/vr/ - Retro Games

where is the funny OP images

>>7849352
I'm not the usual OP :(

>>7849352
AMOGUS

What's your favourite fantasy track anons?

>>7849668
You know, there's so many I like I can't really choose a particular one.

>>7849352
>>7849597
>DSFARGUS.jpgus

I don't know if this is retro enough or if this should go in /doom/, but anyone play Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart? It's a really impressive Doom mod of a Sonic fangame platformer. I've been addicted as hell with it playing time trials and some of the online.

>>7849945
PICK ONE
>>7850019
It's a racing game, regardless of engine, I'd keep it here. I've been meaning to try it for a while, is it good other than for the novelty of a kart game in the doom engine? How's the character roster?

>>7849276
wipeout is cool.
>>7849668
if we are talking about gran turismo only then honestly it would be either trial mountain, deep forest and el capitan

Does anyone play that PC portable Sega Rally Championship version with a wheel? I have a G29 which there is is a profile setup for in JoyToKey by default, but it feels like shit.

>>7850474
I think you're better off emulating the arcade, doubt the PC port supports force feedback
>>7850149
>trial mountain and deep forest
Good man

>>7850143
>PICK ONE
I can't, that's the problem.

>>7849668
This post led me to discover that Morenci Mine is a real place.

>>7849668
Is that GRAN touismo 2

>>7850767
>ywn offroad in a open mine
Why live

>>7850143
>is it good other than for the novelty of a kart game in the doom engine?
I hate making comparisons, but when it comes to originality of kart racing games it all points back to Super Mario Kart. That said it's SMK with 3D-planes and slopes, but it's not for casual gameplay. The past week I've played in online lobbies I've been getting my ass handed to me. The drifting is weird in this as you need to get drifting spark-boosts to maintain your speed (MKDD and DS was like this too); said sparks only work on three levels and there's no in-between calculation that's dependent on how long you drift. If you slip up wrong and mistime a spark, you can lose your place really quick. The time trials ghosts range from easy as a tutorial to demanding near-perfection on the more difficult tracks like Toxic Castle or Volcanic Valley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahvsMbAV8Is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcirZIrLN4
>How's the character roster?
It has Sonic characters, so I know that's an immediate turn-off for people. But since it's DOOM, If there's a WAD for it, you can race as anyone. Pic related

Hey garage buds. What games could I race as a 4th gen Honda accord (88-91) (ideally 4door sedan) and/or 88-91 toyota supra. I've looked at gran tourism 1-2-psp, Tokyo xtreme racer 1-2, initial-d, racing lagoon. Found a few that were kinda close. Any suggestions are appreciated!

any games with driving that is on the sim side but without all the managing autism of gt?

>>7851230
Curious choice. That accord gen is not in many games, it should appear in GT4 and PSP but it's the coupe version.
It's also in the first Getaway but I don't remember if it is the sedan or the coupe.
The Supra is a lot more common, it appears in every Gran Turismo and TXR game, including 3 and Drift 2. I know for sure you can start GT2 with a '90 Supra by buying it in the used lot.
Racing lagoon doesn't have either cars iirc
Not many other retro games have them.
>>7851207
Sounds good just by virtue of being a solid kart racer with an active multiplayer playerbase desu, time trials can only get so much fun. Really made me curious to try it.
I don't mind the Sonic characters, especially if it has mod support.
The first time I saw webeums of it I thought it was the kart equivalent of those Smash mods that add goku to the roster kek.

>>7851243
Do you want some type of racing in particular?
(street cars only, on circuit, rallying etc.)
R:Racing Evo is sim-ish, maybe a bit too lightly so, and the Story mode is setup in a similiar way to Ace Combat.
Toca series, the ps2 ones have the "management" end at selecting the cars iirc, been a while since I last played.
Otherwise just go straight for an actual sim anon. Most of them have 0 frills and just driving

>>7849276
Wipeout 3 probably has my favorite soundtrack of any game ever. Alongside Ace Combat 3, it was the zenith of this sort of 90s TDR futurism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg2YtRDdiIo

>>7851805
Top tier taste.

>>7851285
Thanks for the info. I thought that gt psp had a 2dr and yea getaway does have a 4dr but not the kinda game I was looking for. I ask cuz I own both cars. Supra turbo and the accord is pretty modified but still a wip. Would be fun to play as them in some games. I thought I remembered my supra in txr, but wasn't sure as those games use fake car names. Thanks for verifying. Are you familiar with any of the others in that series? Like the Wangans, etc. Pretty long list if you go to series timeline https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Xtreme_Racer.. I've played some of the latest wangan arcades but it's been a while.

