/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7868591
i mean look at it. its great.

Lucia's a babe and Sunsoft was the best dev on the NES

The real question: is Zelda II better than this game?

>>7868591
This game stole it's entire concept from Leda

>>7868607
No. Zelda 2 is awful.

>>7868601
This was early Sunsoft, not the same guys who made Batman. Actually the original NES team was fired for being incompetent hacks (if you saw Platoon you'd know what I mean).

>>7868613
Nice try Aonuma.

>>7868607
Yes, it's also one of the best Zelda games unless you get filtered easily

>>7868601
She's got a nice ass and big boobies for an NES sprite girl

>>7868618
>(if you saw Platoon you'd know what I mean)
it's not bad for a port

>>7868591
The ganeplay isn't even that similar. Interesting game though

>>7868601
Is this a part of the game or a fan edit?

>>7869780
https://www.spriters-resource.com/fullview/55357/
https://www.spriters-resource.com/nes/tloztheadventureoflink/sheet/120125/

When you see it...

>>7869793
I don’t see it and I just looked up TWoM on YouTube. It looks like the whole game is a sidescrolling platformer. Can I get a list of similarities or is OP just shitposting?

>>7868607
Yes but >>7868718 is just being a typical contrarian. The Zelda series really came together with ALttP and Link’s Awakening. The NES games were more of a test run.

>>7869793
This? At first I thought they were close, but the more I look at it the more I think it's probably a coincidence.
>>7869801
Not that Anon, but
>zoom zoom

It's one of those games that tricked you with eroi sugiru anime chick on the cover.

>>7869797
i think he's trying to make a point of how several enemies in Zelda II were stolen from this game

>>7869805
Are you seriously going to deny that the NES Zelda games later had their disparate elements combined with ALttP? It’s an objective fact.

>>7869812
> It’s an objective fact.
Your ignorance is showing. The more you talk, the more obvious it becomes you aren't actually interested in talking about Zelda II--in fact, you may not have even played Zelda II in its entirety. It's obvious to anyone who actually played all three games that in making such claims all you're doing is talking out of your ass. Disparate elements combined with LttP? LttP retained no elements that were introduced in Zelda II. You're full of it.

>>7869808
Lmao every game had bats. If anything these games all ripped off tower of druaga

>>7869821
Explain why Zelda II is so good then. The sidescrolling combat was jettisoned for a reason. It didn’t fit the series and they rightfully went back to the isometric perspective. Btw, the magic meter is the answer you failed to come up with.

>>7869821
*inb4 you try to claim Zelda II introduced towns and that Kakariko Village might have not existed otherwise in LttP. Never mind the fact that towns were a staple of the RPG/adventure genre by that point.

>>7869831
Mmhmm.

>>7869807
Those poor fools who bought Space Hunter

>>7869830
>Btw, the magic meter is the answer you failed to come up with.
Yes, the magic meter that's used in an entirely different way in a game that has no fucking spells or level-up mechanic. You got me, Anon.

>>7869845
Mmhmm.

>>7869830
>isometric
8/10 almost thought you were actually that dumb for a sec

>>7869848
Lol okay “overhead” then. I’m sure you’ll explain in detail why it’s different. I’ll wait.

>>7869846
The Legend of Zelda and Zelda II: Adventure of Link aren't "test runs", they're games. Good games. Zelda II in particular is almost a completely different kind of game from Zelda 1 and LttP, and many people would like to see a new Zelda game made in that style.
>Mmhmm.
Drink bleach.

>>7869852
They’re fine games for their era but they 100% laid the groundwork for the 16-bit era and beyond Zelda games that brought all the good ideas from the crude NES games and left the bad stuff behind.

>>7869851
isometric = overhead with an angle to reveal things in the environment that wouldn't be visible with straight top down view

>>7869869
Okay great. Huge difference, my fucking bad, anon.

>>7869874
you'll look way less stupid in the future because of me and you thank me with sass

>>7869880
Semantics are for autists and those types of super anal posters can be safely ignored.

>>7869864
How arrogant do you have to be to treat your own tastes as objective truth? I LIKE the combat system in Zelda II. I LIKE the experience system and the magic system. A whole shit ton of people do. Those aren't by any means "crude elements" that needed to be left behind.

>>7869883
it's actually about being able to have a meaningful conversation with people using terms that everyone understands the meaning of, and illustrating that you understand the things you're talking about

>>7869887
No it isn’t. It’s about smug satisfaction on your part.

