/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7867108
I liked Crash more because he was like a wacky Looney Tunes cartoon. Sonic just seems kind of lame outside of his og trilogy on Genesis

>>7867108
Sonic obviously. I still enjoy his games both old and new.

>>7867108
Clearly Sonic. They're both pretty samey but Crash is more one dimensional. Even Bubsy has more character than Crash. If his games weren't good people would call him another stupid Sonic imitation

>>7867171
>Samey

They’re nothing alike. Crash is a zany looney tune

Sonic’s….I don’t even know at this point

>>7867108
Crash was the best because he represented peak kooky Looney Tunes. Sonic was just kind of boring in that edgy 90s tryhard sort of way.

>>7867151
>Sonic obviously. I still enjoy his games both old and new.

> Sonic
- 100+ games (I don't know the real number, just throwing this out)
- multiple TV series
- merchandise
- tie-in promotions
- hit live action movie

> Crash
- Started out strong with some good games under Naughty Dog. But Universal Interactive owned Crash, not Sony. Universal was bought out by Vivendi and we saw the Vivendi Crash years.
> Activision-Blizard ended up with Crash rights.
> Sat dormant for many years.
> Was reintroduced with Skylanders?
> Did not see a resurface until recent years.

Sonic may have rough spots. But the character only really left for a short period of time in the Saturn years. Oddly the time when Crash was at his biggest.

>>7867151
>Sonic obviously. I still enjoy his games both old and new.

> Sonic
- 100+ games (I don't know the real number, just throwing this out)
- multiple TV series
- merchandise
- tie-in promotions
- hit live action movie

> Crash
- Started out strong with some good games under Naughty Dog. But Universal Interactive owned Crash, not Sony. Universal was bought out by Vivendi and we saw the Vivendi Crash years.
- Activision-Blizard ended up with Crash rights.
- Sat dormant for many years.
- Was reintroduced with Skylanders?
- Did not see a resurface until recent years.

Sonic may have rough spots. But the character only really left for a short period of time in the Saturn years. Oddly the time when Crash was at his biggest.

The ps1 Crash games managed to have better animation than any of the Dreamcast Sonic game

>>7867249
It's just simple squash and stretch. SA and SA2 are masterfully animated by comparison.

>>7867259
Yes because random Mouth flaps and awkward mocap are much better

>>7867269
Yes

>>7867301
Meanwhile Crash 2 had stuff like this

>>7867304
Also the lip sync for the Crash 3 time twister messages https://youtu.be/bXyyP7Db9JQ

>>7867308
They even modified the lip sync for alternate languages https://youtu.be/4cValJbqegs

>>7867269
Yes. Those early 90s CGI-esque animations in SA and SA2 are infinitely more soulful than what we saw in crash.

He isn't wrong. Sonic Team Racing was trash compared to the previous title. At least regular sonic games are fun. But can't talk about that.

obviously gex

>>7867249
I've never seen this animation before, is it an idle animation or what?

Sonic and Mario are like those aging metal/hard rock guys who were big in the 80s, but during the 90s overlooked for edgy new trends, but those hard rock guys are still around today selling out stadiums while the grungy edgy guys are mostly all dead.

Sonic is more sleek and streamlined. It's kinda genius how Naoto Ooshima came up with a simple design that spawned more characters in that vein.

Crash has more soul in his expressions influenced by Looney Tunes and such. Plus he has better porn. Total sex god.

>>7867108
>I had the better racing game!
Sonic and Sega All Stars Transformed is the best kart racer ever made

>>7867215
Yup. Oh though Sonic did make it on the Sega Saturn with Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Jam, and Sonic R.

>>7867521
lol, did anyone on the planet actually play Gex?

It's Sonic > Crash > Mario > Spyro for me
I didn't play Zelda games growing up so I can't rank them. Crash filled the void between Sonic 3&K (1994) and Sonic Adventure (1999) for me, along with of course the amazing Mario 64

>>7867582
Mario certainly. I have no idea what the last mainline Sonic game was.

>>7867872
I owned it for Saturn

>>7867447
lol

>>7867108
CRASH NEVER DREW A DIME

>>7867872
You bet your God damn nigger loving ass we did, and we liked it!

>>7867954
Sonic draws despite SeHHHga trying to bury him

>>7867823
>Yup. Oh though Sonic did make it on the Sega Saturn with Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Jam, and Sonic R.