>>7849668
Teens was Trial Mountain
Twenties was Midfield
Thirties was Tahiti Maze and Tokyo 246

>>7852050
Yeah, figured so, great cars anon, I'm jelly.
Never played the Wangan games so I can't help you with thsose, I did play most of the TXR ones tho.
They all use the real names for the cars, except TXR zero and 2, but they are identical to the real thing excluding the names. With the cars not being licensed the game let's you do more weird shit with the bodykits for most of the cars.
3 and all 3 drift games all have the Mk3 Supra, 3 even let's you swap engines in if that's your cup of tea, however it has no Hondas.
Pick one that interests you the most and give them a shot, I shill them here every time I get the chance, they are great games. Either go for TXR Zero for the most extreme modding and hondas on the highway, TXR3 for more polished "classic" TXR, TXRD2 if you want touges or one of the 2 earlier drift games if you want to drive some euro cars on the mountain passes.
also TXR3 has a pretty annoying bug at a certain point in the game, there are ways around it tho
>>7852087
The older I get the more I apprecciate a good city circuit. Getting apexes right on 90 degree turns feels great.
>>7851805
Great taste anon. I like the rougher feel of the WO1 ost, but the one in 3 completes the game perfectly.
Try listening to the PSX Armored Cores soundtracks. Same feel as Ace Combat 3, but rougher around the edges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaYKbji8JBI

Any good /vroom/ games for the GBA?
played GT Advance a few days ago and I liked it

racing games just aren't for me, specially wipeout
what else do you recommend because honestly I'm not that impressed by going around a track over and over to cut 1second off my ''time''

>>7852534
Choro Q advance, F-Zero, Racing Gears advance, Lego Drome Racers if you have the need for some janky flat shaded 3d.
Not a great platform for racing sadly
>>7852563
Nobody is forcing you to play them anon.
If you don't enjoy the driving in the game you're not gonna enjoy time trials. Try some Ridge Racers, R:Racing evo, Racing Lagoon, or TXR3/Z. They're all racers that have a great atmosphere and in Ridge Racer's case, really enjoyable racing.

>>7852652
>If you don't enjoy the driving in the game you're not gonna enjoy time trials. Try some Ridge Racers, R:Racing evo, Racing Lagoon, or TXR3/Z. They're all racers that have a great atmosphere and in Ridge Racer's case, really enjoyable racing.
I like outrun 2006 because it has different challenges and you get a nice chick to impress.

>>7850019
>>7851207
It's an impressive fangame for what it is, more boggling that this is Doom Legacy it's running on. Taking a glance at the code and lua, it's not surprising that a kart game was able to come out of a platformer. It seems to be a true labor of love with how much attention to detail they put into this thing, even having programmed a sense of momentum into driving.

>Have DT770's
>go through the effort to equalise them
>play some classic /vroom/ games
>realise they sound just as good as games 15+ years newer
I'm not sure if that is a sign the classic games had really fucking good sound design or that more recent titles are really lazy - only real exception that spring to mind is wreckfest as its sound design for metal crunching and glass shattering is really, really good (which it should be given how they recorded it). Still thogh games designed to run in software on barely-above-potato parts from goddamn 1996 should not be rivalling the latest and greatest of today. The techno thread on /vr/ is a real highlight of this with numerous racing examples posted.

>>7852534
the other gt advance games, DUH, but seriously including the other entries from >>7852652
you also have v-rally 3 and i guess some of the gba nfs games are alright

>>7853053
It plays better than I ever expected it to. Love how fast it feels, the sliding need to git gud tho
>>7853417
I'd say they had to make do with less, plus the prevalence of sound cards. Doom still has one of the most satisfying shotguns ever put to vidya despite the audio being really crunched up. What are some good ones? I really enjoyed the OST in Racing Lagoon even with my chinky 15 bucks headphones.

>>7852534
Moto Racer Advance. Both one of the best racing games and one of the best 3D games on the GBA.

>>7851285
>tfw no Snell pit waifu

>>7853860
>What are some good ones?
The most obvious answer is NFS II and III (high stakes and porsche have a different vibe), re-volt and destruction derby 1 (DD2 was actually slammed for its thrash OST at the time because techno was the popular thing). Once licensed music gets included wipeout and rollcage are arguably the titans of the time period.

>decide not to buy road rash because they want 12 good boy points
>buy a "new" ps2 controller that turns out to be broken for 15
Did you have any luck with vrooming today bros?

>>7853887
kek never noticed it.
>>7853890
Most of the music in Psygnosis games was in Redbook audio, makes sense.
Doesn't Re-Volt feel a bit empty with good earphones? The soundscape+OST is pretty good but I've always found a bit off-putting to hear all that commotion in maps like Toys in the Hood with no one around.

>>7854089
Try asking friends if they have one laying around you're willing to pay for, if possible. Works a lot better and a lot of people have PS2 stuff laying around they couldn't care less about, anon

>>7852331
Thanks man. Sounds like txr 2 and zero are the way to go. I looked up all the games in that series from that list too, including all the Wangans and initial d's, txr definitely seems like the best series. Here's a pic of my latest project if you're interested.

>>7854095
>Doesn't Re-Volt feel a bit empty with good earphones?
Not to me but I am using DT770's which are bass cannons and re-volts ambient sounds are at a pitch the 770's are not known for being strong at. It just comes off as a slightly more subdued sound than what micro machines V3 has.

>>7854868
Wish more 80s JP cars got sold in my cunt. I've seen more old Ferraris than EF civics.
Looks rad man, love the teal. You can do similiar builds in most of the TXR games so they should be right up your alley, just keep in mind that TXR 2 and TXR Drift 2 are 2 different games altogether.

>beat league
>get rewarded with fruit
Gee, thanks.

>>7855790
wut

>>7855790
The game is post-apoc, to be fair

>>7855814
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>7855818
plus it is batshit insane.

>>7855852
Beat up E tier banana/10.

>>7849276
What's /vroom/ opinion on Vanishing Point? Is it worth playing?

