/vr/ - Retro Games

yeah

yeah

>>7891181

based

>decent CD/DVD player
>free online features that can still be accessed in 2021 with the right know-how
>literally too many games between its own library and PS1 to even have an accurate count
>great controller
About the only thing you can say is the laser and disc tray are shoddy but even then, you can use freemcboot or just buy a new one for $60. It does seem kind of silly to own 10 different consoles when you can play a different game on this thing every day for the rest of your life and never even see it all.

The older I get, the more I realize there's no reason to own any console. Emuchads win again.

>>7891252
PC is the end all be all, but if you want something to shove under the TV and kick back to, this is as good as it gets.

>the older i get, the more i zoom
you might wanna check that out

>>7891272
>21 year old console
>zoomers
okay retard, back to atari with you

>>7891274
>the console is as old as i am therefore im not zoom!

>>7891281
>making assumptions because you're a retarded faggot who thinks the youtube generation cares about a 21 year old console
got em

>So_y Gaystation Jew
not retro

>>7891304
>"it's only retro if I say it is"
>implying I care whether it's retro or not to begin with
consider swallowing butt pills

>>7891287
>i larp and project because i zoom zoom on the 4chans

>>7891272
>zoom

>>7891328
>thinks you have to be a larping 19 year old to enjoy the best console ever made
this is why you're gay

>>7891181
>image quality is fucking bad
>can't emulate the ps1 properly
>doesnt have analogue triggers
>looks like a box
>people only bought it for the dvd features which, isn't great at all
>70% of games are shitty licensed games
>wer is vga
>stops working after 3 hours
>wer is keyboard and mouse
>wer is 60fps
overall its just a nigger console for normies niggers like op, you should've get an xbox, or even a dreamcast

>>7891252
emulation isn't perfect
>cope and sneed emufag/poorfag

>>7891336
>xbox
>halo, halo 2, multiplats, and nothing else
what a dumb fucking post

>>7891336
or pc like every intelligent person

>>7891341
>shit comming from a ps2fag
try harder
(ps2, gta sa, gta sa, gta sa, tomb raider)

>>7891341
>shit comming from a ps2fag
try harder
(ps2, gta sa, gta sa, gta sa, tomb raider, see its easy faggot, that ain't gona change the shitty controller and image quality)

>>7891252
pcsx2 sucks ass though. If it's a multiplat, I ain't touch the PS2 version.

>>7891343
>>7891346
jokes on you, i've never owned a ps2 :^)

kek you guys comon, im not even trolling, how butthurt /vr/ is, ok now seriously, no troll, i owned the ps2
heres why i think its shitty
>image quality bad
>no analogue triggers
>no keyboard and mouse
>no vga
>ps1 emulator succs
>dvd player is the worst i have ever seen
>2 ports
>wer de fuc are my 60fps
>every single ps2 I've owned broke, and i did take care of my ps2s before i realized how shity they were
>overall gamecube xbox pc even dreamcast is better

>>7891352
...

>>7891374
>PS1 emulator
I’m 99% certain the PS2 had the PS1 chipset built into it. I don’t think it was emulation.

>>7891374
almost everything you've said is factually incorrect and you should die in a hole, alone

>>7891385
well whatever it was, ps2 sucked at playing ps1 games. like yeah you can play ps1 games but when you start playing 10 min you start to see how bad it is

>>7891252
PCSX2 ain't all the way there yet. It's fine for many games, but it's still not even as good as Dolphin.

>>7891386
>seething.txt

>>7891394
That’s not even remotely true.

>>7891181
Imagine sucking this much cock. Consider suicide, OP.

>>7891406
>owned ps2
>played the ps1 all my life
I think i can say that

>>7891406
unless you guys are emufags, but you can't be that retarded, right?....right?

>>7891414
What games specifically didn’t run as well on PS2?

>>7891419
you cant be this retarded

>>7891401
>retarded faggot who says factually wrong things.png

>>7891394
something must be wrong with your PS2. its literally the best way to play ps1. improved textures and disc speed. And 99.999999999% comparability. I think there was like 1 game or something that wasn't because of a programming trick the developer used.

>>7891419
it was the samething for everygame, the ps2 just isn't a ps1 thats it, how else do i need to tell you that

>>7891374
>>image quality bad
Component + CRT is ok
>>no analogue triggers
What for
>>no keyboard and mouse
It's a console retard
>>no vga
Fair point
>>ps1 emulator succs
It has native support, use mechapwn or a modchip if you don't want to buy original games.
>>dvd player is the worst i have ever seen
It plays DVDs, what were you expecting?
>>2 ports
Fair point. The ports also are too close to each other and to the MCs on the slim.
>>wer de fuc are my 60fps
Only console to caare about 60 fps at that point was the DC.
>>every single ps2 I've owned broke, and i did take care of my ps2s before i realized how shity they were
Not gonna lie, never happened to me.
>>overall gamecube xbox pc even dreamcast is better
Even listing PC...PC isn't a platform to be compared to consoles.

>>7891437
It literally was. You’re misremembering from 20 years ago.

>>7891437
literally no answer. he's trolling because he needs to go dilate.

>>7891431
cope emufag, ive said true things, maybe not for the keyboard ill admit, im sure some faggot is gona show me an obscure ps2 keyboard

>>7891446
>bad image, sound, doesnt play the same
how the hell do you want me to tell you something you have to see and feel irl

>>7891442
MGS2 was a major release that mostly ran at a stable 60.