Sonic Jam and 3D Blast were ports of Genesis/ Mega Drive games. They were token games at best. Sonic R was the only real original Sonic game for the console, and that was made by Travellers Tales. Sega of America tried making Sonic XTreme, which ended in failure.

>>7868234
It's funny, I always assumed that Sonic 3D Blast on the Saturn was like a last effort port to finally get Sonic in 3D on the Saturn, but I was surprised to find out they came out within one month of each other. Wasnt so much a "hey remember that one game? We couldn't give you 3d sonic so how about you replay that?" situation as a "we made this game and there's two versions depending on which console you do or don't have" situation. The game really was ported to Saturn for cynical reasons but it was ported really early on it seems, and they got away with not just rehashing a year old title.

What they really should have done is not released the genesis version at all, so that the game would have been a Saturn exclusive from the beginning. But the game was ultimately designed to be the "last genesis Sonic". It was cool though that they offered two versions, one for the dying console and one for the new console, it reminds me of Twilight Princess being on the GC and the Wii.

>>7868234
>Travellers Tales

And also noteworthy that TT made two Sonic games for Sega (Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R), and they also made two Crash games ( The Wrath of Cortex, Twinsanity) for gen 6 consoles for Vivendi Universal Games.

>>7867896
Sonic still has fan draw, and has movies about him even if he hasn't released a good album for over 20 years.

>>7868262

I actually like Sonic 3D Blast. Not the best of the Sonic games, but I thought it was interesting. The game started development on the Mega Drive/ Genesis. I remember seeing the early screenshots in magazines, and there was some speculation that Sonic 3D Blast was going to be an RPG like Mario RPG. The Saturn port is great. Sonic Team actually made the 3D bonus stages themselves. But the game was far from something that could compete with Crash or Mario 64. Sonic R started as a formula 1 game for the Saturn. But TT turned it into a Sonic Racing game. Sonic Jam does have the 3D world. Which was probably Sonic Team showing that they could have made a 3D Sonic game. But focused on NiGHTS and Burning Rangers instead. Sonic was given a soft reboot on the Dreamcast with a different design.

>>7867521
>obviously gex

Gex never faded away., he retired and just golf everyday now.

>>7868234
Yeah, I had heard about Sonic XTreme, I'm glad it never came out. Would have preferred Sonic Adventure on the Saturn, but luckily Sega decided to make it a Dreamcast exclusive with better graphics.

I can't believe this isn't a crash song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4p7PBCfKs

>>7867108
Why does everybody do my boy Gex like this..

>>7867872
Gex 2 and 3 were some of my favorite platformers back in that era. I loved the explorable hubs (gex 3 did this one a little better), the themed levels and gex costumes, the quirkiness (I was super young so I didn't understand the quips, but they were executed in a way where I would still repeat them to my family every day), and just over all level design of being an exploration based platformer. I have no idea why it became so forgettable to most, because it's the opposite for me.

>>7867108
Crash turned to trash after the PlayStation left market; Sonic has been trash since genesis left yet people still make those games into million-sellers. I give it to sonic for sure.

Sonic sold 145 million and Crash Bandicoot sold 50 million according to Wikipedia sources.

>>7868430
>Crash turned to trash after the PlayStation left market; Sonic has been trash since genesis left yet people still make those games into million-sellers. I give it to sonic for sure.

Naughty Dog went with Sony. Crash went with Vivendi, which farmed out Crash to other developers. They produced a few GBA games, as well as 5 and 6th generation Crash games, and another Crash Team Racer. Etc.

>>7869730
gba demakes of crash were based. since crash already had 2d levels. those games felt right at home

>>7868404
Well, a Devo member worked on Crash so that's why 2 and 3 have a sound like Devo.

>>7867108
Sadly, the shit hedgehog.

>>7870473
I went back and played the first two and they're actually kind of shit outside of nailing the graphics and controls, noticeably lower quality in the level design.

>>7870487
he may have served as an inspiration for one of the enemies as well

>>7867108
Domino's revived Crash for some reason

>>7871356
>Domino's revived Crash for some reason

That's almost on-point for Crash. I don;t even mind the resurfacing of The Noid. He was in a videogame too, once. Fast food placed have been trying to out meme each other for a while now.

Crash Bandicoot and Pizza?