>>7849276
>series fanboy forums are completely out of their minds and slurp whatever vomit they're fed making this site look like the most sane people

>>7851243
Gran Turismo 1-3 arcade mode
Gran Turismo Concept 2002 Tokyo-Geneva

I like ridge racer and f-zero x
those are damn fun
most other racers just aren't good

>>7857535
What?

>>7856954
ive played it extensively and have a couple wr times in it to but its a frustrating game thats kind of compelling to, be prepared to throw the controller at the retard AI and dont be afraid to tune the vehicles after you unlock it, the dev intention was a lot around this

>>7851243
battle gear series.

>>7856954
Yes.

>>7857985
Not that anon but I think >>7857535 is just salty about wipeoutzone for some reason.

>>7858176
>wipeoutzone
Is it even active anymore?
>>7857535
It's like that for everything now anyway. You can't discuss Formula 1 decently outside of here.
People seem to just enjoy the cum guzzling, God forbid you actually want stuff to be good again

>>7857535
wat gaem anon

I keep forgetting how ridiculous the chrome effect in high stakes is.

What is the best gran turismo game and why is it motor toon grand prix 2?

>>7858351
>that font
Christ, is the relationship with GT that felt?
Looks pretty good tho.
>>7858263
Chrome in 90s games with low poly cars is one of the worst looking combos ever. Could you edit the reflection .jpg into something more subdued if you wanted? You could in Re-Volt

>>7858263
as the cool kids say SOVL

>>7858351
For fuck sake. So I posted that image and decided fuck it, I will go play the championship at expert (the highest) difficulty from scratch because it will unlock everything from the lower tiers if I beat it. Now here is the fun part - I have owned the game from around its launch here in bongland and never, ever beat it on expert. Now I did it using exactly 1 retry in about 20 minutes without using any emulation hax/save states/whatever beyond just running it at higher resolution. I feel sort of betrayed by myself why I couldn't have done it best part of 20 years ago when I beat much harder racing gamers at the time.

>>7858375
>Christ, is the relationship with GT that felt?
The last unlock - Motor Toon R - is straight up a physics demo for gran turismo. R as in, realistic.

>>7858484
The lighter physics look fun as fuck, wish GT went for something similiar. The F1 car makes me wonder if they had something F1 related in mind too.
Wonder how they managed to get something that handles that convincingly on a PSX.
>>7858445
Always feels a bit underwhelming to go back and steamroll something you couldn't beat 20 years ago

>>7858176
>slurp whatever vomit they're fed
>Wipeout
lmao what is Wipeout even getting?

>>7858824
>what is Wipeout even getting?
A legitimate 4k 60FPS + VR port of HD/Fury/2048 for the PS4, backed by constant copycats that try and fail to recreate its glory almost a decade after its death.

>>7859404
That was years ago, there is nothing on the horizon for Wipeout.

>>7859448
There's no good games on the horizon in general.

>>7859530
But anon, Forza horizon 5 was just shown off! Don't you want to unlock cool new dance moves for your drivatar and get epic spins of the reward wheel!?

>>7859567
EEEEEAAAAAUGH

>>7859606
>paul walker.webm

God I fucking hate Forza Horizon

>>7859645
Hence why you are here and not /v/ but the reality is anon - FH is the future of AAA racan. Unless Namco does the absolutely fucking insane thing of reviving ridge racer (like the DF pondered - maybe a namco museum release for ridge racer) horizon IS all there is to modern racing unless you go full autism or play the million terrible micro machine clones.

>>7859657
>FH is the future of AAA racan
Not like I'm a certified oldfag but only now I got the clear picture on why modern arcade/simcade racean sucks.
1. Multiplayer is the main/the only focus hence neither atmosphere nor personality are anywhere near the top of priority list.
2. The best content goes into paid DLC/getting locked behind 7 paywalls and unlocks

>>7859657
I know anon, I don't mind. I have enough retro racing vidya to last me a life time.
Just feels sad to see everything slowly becoming shittier.
Really wouldn't mind a new WO/RR/Armored Core tho
>>7859861
Older racing games were made by people who liked the subject matter at least a bit. A lot of games we discuss here came from Japan, during a period of economic prosperity, where most devs where at least a bit interested in cars, or by UK lads who grew up with motorsport.
Horizon and the likes on the other hand feel like they were made by checking boxes on a list, by people that couldn't give less of a shit about racing.
The cars now are just a way of displaying yourself to others, thank to social media culture, safetybabbies or whatever else you want to blame for it. Racing became second to showing the car itself off.

>>7859890
>A lot of games we discuss here came from Japan, during a period of economic prosperity, where most devs where at least a bit interested in cars, or by UK lads who grew up with motorsport.
Horizon and the likes on the other hand feel like they were made by checking boxes on a list, by people that couldn't give less of a shit about racing.
Well Americas got some nice track records so to speak with all the cool car porn titles from EA or pure arcade debauchery from Midway, Angel/R* San Diego and Criterion.
>Horizon and the likes on the other hand feel like they were made by checking boxes on a list
To be fair the very first Horizon was a pretty nice "old era" game.

>>7860010
You're right on both accounts, just had TXR and Wipeout fresh on the mind and I forgot the americans. I had fun with FH1, that's more than I can say of 4.

>>7860010
>that cheeky runabout in the back

Which are the most relaxing games?

>>7860405
Test Drive unlimited

>>7860405
Zone mode in the nu-Wipeout games. Fusion is the only technically /vr/ game with it though. I wish the PS1 games had Zone, but BallisticNG makes up for that a bit.