>>7869883
I know you're trying to save face, but you can't genuinely believe this. It'll hold you back.

>>7869841
>poor fools
Don't the Japanese still love that game?

>>7869889
i mean yeah i won't deny that's part of it but you also know better, who loses in this scenario?

>>7869891
See >>7869889. Literally you when making this meaningless distinction.

>>7869883
>>7869889
>>7869894
Aww, look at him trying to sound smart.
Since you love A Link to the Past so much, here's a Zelda just for you!

>>7869894
maybe if you stopped saying stupid shit literally all the time, people would "actually" you less

>>7869898
Whoops, forgot the image

>>7868720
It's an edit stolen from THAT japanese pixview account.

>>7869898
>>7869901
ACTUALLY Link’s Awakening is the best 2D Zelda and Wind Waker is the best 3D Zelda. I’m also one of the top 5 most based posters on this board.

>>7869904
>japanese pixiv account
Name? I know who you're talking about and I've seen his work appear on other sites, but I always forget to look him up and follow him there.

>>7869830
>The sidescrolling combat was jettisoned for a reason.
Yet they reused it in Link: The Faces of Evil, Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon and some parts of the dungeons in Link's Awakening about 6 years after Zelda II. Clearly many people liked the sidescrolling combat.

>>7869914
>Link: The Faces of Evil, Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon
Not him, but by naming two notoriously bad Zelda games you're just asking to go after low-hanging fruit and go
>durrrr see, that's how bad it is
Good point re: Link's Awakening, though. It's also worth mentioning that there was interest in a Zelda II remake within Nintendo as well. We know this not only from the recent Gigaleak but because there were interviews circa the time of OoT (and later, OoT 3D) where Miyamoto and Koizumi talked about this.

Zelda II is not “Nintendo’s Dark Souls” and anyone that makes this claim is a fucking faggot.

>>7869926
Only in the literal sense that the games were released 30 years apart from each other with Dark Souls coming later. Besides that autism, the two games share a lot of the same gameplay concepts and generally possess the same ethos.

>>7869937
Knew it. You guys only like it because of its reputation as the hard one out of the 2D Zeldas.

>>7869852
On one hand you're right but on the other you posted fucking zoom meme.

>>7869941
I'm 37 years old, Anon. I played and beat the game long before Dark Souls even existed.

>>7869941
I don't think it's THAT hard. Maybe a little cryptic, way more so than the first game, in that you probably actually do need some kind of guide to help you find certain things, but the game has a fun and satisfying combat system, great music, and has you go on a fun little adventure. The challenge makes it satisfying to beat, but it's no reason to assume the posture of enjoying the game when I do genuinely enjoy it.

>>7869950
Then you should know that the comparison is silly. They absolutely do not “share the same ethos”.

>>7869959
I agree that it's silly, but I'm not the one who posted that. I'm just pushing back against the notion that everyone here who loves Zelda II only does so because of its reputation.

>>7869801
>>7869864
They sold massive amounts and were some of the most popular games on the system. Every game builds on the shoulders of giants.

>>7868601
how did they get away with it on a Nintendo system???
is this game any good?

>>7868591
Considering SMB2US was just a reskinned Doki Doki Panic, does it surprise you?

>>7869830
The magic meters in the two games are the same in name only

>>7869883
pointing out when you're not using words correctly is not semantic pedantry

>>7869851
>>7869874
>90 degrees and 45 degrees are the same angle
you fucking idiot cretin
you absolute dolt
you utter fucking simpleton

>>7872246
Exactly. Which is ironic, considering he's accusing others of pedantry.

>>7868608
That would be the Valis series.

>>7868718
It's a good game, but not that good anon.

>see Arino play this game
>looks like fun
>takes less than 15 minutes of gameplay to realize how fucking horrible this game is
At least Zelda 2 is fun to play, aside from the Great Palace.

>>7869908
Saiwai Hiroshi, maybe?

As an objectively true statement, some games should steal from good games. Not all games, but some. This is the process by which genres incrementally advance.

The only thing tragic about what happened here is that a GOOD game wasn't copied.

>>7868618
Was platoon bad? I mean I'll be honest, I never got past level 2, but the music was great

>>7873157
Something something good artists borrow, great artists steal or however the quote goes.

>>7872481
It's an early Famicom title from 86 and as others have mentioned, Sunsoft weren't that good until their original NES team got fired and replaced with the team that made Batman.

>>7872531
That's the guy! Thanks, Anon.