/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7860652
Emulation is bad
JRPGs are good (unless they have highly customizable parties)

>>7860652
PS1 was popular

>>7860654
Multicasts looks like crap on any system. The colors are all effed up

So you're wrong there

>>7860665
Multicarts

>>7860658
Yeah, it wasn't at all.

Because PSX was. Zoom zoom.

>>7860652
>using an emulator and a keyboard is 100% the same as an original console and controller
>speedrunners are totes legit
>said feat is impossible because it takes hours

>>7860658

Retarded nigger.

>all modern games are bad

>Mario 64 revolutionized videogames
I haven't checked, I just don't believe it.

>>7860718
>>Mario 64 revolutionized videogames
>I haven't checked, I just don't believe it.
You don't have to believe it, anon, it'll remain a fact with or without you.

>>7860724
This. Don’t believe the PCfags that always try to bring up Quake. There was absolutely nothing even close to Mario 64 on computers when it came out in 1996.

>>7860681
>thinking emulators can't use controllers

>>7860732
The speedtrannys usually use keyboards (cheating).

>>7860652
>Shigeru Miyamoto hated DKC.
>N64 was a good console.
>6th Gen isn't retro.

i refuse to believe that anyone presented with equal access to playstation and nintendo 64 in a theoretical vacuum (i.e. having no knowledge of console wars, history, etc.) would ever claim the n64 had a better library and therefore would be the console you'd want to own if you had to choose

i was a spoiled idort up through 6th gen and didn't give a shit about console dick-swinging or whatever and it was just absurdly obvious to me how much more varied and artful the games were on playstation, even without counting the japanese libraries of either which would really bolster the playstation argument. the top ~3 or so games on n64 were in fact amazing, and may even have a slight edge on playstation's top 3 depending on my mood, but beyond that n64 had like 10 other games that were good to great at best while playstation had at least 30 and even some of the mediocre/bad games beyond that number were still bizarre and interesting somehow

>>7860737
take your meds

>>7860803
Stop cheating.
Und du wirst niemals eine Frau sein.

>>7860795
also something about playstation that is sometimes proffered as a negative somehow is that it's "all jrpgs, though." baseball statistician bill james once remarked that if you split stolen base king rickey henderson in two you'd have two hall of famers and this was amusingly proven right through some experimenting (sort of). i believe a similar thing is true of the playstation where you could split it into jrpg-playstation and everything-else-playstation and still come out with more bang for your buck on either unit vs. the n64. if not it'd at least be closer than you might think

>>7860679

>>7860795
for single player, PS1 absolutely, but I think N64 edges it out a bit in quality multiplayer offerings, especially if you move beyond 2 players.

>>7860795
How good the N64 was depended on how much you got out of the 4 player mp.
But yeah I remember the despair when you'd go to the video store every week and see 14 new titles for the psx and the n64 would have... Clayfighter 64? The fuck is this shit.

>>7860836
>>7860846
yeah, that's fair, for some reason i've always been the only person in my life (in-person or online) who enjoys actual car racers which were the meat of its multi, none of my friends would touch those on principle. it was like "taboo," same with nerds and sports where they kind of just hiss at the idea of ever watching one. i was the only one who could be in either camp, could watch embarrassing uguu anime game cutscenes and a baseball or hockey game in the same day

>>7860818
Are you a tranny speedrunner worried about other trannies "cheating" in 20+ year old single player games?
How do you even know what hardware speedrunners are using? I don't even think about speedrunning unless one of you mentions it, most people don't.
take your meds

>>7860857
PS1 multiplayer did well with fighting games as well, with several major games being on it. And outside the very specific Smash community I'd say many of these games are genre defining fighting games.
I, honestly, don't think the N64s games are that good though. I had it as a kid and remember playing and beating Mario 64 and not getting much out of it (all 3d Mario's have left me cold, until I played Galaxy and found it so boring that I just stopped with the series). OoT was a big thing I liked a lot at the time, but for whatever reason hasn't looked large in my memory since then.
MM I think is great, and is nearly as good as its most vocal fans say.
I think GoldenEye is sort of awful, as well as Mario Party, and Mario Kart. The latter is just a genre I dislike. Mario Party actually is bad and is one of those games people like because it gives them a thing to do with a group of people but is less interesting then just sitting and talking with that same group of people.

>>7860865
You don't pass and you can't win without cheats.

I've never really bought into a lot of the sales statistics thrown around because a lot of them come from the companies themselves and are probably skewed for marketing purposes.

I also don't tend to put much faith in the "X director was forced to make a sequel to (popular game) that he really didn't want to make" statements because I think

1. I'm sure they were just so depressed to be paid to make another video game for a living.
2. The tortured artist legend seems to easily run out out control with fans.

If they really, really didn't want to make it they could have just quit.

>>7860865
Stop cheating.

>>7860658
I guess your frontal lobe isn't very well developed. It sold very well, regardless of if you (or I) think it's good.

>>7860728
Correct, and there was also nothing like Quake on consoles when it first came out in 1996. They're both highly impressive games for their time, with a lot of good thought and design put into them, more importantly they're both very fun to play.

>>7860717
I just think AAA games have grown increasingly bland in the past 8 years. They weren't all so fantastic in 2013 either, but the homogenization is pretty stark these days. Good new games still come around, but they're quite far from the majority.

CRT good, LCD bad.

>>7860879
>If they really, really didn't want to make it they could have just quit.
Contractual obligations are a real thing. I don't know which instances that would be the case, but it certainly happens. I think also that for some it's the vain hope that direction will change and they'll get to develop something else.

>>7860775
>>Shigeru Miyamoto hated DKC.
This has never been verified, it's just something some faggot made up in an article.

>>7860887
They would still have the option to break the contract. It's not against the law.
In the case of Japanese developers I think in the past most of them were just hired employees and there were no contracts.

You'd have to be a fucking idiot to emulate console games with a keyboard, that shit is far from comfortable.

>>7860895
>You'd have to be a fucking champion to emulate console games with a keyboard, that shit is far from banned

They do it because it facilitates their cheating. Those lying cretins simply cannot perfectly wall jump Mario over and into walls at will with a real controller, which is why they insist on their keyboards with their emulator with their pre-loaded TAS that they mime to.

The problem with /vr/ is that people don't bitch and cry about "zoom zooms" hard enough to keep them out.

>>7860902
Many speedrunners use actual controllers and actual hardware. I don't know why you seem so hung up on them.

>>7860895
There are a great many people (mostly in developing countries) who grew up with emulation as their primary access to gaming, and they did not have a controller so they learned to use the keyboard. For them it is as natural as using a controller or arcade stick is to you.

>>7860775
>>6th Gen isn't retro.
"Retro" is a specific, objectively defined category of games and not just a prefix meaning "backward".

>>7860906
I was one of those kids, and using basically any gamepad is a billion times better.