>>7860921
Pulse got a ps2 release.

>>7859645
I gotta admit FH is not the worst possible option, looks like they even added some FlatOut-esque stuff in the latest game. I don't hate it, it's not really its developers's fault that there aren't many racing games on the market.

>>7860010
>Well Americas got some nice track records so to speak with all the cool car porn titles from EA or pure arcade debauchery from Midway, Angel/R* San Diego and Criterion.
both the original 2 Test Drive games and the classic nfs games(at least the ps1 versions and the pc version of porsche 2000) were made by Distinctive Software/EA Canada and Criterion is british.

>>7860938
it was shoddy port

>>7861135
yes, i remember something about bugged saving lmfao, a lot of psp to ps2 ports were kinda fucky but not as bad as this haha

>>7861221
shit framerate and in 2player mode it dropped to unplayable levels like 15 fps, piss poor.

>>7861098
That says more about the current racing games scene than it does about horizon desu.

I know I lost .5 of a second on this run, bumping a wall, but other than that it's about as good as I think I can get.
Apparently there are tuned/special versions of the cars in this game, like the Initial D 86 is unlocked by beating Mt Akina in B class or something, which I've done. How do I get to select it?

>>7861803
>How do I get to select it?
on the company select screen you hold start as you select toyota or mazda afaik

Great time btw mate but you can ALWAYS go faster, when i hit 3.27 i felt the same but a week of trying regardless and it just got faster.

If you want to attack another course mate let me know cus i havent played them much and would love an excuse to dig in.

what's the best 1000 miglia game?

Getting Battle Gear 2 on the PS2 lads.
>>7863203
It's a criminally underrated time period for racing. I would kill for either a decent 1000 miglia or a Targa Florio game

>>7861803
which initial d game is this?

>>7864461
Battle Gear 2 anon.

>>7864465
There is much to learn. TY, anon.

>>7864520
if youre in pal territories its called Tokyo road race and can be had for mad cheap

>>7863203
I could have sworn there was a PS2 version of this

>>7865317
You probably thinking of World Racing

>>7865334
Gives me another excuse to post this image because world racing 2 is a 5/10 game if I ever played one.

>>7850143
It's very unforgiving but I've been playing it here and there, it's satisfying as hell to play, but prepared to lose A LOT. The slightest fuck up in a race means you'll have a hard time catching back up.

I think in my hundreds of races I've maybe won once or twice. That could say something about my shitty skills, but some people are gods on this game.

Shit load of custom tracks and even more custom characters, with enough patience you can make your own since it's the doom engine.

Most servers have packs that you download when you connect and you can play as any of those.

Honestly it's a genuine 9/10 for me, it feels like the original F- Zero or SMK games.

>>7862498
3:25, but that's it. I'm relying way too much on my ghost.
I'll have to go through and unlock more of the courses, I know Akagi is in there but it's daytime which is kind of lame.
>>7864429
>getting battle gear 2 for ps2
Noice.

>>7865334
i liked how in the demo of this you could crash yourself out of the track and explore, you could drive under the lake if you managed to make it there

Any easily emulatable or accessible Initial D games besides the PSP one? It was pretty fun.

>>7866124
The PSX one lad.

>>7866124
you can use demul to play the arcade stage 1-3 fairly easily, and teknoparrot allows you to play some newer ones like 6/7/8, haven't checked but 4/5 are apparently shit on it, but they're fucking awful anyway, also there are only english versions up to 5, but it's not so hard to figure out the later ones

What's the meta car for BG2? Can I get away with using some of the heavier cars or is it just AE86s all day, everyday?
>>7865503
I really enjoyed what little I played of it, seems extremely "pure" fun, like the games you mentioned. I definitely need more time to git gud at it tho.

Well, since the question is more or less related, is there any way to emulate an arcade verison of Rush 2049/2049SE with playable framerate?
Last time I checked shit was borderline choppy and the sound quality was pure earrape.

I can see why you lads like BG2 so much. Getting slowly closer to under 3:30 with the MR-S

>spend hours on the first rain race in Initial D Street Stage with the AE86
>try out the Sileighty
>get an 80m advantage and beat it on my first try
Wew. What are some of the best cars in this game in general besides Bunta's car?

Do you think the GTA series counts as VROOM?

>>7869584
I think the driving is really well done for what they are and anyone posting cool screenshots here is always good

>>7870376
> posting cool screenshots
I'll steal it! NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW!

>>7869584
>>7871056
I loved taking the Sultan to Wheel Arch Angels, customising it to look like the Impreza WRC and then inventing rally stages to race it.

>>7871123
Baste, I usually got a red sultan kitted out like a discount Impreza. I've been replaying it recently and I was surprised how little you can use personal cars tho.

>>7849352
>dsfargeg
Jezus Christ Im old

>>7871431
fgsfds

>>7863203
Arcade. "1000 Miglia: Great 1000 Miles Rally", by Kaneko (1994)

Bump with some criminally underrated vroom

>>7873851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9uC3JWSLQU

interesting

I want a new podracing game; I've exhausted the original.

