/vr/ - Retro Games

I don't enjoy the sensation of perpetual auto-scroll in a game

>>7854887
play OutZone

>>7854891
I'd rather read a book

Maxed out Battle Mania 2. It's a fun game but I wish it had a 7 digit score. It's a bit too easy to max out while playing the game casually.

R Type Final2 is better than I thought it would be. It's growing on me even if it's still not up to Delta. Still only on Normal difficulty though; I am looking forward to seeing the stage differences on R Typer and up.

>>7854827
this game is fucking hard!

>>7856512
Nice
>>7856747
Sauce?

>>7854921
>I'd rather read a book
thats auto scroll

So what’s a good shoot’m up on PC for a galactic noob in the genre like me who has only played StarGunner? There were a few others I’ve played in arcades in the 90’s but I can’t for the life of me remember any of their names. I honestly kinda liked what they did with the ship upgrade system in StarGunner though and I’ve got no idea why it was never really a popular game (Raptor (Call of the Shadows) was way more popular back in the day on PC but I found it way too easy, at least StarGunner puts up quite a fight on Admiral difficulty).

>>7854887
>I don't enjoy the sensation of perpetual auto-scroll in a game
Specially if there is no alternate shot to play with like a lock-on or secondary laser. it feels so passive and unexciting holding down autofire while auto-scrolling through gaps.

>>7858067
jets'n'guns will teach you to avoid stuff, then touhou will teach you to avoid stuff with hitbox much smaller than your sprite and from there you can go into cave games

>>7858067
Blue Wish Resurrection+ has an autobomb by default. Good beginner bullet hell.

Crimzon Clover has a novice mode as does most Cave stuff on Steam.

For emulation, anything from Compile is good. Particularly Blazing Lazers, MUSHA, and Space Megaforce.

I need cunny shmups

I'm trying to get 4.2 million in GG Aleste 3, the difference in optimisation needed for 4.1 mil and 4.2 mil is pretty drastic.

>>7854827
Cool artwork

>>7858705
>>7859627

Thank you anons! Looks very interesting, am definitely gonna be giving some of these games a go!

Cyvern is sick, not much info about this game but it plays a lot like Garegga with scoring to get extends and using them to lower rank

>>7861050
now look up one of the rarest shmups of all time, cyvern PLUS.

they are unpopular because they are boring

>>7858067
Deathsmiles

>>7861050
it's really slow compared to Garegga, rather play my platformers

>>7854891
Twin stick shooters before the invention of twin sticks are frustrating, and I say that because I suck at OutZone.

>>7861317
they are unpopular because most people are j****gs

I only replay shmups I'm familiar with because learning new shmups is not exciting or interesting in the least

>>7861336
the oldest of copes

>>7861340
You know you could learn to play shmups in the 50 hours it takes you to kill god with the power of friendship in a typical jarpig, right?

>>7857476
Terra Diver. Also I want to fuck that pink worm thing

>>7861343
double cope and missing the point

>>7861357
so what's your point
this should be fun

>>7861332
you're supposed to use the 3-way shot everywhere, then it plays like a regular shoot em up but without the autoscrolling

>>7861317

good thing their popularity has nothing to do with my enjoyment of them!

>>7861423
>good thing their popularity has nothing to do with my enjoyment of them!

>>7861431

As my first 1cc I'm currently trying to 1cc Game Tengoku CruisinMix Special on normal with default lives and auto bomb on as the UFO girls since they wreck everything (Pig is cool too but I don't like his slower fire rate with full upgrades). Aside from mistakes there's some attacks which always gets me like the third boss with the last of his three quick attacks, but it's not that bad and I really want to check the rest of Jaleco's stuff now.

>>7861445
I'm trying to do the same thing minus the auto bomb, and I always end up choking at the bit after the Head On homage in the retro stage. It's hard for me to pick favorites between the characters, but I've managed to achieve my highest score with Z Dyne Mk II, with Momoko following. The game certainly is a rabbit hole into the rest of Jaleco's softography.

Hello lads, what are one or two essential shmups on PS2? I'm a shitter and I want to try some. Is it even a good console for shmups?

