Field

>>7888603
I never got a clear look at that image before and always thought link was stabbing with the sword rather than slashing. It looks way less bizarre now.
Pic unrelated. But I wonder if he ever did it.

>>7916346
Zelda myst when

>>7916443
Looks like the clock town gates

>>7916192
Not the gigaleak per se, but the F-Zero DD cartridge. Pic related, unused items. Tons of text strings for removed abilities and dialogue etc.

And basically every beta map from prerelease footage/images:
https://youtu.be/ui4Iv0i5zB8

>>7904832
Making games is hard enough already, but hacking old games requires a lot of extra steps and arcane knowledge while still ultimately giving you extra limitations.
How do I add a custom boss? I don't know!
Why does my custom boss crash the game? Who knows!
Why can't I have more than 2 of these enemies in the same room? Memory limitation.
How come this texture fucking flickers? etc.

The decomp should remove a lot of the barriers of entry as well as limitations of the engine and platform. While also adding documentations and allowing 3rd party tools to be made to target it.
Turning the game into a canvas template rather than a fortress to be infiltrated and usurped. Much like has been the case with SM64.
Modding the game goes from this complex mysterious, hoop jumping, speculation thing to just modding a game using a standard codebase and set of tools everyone can already understand. Rather than some Japanese game from decades ago that runs on some custom mips machine.

>>7905446
>implying I can choose between a princess and a princess

Can anyone verify if deku link runs faster than normal link in mm?
It feels way easier to catch the bombers gang members or keep up with the deku butler

>>7916434
>Gigaleak is baby shit, we 1997 overdump now:
thats the one with that fuckmassive deku tree beta map, right?

>>7916708
Yep

>>7915616
You meant >>7914981

>>7895182
I'd love to know what the original code comments or names were for this.
>explodeZeldasHair()
>// take the edges of her hair and translate them into a hexagon using ...
like why

>>7911317
MMM

>>7916763
>like why
The bigger why is why the anti-pracy features of OoT are so tame and useless. Make adult Zelda's hair a pentagon? Worthless. Make her unable to open the bars during the escape? Wow, you can still play 99% of the game. Make fishing impossible? That's just a single heart piece and the relatively useless golden scale.

>>7916779
Technically it would be 2 heart pieces, since you need to the golden scale to get the diving heart piece from the scientist in the lake hylia lab

>>7916868
GameFAQs already knew the optimal strat of getting it with the iron boots and hookshot back in 1998. If you're in a position to pirate Ocarina of Time in 1998, you're in a position to browse gameFAQs or any other piracy BBS or usenet group.

https://youtu.be/NgnTdvKEO3g

>>7916434
Following up on the previous thread.
>>7883682
I dug up this pic from one of the older threads in January, and referring to the Desert Colossus as the Statue of the Evil Goddess Din. Can someone confirm if this is real or a hoax? It's not on TCRF.
>>7887005
Clarifying that the Hebra Mountain (ヘブラ山) part turned out to be true. It's in the pastebin (https://pastebin.com/raw/jqEpFpht)) and TCRF, just untranslated.

>>7917117
I can confirm that in Japanese, the Desert Colossus is the "Evil Goddess Din"

>>7917139
I mean if the 邪神ディンの像 graphic supposedly from the overdump is legit. For reference, here's a confirmed set of UI graphics. Note that Desert Colossus and Deku Tree are going by their final Japanese names there, and there's something called "Special Course", which may be Jabu-Jabu or something related to Space World '97. Is it likely that the overdump has an even earlier set of names?

>>7917180
"Special Course" was the '97 Space World Gerudo's Training Ground:

https://tcrf.net/Proto:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Late_1997_Overdump/3D_Maps#Gerudo.27s_Training_Ground

>>7910551
OLD GOOD NEW BAD

>>7917180
"Special Course" being in >>7917117 between Dodongo's Cavern and Forest Temple to clarify.

>>7917117
Strangely, "Fairy Deku Tree" (妖精デクの樹) isn't listed among TCRF's unused textures, but it DOES show up at one point in the text itself. If someone hoaxed it with their headcanon they definitely still had early knowledge of the dump.

>>7917056
never heard of this, cool

>>7917192
Yes.

>>7917286

>>7917308
can you actually get rando to say that?

>>7917416
You can make it say whatever you want it to say

>>7917545
need to fuck

>>7916346