I don’t get the appeal of sim racers, they just feel like work. Not retro but I tried assetto corsa and it was not fun whatsoever. Gran Turismo is lighter on the sim stuff and the car collecting is a lot of fun

>>7873851
Fug that looks pretty interadastign
>>7874316
Depends a lot on what I'm trying to do in them for me. I love taking hotlapping casually and just driving around in them. I absolutely despise competing against sim autists

When people think Destruction Derby they think ps1 but the N64 version is so much better its not even funny

>>7874331
It is not.

>>7874331
>Destruction Derby 64
"no"

>>7874440
It is.
>>7874509
Yes.

>>7874514
How is it "so much better"?

>>7874316

>>7874316
Remember that Grand Prix Legends is that one game that brought snobbery attitude called "had is real" that is associated with sim racing.

>>7874817
*"hard is real", I typo'd.

>>7850019

This looks to be a very nicely made game, but kart games are such cancer. It's like, one slow ass Mario Kart game is all anybody needs, it's a fucking party game. Somehow people need one with every single fucking mascot, they all play the exact same, and these are the same people that complain that we have to many sims nowadays.

>>7874331
>shit framerate
>shit soundtrack
>floaty physics
>boring tracks
>shit soundtrack
>shit damage model
>shit announcer
No brainlet, DD64 is the worst DD game in the series by a huge margin.

>>7874964
This is far from slow and it feels closer to something born from high level F-zero autism than it does SMK. It's bretty fun

I've only played F-Zero once around a cousins house in the early 90's when I was too young to know what the fuck I was doing. The scary part of that isn't that I was young, is that now i'm truly into oldfag (and am an actual oldfag on the 4chan timeline) territory and my experiences with a lot of games considered /vroom/ is still "in the before time" to quote mad max 3 for a lot of anons. For all that said I am a staunch believer racan didn't truly get good until 3D.

>>7874817
I swear even jackie stewart in an interview played it and said "it's way too hard, it wasn't like that"

>>7867571
>or is it just AE86s all day, everyday?
due to initial d AE86 has become its own category alongside the others, if you want to see a bonkers time with an A class car check ..

https://youtu.be/UJVpphxeRHs

such a diff level of control and tech skill with the A class cars desu.

>>7877116
Christ sake, the negcon doesn't look comfortable to use. I noticed he shifts down one gear more than he should just to brake earlier, I guess it helps mitigate the A class cars being heavy cunts. I'm enjoying the poopra RN but I get about the same times I get with the MR-S, the guy in the video is insanely good.
>>7875771
Fave /vroom/ memory, anon?

>>7877156
>Fave /vroom/ memory, anon?
Easy. It was a hot, humid summer day in july and being like 10 at the time my mother had purchased NFS3 for me for some reason or another (doesn't matter) as I had been hyped as shit for the game. I got home from school, chucked the disc in my PS1 while sweating my balls off in the heat and booted it up. After learning how the menu worked I picked the ferrari 355 (in red of course), atlantica, night time and weather on to see these new, mind blowing effects the back of the case promised. I sat there for a few hours in the heat being mentally cooled by the roaring thunderstorm in the game sucking me and truly immersing me in the experience of the game.

Never before had a racing game seemed so real and so much like the actual bedroom poster I had on my wall - which was a countach at the time iirc.

>>7877156
negcons the peak controller for racing games, all wrs are done on them for every game that supports it. Then again my 3.24 with trueno is a great time only a second off the neg times and i used the stock analog.

yeah brake use is often a part of things like in daytona where theres a trick of switching from 4th to 2nd which lets u slide with no speed loss. The A cars turn much heavier and obv the higher speed adds to that, you need to brake and plan a lot more imo.

>>7877174
I had tried the engine braking downshifts, since I knew a lot of older arcade games had similiar techs, but I didn't get around to use it well. Right now I'm at 3:30 with the MR-S. Really fun game to play in short burst tho, the way the cars handle is so much fun.
I've seen a lot of people use the negcon for the PSX RRs and Wipeout, but never got around to properly use one. Doesn't seem like too great of an advantage over standard control schemes to be honest desu.
>>7877173
>F354 and Countach
Baste
Living mid '90s racean as a kid sounds extremely comfy, especially with the rise of 3D

>>7877194
>Doesn't seem like too great of an advantage over standard control schemes to be honest desu.

its a massive advantage especially in wipeout, you can hold lines perfectly, can control nose independantly etc same for standard racing better in all regards.

>>7877289
It objectively has a bigger degree of precision after all. Shame there's no modern interpretation of it, I can't find one for less than 80 bucks on eBay.
I've always used d-pad on WO, but I mostly played non-retro zone mode and you always end up maxing your inputs there past a certain point.
Are there some still active Wipeout leaderboards for the old WOs?

>>7877458
>Shame there's no modern interpretation of it
Eh the uniqueness of the negcon is because of when it was released, not the inherent uniqueness of the controller itself. Analog sticks being a standard basically invalidated the reason for the negcon existing but for that period when 3D was new and exciting but controllers were still laid out for 2D games made the negcon stand out

This game is so bizarre I feel compelled to continue playing it.

>>7877489
I find it unique in the way it fills a gap between a full-on steering wheel and analog sticks, which makes it great for people who play non-sim racers and want a bit more control out of them.
The only modern equivalents I can think of are those stupid looking analog sticks extensions or motion controls
>>7877728
Do it anon. It's not the greatest game ever racing wise but it's really really soulful, and it has a ton of cars you would not find everywhere else. Give the other games in the series a shot if you end up liking it.

I liking driving games but not just racing exhibitions/multiplayer.