>>7861493
contra shattered soldier

>>7861513
this is good, no auto scrolling

shmups are unpopular because they're hard to beat and only because of that

>>7862191
except there are easy ones out there and people can just credit feed anyway as they do in other games. it's not that

>>7862243
you have not beaten the game unless it's 1cc

>>7862247
and you think general audiences even know or care about this?

>>7862253
what they know or care about is of no relevance
their limited capabilities is what's detrimental to shmups popularity

>>7862264
>their limited capabilities
>credit feeding
>novice/easy modes
nah they just find the games boring as fuck
it's relevant because they disregard the games, when they credit feed other genres happily
fucking delusional shmup cucks

>>7862191
lmao no it's because they are legit boring as fuck to functioning human beings who realise what a complete waste of life it is getting good at these stupid games is when you can actually go do something much more worthwhile.

>>7861317
>they are unpopular because they are boring
No doubt. people would rather play any other genre

>>7862191
The oldest of copes

>>7863417
oh look it's you again

>>7861445
I usually bomb that attack myself, it's pretty scary. Game Tengoku is great! I like playing as Selia but the UFO chick is great. I want to try the DLC car girl eventually.

Other Jaleco shmups worth checking out are Plus Alpha and Cybattler. Plus Alpha has slightly wonky framerate but it is on the easier side (for the first 4 or 5 levels) and very pleasant.

>>7858067
If you are a true giganoob, Lords of Thunder on Sega CD (easy to emulate) is an incredibly forgiving and easy to play shmup with incredibly kickass music. I'd argue it's nearly impossible to get a game over in.

bullet hells were invented by _________ to brainwash ______ into becoming _________

>>7862247
>>7862264
post your strongest shmup achievements

>>7863636
Strikers trilogy 2-ALL

>>7863621
toaplan
scrubs
good

>>7864534
>>7864545

don't feel like playing shmups until next year (or year after)

>>7863621
Zun
Boys
Trans

silve smuppet best smuppet

>>7863621
cave
clast
an hero at age 35

>>7863621
Treasure
Treasure fans
obnoxious

Actraiser. Really good game for me. But I can't even touch the sequence (assuming I play it terribly or it is really hard?) because the sim mechanic was cutted off

>>7865436
kek

Here's a treasure game list. Ikaruga is easily my favorite smuppy boi. Gunstar is good but just contra or metal slug. Sin & Punishment is a rail shooter.

Gunstar Heroes, released in 1993 for the Sega Mega Drive
Alien Soldier, released in 1995 for the Sega Mega Drive
Radiant Silvergun, released in 1997 for Arcade and Sega Saturn
Bangai-O, released in 1999 for the Nintendo 64
Sin and Punishment, released in 2000 for the Nintendo 64
Silpheed: The Lost Planet, released in 2000 for the PlayStation 2
Ikaruga, released in 2001 for Arcade
Gradius V, released in 2004 for the PlayStation 2
Gunstar Super Heroes, released in 2005 for the Game Boy Advance
Bangai-O Spirits, released in 2009 for Nintendo DS
Sin & Punishment: Star Successor, released in 2010 for the Wii

>>7863621
japs
ric
a liar about 2-alls

>>7863636
1cc ikaruga on easy

lmao

>>7863636
I'm in the top 150 for Sega Ages Space Harrier scores.

>>7865774
What jrpg are you grinding?

>>7865597
Cringe

How did Psykio get away with copy-pasting the same game dozens of times with slight graphic reskin?

>>7866614
>Psikyo
>Defunct: 2005

They didn't get away with it lol

>>7866614
How'd your mom get away with raising a retard?

>>7866659
true

what's common to shmups is people don't find them fun to play, whether they are easy or not easy

>>7867317
Spot on

>>7867317
I play shmups out of habit trying to re-experience the fun they had when they were new and exciting

The reason the genre died is because people got brainwashed into wanting "content" no matter the quality of it. When people see an arcade game that lasts less than 2 hours max they bin it instantly because they don't think there's much to the game.
I'm a shitter who just started playing them and I'm enjoying myself. It's really simple, packed, hard fun. People are just prejudiced against the genre

>>7867442
>The reason the genre died is because people got brainwashed into wanting "content" no matter the quality of it....game that lasts less than 2 hours max they bin it

>>7867456
OOF

>>7867456
we got too cocky shmupbros...