>>7891340
Neither is 480i and disc loading times

>>7891348
>>7891398
I actually own original hardware for all four 6th gen consoles. Can't lie, I rarely play them though. Xbox and Gamecube not been touched in years.

>>7891456
you will never be a real woman

>>7891436
ur sure ur playing the ps2 and not the emulator

>>7891462
100% sure, you boot it without a game and on the settings screen you can change the disc drive speed and enable texture smoothing. it also had all the PS1 hardware in it for backwards compatibility, there was no emulation.

>>7891462
Yes, absolutely. The PS2 literally had the PS1’s chipset built into it. Same way the Wii played GameCube games. It was in no way emulation of any kind. You’re misremembering.

>>7891442
>Component + CRT is ok
i meant the res of the console
>its a console you retard
dc had keyboard and mouse
>dvd
you can find better dvd players thats what im saying
>pc
i said pc bc of the faggots who always say heu but pc is beter than consol

>>7891461
>seething.txt
you can always join the 41%

>>7891468
i already now about that, but ive never seen a difference

>>7891442
Most of the buttons on a ps2 controller are actually analog to be fair.

>>7891469
but i do remember ps1 games playing bad on ps2, or else i would have never said that

>>7891494
Technically it’s literally impossible for 99.9% of PS1 games to play worse on the PS2. I don’t believe you.

>>7891492
they technically are especially the l and r, but its a big "technically"

>>7891497
well thats how i remember, and when i say i remember, i dont mean like it was 10 years ago

>>7891503
Well so far you’ve provided zero examples so I’m not going to take your word, sorry.

anyways i gotta go to sleep, i just wanted to say i dont like the ps2 because I've been collecting consoles and I've found better ones and i hate when normies say "ItZ Duh BeSt ConSol EvA"

>>7891508
the retard is not arguing in good faith if you didnt realize. anyway, back to talking about the best console ever.

what's your favorite game? Timesplitters and Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance are obvious picks for me.

>>7891508
>>7891456
ok, also i think the res of the ps2 is lower than the ps1 and i could just say that the ps2 is different than the ps1 so i have at least one point. its like you saying, emulators are identical to real hardware

>>7891348
PS2 actually has the best version of most multiplats outside a few games it shares with Xbox. the only notoriously downgraded port I can think of is RE4 which was, again, a port.

>>7891498
Yeah, the only thing they seem to do is make using full afterburners on AC games hard without going ham on the controller, and making MGS games more annoying to emulate. Racing games are the only genre that could benefit from them a bit and I'd still rather use the sticks.

>>7891523
you can run but you can't hide.
also, is that how you debate? running away like a faggot?

>>7891340
>PC = poor fag.

Uh. What kind of PS2s are you buying that are more expensive than a PC that can run PS2?

>>7891523
Had a lot of fun with this back in the day and I’m actually replaying it currently via game pass.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SrEFWv8aSQ8

>>7891534
tried to get into this one a few times but DA/champions always seemed more fun to me. maybe i should kick back a few brews and give it another chance, the humor is probably the main draw from what i played. also check out gauntlet dark legacy if you like these kind of games.

>>7891527
ps2 res<xbox res
ok

>>7891541
Never did try that one. I think the last Gauntlet game I had was Legends.

>>7891531
>emufag mad bc he cant buy every game so he has to play on hes pc which cant recreate the ps2 perfectly
i know the ps2 is cheap bc its complete piece of junk, but try buying the neogeo or turbograph, than we talk

anyways im out, ps2fags are sad, goodnight
(and im not trolling, not my problem if some faggot got oofended)

>>7891551
DL is basically legends but with twice as many worlds, classes etc. definitely recommended.

The older I get, the more I realize there's no reason to own any console except a PSP.

seriously though... it plays all the ps1 games and the psp games and it has tv output... what more do you need if you're a sony kid?

>>7891181
PS2......and a Dreamcast. Emus for the rest.

The older I get, the more I realize there's no reason to own any console except a wii.

>>7891252
Cope

What exclusive games does the PS2 have that aren't jrpgs?

>>7891181
It's called dementia. Very uncommon for a tween like you but obviously does happen.

>>7891259
>but if you want something to shove under the TV and kick back to, this is as good as it gets.
Also easily done with a PC.

>>7892148
Come on man, the Wii is a piece of shit. Literally the only reasons to own one are RE4 Wii Edition and having an easy way to emulate SNES games and output to a CRT. The actual experience of using one is total garbage nd its own library is mediocre at best. Why the fuck would you want to keep a waggle machine around instead of PS2 which shares many of the same games but has an actual good controller, easy interface, native multimedia capabilities and a library of 4000+ games?

>>7892625
Enjoy your 4000+ games sir. I'll enjoy my bing bing wahoos

>>7892647
not a good argument but at least you're honest.

surely ps2 will deliver

>>7891181
ill take a wii and a crt with a ton of emus thank you very much

>>7892656
>can't even emulate Advance Wars 2 without graphical issues
lol

>>7891409
Cope, faggot.

>>7892458
What is it with PC fags constantly trying to be part of the conversation? It's pathetic.
>Yeah man, I like NES.
"YOU SHOULD EMULATE, SCANLINES AND FILTERS FOR DAYS"
>Haha, check out this PS2 game.
"YEAH I RUN A PRETTY GOOD PS2 UPSCALER ON MY TURBO GX-88 BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT"
>Here's a list of my favorite Saturn games!
"YEAH SATURN EMULATION HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN PRETTY ROUGH BUT IT'S GOTTEN REALLY GOOD LATELY, ALTHOUGH CONSOOMERS SAY OTHERWISE"

>>7892670
Poorfaggotry and ignorance play a huge part. I'll be the first one to tell you how awesome the PC is, but anyone who thinks you can plug your Win10 into an HD TV and get an experience as pure, simple and stress-free as a decent console is retarded.