2D > 3D and 6th gen isn't the best gen

I only had a NES throughout the 90s and nothing else until the 6th gen, and I was so fucking tired of 2D games. When I finally had an Xbox and PS2 I thought yes, this is what video games should be about. There is nothing in me that want to go back and play 2D games, absolutely nothing. Go ahead and cry or accuse me of being a zoomer, I don't even play any modern games.

>>7860904
>Many speedrunners use actual controllers and actual hardware
I'm obviously not talking about them. Feeling ok?
Most of these speedrunners-that are at the top-use keyboards.

God, why is this board full of the most needlessly argumentative anons?

>>7860883
Fair enough, although I’d still argue Super Mario 64 was more revolutionary from a gameplay standpoint. Quake’s gameplay was largely the same as id’s previous FPS releases but with a fully polygonal engine.

People under 24 are too young to have meaningful opinions on children's toys.

>>7860795
>anyone presented with equal access to playstation and nintendo 64
I got lucky as shit, in at least that regard. I had playstation, friend across the street had 64, friend next to him had saturn. We'd borrow consoles around and bring them over to each others' houses. We didn't give a shit about console wars, were too poor to play that game.

Playstation was the most played, by far. Most variety. Top-tier games were amazing and bottom-tier were at least laughably bad.
64 wasn't played much outside of Goldeneye (but there was a decent amount of goldeneye). Nintendo had better games on snes, we played more snes games, more often, than 64.
Saturn was almost never played. Even finding decent games with saturn's tiny library and shitty supply chain wasn't fun.

>>7860871
goldeneye is a game whose success always confused me. i admit that it's weirdly decent for a licensed game but i also had shit like quake and doom already and goldeneye just seemed pointless. sure, plug-and-play multiplayer was easier for a time but i went to a school rich enough where kids even had dumb shit like virtual boys, so access wasn't an issue and people still went for goldeneye. granted, we were 8 and quake/doom/possibly having to do LAN were more of a thing big with the previous generation of kids.

still, it wasn't like my classmates were standing around saying "oh, it's so convenient that we have a reasonable facsimile of the premier FPS experience on console," it was more like "our parents let us see a PG-13 movie and we feel badass, and the game is an extension of that." i hate to say this but most of the people going crazy for goldeneye weren't "gamers" per se, there was a fair number of jocks and the like, whereas if the kids who truly just loved the video game medium ever got together goldeneye would probably be like their 4th or 5th choice.

even if you allow that it filled a particular niche for a while, i think it very quickly became sort of obsolete, which is something i don't usually assert about games but with some genres it's a legit claim i think. i bring this up because people seem to think goldeneye had lasting appeal, like beyond the year 2000, which i find somewhat absurd

Games can age. It's can't be you whose tastes and opinions changed in a likely-random direction as you got older. That would mean that you were wrong at some point. Has to be the game.

>>7860652
"Dwayne you simply must visit my friend Jeffrey's island with me sometime."

"Why sure Bill."

>>7860928
GoldenEye’s variety of multiplayer modes were just straight up more fun than Quake’s standard deathmatch imo. Of course the downside was being restricted to local split-screen.

>>7860913
>why is this board full of the most needlessly argumentative anons?
Why is this board full of speedrunning-hating spergs who also seem to be super obsessed with speedrunning purity? (because gookmoot doesn't give a fuck what goes on as long as there are page hits)
>hates speedrunning
>worried about state of speedrunning
take your meds and pick one

If you dislike a game that someone else enjoys, it means that you have the superior intelligence to perceive its flaws when they don't. If someone else dislikes a game that you enjoy, they're just mad that they're no good at it and/or don't have the capacity to appreciate its depth.

>>7860939
>Why is this board full of speedrunning-hating
Because of two basic reasons:
Most speed running is cheating.
And:
It's not playing the game anymore when they "beat OoT" in 4 minutes because they mined the ROM with a tool for a TAS that they built.

>take your meds
Are you the janny? Is that why my posts are deleted and get warnings while you use /pol/ bait?

It'd be nice if the rules were used evenly.

>>7860942
Kek, the fact that you're so specific about it tells me that it makes you seethe. You need to get good.

Anyone claiming to struggle less than you at something is a schizoposter.

>>7860950
You need to get some taste and stop defending shit design.

>>7860954
go back to your interactive movies zoomie

>>7860927
yeah, to speak more globally, i think snes is the only console that can stand with playstation period; this kind of dual-love for those two consoles in particular seems somewhat rare, again almost taboo, like old-fashioned families confronted with an interracial marriage

ps2, which i think is still the most successful console ever and also has the most insane library by volume, is also sort of in the discussion just by sheer overload but the trade-off is that it has few must-owns, let alone transcendental games

The Marathon series had a deep and intricately crafted story, which the Marathon's Story website explores in 7 GB of mostly text.

>>7860925
Yes and no. I’ve seen plenty of threads where a clearly young person is just parroting what they’ve learned via youtubers or whatever. You can tell which posters actually lived through the 80s/90s as a fully cognizant person.

>>7860949
>my posts are deleted and get warnings while you use /pol/ bait?
probably because you're psychotic

>It's not playing the game anymore when they "beat OoT" in 4 minutes because they mined the ROM with a tool for a TAS that they built
who gives a shit?

>>7860956
>Dragon's Lair
>Night Trap
>not the epitome of shitty "interactive movies"

>>7860961
You've got problems, buddy, if you think someone mildly disagreeing with you is a psycho.
Please don't reply to me ever again, I dislike you, you're uncool.

>>7860959
>how do I know I can tell?
>I just told you, I can tell

>>7860969
https://www.camh.ca/en/health-info/mental-illness-and-addiction-index/antipsychotic-medication

Greg Kirkpatrick's story draft for Duality was never made public.

>>7860959
I think it's less an age thing and more the issue mentioned of people not playing games and just parroting opinions. I see some people speak as if it's a badge of honor that they don't actually play many games.

FPGAs are useless and shitting on them proves how cool and smart you are.

>>7860989
>FPGAs are useless and shitting on them proves how cool and smart you are.
^this one's true dough

Every worthwhile PC game can be run flawlessly either natively or on modern hardware.

>>7860989
but that one is true lmao

Throwing fits over people playing games wrong is vital to maintaining the board's quality.

>>7860978
unfortunately my experience working in pharmacy has shown me that these rarely improve things like interpersonal communication, i.e. they don't make you not an asshole, that has to be handled in the subjective realm. although some of them do effectively just seem to straightjacket people which is great for the people around them but probably hell on earth to live out every day

>>7860932
I would respond by saying worthwhile things aren't necessarily always timeless. game devs could push the boundry on something that with the hindsight of later iterations becomes invalidated.

If you like a game that you also liked on the past, it means that you're biased by nostalgia, and don't really like it as much as you think, or something.

Conversely, you can't feel nostalgia for or from a game or parts of a game you didn't play in childhood.