>>7867456
You compete with other people directly and simply in that one. It appeals to people who want no frills competition, and e-sports helped to keep them popular

Only credit feeders say shmups are boring
The fun lies in 1cc

>>7867473
>multiplayer cope
i got u

>>7867480
OOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFF

>>7867480
exactly, they just can't accept that people find the games extremely boring, no ifs or buts about it

>>7867317
I have a lot of fun when playing a shmup until I die and lose all my powerups.

>>7867625
fair enough, I can only enjoy a couple credits these days then lose interest

>>7867442
There's many reasons the genre died
>unlike adventure games and platformers, shmups were basically unable to be converted to 3D.
On Rails Shooters like Starfox 64 and Sin And Punishment are probably the closest analogue to shmups in 3D and they're very different in design and philosophy.

>the consumer market at home trended towards lengthier, more content heavy and complex games
Shmups honestly get worse the longer they are, the only way to have a lot of content is to stuff in a lot of different ships or difficulty levels, and the only way to really add complexity is to add convoluted scoring and ranking systems.

>Arcades died everywhere but Japan and shmups died long before arcades themselves did in the US anyways
self explanatory

>Shmup devs have absolutely no business sense whatsoever
They didn't even -try- to adapt to the changing market. If anything they went out of their way to make dumb decisions. 16:9 widescreen HD displays are the obvious future of home entertainment systems? Stop making horizontally scrolling games altogether and make only 480p vertically scrolling arcade games, ignoring literally hundreds of millions of home consumers. Genre is looked down upon for its absurd difficulty curve? Start making games so legendarily difficult that less than 10,000 people on the planet can beat them. Then as if that nonsense wasn't enough, start making games for a specific niche of what has to be less than 1000 Japanese autists to score attack in. Imagine fucking shrinking your consumer base that much and thinking that's a viable business strategy. And yes I blame CAVE for the genre dying, it's thanks to them that horizontally scrolling games stopped being made and meme design like this became the face of the genre to normal people and turned them off from playing.

>>7867638
Way more nuanced take than mine. Makes sense, seems like a genre that you need to look for yourself. It's harder to fall into compared to, racing games for example, and everything you mentioned doesn't seem to help.
I'm enjoying it as a beginner, for what's it worth.

>>7863636
counterstop on Time Pilot and Outzone

>>7867712
how much is the time pilot counterstop?

>>7867750
about tree fiddy

>scoring a game with counterstop

>>7867475
The fun lies in scoring

>>7867897
but I found a way to calculate beyond the counterstop!

>>7867924
>The fun lies in claiming the 2ALL
*fixed

the deadest of genres?

>>7867638
>screenfulls of magenta vomit
>player's weapons are less visible so they don't contrast with the purple monochrome
Did they make the game intentionally fugly? Dodonpachi has different bullet colors and the player lasers pop on the screen. Do caveautists consider making the game visually appealing a design mistake becuase it could possibly hinder their bulletdodge?

>>7869953
graphics, color, art and music are all secondary to gameplay and never matter. Would be good if /vr/ zooms understood this

>>7869984
This wasn't true in the 80s and it still isn't true now. Presentation (not 'beauty' or 'spectacle' mind you) is inherently linked with the gameplay.

>>7870017
poor visibility is just a means of increasing difficulty, do you think Pilots always have perfect visibility in times of war? Give me a break

even if you never played shmups its good to retire from them

>>7870131
Not considering a children's toys as a full time job and your sole reason for living is always a good idea.

>>7870141

>>7870169
If you can't get an 1cc in 20 hours just move on.

>>7870192
when I don't play with children's toys I watch streamers play with them

>>7869526
that would be RTS
at least shmups have a somewhat lively doujin scene

>>7870383

>>7863636
Got the top 3rd and 2nd places on the xbox 360 leaderboards for the Raiden Fighters Aces collection for RF 1 and 2. The boards reset often unfortunately, but the top 5 clears were from avid players and usually pretty solid. I think I put about 60 hours into RF1. It all comes down to setting up those damn Micluses perfectly in the first level or two to max the medals out.

