/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7901041
needed brand new paintings.

straight ports are less interesting than adaptaions.

>dpad movement and run button
>poor implementation of alternate characters (Why can Luigi walk on water when it's literally never used? Why add Wario and have him be worse than everyone else and only useful for breaking black bricks?)
>new courses are lacklustre (except for the Goomboss one, which was alright)
I think that it would have been a good remake if they had made it for the 3DS.

>inb4 that mentally damaged freak starts spamming his autistic "soul" infographs

>>7901067
Were the touch screen controls any good?

>>7901067
Ironically, the mod community decompiled the Nintendo 64 version and ported it to 3DS and it works excellently.

>>7901064
It did. Have you not played it?

>>7901120
no. I owned it, but I quit at bobomb battlefield cause I hated the controls. that's what I get for talking while wrong. total humiliation. and the first post, too. guess I'll die.

>>7901041
is the DS retro now?
this makes me so happy. it's my favorite console, handheld or otherwise.

>>7901108
That's not ironic at all. That's the opposite: it's as expected.

>>7901126
You're not that wrong. There are new portrait levels, but they're very short and usually only have 1 or 2 stars.

>>7901130
No, and while it should be, we are allowed to talk about ports, friend :)

>>7901130
What's the best DS game, btw?

everything +(rain(bow)ser)

>>7901219
Castlevanias

>>7901231
soul soulless

>>7901041
No analog stick

>>7901272
Dawn or Aria?

>>7901103
Meh.

anyone have the gif of peach painting fading into bowser?

Nintendo DS games are not retro. Read the sticky, trannies

So, noboby wants to do a romhack of Mario 64 with DS content ??

>>7901310
There's not even a romhack of SMW that adds the GBA content

>>7901231
>That Peach portrait

>>7901041
You start with yoshi, you need to unlock the main character

>>7901067
I called it.

>>7901283
Aria is GBA

>>7901340
Sounds shit

>>7901041
nothing, nobody asides autists had problems with it

>>7901067
There are mods that map the touch screen to analog for emulators. Dont know if it works on an r4 card, but thatd be great if it did.

>>7901434
r4 card's are redundant, bud. Does the mod work with twilight menu?

>>7901067
You forgot:
>redesigned art is ugly

>>7901130
>DS is my favorite console
Why? There's almost nothing really good on it

>>7901108
Anon, ironic means "It's funny because it's contradictory", for example, a fire station burning down, Walt Disney being afraid of mice, or getting stuck in a traffic jam when taking a shortcut.

>>7901219
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. If you're more of an RPG person, Final Fantasy 4 or Radiant Historia. If you like furries and great music and comfy af worlds, Solatorobo.

>>7901103
It came with this thing for your thumb to emulate a joystick on the screen. It was the only way to play this game, every other control option was too cumbersome

Making a 3D console without an analog stick.

>>7901103
They're good for a few seconds at a time until your thumb inevitably reaches the end of the touch screen and you have to keep constantly recentering it

>>7901041
Let's go through the characters, see if you can find a problem
>Yoshi: You start as Yoshi in this remake of a Mario game. Yoshi has a moveset all about eating and shooting enemies, which are not at all relevant to Mario 64. Mario 64 itself already had a baffling array of "attack" moves and even combos to perform for pretty much no reason at all, like underutilised holdovers of some early-state design principle that was never followed, and Yoshi expands on this for some reason
>Mario:
>Luigi: Mario but better. The invisibility powerup was taken AWAY to give to Luigi exclusively.
>Wario: Mario but worse. The metal powerup was taken AWAY to give to Wario exclusively, and certain very rare areas that were normal bricks before can now only be broken by Wario.

>>7901309
Retro ports and remakes are allowed

>>7901041
The controls mostly. Really deserved a full fledged console release on the Wii or something, Even 3DS would have been preferable.

>>7901308
I know the originals were just stylized versions of existing stock art, but damn. The DS version just taking the 3D models and slapping there is even lazier.

Yea

>>7901041
>what went wrong?
It looked like a PS1 game.

>>7903209
Yeah, and? That's what DS games were pretty much.

>>7901041
soulless art style downgrade

>>7903253
Right. That's the point. It looked like a PS1 game. Grainy and shitty with pixels ao sharp they could stab your eyes out. You're right, most DS games look like that sadly.

>>7903209
Not really, its textures are very high res compared to any 5th gen console, they're perspective-correct and vertices are in floating point coordinate space so they don't wobble, unlike Saturn and PSX which straight up didn't have FPUs. It doesn't look like PSX. There's also no fog, no blur and there's a short draw distance of objects due to the slower-than-N64 processing and hard polygon limits.

SM64DS looks distinct from either console's games.

>>7903364
>and vertices are in floating point coordinate space so they don't wobble
Not true, the DS has no FPU. But DS vertex operations do use 32 bit fixed point numbers, while the Playstation's are only 16 bit.

>>7901314
has the DS content been ported in the decompilation port yet?
Do we have some easy mod loader for it yet?

dropping the title 64x4 and the co-op 4-player feature that was planned for it.

>play the slide level with your bros
>land on the top of the finish area and have a battle royale on its inexplicably slippery surface
That was the best time I had in Mario 64 DS.