>>7891181
Is a PS2 and Wii the most kino combination?

>>7891181
Replace that with the N64

>>7892740
N64 is my runner-up actually but the library is just too limited to put it at #1. What it does have is golden, but the sheer depth of PS2 makes it an endless treasure trove of new things to discover.

>>7892703
OG Xbox and Wii

>>7892767
This. If you don’t have friends around regularly for local multiplayer the N64 loses a lot of appeal. There are good single player games but it leans too heavily on platformers. Ogre Battle is great though.

>>7892769
OG Xbox is an iffy choice. you're getting a few decent 6th gen multiplats but the library is about 1/4 the size of the PS2 and the hardware is complete fucking trash. the Wii is going to suit emulation needs much better anyway, so unless you really want to play Halo CE and watered down PC ports, I cant imagine why youd want an Xbox.

Own all 6th gen consoles and a PSP for on the go. Emulate everything else /vr/ on computer or PSP.

>>7892778
>PSP
literally 0 good exclusive games and handhelds are for skinnyfats.

>>7892782
I’ve never owned a PSP but I love my Vita for PS1 games. They look so much better on the sharp, small screen.

its the set up I got. I don't have a ps2. I should get a ps2 desu. I got a wii but mostly use it for gamecube. but still have a actual gamecube though.

I do have the wii hacked but only for a few WiiWare ports and nintendont. I mostly use a Rasberry pi 4 for emulation. Sometimes it fucks up PS1 games. Like the colors will be all weird and it has to be reset or something
But i mostly just end up playing TG16 Shmups like 90 percent of the time i turn it on

>>7891252
>>7891259
I have a softmodded PS2 and a Saturn with an ODE. Everything else I emulate.

I find this to be the perfect solution since I have native hardware for the two consoles that have the most trouble with emulation (as well as two of the best /vr/ controllers ever), but I also have access to god knows how many games that are easily emulatable.

If there is a better retro setup than this, I haven't found it yet.

>>7892792
>modding consoles + emulating
completely soulless but from a utilitarian perspective you arent wrong.

>>7891527
Playing with CRT with in-game fog add more charm than any VR or HD release will ever have

>>7891385
The PS2 has a PS1 CPU built in, yes. When you're playing a PS1 game, the CPU is used in a PS1 sandbox mode, and when running PS2 games, the PS1's CPU is used to i/o with the rear expansion port (which is why there will never be native PS1 game loading from a hard drive, only emulation).

>>7891492
The d-pad, L1/L2/R1/R2, and face buttons are analog, but hardly any games used this functionality outside of racing games as far as I remember. MGS2 and especially MGS3 used the analog functionality though.

>>7892776
>>7892790
Forgot the You

>>7892797
I have plenty of fond memories of using physical discs (and hearing the barely discernable background sound of an optical drive), but the significantly decreased loadtimes on PS2 games, as well as the significant monetary savings on the Saturn make it well worth it.

The reason why I was ok with spending over $200 on a MODE was because it would pay for itself after just a few games. Buying physical /vr/ games is suffering after the prices have gone from overinflated to full retard over the past decade.

>>7892810
no hate anon, an Xbox and a Wii is still a killer combo if it's what you have access to. a PS2 would open an entire fucking world to you though, if not only for being able to properly play PS1 games.

>>7891181
No, because NES, SNES, N64 are worth owning

But ya ps2 is a good one, 360 was ok too and that's about where it stops

>>7892816
I'm not sure what causes it on the color weirdness on the pi 4 but so far its only happened with one game. Blade. Really far into the game.

Idk if you ever played it but like 3/4ths through the game in one of the bigger more "colorful" enviroments it goes like a weird wiremesh color or something. lmao

If you haven't played blade. Check it out. The camera is kinda shitty and uses targeted aiming but its got a decent atmosphere and a good soundtrack with multiple paths and shit

You fight vampires and zombies. Like that guy in the pit from the first blade movie. Dogs and cops and shit. Came really late to the PS1 like christmas 2000

>>7892845
There is no reason to own any of those consoles if you have a PC or any of the scores of other devices that can emulate them.

Especially now that work from home covid basedboys have jacked the cost of physical games through the roof.

>>7891629
>no reason to own any console except a PSP
dumb question: is there any difference in the (tv) output of ps2 or psp and the ps1?

output looks the same in photos online but I don't actually have all 3

>>7891181
Hardware BC PS3 with new caps (also the solid CPU/GPU VRM ones) and reballing, SSD and best heatsink/fan, extra cooling holes, liquid metal on die and a wireless DS4 or DualSense (either via CFW or hardware adapter).

>>7891348
>>7891398
Get a VGA CRT, PCSX2 works almost perfectly with every game in software rendering mode and on a VGA CRT at native res/frequency it looks better than PS2.

>>7892845
>NES and SNES worth owning
Lol not in the slightest. If you already own them sure. But nobody should be buying a NES if they actually want to play its games (collectorfags need not apply)

>>7891243
the laser is yes fragile but i think that the only weakness that a PS2 have

>>7892625
>being too young to appreciate wii
wew lad

A ps3 with backwards compatibility is the true holy grail.

>>7892782
>literally 0 good exclusive games
I will name one because i love it,jeanne d'arc.great tactical rpg.

>>7893618
Crisis Core is another one that’s still locked to the PSP. You can’t buy it digitally on the Vita store AFAIK.