>>7860950
What he said is actually the opposite of specific.

The median age of posters here is above 24.

>>7861009 is me.

Positions on controversial questions eventually "settle" into a consensus, which can be determined "once and for all".

>>7861000
i actually agree with this somewhat, the problem is that people rarely engage in proper constructive elitism (or whatever you want to call it) and just cut to the conclusion. i think oftentimes these people started out giving more of a shit but after explaining their viewpoint on a particular topic in five or ten threads over the course of several years, they now eternally feel like they've "already explained it" even though new users are constantly flooding in. of course this issue is compounded by total anonymity so it can kind of feel like you are in fact talking to the same five people every day, but this does happen everywhere else too, the community mainstays just hang around for eternity as "pillars" but no longer have the drive to actually engage. this leads to curt dismissals or just "uh here read these guides/wiki we all threw together" and so the paradigm never shifts again, for better or worse

It's important to continue fighting fandom wars over decades-old games and systems. You can't just like what you like, or like both and feel like playing one or the other at a particular time. Everyone has to recognize which is objectively better, or they're irrational biased fanboys.

Kyle Katarn is a good character and not a generic Gary Stu player insert (which there's nothing wrong with if you're not personally invested in the integrity of the now defunct canon he was inserted into).

>>7861005
Weaker statement: "Games that age poorly" threads can provoke interesting discussion and aren't just for baiting by lazily disparaging popular things.

>>7861038
No, fuck off.

4x3 is the correct aspect ratio for VGA games.

First-person platforming doesn't work without true 3D perspective and 180° vertical look.

Screen looking is cheating.

Addictiveness is good.

Other people know the difference between opinions and facts, so I don't need to observe it myself.

People care what they "sound like".

"Soul" isn't an empty buzzword that's been run into the ground with overuse.

>>7860652
I really don't understand the intense autism about "cheating" in emulated games
People argue about that shit back-and-forth for hours as if it's something that actually matters

Wojakposting repels undesirables and contributes positively to board quality.

Shitmue is good and it's not a walking simulator

Using terms like "zoomer", "zoom zoom", or "zoomie" totally doesn't make you yourself look like an underage

Slow-paced games without constant action are inherently shit.

>>7861072
Also, "autistic" and "filtered".

Vague passive-aggressive mockery is a good way to communicate.

>>7860652
There's no facts in the commonly held belief that "if you use the rewind feature, use save states or cheats, you did not beat the game". But I disagree with that because the game itself also cheats, like how the CPU spams the same move against you in a fighting game and is near impossible to beat. So why not cheat back? Or how about if you played Wolverine Adamantium Rage, that game is impossible to beat without cheats. Cheats are necessary for games like that.

Also on an unrelated note, both The Rock and Bill Gates are pedophiles.

Tom Hall's Doom bible would make a terrible game.

>>7860795
>anyone presented with equal access to playstation and nintendo 64 in a theoretical vacuum (i.e. having no knowledge of console wars, history, etc.)

This was my experience.

N64 is WAY better than PS1. JRPGs are GARBAGE.

>>7860936
LOL I was going to say the same thing. He must know some shit,

>>7861049
>he doesn't use his 4th hand to feel his half of the braille crt while playing golden eye blindfolded like the developers intended

>>7860970
Maybe I didn’t word that right. My point is it’s very obvious which posters aren’t speaking from actual lived experience.

>>7861134
>N64 is WAY better than PS1
only if you are <10 years old or a man child

>>7860658
growing up I knew 6 other families with N64s and I knew exactly 1 with a Playstation.
we never went over to his house more than a few times because load times felt like pure cancer to us cartridge chads.

That piracy is okay.
Go ahead and emulate anything 6th gen and lower, but I don't like the piracy of modern games.

Nintendo 64 is a trash console with a trash library and nostalgia is the only reason anyone cares about it. I dont understand why the people who love it won't admit their love is because of nostalgia and has nothing to do with game quality.

>The Nintendo 64 games introduced smooth draw in effects for that generation.
>The Nintendo 64 introduced the fog effect in 3D games.
>Only the Nintendo 64 could do colored fog in 3D games.
>F-1 World Grand Prix (Jul/1998) on the N64 was the first game of its kind with a fully 3D cockpit view.
>The Nintendo 64 was the first console to come with four controller ports.
>The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nov/1998) on the N64 was the first game to have Z-Targeting.
>Doom 64 (Apr/1997) was the first console FPS to have colored lighting and multiple light sources per room.
>Turok: Dinosaur Hunter (Feb/1997) on the N64 was the first console FPS to have 3D weapons.
>Star Fox 64 (Apr/1997) was the first console game to have a rumble feature.
>GoldenEye 007 (Aug/1997) on the N64 was the first console game to have dual analog support.
>Mario Kart 64 (Dec/1996) invented the four player cross-style split-screen look that is the standard for 4-player split-screen games and it was one of the first 4-player split-screen console games.
>Conker's Bad Fur Day (Mar/2001) on the N64 showed the best real-time shadowing we got in that generation of consoles.
>GoldenEye 007 (Aug/1997) on the N64 introduced the sniper rifle in FPS games.
>Super Mario 64 (Jun/1996) was the first ever fully 3D platformer.

>>7861693
>Turok: Dinosaur Hunter (Feb/1997) was revolutionary because it had huge non-linear outdoor levels, while rendering everything in 3D polygons, including weapons and enemies.
>GoldenEye 007 (Aug/1997) had light and shadow effects never seen before.
>Super Smash Bros. (Jan/1999) created a new fighting subgenre.

>Only the N64 could pull off graphical effects such as motion-blur.
>Thanks to the use of cartridges, only the N64 racing games could have point to point races.
>The graphics of Star Wars: Episode I - Battle for Naboo (Dec/2000) on the N64 were unmatched, featuring particle effects and the longest draw distance in the entire gen.
>The Nintendo 64 was the first console to have an analog stick on its standard controller.
>Nintendo was the first company to push the use of analog controllers for home consoles by making analog pads the standard Nintendo 64 controllers.
>Wave Race 64 had water physics that no other console of that gen could produce.

>>7860718
correct, that was Goldeneye

games aging
QoL
CRT fetishm
composhit
retro and everyone's completley different defintion of it
N64 versions of games being better than PC or Dreamcast ones
remakes ever being good, or better

>>7861682
Ignore me, I'm a fucking idiot who though I was on /v/.

Euro home computers having any worthwhile games.

>>7860775
>>7860891
Miyamoto said in another that he was misquoted, HOWEVER I believe that this myth is probably true to some degree.
And the sole reason why I believe it to be true is the fact that among the Yoshi Island prototypes found with the famous gigaleak, a particular one was named Super Donkey.
What if Yoshi's Island was originally pitched as a Donkey Kong game?
Given the complexity of this prototype compared to the first DKC game, I wouldn't be surprised that Miyamoto was furious when it was rejected.
After all, 3D renders were a novelty at that time, and Nintendo didn't want to compete with its own brand.
I don't think Miyamoto was misquoted, I think he was generous enough to regret his initial opinion.