Any good racing games with a campaign/single player mode of sorts? (until the 6th generation of course considering this is /vr/ and all)

>>7877787
Almost every /vr/ racing game classic has great single player stuff.
If you're in for the driving itself but not the racing, Tokyo Extreme Racer games could be up your alley. You have various stretches of highway in Tokyo (and other regions in 3) and you cruise through them, defeating rivals in short "races".
Or you could try Road trip adventure, the game the anon 2 posts up posted is an "adventure" driving game with this nifty world to drive around in in superdeformed cars with some racing on the side.

>>7877768
>stupid looking analog sticks extensions
I've never really understood the point them them outside of turbo manlet hands.

>>7877458
yeah wipeoutzone, like you i play dpad also and got withing seconds of wr manortop times with it but the precision to reach that extra level just isnt there, modern wipeouts are wank, xl, 3 and even 64 are peak imo, best oST is 1 for me

>>7877489
why the fuck do people like you insist on having no idea what the fuck you are on about and still babble? the negcon is STILL the gold standard today for many racing games not because of any other reason that it being the best by miles in performance it wasnt invalidated by anything,most of the best players still use them.

>>7878114
>the negcon is STILL the gold standard today for many racing games that don't support analog but do support the negcon
fix'd

Dear Polyphony Digital,

this is not how long wheelbase 2+2 cars work.

>>7878107
Oh. I'm just retarded and didn't figure out you needed to press submit to update the leaderboards. Christ
>>7878168
>>7878173
All they had to do was shorten the model a bit, probably not even rework the textures lmao

What is the most Lidl racing game you have ever played?

>>7878283
corvette racing on the PS2. Imagine porsche unleashed but everything good about it isn't there.

>>7878283
This fucker

>>7878283
Street Racing Syndicate

>>7878275
Well, it's a little more complicated than that, the 300ZX 2+2 has a little extra length between the doors and rear wheels and longer rear quarter windows. Literally just stretching the entire model by few percent (had to take screenshots because I couldn't even see the difference between the two otherwise) is just a dirt cheap move though and totally below Polyphony's usual attention to detail.

>>7878168
>>7878173
>>7878275
>>7878375
You guys forget GT2 was rushed and pretty unfinished compared to most other polyphony titles.

>>7878395
I know and being littered with little mistakes is all fine and forgiven and a little adorable actually (Foumula Silhouette on Autumn Link bros represent), but from my memory this is the first time I'm encountering a -deliberate- shortcut.

>>7878375
I wasn't suggesting that, it would look awful, especially with the wheel arches getting widened with the rest of the model. I was thinking more of something along the lines of taking the rear of the model and tweaking it a bit until, scaling it a bit and moving it accordingly.
It would be easy with modern 3D tools, but I never worked with the stuff PD used so it probably was a bit more complex than that.
I'd say them recycling the model is a pretty cheap move too to be fair

>>7878395
It's just for the sake of discussing here with /vroom/ bros to be fair, I didn't even know the real 300zx was a bit shorter in the 2+0 configuration before this.

>>7878168
>>7878173
Also what makes the 300ZX thing all the weirder is that the stock versions of both cars actually have different textures, the 2 seater is a coupe and the 2+2 is a T-top with glass roof sections, so clearly they went to some extent to set the cars apart, but not to such an extent where they would actually use the correct models. I'm still unsure whether they modeled a 2 seater and stretched it for the 2+2 or whether they modeled a 2+2 and squished it into a 2 seater because they were at least clever enough to leave away the fuel door entirely which would be on opposite sides of the left rear wheel arch between the two versions.

>>7878446
Seems like they used a similiar approach for most cars which had two different versions. Both of the New car lot Supras use the same model, but the SZ-R has a piece of bumper connecting the two sides of the front air intake, while in the RZ the intake is clear, and they all use the same 3D model for the race car conversion

>>7878375
I didn't even notice the difference until I reread the posts. Cheap

>>7878283
This was especially bad.

oh fug
Looks like a stretched 2+0.

>>7874316
Sims racers suck not because it's difficult but because 5+ different companies are all flushing down millions and millions of dollars to reach the exact same end goal (muh laser scanned burger ring) and shit out the same product, but with very slight different interpretations (clean racing regulations, ranking systems).

>>7878275
>90s Polyphony in charge of optimizing UV map space

>>7878283
I had Tokyo Road Race (battle gear 2) for years and thought it was total garbage until recently.
>says toyko road race on the spine
>cover art is cheap as
>didn't comprehend that locked tracks could just not appear instead of having LOCKED written over the top and didn't know how to unlock anything so I thought there were only like 4 tracks
Anyway pic related is pretty rough.

>>7874316
did you play it with a wheel?

>>7878572
One thing that always bothered me with Grooverider is that the back of the PAL cover has the cars in some beta liveries. Of course with the game being budget PS2 jank nobody cares to even document it

>>7878580
Destruction Derby Arenas' box art does the same thing, and included an Upgrades screen that wasn't included in the finished game itself.

>>7878283
Driven on the PS2 is very Lidl

As someone who was a Saturn owner for the entire generation, is it worth going back to GT1 and 2 as a fairly casual racing fan?
I remember it being touted as a 'sim' game, but it also doesn't seem painfully difficult like modern sim racers, and has some cool 90's cars and tuning aspects etc.

What's the best retro one to check out for single player content?