>>7871384

>>7871356
>Domino's revived Crash for some reason

I hope someone keeps reviving Crash. And Yo Noid was a NES classic. Forgotten gaming mascot legends unite.

>>7870968
obj_mothersbaugh

>>7867108
obviously sonic, what's the point of this thread?

Sonic games have a hard time selling 2M as multiplats. Sonic gets outsold by Kirby these days. Crash NSane Trilogy sold over 10 MILLION units, this is a number the Sonic series can only dream of.

Also, the Playstation brand globally, that is more associated with Crash, was much bigger than Sega. I don't doubt Sonic is more recognizable, but his supposed massive popularity is overrated by the reception he has in the US and a few other western countries, for example, he's not popular in Japan and Crash peaked higher in sales there than Sonic.

>>7870494
Salt.

>>7872068
True. Why'd Sonic never catch on in Japan?

>>7867108
Forget about the eternal seething about Crash Bandicoot. What does Sonic even get from all this? The quality of their games have not changed and will never change.

>>7872068
Sonic Dash: 400 million downloads

>>7867108
sonic

the comic books inspired autism you can't even imagine

>>7872186
>the comic books inspired autism you can't even imagine

Which ones are the more autistic? When I was a kid, there were the Archie Sonic comics from the US. I never bought them, but I knew someone who did. The Archie comics Sonic continued up to.... 2012? But there was also a UK comic series? That ran almost as long?

>>7872103
>True. Why'd Sonic never catch on in Japan?

I wonder if Crash's Japanese localization was more appealing over there than Sonic was?

>>7872289

Japanese cover for Gex

>>7867108
>Better racing game
Outside /vr/ this is debatable, awesomely enough.

>>7867259
I mean, I'm way, way, way deep into the Sonic camp on the Crash vs Sonic debate, but that's just ridiculous. >>7867249 and >>7867304 are gorgeous and Sonic Team were complete amateurs when it came to 3d animation.

>>7872334
They could have kept his original proportions and made him cuter, they didn't have to turn him into whatever this is.

>>7872359
>They could have kept his original proportions and made him cuter, they didn't have to turn him into whatever this is.

It makes me wonder if CD did any focus testing with Japanese people too see what would make Gex look the most appealing. Crash has that same SD look too.

>>7872289

>>7872571

>>7872068
damn i didn't know the crash trilogy did that well.

>>7872575

>>7872581
3 games in a budget release. Perfect for kids.

>>7868404
>>7870487
>>7870968
>>7871430
While we're on the topic of things Mark Mothersbaugh worked on and inspired, he also did the theme song and soundtrack for Rugrats, and was the inspiration for Chucky's design.

>>7867259
>SA and SA2 are masterfully animated by comparison.
Never played Crash but I find this fucking hard to believe. Maybe you played the remastered and not the originals, which are also the predominant versions on youtube. The remasters of the SA are bad (polished turd), but the original on dreamcast was some of the worst animation I have ever seen in a game. I genuinely looked forward to the cutscenes just to see how much of a trainwreck they were. You need some real heavy duty nostalgia blinders or deviantart sonic cumbrain to view them in a good light.

>>7872112
You put others down when you can't build yourself up.

>>7874841
Sega fans blasted

>>7874841
KWAB

>>7868336
gex never died. this is gex talking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3mB-tmxBZ8

Let's just make it clear

>Classic era Sonic = Felix x Mickey
>Modern era Sonic = Edgy DBZSpic anime tryhard shit
>Post Modern era Sonic = Memes and self hating humor

>Original era Crash = Looney Tunes
>Tribal era Crash = Lunatics
>Modern era Crash = Generic simple fun platformer guy

In terms of draw power , the modern era for both is what people want most these days, with the original vision mostly liked by the original fanbase, and the weaker, more "cultural of their time" eras are the ones mostly hated by many.

>>7867215
>But the character only really left for a short period of time in the Saturn years. Oddly the time when Crash was at his biggest.
So you're saying Crash was and always will be a cope for the lack of Sonic? Seems correct, since that's exactly what happened during Crash 4. In fact, it even happened with Ratchet.

People just want to like the "second hand" furfag series whenever the next shit Sonic game isn't ready to crap itself out yet.