>>7860912
That doesn't mean 2D games are objectively bad just that your dopamine receptors were fried from playing too many of them.

The Saturn having worthwhile games.

>the mascot title was some bullshit with a jester flying through hoops
>the so-called Japan library was mostly a couple of fighting games, PS1 ports, and Virtua Fighter

Growing up I knew six other families with a PS1 and one with a N64. We never went over to his house because it was a console for 5-6 year olds with brightly colored Fisher Price-tier games while you yourself played Tomb Raider and Syphon Filter.

There's no good reason to pay for a game whose original creators aren't receiving royalties.

>>7861102
Add “schizo” to the list.

>>7860652
Any Metroid player was surprised by Samus being a girl.

In Metroid 1, nobody would independently think they got a reward for beating the game in a fast speed. Maybe they'd see a little pixelly shape that looks like a dude with a mullet in armor. If they did beat the game fast, it'd be because someone told them they'd see Samus as a girl; so they wouldn't be surprised by the revelation.

In Metroid 2, same thing, except that basically nobody played Metroid 2 without having played another Metroid beforehand or soon after.

In Super Metroid, Samus being a girl was all over promotional material and the game over screen.

In every game released afterwards, the internet was widespread.

>>7861693
>>7861697
You literally just listed the only worthwhile games on the N64. 13 in total.
Thanks for another quick fact.

>>7861809
>having nostalgia for something you enjoyed as a kid means your opinion doesn't count
>but my friends and I's childhood obsession with maturity was an objective metric of quality
I won't post the C. S. Lewis quote, or spin some bullshit about how setting your ego aside and letting yourself enjoy some bright colors and cheerfulness would be good for you. But I will make fun of you, and keep playing Doom 64 or Spyro the Dragon as I please because the 5th generation is all ported and emulated now and there's no reason to ever have to choose one system's library over another's.

>>7861851
Someone must have been the first. Unless the developers themselves leaked it, I guess.

Emulators through the 6th generation perfectly recreate a game's original functionality, or at least close enough for anyone not autistic (which anyone here isn't, and it's vitally important not to be).

Playing a game under emulation, even in the form of an official rerelease, and even FPGA hardware emulation, is wrong and must be stopped.

>>7860775
It's a commonly held belief that you are a faggot

Playing a single game obsessively until you've completely mastered it is good. Sampling a wide variety of games casually, maybe staying long enough to beat some on a moderate difficulty with liberal use of saving and guides, is bad.

>>7860652
>What are some /vr/ commonly held beliefs that you don't believe?
I see many Nincels saying that "Sonic 1/CD/Adventure 1 & 2" were bad games. Which I don't believe. They/them also say that the "Sega Saturn is shit" and that it had "no games", which I also don't believe because I've played many great games on it(mostly from Japan since I own a white Japanese Sega Saturn).

>>7860652
>emulation bad
>flashcart bad
>ODE/softmod bad
>expensive retro game consooming good
>6th gen not retro
>speedrun tranny good
>romhack bad
>save state bad

>>7861897
The Adventure games are great, clunky as SA1 can be, and there's more or less nothing else like them aside from Spark the Electric Jester 2, a game directly inspired by them from just two years ago.
It's unfortunate that e-celebs convinced zoomers to hate them and then even Sonic's PR bought into it.

>>7861645
I hope you're not saying that someone's opinion only counts if they lived through a game's original release era. Or if you are, you don't simultaneously believe that "nostalgia" makes your opinion not count.

>>7861852
>Everyone in this thread has read and understood the OP and grasps the thread's concept.

>Sega Genesis having "bad sound"
I loved Sega Genesis music and these opinions probably come from audiocucks who listened through TV speakers anyway.
>3D Sonic bad
No, you're bad. 2D is better though.
>2D Mario is better than 3D Mario
Mario 64 is far superior to every NES/SNES Mario game. Mario is better in 3D. Sunshine was mediocre though.
>CoD 4 isn't the best retro FPS
It is.

>>7860925
>>7861012
Just turned 25 last month. 1996 chads rise up!

>>7861921
I don't know about e-celebs, but I definitely picked up from >reviews and forum threads in the 2000s that the Adventure games sucked, and only weird autistic furries liked them. Something about how the new 3D gameplay model wasn't fun, and Sonic was better with a simple silent hero-versus-villain scenario and not a fully voiced furry-sci-fi epic with a bloated cast of Deviantart-tier characters. And something about a mandatory fishing minigame being the epitome of it all. Endlessly mocking "a...rough transition" doesn't make it not true.

I might still play them someday, being weird and autistic myself. But I'm not impatient to.

>>7861956
Mill mill, millennial.

Anything an "e-celeb" says is wrong.

All zoomers are underage, and all underage posters are zoomers.

>>7861304
>4th hand
Subtle.

Playing games on the devices they originally came on should be a last resort (e.g emulation issues).
Consumer CRTs were pieces of shit back in the day and I'm glad I'll never need to return back to them.
>>7860883
>I just think AAA games have grown increasingly bland in the past 8 years. They weren't all so fantastic in 2013 either, but the homogenization is pretty stark these days. Good new games still come around, but they're quite far from the majority.
Absolutely. Turns out time is a pretty great filter for sorting out the over-marketed trash from the greats.
>>7860895
Used to do that as a kid. Turns out you can go surprisingly far with it if you're willing to save/memorise genre-specific configs.

>>7860928
>Being a "gamer" who "truly loves the video game medium" is distinct from being someone who just enjoys some games; and gives your opinions more weight.
I didn't stand around saying it, but I was definitely thinking "wow, in-person first-person deathmatch is just as awesome as people online say". At least once I got over "why can't we be playing Jedi Knight instead?". Then I had a chance to try single-player and thought "wow, I'm a ruthless precise secret agent and I feel badass, and the music reinforces that". Never played far into it, but wouldn't mind doing it someday.

>>7861689
>Nostalgia has nothing to do with game quality
Nobody has nostalgia for Superman 64.

>>7861697
>>Thanks to the use of cartridges, only the N64 racing games could have point to point races.
What does this mean?

"Firsts" or a game being "revolutionary" or "revolutionizing" something matters.

>>7861029
Dark Forces is better than the OT. as far as I'm concerned Kyle Katarn is the main character of that entire universe. I don't fuck with any of the movies, or any of the rest of the games, books, comics or anything else. I haven't even played Dark Forces 2

>>7861710
What's "composhit", and what does it mean to not "believe" "QoL"?

>>7861029
>you're not only a badass smuggler but also a prophesied jedi
Explain to me why he isn't a gary stu.

>>7862059
The N64 is cartridge-based so it can live stream data. Ocarina of Time in particular exploits this for its huge open world. The PS1 could not do this, it was limited to games with basically linear levels.