I liked it

>>7901605
I didn't include that because I don't think that it matters. I will play an uglier version of a game if it plays better or has more worthwhile content (Super Mario Advance).

>>7901067
>>7901231
That really didn't take long at all.

>>7903693
fpbp

>>7903676
This. /vr/ millennials just like to hate on every single remake. This one really wasn't that bad.

>>7901309
Read the sticky which claims Sixth Gen is retro? No thanks.

>>7901041
It completely overhauled the gameplay of the original, replacing a good chunk of the game with inferior substitutions. If they literally ported all of Super Mario 64 intact with extra content, it would've been better. Instead we got a game which didn't feel like an improvement, but didn't feel like a remake.

>>7904281
That would have been a masterclass of programming since the DS's ARM9 runs at only about 2/3 of the N64 clockrate and you weren't allowed to offload anything to the ARM7 in its programming (which is 1/3 of it, ie you'd still need to have impossibly perfect multithreading anyway and zero of the functions requiring 3D stuff to happen on the ARM7).

>>7901041
It's not even the same game. The collision detection, RNG, and move mechanics are completely different algorithms that look like they were taken from a different game engine entirely.

Again, how has there been 0 mods for the controls/movements? I would have thought by now, there had to have been one, but so far I've found nothing

>>7901309
Everything is retro now. Get over it. The board is trash.

>>7904354
Skelux made a few. He made a program to map an analog stick to the touch screen and some hacks to tweak the character movements. I think there's a way to use analog controls in retroarch too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtV0p6JMG1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHA4Vr1fVKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyzjXTd39o0

>>7901309

>>7901041
I just realized this came out less than 10 years after the original. But it seemed like an eternity back then. Time be crazy. Time be crazy!

theres at least 6 downgrades in this pic. can you spot them all?

>>7901041
you don't start as Mario, and the alternate characters aren't well implemented

>>7904470
Portrait
HUD
Walls are uniform beige
Mario's model changed
You can see the throat of the smaller Goomba which means a vorefag worked on this
The Soul/Soulless Meme is being used

>>7904470
>Picture
>Frame itself
>Walls are only one color of paint
>Also no lighting on the right wall, just fullbright
>Dropshadow under mario is some retarded octagon instead of a circle
>It's the DS version (Free Space)

>>7904470
>shit lighting
>potrait is weirdly stylized
>ds version so blurry as fuck
>walls are different color for no reason
>lack of in-game hud even tho its ds version
>frame of portrait looks bronze when its gold in original

Not all of those I'd consider downgrades but the stylization and coloring is just kinda weird.

>>7904470
>Goombas don't look like goombas. Look weird af.
>Colorful walls/color scheme in general; takes away from the gloom of Bowser having taken over the castle
>Le wacky proportions on Mario; oversized hands for example.
>Lives, number of stars, camera angle guy taking up space on the screen.

Left is definitely soulless, you're right.

>>7901607
GTA ctw

it was

>>7904567
>>lack of in-game hud even tho its ds version
It's on the lower screen retard.

>>7901041
Inserting 4 playable characters is too ambitious for a mere remake that sticks pretty close to the original, so it actually makes the game more limiting then when it was just Mario.

>>7901219
my favorites were...

>custom robo arena
>metroid prime hunters
>contra 4
>tetris DS
>mario kart DS
>warioware touched
>castlevania dawn of sorrows
>pheonix wright

>>7901231
>everythingwasbetterwhenyouwere12.jpg

>>7904470
the goomba painting on the right is cute

>>7901219
I'm not the biggest DS fan, but here are a few games I have fond memories of:
Mario hoops 3 on 3 (Possibly the finest Mario sports related title)
Bunch of Visual Novels (The Ace Attorney series, 999, Hotel Dusk)
Nanashi No Game
WayForward games (Shantae Risky's Revenge, Aliens Infiltration, The Thor Game)
That unreleased Gauntlet remake
Kirby Super Star Ultra
The Mario & Luigi Series
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword (a fairly adequate adaptation of modern NG to touchscreen controls)
The weird portable version of Resident Evil
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
Tetris (It has a bunch of additional modes)
The ports of TrackMania
That Wizard of Oz RPG
Super Scribblenauts
Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey
Radiant Historia
Retro Gaming Challenge
Infinite Space
The Castlevania games
The Atari game collection that includes their military tank simulator
Choushoujuu Mecha MG
Solatorobo
The Lufia Remake
The Dragon Quest Games
Mario Kart

>>7909152
Both trackmania games on DS are a lot of fun, but the framerate sucks so they benefit a lot if you can overclock the console. DSi and 3DS consoles can do it with NTR Launcher or twilightmenu++.

>>7901041
>mfw played the entire game with the D-pad and shoulder buttons and 100% it as well

Get on my level fags.

>>7901219
ghost trick
999
Zelda: phantom hourglass
pokemon white 2
rhythm heaven

>>7910582
I'm missing one star in this piece of shit game and I don't know which one it is. FUUUUUUUUUUUU
I loved playing as war

>>7901067
>I think that it would have been a good remake if they had made it for the 3DS.
if you emulate it on a 3ds in twilight menu you can play with the circle pad and overclock and tweak shit to where i thought it was great.

>>7911828
you know it doesn't magically add analog controls when you play it on a 3ds right