>>7867259
>SA and SA2 are masterfully animated by comparison
Shut the fuck up weebcuck

>>7867249
Sonic the fighter does this better

>>7876635
>So you're saying Crash was and always will be a cope for the lack of Sonic? Seems correct, since that's exactly what happened during Crash 4. In fact, it even happened with Ratchet.

I never looked at it that way. But Sonic really wasn't well represented on the Saturn. I do think Sega of Japan wanted to put focus on other franchises for the console, while Sega of America president thought it was imperative to have a 32bit 3D Sonic that could compete with Mario 64. Mario 64 was an event in itself. Sony had a whole series of Crash ads designed to target Mario 64 and Sega wanted a flashy 3D Sonic for Christmas '96 to compete as well. But all they had was NiGHTs for Christmas 1996. Nintendo had Mario 64, Pilotwings 64, Mario Kart 64, Shadows of the Empire by December of 1996. Sony basically had all the third parties, and Crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrYSWxDf7o

During this era, Sonic wasn't completely gone. But took a back seat to Virtua Fighter. Sega of Japan, was pushing that Virtua Fighter hard in Japan.

>>7872581
>>7873154
It was in a bundle with the console

>>7867147
Americans fetishizing Looney Tunes is so weird

>>7876678
I've never seen a Saturn out in the wild here in Germany. Nobody even mentioned that console.
Also don't remember any ads, store displays or promotions. Dreamcast got a lot of ads but It was more like "Oh cool, you got a DC" instead of "Oh, I need a DC" for me.

>>7877039
w0t

>>7867147
>I liked Crash more because he was like a wacky Looney Tunes cartoon.

Crash was like a combination of Chuck Jones and Tex Avery type of humor. I will admit, they did a good job animating Crash like a Looney Tunes character. A bit Tasmanian Devil in design. The original Trilogy had the most Looney Tunes influence. This unused animated intro and ending was interesting to me. Looks like Universal Interactive had the Animaniacs/ Pinky and the Brain animation team to do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_4YclrGqM

>>7876632
Classic Era Sonic has far too much tude to be Mickey or Classic Felix. he's more Road Runner X Woody Woodpecker

>>7879225
>Classic Era Sonic has far too much tude to be Mickey or Classic Felix. he's more Road Runner X Woody Woodpecker

The original Sonic is a bit weird, because there were like 2-3 official versions of the design. Sega of America contracted Greg Martin to do every Sonic US cover, just so they could all have a consistent look. Japan had their own version of Sonic. Plus there was the weird off-shoot Sonic media. Sonic Comics, ABC cartoon series, the version made for smaller kids and 'underground'. It was actually kind of hard to peg Sonic's personality. Crash during the Naughty Dog years was consistent. Crash was like partially lobotomised and an idiot.

>>7879225
>Mickey or Classic Felix.
See, that's what happens when you get the FLANDERIZED versions of both characters. Both has had "edge" takes before, they just don't get remembered, for better or worse" Classic era Sonic is just bart simpson in "tude" but that's basically nothing in todays world where if it isn't anime shit it's not even "tude" it's "meme/baby" shit.

>>7867314
Some game engines automate lip sync.

>>7872103
Sonic was made first and foremost to appeal to American audiences. Sonic X was actually made with the express purpose of getting Japanese kids to like Sonic more, but even that was way bigger overseas.

>>7872281
The Archie comics took the SatAM lore and went off the rails with it. The British comics didn't have nearly the same autism potential. There were some Japanese comics too but nobody gives a shit about them.

>>7867108
sonic is iconic, it was the only other mascot that held its own to mario for quite some time. crash came too late and definitely wasnt as big of a phenomenon. most mascot platformers in the 5th genre were late to the party. take banjo kazooie for example. extremely loved game, gets pushed to the sidelines for donkey kong country. if crash had come out on the snes, it wouldn't have been able to compete in the 2d space, but in 3d it work. white people like crash bandicoot/spiro, because they make sonic look like malcom x.

>>7868336
What game is this?

>>7867175
A sex symbol. Deal with it.

>>7879972
One of the Sony golf games

>>7880032
>One of the Sony golf games

Gex is a guest character in the game.

>>7867872
He pushed 15 million copies. All of his games were financially successful and received positive critical reception at the time.

>>7867108
What is this referencing? There's been several Crash games in the last few years and another one coming out this year. Sonic's latest game was the fucking Olympics, and hasn't had a proper game in nearly five years.