>>7892685
Unless you're retarded, setting up a NUC or any all-in-one PC with Win10 on your TV is extremely easy.

>>7892778

Truly based. I need to fix my psp. Screen has some bad spots and my stick finally went out but I emulated so much shit on it and the native PS1 support was so nice and crispy. I actually have physical hardware for /vr/ games but I would often still just prefer my psp

>>7893359
this

>>7892685
Console is plug in and play.
If you want to use a PC the same way, you first have to spend hours setting it up, I use my MCPC behind my living room TV with just a controller, all my emulators and PC games are accessible with a single interface, no keyboard mouse required. But that took ages to set up properly, but I'd say the experience is worth the time.

All this one or the other is divisive. Personally, I emulate and own and enjoy physical consoles. Both can be wonderful. It's truly a matter of preference. Why limit yourself?
>Lets shit on this guy for his preference

>>7893308
I literally have a modded Wii sitting next to me right now. It isn't as good as you pretend it is, sorry.

>>7893698
Unless you're retarded, you'd realize that configuring your PC to function and play like a console takes much more hassle than plugging a box into a TV.

>>7893848
This can be true is certain instances.

>>7891527
Xboxfags need some meme to cope with the fact they have no games

>>7893873
Based Xbox filtering plebs like you since 01.

>>7893882
Imagine having a childhood without a PS2 because your parents gave you a box

>>7893884
kek

>>7893884
I had both. Some games are better on PS2, some are better on the OG Xbox.

>>7891252
I get to die knowing that I was a good person who never broke any laws. You don't.

>>7893884
PS2 was jank. Most commonly found in the homes of parents that smoked heavily.

>>7893884
Lel.

>>7893907
Had both as well, same experience.

>>7893914
Emulation is not against the law, never was. What are you smoking?
There's no laws being broken using your own copies with emulators, I emulate almost everything but I also enjoy physical mediums.

>>7893916
>PS2 was jank
yeah the console with access to 8000 fucking games is "jank" but not the middleware PC shoved into a console case that slowly kills itself with capacitor acid and was replaced by the 360 4 years into its lifespan.

>>7893914
good goy

>>7891243
>free online features
Elaborate?

i have one of these sitting around with freemcboot on it but i never used it once, what are the best games

>>7891243
>>7893295
With a Fat PS2 you can just rip everything to the internal HDD, I had a 500GB in mine with all my games.
With the Slim you can do that too, but the USB 1.1 interface can be a bottleneck at times.

>>7894065
I guess they mean that modern game browsers still exist that you can use when hooking up your PS2 to your local network and then piping it thru into a virtual network shared with other people playing those games (or friends).
You can do the same with the original Xbox and Dreamcast these days too.

>>7894072
my personal picks:

timesplitters 1, 2 and future perfect
gauntlet dark legacy
baldurs gate dark alliance
goblin commander unleash the horde
king's field IV
maximo 1

>>7894080
>>>7894065#
I guess they mean that modern game browsers still exist that you can use when hooking up your PS2 to your local network
Pretty much, yeah. You can use XLink Kai to play most games online but if I recall there are a few games with functioning online servers that are now fan-hosted after being taken down. I seem to remember something about Tribes still being playable.

>>7894080
>>7894094
check out this website

www.onlineconsoles.com

very, very infrequently updated and some of the forums havent been poated on in years but it has lists of GCN, DC and PS2 games that are still playable online and what the extent of their online features allow. very cool little site.

The older I get, the more I realize there's no reason to own any console except a Xbox Series S with developer mode.

>>7894116
>Dirty hack emulators without even proper hardware acceleration on a console is great
>A PC doing the same thing is not
this thread in a nutshell

>>7891181
>>7891243
unfortunately the PS2 had the inferior version of almost every multiplatform game. Even Dreamcast ports looked better than PS2 counterparts, especially with VGA output. It's hard to play a game like Timesplitters 2/3 on PS2 when you could be playing a far superior version on Xbox using a controller that isn't made for tiny hands.

>>7894172
Dreamcast spanking PS2 with DOA2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T4yokJUbs

PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, Saturn, and N64 are the only consoles objectively worth owning. Everything else has perfect emulation.

The older I get, the more I realize there's no reason to own any game system except for handhelds

>>7894175
>here's a random multiplat to prove DC ia more powerful than PS2! PS2 BTFO!
please end your life with marmoset poison

>>7891181
THere are no good games for the PS2

>>7894175
whats that game

>>7894245
Timesplitters Future Perfect. Recommend playing on PS2 since all 3 games are only available on PS2 and the GCN version has no network capabilities.

>>7894172
Yet there's games where the opposite is true, like San Andreas, while yes, plenty of games, like Black for example, ran far better on Xbox.
Also PS2 was capable of outputting 31kHz VGA too, neither which was that popular back in the day on either console (yes, adapters existed even then though, even official ones).

>I'll mention hand size just to shitpost on 4chan
Ok.

>>7894224
Never said DC was "more powerful" you dumbfuck. However, multiple games looked better on DC than on PS2 and the best looking DC games (especially when output to a CRT through VGA) looked at least comparable to anything on PS2.

>>7894263
>PS2 was capable of outputting 31kHz VGA
>adapters existed
Intradesting. Any of these adapters still around? I still have a couple VGA CRT monitors.

> I'll mention hand size just to shitpost on 4chan
When I first got a PS1 at 11ish years old, the controller was fine. Happy now? After decades of growing and doing manly shit with my hands, PS1/2/3 controllers simply do not fit my hand well. It's just what it is. Strangely, the original PS1 controller without analog sticks actually feels better in my hands than the dual shock version.