Games should only be judged on "gameplay". Graphics, sound, music and story are just superficial distractions that a true gamer should ignore.

There are heterosexuals on this board.

>>7861902
>ODE
Optical drive emulation?

"Linearity", "railroading" and "scriptedness" are inherently bad.

>>7862098
There's good ways to do linear and non-linear maps, and there's really bad ways to do non-linear and linear maps. Half-Life is an example of good linear level design, Duke Nukem 3D is an example of good non-linear level design.

>>7862068
How do you feel about fan levels or ports?

>>7862106
There are also types of games and stories better suited to linear or nonlinear design.

>>7860871
Does N64 have things like Tekken, Soul Blade, KOF, etc.? Genuinely curious

>>7861932
No, of course you can still have an opinion on a game as long as you actually played it regardless of how old you are.

>>7861851
Samus being a woman was such a commonly known thing in pop culture basically as soon as the game was released that only a very very few people could have ever been surprised by it.

>>7862113
This is the closest thing the N64 had to Tekken but more close to SoulCalibur.
https://youtu.be/GVDOq7azPRQ

>Earthbound is a good game.

The 5th gen was actually a bit of a regression in game design because you go back to NES-style games with short, mostly linear levels while the 4th gen saw a move towards bigger, more open world games.

>>7862119
Good to hear. I won't stop having opinions based on secondhand knowledge of games, but at least your position is marginally defensible.

>>7862130
Sounds reasonable to me. What's your contention with it?

That Sega consoles were ever good.

I won't deny that there are some good games here and there, but that's the issue, there are only a handful of them a none of them go beyond "it's good, I guess". Nintendo kicked their asses with the NES and SNES, and then Sony came absolutely destroyed the Saturn and the Dreamcast (and the N64 and Gamecube for that matter). I believe that Genesis and Saturn fans are just blinded by nostalgia and fanboyism.

On that note, Sonic was never good and all the 2D entries are a pain to play. I still have to play the Adventure games tho.

>inb4 nintoddler or snoy
I only support the console with the most variety in that generation. I'm more of a PC guy anyway.

>>7861921
Exactly. So whenever I see Nincels spew garbage like this... >>7861983 ...I can definitely tell they got it from an e-celeb who loves Nintendo and hates Sega. Since many fat nerdy balding Nincels constantly point out to the "fandom" as "autistic furries". But in actuality, they just hate animal characters because they can't see themselves as the characters they're playing as(a fat white guy with a mustache). Hence why MovieBob dresses like Mario for Halloween.

Liking the wrong installments of a series makes you a mindless consoomer fanboy, while disliking the wrong ones makes you an autistic unpleasable fanboy.

>>7862171
t.Nincel who never got any babes like the Sega Chads did during the console wars.

True story because I'm a Sega Chad myself, I lost my virginity way before my best friend Chris(a black Nintendo nerd) did when we were teenagers. He hated that I was always dating hot chicks while the only chicks who even looked at him was a fat ugly one.

>>7860950
Please, read his post again. Did you really not notice the issue is double standards?

>>7860658
They were very popular with teenagers and adults when I was growing up. Everyone kid had N64 but the older kids all had PS1. I still just had an NES because my family was poor.

>>7862216
>Attributing detailed caricatured biographies to anyone who shares a differing perspective (not even a disagreement) improves the discourse and makes you look intelligent and over 18.

This site is categorically better than anything on Reddit, and everything bad on it comes from Reddit and needs to be driven off with more aggressive Wojak posting.

>>7861897
Anyone who says the Saturn had no games is just clueless.

I don't really know if this is a super commonly held belief but I've read it more than once and that's

>only richfags owned more than one system

Just not true at all. Buying used systems from yard sales and pawn shops was a thing, and in the bigger cities there were actual game stores. I knew a lot of people in the 90s who owned four or five different consoles at once, spanning console generations. And these people were not richfags. Some of them were very poor living in run-down trailers.

>>7860652

Being sexually attracted to anthropomorphic cartoon animals is comparably bad to being transgendered or transsexual.

>>7862216
What are the correct, non-e-celeb views of Animal Forest and Star Fox?

Hard good, easy bad.

A game's being popular or historically significant or influential are inadequate reasons to play, buy or wishlist it.

Fan communities are bad.

>>7862069
composite, and it's not so much not believing in Quality of Life (mods, updates) but rather the term and the idea that a lot of games are broken beyond repair (some are sure) but there are a lot of people who imediatly ask for mods for a game and people have this tendency to recommend mods that complelety alter the game.

>>7860881
stop thinking that playing vidya quickly is a useful skill, when TAS makers destroy any run you could ever do

>>7862362
Thanks for clarifying. Do people say it's better than component or something? Is it like "CRTs blur/obscure the pixels so you don't see the sharp edges and/or imagine more detail than there is"?

>>7862372
A man on a motorcycle could win every olympic footrace.

>>7862295
Indeed. It makes them come off as casuals who never explored the entire library of any game system.

>>7862345
The fans themselves who either like or dislike those games. If the majority loves the game, it's a good game and if they hate it, then it's a bad game. For example, while I never had a chance to play Animal Forest, I have however played Star Fox and I love it. My idea of a bad game is something like Wolverine Adamantium Rage, since it's poor designed and unbeatable since the only way to beat it, is with cheat codes. I have no idea what the majority thinks of Animal Forest, but I do know Star Fox was a very well loved game.

Games should be played at the highest possible challenge level, and in a form as close as possible to the original launch-day experience. But at the same time, framerate should be maximized and lag minimized, even though frame drops make a game harder and were part of the original experience for most people.

>>7862347
The problem I have is that games have focused so narrowly on difficulty that can be perceived as convenience or QOL issues. You can still get mobbed by hordes of bullet sponge aimbots but expecting you to use a compass, comprehend levels that aren't laid out like themepark tracks, follow ungamified directions, or use any sort of in universe immersive thinking has been deemed a bad practice by the industry. There's a middle ground between adventure game brute force autism and the modern objective marker wheel.

>>7862389
>Anyone has meaningfully explored the entire library of any significantly popular system.

Don't a game's fans like it by definition?

>>7862402
That I can believe.

This isn't that popular on /vr/ these days but the last generation and most advanced Sony PVM and BVM monitors don't really make a for a good display when it comes to retro games. They have such a high TVL count that individual pixels are turned into little razor sharp squares just like you'd get using a a 2x scale on a LCD monitor.
They also have super thick and defined scanlines like a crude scanline filter.

If you want a professional video monitor for your retro games you'd be far better off to get something with a TVL count below 600 made somewhere in the 80s through mid 90s.

>>7862390
Forgot to add: Input lag (in contrast to network lag) probably wasn't part of any pre-USB game's original experience, but it's still another way to make a game harder. Adapting to it is a skill.