>>7863621
Zun
dudes
pedophiles

>>7867317
Casuals aren't people.

>>7867480
>>7867552
I'm happy SoR4sold well but one of the most beloved titles in the genre getting a good follow up decades later and selling well isn't a reflection of how that genre is doing. The beat em up scene is more dead than the the shmup scene currently is. Both are extremely expensive and desirable to collect for today because they are still great fun to pick up and play today for short periods of time even if the community isn't huge or have large events or massive competitions.

>>7870562
point wasn't about bmup genre, but that short, single player action games are still well played, yet shmups aren't

>>7870581
>point
>still well played
>shmups aren't
I still play and buy them so I guess you're wrong. Why are you even in this thread to just to drive everyone who enjoying it out?

There has been a ton of great shmups getting released lately >Cotton Reboot >Aleste Collection >Darius Cozmic. I get you might not be into them and that's cool but that's not why you're here itt. You're here to ruin the thread and shit on anything and everything you can. Fggt.

>>7870581
because sci-fi isn't popular anymore, you need to be a massive existing franchise to sell it.

>>7870603
A remake and 2 collections of old trash. That's all you can come up with.

>>7870607
Shows what you know that collection isn't just a collection of the old it also has a brand new release on it. Who ever could have guessed the Aleste series would get a new game. It's almost unheard of and it's amazing it happened. Crawl back under your rock yah douche.

>>7870607
there's also the new touhou
checkmate

>>7870603
>I still play
congratulations, but the genre is dead is already agreed on. The suggested reason why it died is that: people don't play short action games anymore; but that's wrong, they do.

>>7867442
>The reason the genre died is because people got brainwashed into wanting "content" no matter the quality of it. When people see an arcade game that lasts less than 2 hours max they bin it instantly because they don't think ther
X

>>7870615
>new releases
we know how those go after a month or two

>>7870638
>shmup on PC
>ever selling well
You might as well cite Star Soldier on the N64 if you're grasping that hard for straws.

>>7870620
>new touhou
that's on PC so it can't sell
checkmate

What’s everyone’s opinion on Tyrian 2000? Somehow never came across this game until recently and have been wondering if I should bother give it a go.

>>7872470
it's a shmup, of course it won't sell

1cc'd Thunder Force 4 twice consecutively: once on Switch, once on real hardware

It's a really fun game

>>7873507
It's great, lots of content full of secrets and easter eggs.

>>7873661
after I 1cc a shmup I regret it and move on

>>7854827
R-Type on Gameboy, I play shmups more for the sensation of beating them rather than point scoring though.
I beat all the games on the Darius Cozmic home collection this January, and beat Gradius/Nemesis last winter too. I'm starting to find a weird affinity for this genre later in my life where I used to overlook them back in the day.

>>7873695
this is normal

>>7873695
I 1cc once, replay and record myself beating it (with a camera so you know my inputs are real) and then that's it
Can always brag about beating it later on that way, and I have the credentials to prove it

>>7873798
Do you have a youtube channel? I've l always wanted to do this as a kind of video diary and maybe add comments to help other people out with tips.

>the Spaniard is back pushing his "muh dead genre, muh dead scene" shit
Post 2alls, otherwise I'll be credit-feeding R-Type Final2 and enjoying myself

>>7873890
I don't but I'd like to make one, I have footage of a bunch of games that I've beaten not just shooters. I like to keep them for posterity

>>7873663
I went ahead and downloaded Tyrian 2000 and played a few levels, it’s definitely an interesting game. Love the music and art style, it’s very reminiscent of early 90’s arcade shmup’s.

Also I usually don’t really care much for lore and shit in this genre (I just wanna fucking blow things up), but I’m actually surprised that I’m quite enjoying reading the data cubes and getting hints on what to kill and blow up for secret levels and other bonuses. Plus some of them are actually interesting to read. Think I’m gonna enjoy this a lot, thanks for replying with your thoughts anon!

>>7854827
I'm trying to boost my scores on Chaos Field, Radirgy, and Strikers III. Still trying to no miss Raiden DX. :(

>>7858067
If you want easy, grab MAME and play Gradius 3 or Giga Wing. If you want manly, grab Mushihimesama.