>>7894256
>Recommend playing on PS2 since all 3 games are only available on PS2
It's true that TS1 is only on PS2. But, the Xbox versions of TS2 and TS3 are objectively superior, especially if you want to make use of the map editor, which you should because it's fucking awesome. If you have both consoles, there really is no reason to play the PS2 versions of those two games unless you prefer the PS2 controller.

>>7891252
In my old age I've found emulation hasn't really gotten better since I was a teenager, and I have money now so I'll just get the best solution that works and use the real hardware. Emulation is still as setup intensive as it always was and benefits people who have more time than money or sense.

>>7894430
>Intradesting. Any of these adapters still around? I still have a couple VGA CRT monitors.
I'd recommend just making your own by getting the connectors, pinouts online exist for everything. Cheaper and don't have to worry about coming across a reproduction cable that god knows is wired how or what bad quality.
I also recommend using GMS (a homebrew program) with a modded PS2, since it gives you a lot of control over the VGA output, like internal scaling, etc that lets you tweak it more.

>>7893923
Why would you deliberately miss the point when you know exactly what I'm talking about, you stupid cunt?

>>7894481
How did I miss the point if you're pretending emulation is unlawful, when it's not?

>>7892807
>when running PS2 games, the PS1's CPU is used to i/o with the rear expansion port (which is why there will never be native PS1 game loading from a hard drive, only emulation).
Interesting

>>7891181
Literal golden age of gaming that will never be matches

>>7893848
but you only have to do it once. it doesn't really matter that it takes slightly longer

>>7894484
Anyone who says shit like "emulation is illegal and bad" isn't getting lost in the weeds like you are with the terminology.
They're saying they want to buy games legally and play them on official hardware, because that is the ethical thing to do.
Obviously. No one gives a fuck about your fucking mental gymnastics or your armchair lawyering. It doesn't matter.

>>7894495
Pirating games is bad, of course, but that's unrelated to emulation directly, plenty of people pirate on actual hardware. The reverse is not true though, playing original media on emulators is not bad. No mental gymnastics needed.

>>7894503
>original media on emulators
I’m not current on that sort of thing but that easily has to be way less than 1% of what people use emulators for.

>>7894515
Probably, maybe not anymore with all those emulation consoles being able to use physical media or have built in games, but still a big portion.
But it doesn't excuse people for being dumb and saying "emulation is illegal" instead of "piracy is illegal".

>>7894503
>Pirating games is bad, of course, but that's unrelated to emulation directly
And nobody cares, which is my point. People are going to use terms like "emulation" and "piracy" interchangeably no matter what, because they're stupid. I do it all the time myself, because nobody gives a fuck, and everyone knows what I mean except for pedants like you who think you're honestly going to change anyone's mind by saying "actually it's not stealing, it's LARCENY! Let me explain the intricate differences for you!"

WHO CARES, IT'S STILL A SHITTY TO DO, ASSHOLE

>>7894520
That's projection and you know it. Different terms exist for a reason and you by your own argument, are just stupid too if you don't care.
Specially true these days when official products from big name companies like Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony use emulation on their own devices more than ever, yet being entirely unrelated to piracy.

>>7894520
>WHO CARES, IT'S STILL A SHITTY TO DO, ASSHOLE
Fuck yeah, thank you for agreeing that Sony enabling backwards compatibility in software via emulation on their newer consoles would be a shitty thing to do, fuck Xbox for doing it.

>>7894542
Obviously, it's different when it's official.

>>7894541
>That's projection and you know it. Different terms exist for a reason and you by your own argument, are just stupid too if you don't care.
The reason I don't care is because FUCKING NOBODY uses emulators for anything but piracy.
They don't fucking exist. That's why emulation has become synonymous with piracy, and that's why it doesn't matter.

>official products
Official products obviously don't count, dipshit.

>>7894465
Yuh dunno what ur talkin bout. It took 5 minutes to download openemu, set up a controller, and play snes jarpigs.

>>7894520
Not the million dollar companyrinos!!! Ohh nooo they'll lose moneyyy

>>7894563
ok i dont care enough to look up any of that so i'll stick with what i have instead

>>7891243
The main problem with the PS2 is that it's not an NES

>>7894560
>The reason I don't care is because FUCKING NOBODY uses emulators for anything but piracy.
Projecting.

>>7894617
It's a fact.

>>7894212
>perfect emulation.
Doesn't exist in software

>>7894623
>it's a fact
>tfw playing several platforms with emulation but never pirated a game in my life (console game that is, pirated plenty of computer games back in the day)
you have some strong evidence and facts

>>7894627
The thing about emulation is, even with software emulation, you can have better than original hardware, even in terms of latency.
We are capable of emulating the NES and SNES with lower latency than the original console, while having 101% compatibility, even supporting games that had problems between different console revisions.

F/OSS software and years of work have given amazing results. Anything is possible with computers and software if given enough resources and time to work on it.

>>7894101
>www.onlineconsoles.com

The forums are deader than Elvis, but has a ton of good info for online multiplayer as well as an excellent archive of PS2/DC/GC related threads going back to when they were still commercially available. Also, the admin is a bro.