>>7862383
Winning a footrace on foot demonstrates actual fitness and endurance and not just skill at footraces.

Normal paragraph spacing is "Reddit" and needs to be called out and repelled.

>>7860679
>pee a sex
Do you even know why it's called that? I was born in 1986 and I don't.

>>7862427
that one is clearly marked 'playstation 2', you can see it on the front

>>7862305
this, i grew up rich as fuck and i only had one console per generation, yknow why? rich people save their money and don't buy dumb shit

>Back in the day it was typical to do a blind playthrough

Between strategy guides, game magazines, game tv shows, telephone help lines, and word of mouth between players this was just not the case. If you were stuck in a particular game there was usually a resource to help you out.

Which also leads to
>video game magazines and strategy guides were only owned by rich kids
Also no. And even if you couldn't afford them you would be able to look through them at the news stand.
From what I have read over the years this was even the case in countries like Russia which had game magazines and television shows.

The internet was also around a lot earlier than it is given credit for in gaming. I recall going to a cinema to play Mortal Kombat II for the first time right around the time the game was released and there was a young man there with a notebook he had written every special move and fatality inside. I asked him how he got this information and he described something I now understand as a newsgroup posting.

>>7862434
I could see that. I also have heard stories from wealthy people that they simply were not allowed to have consoles growing up but a PC was okay because it was "educational".

>>7862295
Many of its best games were ports/multiplat.

>>7860679
Imagine if people called the original Xbox the Xbox X. Maybe that's what MS will call the next model.

>>7860658
*PS1 was popular in the 90s*

It's really more of a 2000s console. There were very few early adopters in 95-96. 97-98 it was more of a gaming enthusiasts system and you wouldn't have seen too many elementary aged kids with one. Just teens and college students and the odd adult.

99 was the breakout year following the amazing releases of 97-98, and the full casual market dominance followed in 2000 and 2001. While the PlayStation 2 was out the PlayStation 1 was still an incredibly, insanely popular system.
A similar process actually occurred with the PS2's popularity (and many other systems if you want to be broader with your history).

>>7862490
Many < all. Hyperbole only works when it's mutually understood.

>>7862490
clueless

>>7862340
They have to be drawn well is the problem.

>>7862496
OK, but you understand that the rest of us don’t take things that literally. For example when people say “x console has no games,” it’s simply because it’s easier than explaining “uh it does have [exact value of games] but here is the exact degree by which it is smaller/inferior to contemporary libraries as well as scaled statistical trends for contrast.”

>>7862524
Some people are more drawn to voices and personalities; or have more active/visual imaginations that can work from even fifth-generation models.

>>7862537
Then don't specifically pick arguments with people only saying that it had SOME good games.

>>7862546
All I did was bring up a fairly concrete point, don’t jump down my throat. You want me to go off about something else instead, like its exclusives being obvious rejected ideas from their last generation? No?

>>7862542
I find they don’t have either of those things either, usually. Fur being depraved in and of itself isn’t a thing, it’s just that the people creating these characters don’t have talent or taste, basically.

>>7862537
Well that's stupid.

>>7862589
When were Dragon Force, Shining Force 3/Wisdom, Story of Thor 2 or the Panzer Dragoon series rejected?

>>7862496
Immediately discarding ports and multi-plats is also a bad faith argument. In the era when the Saturn was being sold the 2d fighting game ports on on the Saturn were the best thing short of a supergun. And if you bought a Saturn for some exclusives you liked also having access to Resident Evil and SOTN was a big bonus.

>>7862598
>I find they don’t have either of those things either, usually. Fur being depraved in and of itself isn’t a thing
Then why *are* people people attracted to Sonic and Star Fox characters? Or are they not, and artists just draw porn of them because they're in popular games?

>>7862616
Point was: You want me to go off about something that’s my opinion like that? Obviously not. So you’re going to have to accept when someone wants to bring up an actual fact like its share of exclusives and not try to divert the conversation in a pissy manner.

>>7862618
It would be a bad faith argument if Saturn was the only console that “also had some games from other consoles, cool!” but that’s not a unique advantage.

>>7862623
So you're not trying to divert the conversation in a pissy manner from the actual fact that the Saturn had games? Doubt.

>>7862635
>but that’s not a unique advantage.
Right.
But it also goes back to "Saturn has no games" being a nonsense statement.

>>7862620
Because fur/anthro fans have literally no standards and not that broad of preferences either. They demand neither quality nor variety, and have no concept of things like subtlety or nuance.

>>7862647
If you ask me, bad faith is taking “no games” literally when we all know it doesn’t mean they shipped a console without an actual library.

>>7862652
"No games" is just a stupid thing to say.

>>7862640
Since we have gotten to the “no u” portion of the crumbling argument, I’m gonna tally m’self a victory for this one and find a different conversation.

>>7862648
Sure sounds like the stereotype of 3D Sonic games too.

>>7862656
Gg.

>>7862648
Sounds a lot like the stereotype of 3D Sonic game fans.

>>7862654
Good thing no one actually asserted it in this topic. At most I tried to explain to you all what people typically mean by it after one of you brought up the phrase first. If you all had an actual interest in understanding the other side of your debates, this would be meaningful information for you, but as it is you only seek to validate your own opinions.

>>7862652

>>7862674
>>7862678

>>7862678
I don’t feel misinterpreted, more like I’m speaking with people who are skirting around things they’re not prepared to confront.

>>7862685
That a particular long-retired system had a smaller library of exclusives than some others? What a shocking revelation. We need to spread the word as wide as possible.

>>7862696
If you all understand this then don’t act surprised when people disparage it, and more broadly just do a better job of seeing where other people are coming from, not assuming the worst, and being more sensitive to the flow of language/sentiment.

>>7862654
It's an even stupider thing to take literally. Every console has games. Who would argue against that?

>>7862713
>blah blah blah blah blah
"Saturn has no games" is still a stupid thing to say.

>>7862340
Nah, these are both incredibly disgusting.

>>7862494
>It's really more of a 2000s console.
No it wasn't by 99 the PSX sold 70million units
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/PlayStation-hardware-sales-units-1994-2001-Source-SCEE-2001-press-release_fig1_250889485

>>7862494
>>7860658

>>7862732
Next time read the entire post instead of the first sentence before replying.
"99 was the breakout year"
And it takes a little time for a system to really make a lot of memories and legacy.

>>7860658
I forgot that I made this post. Glad to see it got a huge reaction. Keep seething PS1 owners, you were the loner losers with no friends. Everyone had N64 and a full set of friends to use all the controller ports.

>>7860679
No real human being (meaning those with second amendment rights), ever called it that. It was the Playstation until the PS2 came out, when it became the PS1.