I decided to recently play some XOP, just for fun.
I played XOP Plus that I had on CD from some magazine and it was nice if somewhat difficult.
Then I remembered that that there were other versions, so I got them too.

XOP Ultra made some changes to the original game that Im not sure I can get behind.
The fact that Dals are now very transparent is a nice thing, lets you see bullets more clearly.
Changed music in Organic Area striked me as a surprise, it carries same general feel but it feels wrong for someone used to different one.
Velocity Canon change is a mixed bag, it is more useful now, but I still kinda preferred the pink fickoff lazer, maybe if it would aim to the sides with similar speed and with shot frequency the new one does it would be better.
Removal of weapon weight makes no difference to me as it didn't feel like it even mattered, no difference in speed at all to me.
Some changes like bumping up rocket power is nice.
Removing awards that unlock additional extra modes and making them available from the start feels like it removes the incentive to git good, but also lets people shit at the game enjoy them, mixed bag.
Splitting the levels between two separate courses was retarded, I liked to play them all in series and now I can't, what gives?
Also, there were some noticeable shifts in difficulty settings along the way with some easier options gone entirely from the new version, not sure if I approve.
All in all, a weird mutation of the game I was used to, but its still pretty much the same thing.

Then I checked out XOP Black Ultra, and it was a disappointment in comparison to previous game all around. What happened?

>>7873695
>>7873798
I mostly find shmups the most fun to replay after a 1cc, other types of games I'm usually done with after one. honestly it feels like too much work to learn a new game at points.

Is the arcade version of In the Hunt the same as the ps1 and the saturn version?

>>7876147
This is why I'm asking btw.

>>7876147
This is why I asked btw.

>>7861493
R-type Final and Gradius V

>>7876180
the ps1 version gives you an extra shield so default difficulty would be easier

>>7876147
Console port has different level order.

>>7876719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJab4odvKY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8YRUlesVec
You can check it above, stage 3 is the channel in arcade and seabed town on psx

play a shmup?
I'd rather take a dump,
oh no I gave this thread a bump

shmups on consoles SUCK

my scores are looking good lads, TRCH already doubled my score and set to quad it this week coming. ;)

Told you so... again.

rather just read a book or go cycling

>>7877164
>>7876825
>>7861317
>>7854921

Ya’ll did care enough to come into this thread tho but anyway thanks for keeping it bumped up. Shmups fucking rock.

>>7877260
>Ya’ll
mutt

I've moved on from these games, they're very samey

>>7877550
It's okay. You were a nobody at shmups before, so nothing's really changed.

>>7873507
I tried to play it again recently, but it quit to desktop when I get to the main menu if I have a joystick or controller plugged in.

>>7877554
As if the scene really is worth being a somebody in.

You're also a nobody btw.

>>7877081
I like Thunder Force 3 and 4 a bunch

>>7873890
I had a youtube and streamed...= waste of time and effort... no one engages, comments or cares... you're uploading, broadcasting and writing vid descriptions for no reason.

>>7877821
It's not for random people it's a resume you can jerk off to and brag about to other shmup players.

>>7877769
>You're also a nobody btw
Yeah, but I don't go out of my way to update /vr/ with my worthless blog. Great for keeping us in the loop that you're a scrub,

>>7877924
I like those updates

Playing a shmup feels like being stuck in the movie Groundhog Day
Sameshit over and over

Are there rules to autofire in shmups that didn't have them before? Like would I be a bitch for not having to mash in Darius Gaiden?

>>7877953
unless you're taking part in the yolympics or similar tourney, nobody cares because everybody uses 30hz autofire anyway, even if it breaks the game
if you feel like it's cheating or whatever, simply use a lower frequency close to your tapping speed, like 8-9hz

>>7877953
You make the rules since you're the only person playing in most cases.

>>7877953
everybody uses autofire and it's crazy not to

>>7877953
Use default auto fire in Darius Gaiden.