Both had solid 9/10 games in their heydays.
Only Crash has any games worth playing from the last 10 years.
Sorry, Sonic.

>>7880092
The flatwoods monster is in this game

>>7880774
Generations and Mania are good

Didnt naughty dog in early development initially call Crash Bandicoot's gameplay "Sonic's ass"?
Crash owes some kind of gratitude to sonic lol

>>7880987
>Didnt naughty dog in early development initially call Crash Bandicoot's gameplay "Sonic's ass"?
>Crash owes some kind of gratitude to sonic lol

That is absolutely true. I do remember the devs saying this. But Sonic was huge back then and popularized the whole mascot genre in the early 90's. I would say that characters like Crash are a more cynical type of mascot that makes fun of the trope of the genre. Self aware. But still a mascot character. It's no surprise that devs would point to Sonic. Mark Cerny produced the original Crash. Cerny was a producer on Sonic the Hedgehog 2 at Sega of America.

>>7881145

Mark Carny produced a lot of different mascot platforms. Crash, Spyro, Jak and Daxter, Rachet and Clank, Knack.

>>7867108
Sonic had a Hollywood film

>>7881549
>Sonic had a Hollywood film

The problem with Crash was the rights. Universal Interactive owned Crash, not Sony. Which made Crash limited in what Sony could do with the character. Sega owns Sonic, and could put the character in cartoons, anime, comics, movies, make toys and license the character everywhere. Sony had to go through Universal to do it. But then Universal Interactive was taken over by Vivendi and Vivendi had the rights for a while. Not sure why they didn't push Crash beyond games. Activation-Blizzard fully owns Crash and Spyro now. Spyro was given its own animated series through Skylanders. Crash had a cameo in that series. Crash just was never big outside of games. Sonic has been quite successful here.

>>7867883
>amazing

>>7884197
Yeah Sonic has more multimedia

>>7884334
>Yeah Sonic has more multimedia

Crash barely has any. I'm sure there were at least toys and some merch made for Crash. But nowhere near the volume that Sonic produced. There are probably people out there who are fans of Sonic without ever playing the games. because there is a lot of alternative media. Crash mostly stays with-in the realms of games, and most people know the character fro m the "guy in a Crash suit" commercials.

>>7867581
Unused content from crash 3

>>7867883
Rocket Knight >>> Mario/Crash > Sonic/Spyro

And... where's my Pittfall Harry + Crash Bandicoot cross over. It could be Pitfall Harry's grand child + Crash in the Aussie outback.

Where's my Pitfall Harry + Crash cross over, Activision? It could be Pitfall harry's grandchild or something in the outback with Crash.

>>7884407
Exactly

Game sales aren't everything

>>7884686
>Exactly
>Game sales aren't everything


The Sonic Boom CG cartoon was more successful than the Sonic Boom games.

>>7868424
>I would still repeat them to my family every day
>I have no idea why it became so forgettable to most, because it's the opposite for me.

>>7867521
has any other platformer mascot had sex canonically, besides Gex?

>>7884686
>Game sales aren't everything

in the late 80's and early 90's, Mario was at his peak of merchandise and non video game media. There were cartoons made for SMB2, SMB3 and SMW, a Hollywood movie, and tons of Mario merchandise. But After the movie flopped. Nintendo pulled back a bit on Mario saturation. Sonic's height of merchandising was 1991 to about 1994 during the Kalinske years. Sonic fizzled out a bit during the 32bit years. Came back with the Dreamcast and Sonic Adventure. Tom Kalinske was the driving force behind Sonic. The man worked at Mattel previously, re-popularized the Barbie brand in the 1970's, and oversaw the creation of HeMan and the Masters of the Universe. In the same that that he oversaw Sonic.

>>7884880
>has any other platformer mascot had sex canonically, besides Gex?

>>7884881
Sonic has had comics and cartoons in ever decade. Now hes a Hollywood star

>>7867175
pregnant... sonic is pregnant.

>>7884927
>Sonic has had comics and cartoons in ever decade. Now hes a Hollywood star

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how well the second movie does. I'm surprised Sega hadn't tried making a game based on the movie. Sonic hasn't had a big game in a while.

>>7885660
Team Sonic Racing 2019?

>>7887006
That game came and went away like a fart. They should've made Transformed 2 instead of wasting Sumo Digital's talent like that.