>>7860795
I too was a spoiled child. My parents offered to buy me a PS1 but I refused. Didn’t see the purpose in owning one. I had a loser older cousin who had one. He had all the so called legendary games you people always mention when worshipping the PS1’s library. They had no appeal if you weren't a loser loner or degenerate weeb. Money wasn’t the issue, because any poorfag could afford it. You couldn't pay me to eat shit

>>7862767

>>7862449
Literally me, didn't get my first console (a DS) till after years of begging for one

>>7862792
I've seen this too. Wealthy or eccentric families where a handheld managed to sneak through.

>>7862781
Thanks. BTW i still have my collection of 47 N64 games from my childhood. More games than I had for any other console (except maybe gameboy but i would give those to my poor friends after i beat them so i don’t know how many i had)

>>7860909
Except that's literally the definition of retro. It doesn't mean "between the 70's and 2005" although I agree that should be the era this board focuses on.

>>7860718
That's because it didn't. One video game cannot revolutionize all video games. It had no effect on Half-Life for example.

>>7860925
People who call video games children's toys are ironic gamers at best.

>>7862767
Here’s your reply.

>>7861990
>all underage posters are zoomers.
Unless there are <9 year olds on 4chan this is 100% true

>>7862381
Exactly, CRTs are only best used for systems that employ 240p, everything else should just be used on OLEDs or LEDS. And if you use a CRT you can get the most out of it through RGB, americans usually keep telling us how devs (3 Sega devs, all because of the shitty hardware) tried to use the faulty hardware to make certain transparency effects that only can be used with Composite and RF.

>>7861984
96 is the first zoomer year

Posters who accuse others of "herd mentality" or "secondhand opinions" are less guilty of the same.

Consuming onions products is harmful and/or shameful and makes you a consoomer cuck, in contrast to animal products, which make you a fit and virile man with refined tastes.

>>7862978
Incorrect. Stop trying to lump my people in with gen z.
The '95-'96 kids who finished high school in 2014 were the end of millennials.

For a successful game character to be worshipped by their allies and feared by their enemies is stupid audience pandering and not a logical consequence of their achievements.

>>7863004
I swear I knew about the Glycine max word filter; it just slipped my mind, because I'm dumb. Allium cepa is tasty too, though.

>>7862713
It sure sounds like you're complaining about being misunderstood when you insist in communicating in ten-year-old rage-comic memes.

>>7862835
>>7861934

The pride and accomplishment of mastering a difficult game is always worth the time and frustration it takes.

>>7863006
Correct, 95 and 96 were the last of the millennials.

>>7863030
That depends, is the game still fun? A game can frustrate you, yet also be very engaging and exciting.

>>7862946
I can believe 11-year-olds have visited.

>>7863042
True, but one can also be engaged by a game without really enjoying or being happy playing it.

Companies selling old games they have the rights to is "greedy" and wrong.

>>7863082
I have actually had that happen, now that I think about it.

"General" threads are cancer and nothing good comes from allowing them.

PC monitors in the '90s had an exact 4:3 aspect ratio, and that's what games of the time were designed for and look best at.

>>7863094
/vr/'s oldest generals have mostly been pretty good

>>7863110
Doom can be played in widescreen with the appropriate aspect ratio. Hell, it's not even cheating, because Doom had native support for using three screens at once for the extra wide field of view, so it's almost the same thing, only cleaner and on one screen.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Three_screen_mode

But yes, if your aspect ratio doesn't stretch pixels 20% taller, you're doing it wrong for Doom, Quake, and many other shooters of that time.

>>7863147
Only the repair and CRT generals but otherwise like he said nothing good comes from them, forcing discussion just doesn't work

>>7863094
Counterpoint: generals are functionally no different from normal threads considering most people prefer that discussion be organized and not have 5 threads for one game.

>>7862171
This man speaks the truth

>>7863327
Depends on if your general has new stuff to talk about, people still make lots of Doom, Duke, and Quake stuff, so there's always something new to talk about in the Doom threads, hell, people make their own content in there.

Generals go bad when there's no fresh subjects and nobody makes anything. Look at /ksg/ on /vg/, there can't possibly be anything about Katawa Shoujo which hasn't been talked about to death by this point, yet they keep their shambling zombie general around.

>>7863392
Kind of, but generals can also get circlejerky at times, especially when, again, there's nothing to talk about, so people talk about themselves.

>>7862974
Eh a lot of Genesis games made use of these effects. Some really old computers too
A lot of Americans take it to retarded levels tho

>>7863403
But what’s the cause? The word “general” existing? I think some game sub-communities just breed more idiocy than others. People say it happens to all online cultures, but I don’t buy that it’s all equal.

>>7863090
t. Nintendo employee

>>7863461
They have had generals, and when there was still stuff to talk about, they talked about it and they liked it, to a point you get some anonymous camraderie and it feels good. However, they grow attached, and then when there's nothing new to talk about anymore, they don't want to let go, instead of just bumping a thread void of any discussion, they start trying to socialize in other ways, and/or make awful shitposts just for bumping and getting people to reply.

Good generals are either those where there's never a shortage of new stuff to talk about, or they're only occasional. That said, this isn't set in stone, they can become cancer even if there's actually new stuff to talk about regularly, like /k/'s AR15 General. Never let tripfag circlejerks take hold, tripping should only ever be used when an individual's identity is necessary to know, which is VERY seldom.
Discord/IRC circlejerks can enable this horribly, because then you're giving identities to each other, and people will try to direct the subjects and course of generals by coordination anonymous posts. Further, the actual communication and socializing is supposed to be anonymous in the thread itself, thus having a regular chatroom with names ruins the entire point.

>>7863006
who the fuck came up with these completely arbitrary generation "dates"? how does someone born in 81 have anything in common with someone born in 96?

>>7863518
>who the fuck came up with these completely arbitrary generation "dates
marketing Jews

>>7861710
>CRT fetishm
I still remember the day I got a non-CRT tv. It blew my mind to have the images look so clear and crisp. I didn't care about "games not looking the way the devs intended".

>>7862678
literal victim blaming

>>7863638
Same. At first it was a bit weird, had to adjust the gamma and contrast a bit, and the angle, but it was actually kind of amazing to see the absolute clarity.

>>7863518
Protip: there is hardly a difference between millennials and gen z. The MySpace wave and the Tiktok wave are both foreign to boomers/X-ers. I think both generations share Instagram pretty well.
The only people who bother to distinguish between the two are 35-40yos who don't wanna be associated with 20-somethings, hence why people on this board spam "zoomer".

>>7863785
Forgot the last line of that post. There are technically two Gen Xers, three millennials, and one gen Z in that pic. But you'd be hard-pressed to find the differences between them.

>>7863785
Late Gen X up through mid Millennial is a more meaningfully distinct group I’ve always thought, especially as it pertains to video games.

>>7863785
>there is no difference between the last generation raised without constant internet access and the first generation raised with it

Bro its literally like hunter-gatherer vs farmers. Bitches are from different epochs

>>7863638
>>7863656
PS2 looks really bad when hooked up to an HD tv, you need to get special cords if you want it to look half-way decent.
>>7863785
Where I live, Zoomers are much more intelligent and willing to make controversial jokes than Millennials.