I made an account there in early 2004 oh god oh fuck where did the time go

>>7894453
You arent wrong for the most part, as the Xbox versions have the best visuals and the mapmaker supports full 10 players as well as superior auto turret functions, but having all three games on the same platform is ideal for me personally, and TS1 is fantastic. Also on note of the controller, since the Xbox only has two shoulder buttons, Future Perfect feels a bit wonky to play as there is no perfect control setup and you'll end up using the b/w buttons or something similarly undesirable to throw grenades. Any version is gonna be good though, it's fucking Timesplitters.

>>7894613
FCEUMM + GoodNES 3.16 Fullset (filtered for NTSC) it has not full compatibility but it's something.

>>7894650
>early 2004 oh god oh fuck where did the time go
I know this feel

My setup is - mechapwn PS2 mostly loading games via SMB, burning discs where it's necessary or the superior option. Softmod wii for any Nintendo stuff I might want to play occasionally, mostly it gets used as a neogeo emulator though. Both hooked up to my FV310 via component. Simple as. I wouldn't mind an OG Xbox just to complete the picture desu but I just haven't had the motivation and they're a little more work to mod

>>7894175
Hate to be that guy but DoA2 is low-hanging fruit. The first version of the game to hit the PS2 was rushed, buggy, and graphically not up to par. They rereleased the game with superior graphics and extra characters/stages/features as DoA2: Hardcore.
I don't see any videos online comparing the two and I never played either PS2 version so I'm not the authority on what was best. Just relaying what I already know.
That being said: Dreamcast's VGA output > any PS2 output

>>7891181
Based.

>>7895104
This. Dreamcast fans always bring up Grandia II and DOA2 but both were rushed, crappy ports. The aging Dreamcast hardware wasn’t magically going to be able to compete with the best of what the PS2 had to offer from like 2002 onward. Sega would’ve been forced to release some sort of mid-gen upgrade if they’d stuck around.

>>7893843
So why don't you use it and learn a bit about it? Forgot to steal the psu?

>>7894647
>even with software emulation, you can have better than original hardware, even in terms of latency.
Nope

>>7894647
>The thing about emulation is, cope
Yes. It's a major problem.

>>7895837
You actually don't know about it?

>modern 4000Mhz CPUs can't emulate a 3.5Mhz system faster than the 3.5Mhz system runs at

>>7896136
>Mhz
Aw! You're such a cute little baby.

>>7896276
>ad hominem with no argument
didn't expect more

>>7895837
>>7896276
Not anon, but it's been a thing for a few years now.

https://www.libretro.com/index.php/retroarch-1-7-2%E2%80%8A-%E2%80%8Aachieving-better-latency-than-original-hardware-through-new-runahead-method/

>>7896295
Don't bother. Those people don't actually want to discuss or learn, they have their own set believes and stick to them and disguise it behind shitposting.

>>7896292
>u must argue with mhz baby
no
>>7896295
>it's been a thing for the my many few 12 years now
>cope

Super cringe, babies

>>7891252
>tfw no qt Mega folder full of PS2 games

Where can I find a like new or new PS2 controller thats not a chinese knockoff? I tried my old PS2 a while back and found out my controller didn't work

>>7896295
Nope
>>7896297
Runahead doesn't work the way you think it does, and neither does your shitty latency-laden emulator setup

>>7896136
>modern 4000Mhz CPUs can't emulate a 3.5Mhz system faster than the 3.5Mhz system runs at
Correct, because they're CPUs on a board designed to run an operating system that lets you tweet about your hormone replacement therapy

>>7898608
>noo this doesn't count
Run ahead isn't emulating the original console faster, but that's not the point.
The point is that a PC setup with emulation is capable of having lower latencies between you pressing the button and the sprite jumping on the screen compared to original hardware.

>>7898616
It's called scheduling and low latency peripherals, these days you don't even have to use a real CRT with your PC (I still do though) to get the results.
Do you even /g/ bro?

If you have any arguments, post links, proof, anything please, don't just shitpost anon.

>>7899150
>Run ahead isn't emulating the original console faster, but that's not the point.
Let me rephrase that more clearly.

It doesn't emulate the hardware in software faster, it's capable of delivering the emulation of games with sub-original latencies.
People obviously just use it to fine tune the latencies to 1:1 original console, since that's what they are used to.

>>7898616
>tranny dick obsession has replaced nigger dick obsession
American teens are fucked up.

>>7899150
>Do you even /g/ bro?
Just embarrassing

>>7899275
Embarrassing is shitposting about a topic you have no idea about for (You)'s

>>7899150
>a PC setup with emulation is capable of having lower latencies
Nope, sorry

>>7891181
well i can think of one reason everyone should own a ps2

>>7899284
>If you have any arguments, post links, proof, anything please, don't just shitpost anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qys9sdzJKI

>>7899296
See
>>7896297

>>7899302
I know, I'm just posting for fun. I don't actually care what they think or if they just shitpost.

>>7891181
I have literally never owned a ps2 before or played a game from its library. What am I missing?

>>7899441
The best GitS game

i have the complete set-up with remote and even portable screen. ps2 didn't play no games.i wish they stil did.

it breaks my heart

>>7898545
You can still find sealed OEM ones on ebay. I'm debating getting one.

>>7899542
Im just really afraid I will buy a convincing knockoff

>>7898545
Get one of those adapters that lets you use a DS3 wirelessly with a PS2. It's a wireless dongle that plugs into the PS2 controller port.

>>7892663
> one game doesn't work
welp shows over guys aw fuck guess i'll have to play one of the tens of thousands that work flawlessly.

Seethe more console faggots :)

>>7899283
And yet you keep doing it

>>7899296
Fake

>>7899913
>>7900012
refer to:
>>7899296
now post proof of opposite or go bugger off smoothbrain

>>7899610
it doesn't play them flawlessly. at all.