>>7877953
Everyone uses autofire, dont be mashing retard, anon

>>7877939
>Playing a shmup feels like being stuck in the movie Groundhog Day
back in arcade days you'd go and play a limited amount of credits, $2, $4, $5? Pissing your money away would motivate you to change cabinets after 40 minutes or so...restart syndrome wasn't as bad unless you had severe OCD, autism and lots of money to burn.

today there are a few autism bois grinding the same stage or 1 minute sections for hours and hours on emulators, then complain how insufferable the whole genre is... well no shit, get a life and stop playing like a robot

>>7877983
>You make the rules since you're the only person playing in most cases.
the most popular and prolific shmup company is Cave, and it has like 5 players in the West atm

>>7879382
ok I can't play more than 1 credit of shmups per day

Anyone have a good shmup to recommend for iPadOS? I’m going to be stuck on my iPad for a week but I’ll have my Xbox Wireless Controller with me. I don’t mind paying a one-off purchase price to play the game but Pay2Win shit can fuckoff. I’m a big fan of the genre but I’m a little rusty so while I’ll gladly accept a challenge I don’t want something that basically has 99% of your screen covered in enemy bullets (i.e. cave). Any input greatly appreciated fellow anons.

>>7877763
Have you tried with OpenTyrian or are you playing on DOSbox?

>>7879652
learn to use retroarch, learn to use it's latency reduction, and you'll have hundreds of good shmups instead of shitty iPad ports to deal with

>>7879386
the most popular shmups are touhou and they have a lot of players

>>7880251
we get it, shmups are dead, but i'm never playing touhou

>>7879654
DOSbox. Should I try OpenTyrian instead?

>>7877953
No video game genre is worth doing physical damage to your hands. Literally EVERYONE uses autofire.

>>7867750
I believe it's 999999
It's probably not possible under "competitive" Twin Galaxies type rules, but if you play with extends on you literally just spend infinite time on the first or second stage and get infinite lives killing tiny enemies while flying up. Not hard to do but just a waste of time.

Did pretty good for only 5 credits. I don't expect to ever be able to 1CC any Metal Slug game but I like to see how far I get

>>7877550
>>7880265
If only you faggots would move on from the threads like you have the games.

>>7880967
You can do it bro

I just 1cc'd Thunder Force 4 again, on Normal... too cowardly for Hard still

>>7880967
Vanilla 2 is really easy with some practice and X is shitty anyways.

>>7880686
Doesn’t hurt trying. I personally just use DOSbox but only because I’ve got a huge games library there already so I’m just more used to firing up DOSbox and then dir’ing to see what I have. OpenTyrian has been around for a while though and I’ve seen countless recommendations to use it since it does have fixes here and there.

Well it's progress. I did the first two stages no-miss but I lost a whole Credit to stage 3 so I guess I know which ones I need to practice

>>7854827
Total noob here. What's the best ship to try and 1cc DOJ?

For me it's a cheeky credit here and there whilst investing my disability cheques

>>7884169
A-Expert (the one that boosts both shot and laser)
B-Expert is ok too but it feels too slow in my opinion

>>7884229
Anywhere I can read up the basic strats? I could only find guides for chaining and advanced scoring.

>>7884268
Uh don't pick more than 1 hyper as it increases your rank. Rank is only active during hyper.

>>7884182
>taxpayer money goes toward's some dude's 2all
I can dig it

chav told you so.... again.

>>7884281
hyper laser lasts 1 second in daioujou?

>>7884389
Think of it like tax payers paying for them to get carpal tunnel, back pain, brain damage, perma loser status. I can dig that

>>7884792
Let's be real, your income comes from dole shares

>>7884169
Whichever you find most fun, they're all good for a 1cc

>>7884281
>Rank is only active during hyper
wrong

>>7884268
copy chaining routes as there are the best for survival anyway, doesnt matter if you break chains as you'll get the scores extends no matter what

>>7886380
You're right I was thinking of daifukkatsu and it's not true there either.

>>7883527
>Wake up
>Try to do a few more runs
>Struggle past stage 3, never get past stage 4
>Don't even reach halfway through 4
>Completely demotivated
Now I just don't want to play anything

>>7886872
Yeah we all have those days where we are suddenly worse for no reason and consider taking our own lives