Also, anyone else a big fan of Speed Devils/Demons? I loved the creative tracks and the little side-objectives like breaking speed cameras, not to mention getting car upgrades that were visually reflected in the cars was so much fun.

>>7878603
>>7878283
What about this one?

>>7878587
oh fuck this unimplemented upgrade menu drove me nuts when i was a kid.

Wasn't the upgrade menu avaliable in the US version or some shit ?

>>7878283
this except it was rather decent, theres also that fucking rpm tuning game on ps2 that isnt half bad and also LA Street Racing which actually is probably the best ive mentioned

>>7878572
If you werent a retard and payed attention in the stages you'd of noticed battlke gear 2 is still on all the flags.

>>7879797
> anyone else a big fan of Speed Devils/Demons?
It was the game that made me want to get a dreamcast (sadly never did). There is a PC version but it isn't as good.

In b4 autism over stretched image because I hadn't bothered to tweak it yet.

>>7879812
If that's the best testimonial you've got why even bother putting one on your cover? Fucking Ford

>>7859448
wipeout is kind of a rare gem these days

>>7879876
>Wasn't the upgrade menu avaliable in the US version or some shit ?
I don't think it was available anywhere. If you look at the in game screenshots you can clearly tell the box art is from an earlier build than the finished product.

>>7880338
>>7879876
I also remember one of those Demo DVDs that came with gaming magazines having a preview of DDA showing the upgrade menu in action.
Was a bit perplexed when I finally got around to play it last year.

>>7880396
It's a weird game because it's alright in general, but it's not really a DD series game. Too clean.

>>7879797
The vehicle skins are absolutely bananas.

>>7880298
>but it isn't as good.
How so?

>>7880648
Less content, the graphics aren't as good and the handling is a bit more twitchy which you don't need.

https://youtu.be/_I20DlHJdQk

>>7879812
I give Ford Racing 2 and 3 a pass because I grew up on them. I also unironically think they feel good to drive. There's a lot of old games that should be avoided completely, but those two aren't too bad, I'd say they're worth whatever small change they sell for now.

>>7849668

>>7880935
Still laughed when one of the drivers in Ford Racing was called R. Cranium.

Richard Cranium = Dick Head

>>7880971
I never played the game back in the day and clearly I need to play it now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8PqsBlvGg

>>7880659
dreamcast also has an actual story and more diverse objectives for races.

Weird question but are there any retro /vroom/s with the emphasis on mid-late 90s UK tuner scene?

>>7880974
lmao

>>7881306
not that I can recall; the closest thing would be choosing a 106 or corsa in NFSU2

>that picture
fucking hell the max power project 2000 escort project, I haven't seen that for years

sure I remember reading it had been left to rot but I could be entirely wrong on that

>>7881306
No but your image reminds me that max power racing exists and I wish it didn't.

>>7881363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57xvzfgD4A

wow

>>7881379
It is so much worse to play than that footage makes it seem. Game is an abomination.

>>7881379
I don't know whether it's me being so warm and having a slight headache, but that camera movement is giving me actual motion sickness.

>>7881379
is there a racing game god games hasn't played?

>>7881414
well shit, I wasn't expecting him to have played what I posted in >>7878494, albeit a retitled and misleading wii port

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_hTYkFFpw

I bought this as a teen not knowing it was the fast and furious arcade game and thought it was a new cruis'n game

>>7878283
Probably pic related.
>>7880031
I had this one too growing up. Remember never progressing past the first few races because I didn't know how to shift.

>>7881530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM-vH4dCLh8

>that video

>>7878395
They did that with the 300ZXs in GT1 too, so it's not new either.

>decided to play pic related after gt5
>A.I corners perfecly
>no racing lines so I have to build my own
>tyres tenderness matters more than modern-er racing games
>E.C.U is dogshit
At least I can farm prize cars

>>7881898
It's a breeze once you realize tires and weight reduction are not accounted for anywhere. Using race tires on non race cars is basically easy mode. In endurance races just go for the softest compound possible and just blast through every time. You'll make up more time than you lose pitting.
>>7881379
>all those bone stock shitboxes racing through what looks like some african savannah
Feels cursed

>>7880303
IIRC correctly it was a budget priced game, so 8/10 'Great Game' probably is enough to tip someone over the edge buying it on a whim or for a gift or something is my thinking.

>>7880589
So true, I loved the car designs and bizarre paint-jobs.

>>7880589
>>7881958
how's the physics? always want to play more racers on my dreamcast

Man this game is still fun

>>7882450
this is the usa version of toca 3 right? how much did they change?
also the cheats in toca 1 are amazing, you can turn rain into frogs and drive a tank

>>7882561
no Toca World Touring Cars,
From what I recall everything is there just Justin and Labonte naming on it and Ned Jarrett commentary pre and post race, and in-race license music added.

>>7882378
Honestly it's been years since I played it. It was arcadey, but felt very good from memory.

Also wanted to revisit my question from here
>>7879797
>As someone who was a Saturn owner for the entire generation, is it worth going back to GT1 and 2 as a fairly casual racing fan?
>I remember it being touted as a 'sim' game, but it also doesn't seem painfully difficult like modern sim racers, and has some cool 90's cars and tuning aspects etc.