>>7891181

Waa the last consolr without stupid patches and dlc.... Great times.

any anons know what this stuff is and how to clean it? just got the system from ebay

>>7900016
>refer to cope
>calls others smoothbrain

>>7900483
it's just long dried up tape glue, they probably had the wires tapped to the back of it or something for storage purposes or something.

If you ever need to clean glue like that a 5 dollar bottle of goo-gone is the best option. That shit stinks though and isn't a great substance to have soaking into electronics so make sure you also wipe off any residue after you use it with a damp cloth.

>>7891181
Based take. the only game that i cannot really play on ps2 is gh3 all the rest ps2 got me covered. i have it hocked to a 4:3 hd crt and it looks very good, i use a mix of gsm and original component cables to make it look amazing.

>>7892807
Later units lack the ability to natively play piss1 games, and emulate. stick with any phat and you’ll be fine though. This is just with slims later on

The Matrix, Blade Runner, the list goes on...

>>7891181
I hate you more then anyone could hate you for that opinion, but you'll feel the same way with who eventually says the same thing about the PS5 eventually.

Since this is basically the PS2 thread, are there any differences or disadvantages to using FHDB over FMCB? I'm looking into hacking my fat model and it just sounds like the better option if you have an internal HDD, I didn't really look into it much yet though. Everyone only ever talks about FMCB.

>>7901458
There only real disadvantage is if you're using a shitty HDD (as the developers originally intended) , storing everything there, and not back up. That 15 year old IDE drive is going to die any day now.

>>7901671
do people actually bother trying to get an IDE drive? I was under the impression everyone and their mother just gets the SATA board upgrade for their network adapter (at least I'm doing it).

>>7901458
It takes a little longer to boot up. That's it really.

>>7891181
commodore 64???

>>7901458
No real difference, FHDB is just more contained.

>>7901671
Who uses HDDs anymore? Either original network adapter with 3.5" to 2.5" SATA adapter or SATA reproduction, both with SSDs.

>>7902109
If you use a SSD, it doesn't even take longer to boot up. Most time FHDB needs over FMCB is the HDD spinning up.

>>7900587
Not anon but I don't get this meme
He posted a video already, how is it cope?

>>7900483
>>7900630
WD40 might do the trick just as well and make the plastic also shine, plus it's not harmful for electronics and residue of it evaporates off
WD40 and electronic contact cleaners are like wonder sprays, everything from cleaning rust and... contacts, to taking off stickers and goo.

>>7895104
The re-release is still trash because of te low texture resolution.

>the older I get
Well when you become older than 18, maybe one day you'll realize the true MVP is Super Famicom.

>>7900773
He'll forget about it because he has the memory of a fruit fly.

the success of the platform did a disservice to the console

superior versions of nearly every single ps2 game exist elsewhere

>>7903406
Really no, for every gen 6 multiplat with an ass PS2 version there's another PS2 exclusive that was actually made for and took advantage of the console, many of which are still the better versions of those games to play even after getting ported, unless you really want to deal with broken graphics and gameplay bugs sometimes even removed content just to get HD resolution.

>>7902148
Oh

Summoner 2, Maia's tattoo in the context of her PS2 image reads:
UNPROCEED INTO INEVITABILITY.

>>7891181
>ps2
is there any way you can tell if the hdd fuse is fucked on these without actually opening it up? i want to buy a ps2 to soft mod and play games off a hdd but am worried that when i get it i'll find out that the fuse is blown and i've wasted my money

Worth keeping a ps2 if you want to play the original Dot Hack games since they never got ports.

>>7904995
is this a common issue or something? Never heard of it til now and I've had a few PS2s up and running with HDD

>>7905046
apparently if you take out a hdd or put one in while it's in standby the fuse will (or at least there's a good chance it will) pop and your hdd won't be recognized. i recently bought a ps2 but it's not recognising the hdd i put in and it seems like the fuse might be the issue (most likely someone did what i was doing and poped the fuse before i bought it) the problem is that you can't really tell if it's popped without either opening it up or putting your own adapter on which you can't do in most stores (or if you buy online) i could resolder a new fuse but that seems like a giant pain in the ass and knowing me i'd fuck something else up

>>7905059
>i could resolder a new fuse but that seems like a giant pain in the ass and knowing me i'd fuck something else up
Honestly desoldering a fuse and installing a resettable fuse in its place is one of the easiest soldering projects you can do. It's honestly a little more difficult tearing down the PS2 itself if you've never done it before, some finnicky ribbon cables in this thing. If it's soldering skill you're unsure of then just practice on junk electronics.
I'm sure if you buy one and the fuse is blown you could very likely take it back to where you bought it from, most businesses are willing to keep their customers happy when it comes to this kind of thing.
Most PS2s haven't had HDDs installed at any point anyway so you're very likely in the clear if it still has the expansion bay cover and doesn't come with an adapter or HDD already installed. Getting one with a blown fuse genuinely seems like exceptionally bad luck. It's more likely that the HDD you have just isn't compatible, definitely try another or another network adapter.

>>7905069
>try another network adapter
i thought it might be the adapter too but i opened it up the the multimeter was showing a voltage on both the adapter itself and the sata mod chip travelling between the two so don't think it's the adapter itself
>hdd isn't compatible
i got a hdd that was listed on this list here
https://ps2drives.x-pec.com/?p=list
and it said it was fine. basically from my understanding there's three smd fuse's that apparently power up the hdd but only two of them are being picked up on the multimeter. (the third one only picks up on one side)
>getting a blown fuse seems like bad luck
eh well murphy's law and what not. i probably have to buy one anyway since on of the drive ribbons snapped when i was pulling it apart. if i'm wrong on anything feel free to correct me though, still kinda getting used to it

>>7904995
Easy to replace.