>>7863953
Zoomers are still children so they don’t have to worry about losing their jobs and careers from being cancelled. Millennials are 25 to 40 with real things to loose.

>>7863953
>special cords
nigga, all you need is a simple component cable which isn't even $10

>>7860916
In terms of influence a lot of games derived their engine from the basic principles quake laid out. Especially after it was open sourced. It influenced the popularity of 3D accelerators in PC.

>>7862767
>all this unnecessary self-wank
At least when Maddox does it, he's actually funny.

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in because I was a PS1/PS2 owner growing up and most of my other friends had Nintendo stuff. No doubt hanging out and playing multi-player games was always a fucking blast, but it really would've sucked to miss out on all those amazing games I got to play growing up. What the fuck 47 games did you have?? Pretty sure I've only played like 10 N64 games in my life despite how much time my friends and I would spend playing N64 games together.

>>7864834
>At least when Maddox does it, he's actually funny.
Boy, don't look up what he's been doing for the past couple of years, you'll be heartbroken.

>>7861886
Why? I don't see how either of them has any greater inherent value.

>>7863785
gen z are millennials 2.0 without the ground wire, the ground wire being the 90s which was fun and wholesome in comparison to now

>>7864834
I was wrong, I have 48. Well I lost the microphone for hey you pikachu so i guess it works out. I still don't understand why people think the N64 had no games, because even i am missing another 10 to 20 of the good ones

1. 007 - GoldenEye
2. Army Men - Sarge's Heroes
3. Army Men - Sarge's Heroes 2
4. Banjo-Kazooie
5. Banjo-Tooie
6. Bomberman 64
7. Castlevania
8. Conker's Bad Fur Day
9. Cruis'n USA
10. Diddy Kong Racing
11. Donkey Kong 64
12. Doom 64
13. Dr. Mario 64
14. Duke Nukem 64
15. Flying Dragon
16. F-Zero X
17. Gauntlet Legends
18. Gex 64 - Enter the Gecko
19. Glover
20. Goemon's Great Adventure
21. Harvest Moon 64
22. Hey You, Pikachu!
23. Jeopardy!
24. Jet Force Gemini
25. Kirby 64 - The Crystal Shards
26. The Legend of Zelda - Majora's Mask
27. The Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time
28. Mario Golf
29. Mario Kart 64
30. Mario Party
31. Mario Party 2
32. Mario Party 3
33. Mega Man 64
34. Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
35. Ogre Battle 64 - Person of Lordly Caliber
36. Paper Mario
37. Pilotwings 64
38. Pokemon Puzzle League
39. Pokemon Snap
40. Pokemon Stadium
41. Pokemon Stadium 2
42. Quake 64
43. Resident Evil 2
44. Star Fox 64
45. Super Mario 64
46. Super Smash Bros
47. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
48. Turok - Dinosaur Hunter

>>7865208
>Jeopardy
>Mario Golf
>Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Alright I think it's time for you to leave. You've had enough.

>>7865208
Shit I forgot Toy Story

>>7865213
Alex Trebec is dead you son of a bitch, don’t disrespect his N64 game

>>7865208
If you really think all of these are of notable quality, you have no discerning eye at all.

>>7865208
>has bomberman 64
>doesn't have the second attack
Yeah I'm thinking poorfag

The term millennial doesn't make sense. You weren't born at the dawn of the millenium in 81. How does the term include people from the 80s? It should obviously be exclusively for people born between 95-05, the actual window of the new millennium, and zoomed should be 06 and beyond.

My sister was born in 88 and never identified as a millennial, always called me that when I was born in 95. She called herself gen X.

>>7865521
>born 1988
>She called herself gen X.
Lol, she's very wrong. Nobody is more of a millennial than her.

>You weren't born at the dawn of the millennium in 81. How does the term include people from the 80s
It describes people who came of age at the beginning of the new millennium. The generation spans ~16 years which is pretty normal. Gen X spans the same amount of time.

>>7863785
There's a huge difference between being born in the early 80s and being gen Z. The world changed drastically between them.

>>7865556
>It describes people who came of age at the beginning of the new millennium
Thats not at all how I've ever heard it used. It's always been used to describe people born around the millenium, not people who were teenagers around the millenium. I've grown up my whole life called a millennial by all my teachers and adults in my life and only in the past four years have I ever heard anybody say that people from 81-89 are millennials. None of my older family members have ever called themselves millennials.

>>7865521
A while ago I read that gen Y was used to describe people born after gen X, but the term fell out of use for some reason and only millennial is used now.

>>7865683
Yeah I could have sworn Gen Y and Millennials were two different groups but they seem to have been conflated in recent memories. I don't consider 96-00 generation Z either but I guess thats the new definition. I guess I always imagined the generations having much narrower ranges, 80- feels way too wide to include in millennial while -96 feels way too wide to include in zoomers.

>>7865521
It's not about when you were born. It's when you "came of age".
So you're a millennial if you were a teenager somewhere in the 95-05 years.

>>7865521
Also your sister is completely wrong and she is not even close to being Gen X.
Denying being a Millennial is a very Millennial thing to do.

>>7865681
Well, you heard wrong. Welcome to the internet.

>>7866751
Yeah I realized that earlier, I meant Gen Y. You also already told me something I replied to in an earlier post.

>>7865224
A better way to respect him is with CD-quality audio samples, which can only be brought to you via the power of the Playstation

This is a commonly held fact which I consider to be a misconception.
People think that the first video mode in pinball is Terminator 2. But I think the game you play on the PAC MAZE in Mr and Mrs Pac-Man is pretty much a video mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vni87opwY_Q

>>7860652
>"Doom was designed to be played keyboard only, and using the mouse is cheating."
You still see retarded tryhards bring that up on occasion, when John Romero himself will tell you that you're wrong if you ask him about it.

I think it's because people think modern full mouselook, and not the locked down horizontal mouse turning which Doom (and Wolfenstein 3D) used.

>>7860658
Found the nintendrone

>>7860717
It's true. They're all very boring or want to be this big cinematic experience. HITMAN is probably the only series that still feels like it belongs.

>>7860652
emulators are good enough in most cases except for janky looking n64 emulators

>>7862414
based crtfag with the informative post

>>7869008
Second this. I had missed that post. If you're going for a very high TVL, you might as well use an LCD screen with your basic scanline filter/shader.

>>7860652
"master" system

>>7861956
>Mario 64 is far superior to every NES/SNES Mario game

>>7869165
Sorry man. I played Sonic first so 2D mario was always kinda boring

>>7860857
>nerds with sports
I don't like to watch sports because I'd rather be playing them, physically. I do wish I could watch the entire WWE Vince Mcmahon arc, can't find it anywhere.