Observe, the next racing game to show up around the thread's corner is going to be a good one:

>>7882656
GT1 is worth a look, GT2 is great. Honestly recommend checking out GT1 just to see the basework of GT2

>>7882685
That would be cool, might check 1 out for a bit and give 2 a bigger look. Is the single player mode a lot of fun even for a more casual racer fan? I like the idea of buying and doing up 90's Japanese cars.

>>7882621
i forgot it didn't have a 3 and was just world touring cars, rinsed the first two tocas on the psx as a kid but somehow missed the third psx one, i guess people think race driver 3 when they see toca 3. race driver 3 is fucking excellent though, sad that grid and dirt are pale imitations of their predecessors, but i have a soft spot for the first grid and dirt games before the whole 'you're a youtube superstar!' shit kicked in

>>7882698
yeah, the tournaments and races have a lot of variety so you'll be jumping to different cars. there is some decent customization aspects as well.

>>7882378
Somewhat light. I would describe it as a middle point between demolition racer and need for speed most wanted. You don't fight the car to turn but a vague notion of a racing line is required.

>>7878283
What does Lidl mean?

>>7883543
I think Lidl is a discount store in Europe, kind of like Walmart or a grocery store.

>>7883549
Lidl is much higher quality than walmart even if lidl styles itself as discount.

>60fps is all you ever need they said
>120/144fps is a meme they said
>24fps is fine they said
I snub thee for retardation. Also the pic is tiny but using AMD's built in integer scaling is great.

>>7880589
>>7883267
can't believe i didn't try this game before, not a huge fan of the soul/soulless meme but goddamn does this game have soul
>opponents are named with personalities and cartoon portraits
>lots of shortcuts
>blue skies, great lighting
>soulful shit happening during races (pic related)
i've only played for half an hour so i'm sure there's more but i'm already hooked

>>7884631
lol forgot the fucking pic
i wonder if there's a definitive list of games that have shit like this going on, all i can think of off the top of my head is daytona 2

>>7884631
>pic related
good pictcha
makes me vroom

>>7883549
lidls and aldi who are own by brothers are german originating grocery stores that offer amazing quality food for mega cheap.

>>7871123
>>7871371
Sultan is the most based car, dunno why but it was always the comfiest to drive and everyone on San Andreas MP preferred it

>>7884785
In that case a few people haven't understood the question properly.

>>7884631
>>7884643
I'm so glad you're loving it. I need to hook this up and play again soon!
I loved the little set pieces in the tracks, the T-Rex, the gliders, the planes. All so nice.

I also really enjoyed the music. Mexico in particular I really liked;
https://youtu.be/i5H_ofCcYMY

Also it feels like seeing visual changes when upgrading the car was new for the time? I just remember thinking it was so cool you could add superchargers to the engine etc and see them after you did it.

>>7884821
AWD, fast, special tuning options, 4 doors so you can fit more people in etc.
It may not be the fastest car in the game but it's certainly the most versatile.

>>7850019
>>7851207

does this have bots yet? :(

Motorsiege is underrated
>that soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtsbQOoGxGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfQKGtu_rtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7M9Xp5wzf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuXcHHUxIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST1oTmODRoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E5XATJtXrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpwqP1Ue5iY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEKxhWB9m2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zbNX-Lrd4

>>7888531
Nice

>>7888531
now thats the stuff, never played it but it sure looks interesting

RALLYYYEEE

>>7890885
It's a decent Car Combat game, I'd say the strongest part is the soundtrack

thoughts?

>>7892965
I think it has one of the first implementation of the flashbacks system most racing games have nowadays.
It's a single make racing game that came out during the make's darkest hours imho. It has some interesting Alfas you can't drive anywhere else, but still lacks a lot of cool stuff, while they added shit like 3 different GT variants. the racing/driving is serviceable.
Give it a shot if you want to drive a 33 or a racing 75/Milano. Pass otherwise.

>>7890893
Are the rally Celicas the official /vroom/ cars?

Oh good, I thought we killed the racing game thread for some reason.

>>7893292
Wish we had a bit more activity desu, even if not 100% on topic.

>>7893297
we can't have fun due to autism.

>>7893260
its a good game but they also did make evolution gt which is rather similar just not alfa exclusive, tho barely any alfas in that one

While a technically inferior effect I have a real nostalgia fuelled soft spot for vertex (rather and projected) headlights in old NFS games. I think it comes down to me playing the playstation versions first and stood no chance in hell of having a voodoo card in 1998 so while I can see the power of 3D acceleration today and appreciate it, vertex just hits the right notes for me and given neither headlight rendering is gamebreaking one way or another there is no downside to choosing the worse effect.

>>7893532
Definitely felt like some kind of magic trick.

>>7890893
>>7893270
the 90s castrol toyota livery is GOAT, always pick a castrol celica/supra in any game where they're available

>>7893831
It being the best car in GT1 certainly helped its coolness.

>>7893831
Always been more of a Denso SARD guy myself desu.

Underrated game. People who complain about the controls haven't played enough and are mad about getting filtered. This 10.2 review is actually well done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzShYTXw_ME

>>7893867
>>7894143
i just realized part of my love for the castrol livery probably comes from the lego octan stuff that was clearly inspired by castrol, pretty sure i had this truck as a kid

>>7894151
Baste. Always loved how clean older lego sets looked.

It has taken me 20 years to get a good clear shot of this sign and I still don't know what it is meant to be conveying.

>>7894725
transgender shrek ahead

>>7894730
Of course. Now I feel foolish not realising that.