>i could resolder a new fuse but that seems like a giant pain in the ass and knowing me i'd fuck something else up
I don't want to bash on people but honestly, if you care about actual /vr/ hardware, basic soldering skills are highly approved, unless you want to pay for all fixing or spend extra time trying to find hardware that won't fail soon or paying more for hardware that could be much cheaper if you just fixed it yourself, like the fuse problem here.

>>7905083
was it a previously used HDD? Can you connect it to PC just fine?

>>7905089
nah a new one, it connects to the pc fine and i could use winhiip etc all good. (it did act funny once but that was due to the sata cable i was using, swapped it out and there was no issues) so yeah, it connects to everything no problem except for the ps2. i've tried formatting it, leaving the disk unallocated and then having winhipp format it etc and nothing seems to work. kinda out of ideas at this point

>>7905086
yeah i know, the opportunities to solder stuff don't come around often so i've never really gotten a chance to practice. if nothing else works i might give this a try

>>7905102
Drag some scrap home and just try working on it.
Replace parts on the board, desoldering, soldering, try soldering wires, etc. Just take random stuff and all your tools, put them on the table and go ham giving yourself random objectives, like "I'll replace this SMD cap or resistor with this one" or "I'll extract this transistor and solder wires to all it's legs".

Also watch videos about it, since that's the best way to learn technique to adopt yourself.
Plus having decent tools help, nothing expensive, but a 100 bucks to get a decent setup is a must. Good iron, maybe even a station, bonus if with a hot air gun, good flux, I'd recommend one paste and one liquid for different things (like one for soldering wires and other for SMD), sharp ended tweezers, desoldering braid, a vacuum pump desoldering pen (people don't like them because they don't know how to use them, it takes some practice to get good with those but if you don't desolder enough, dedicated desoldering gun isn't really worth the hassle) and some solder, even when using flux, can still be with a flux core for times you don't or generally just easier handling.

Probably went way into detail but maybe you do get some inspiration or tips from the post. Good luck.

>>7905117
nah i appreciate it. what you mentioned is really helpful, thanks

stupid question but how difficult would it be to turn a silver ps2 into a black one? (assuming i already had a black parts ps2)

>>7894175
this is akin to showing sotn saturn port and saying saturn couldnt do good 2d.

>>7905136
Getting the guts out in one piece wasn't that hard, so I'd say just a screwdriver and half a hour in the afternoon.
Watch a teardown video on YouTube first just so you know the workflow.

>>7905159
i'm guessing the hardest part would be the disk drive that pops out and getting the black/silver bit off

>>7905173
I haven't' done it in ages but I remember it could just be pulled upwards or downwards and it would slide off, after you pulled it a little because there was some plastic clips keeping it from sliding off itself.

>>7905095
Have you formatted using uLaunchELF?

>>7905206
nah i just used the noobie pack and formatted the drive with winhiip because i didn't have a freemcboot card (the plan was to install it to the hdd then make a freemcboot hdd but that didn't work) i still think it might be the fuse because it the fuse itself didn't give a reading on the multimeter so i dunno. i assume it would still be the same since the hdd should pick up normally for standard ps2 stuff right?

thoughts on vertically oriented PS2s?

>>7905286
some people like them but i'm used to laying mine down (that and i also tend to knock shit over accidently) so horizontal is usually how i have it. vertical looks good until you knock it over 20 times and either damage the console or anything around it

>>7891527
Splinter Cell on PS2 are a big downgrade, although my child brain didn't notice anything if you only had access to the PS2 version

>>7894430
>Any of these adapters still around?
They were included with PS2 Linux and have varying results when used with anything other than PS2 Linux as it doesn't support interlaced video modes.

>>7905241
I don't think the HDD will boot until prompted by software

>>7905421
It will, I boot my PS2 that way.

>>7905416
Hence why GSM exists. Also games that already support progressive modes work out the box.

>>7891181
I love the PS2 and it's impossibly huge and varied library. But, uh, what's with the graphics? Smeary, blurry visuals approaching N64 territory. GameCube and Xbox did not have this problem.

>>7906557
Good bait.

>>7891181
Man I remember when I was young and PlayStation 2 was my only console and I only played DreamWorks and Disney games on it and didn't have that many games for it, such good times. I got more consoles and more games and felt kinda shitty about it.

>>7891181
The older I get, the more I realize that the generation that started with the PS2 is the worst generation and they should all be gassed.

>>7906998
Based Nincel.

>>7893758
>>7892685
>>7893848
>I'm a dumb faggot boomer who can't use a PC
I've had a computer in my hands before I could shit in the toilet. PC is plug and play, you're just a dinosaur.

>>7896292
>saying what type of argument he used
That's not an argument either. kek

>>7893907
what games are better on ps2? all i can think of is nfs:hot pursuit 2

>>7891181
PS2 coupled with the GC is the ideal gaming experience.

>>7907505
But anon already posted several arguments with actual proof before saying that. Kek.

>>7908103
Snes coupled with Genesis is the ideal gaming experience.

>>7891181
thanks for sharing this moronic thought
i really had not yet read enough stupid shit today until i saw this

>>7891181
>console that I had when I was 10 is the best

that's the problem with getting older, you gotta hear every new generation go through the same cringy revelations.

>>7891181
Not retro.